Since Leach passed

[BuckyIsAB****]

Let?s go down the list

Keenum is so lazy he panic hires the yacht club and then panic hires Selmon. Selmon then hired his BFF and then his BFF hires his BFF and now we are all just a munch of BFFs going 2-10.

Im just gonna say this, Lebby is not it. He is not Moorhead level culture problems yet but he is not far off. Like within inches. Things really went down hill after the Tennessee game. He ain?t gonna fire his boys on staff just like Selmon ain?t gonna fire him.

If football is struggling, academics are struggling (someone who knows more than me will have to explain) then who is ultimately responsible?

[Activated Alpha]

Keenum, and he needs to be on the chopping block. He needs to be earning to keep his job right now

[bulldawg28]

Leach also was a lazy hire.

[Cooterpoot]

Let?s go down the list

Keenum is so lazy he panic hires the yacht club and then panic hires Selmon. Selmon then hired his BFF and then his BFF hires his BFF and now we are all just a munch of BFFs going 2-10.

Im just gonna say this, Lebby is not it. He is not Moorhead level culture problems yet but he is not far off. Like within inches. Things really went down hill after the Tennessee game. He ain?t gonna fire his boys on staff just like Selmon ain?t gonna fire him.

If football is struggling, academics are struggling (someone who knows more than me will have to explain) then who is ultimately responsible?

STFU and go slob on your boy @Washington

[BuckyIsAB****]

STFU

You can be mad, im not sure why, but show me where I lied

[Cooterpoot]

You can be mad, im not sure why, but show me where I lied

You got the part about Leach dying correct & that's about it. You're going to hang on to a dead man until you die. Maybe that mother17er shouldn't have destroyed the recruiting and left us with nothing. But we all knew it would happen.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Leach also was a lazy hire.

Ok

[BuckyIsAB****]

You got the part about Leach dying correct & that's about it. You're going to hang on to a dead man until you die. Maybe that mother17er shouldn't have destroyed the recruiting and left us with nothing. But we all knew it would happen.

No I want to hang on to winning a conference game or two and don?t really care how we do it. Unlike some of our folks whod rather be a cool swaggy showtime 2-10 while recruiting at the same level we are blaming leach for haha

[BuckyIsAB****]

Just because you don?t like it doesn?t make it false. And all of that is true from top to bottom. The only reason craver was suspended was because lebby literally had no choice because it finally became public knowledge how big of a problem craver had been

[DawgFromOxford]

Selmon then hired his BFF and then his BFF hires his BFF and now we are all just a munch of BFFs going 2-10

1. Does anyone actually know the relationship Selmon and Lebby had at OU or is this just the lazy cop out answer yall have for disliking the Lebby hire from the start? Sure they knew each other but I?ve yet to see anyone post a picture of them fishing on the weekends?

2. The majority of people were begging for a more explosive offense. Lebby proved he could do that and was thought of highly. Hiring HCs are a crapshoot. People were clamoring for Billy Napier and look how he?s doing. Look at Freeze in Auburn, BK isn?t exactly living up to expectations at LSU.

3. I don?t give a rip if Selmon/Lebby/whoever hires their best friend to do the job as long as they honestly believe they are the best person for that job. But I also expect them to cut weight if their ?BFF? can?t hold their own.

Not sure how to evaluate Selmon. Football year 1 was a dud but NIL seems to be moving in the right direction. Keenums a good dude but probably wouldn?t hurt to have some fresh blood at the top.

[BuckyIsAB****]

What explosive offense?? We railed on the defense all year long but what did our offense ever do? When it really mattered? The Georgia game was over a month ago and it was over at halftime. A staff with a future does not get destroyed by Toledo

[BuckyIsAB****]

As far as their relationship just because they are not at Ricks drinking a beer together does not mean they are not close. We make excuses for everything

[Pinto]

What explosive offense?? We railed on the defense all year long but what did our offense ever do? When it really mattered? The Georgia game was over a month ago and it was over at halftime. A staff with a future does not get destroyed by Toledo

Exactly. I mean imagine how bad it would have been with Will Rogers.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Exactly. I mean imagine how bad it would have been with Will Rogers.

Probably would have went 2-10. What was his record at WKU again? Damn I mean Washington who is 6-5 after replacing an entire staff and more starters than anyone in the country. I hate he had to miss all the drip and showtime we?ve had

[Coursesuper]

Let?s go down the list

Keenum is so lazy he panic hires the yacht club and then panic hires Selmon. Selmon then hired his BFF and then his BFF hires his BFF and now we are all just a munch of BFFs going 2-10.

Im just gonna say this, Lebby is not it. He is not Moorhead level culture problems yet but he is not far off. Like within inches. Things really went down hill after the Tennessee game. He ain?t gonna fire his boys on staff just like Selmon ain?t gonna fire him.

If football is struggling, academics are struggling (someone who knows more than me will have to explain) then who is ultimately responsible?

This post is some extremely low quality horse shit. What a troll you have become and all over your fragile ego and a kid. Throwing rocks at the easy targets. Im sure you?re just backing up that bunch of 17ers who put us in this situation in the first place.

[Pinto]

Probably would have went 2-10. What was his record at WKU again? Damn I mean Washington who is 6-5 after replacing an entire staff and more starters than anyone in the country. I hate he had to miss all the drip and showtime we?ve had

Oh yeah he did go to Washington. Imagine what their record would have been if they had benched him earlier. Easily 10 wins. Can?t believe it took the coaches that long to make that call.

[Really Clark?]

1. Does anyone actually know the relationship Selmon and Lebby had at OU or is this just the lazy cop out answer yall have for disliking the Lebby hire from the start? Sure they knew each other but I?ve yet to see anyone post a picture of them fishing on the weekends?

2. The majority of people were begging for a more explosive offense. Lebby proved he could do that and was thought of highly. Hiring HCs are a crapshoot. People were clamoring for Billy Napier and look how he?s doing. Look at Freeze in Auburn, BK isn?t exactly living up to expectations at LSU.

3. I don?t give a rip if Selmon/Lebby/whoever hires their best friend to do the job as long as they honestly believe they are the best person for that job. But I also expect them to cut weight if their ?BFF? can?t hold their own.

Not sure how to evaluate Selmon. Football year 1 was a dud but NIL seems to be moving in the right direction. Keenums a good dude but probably wouldn?t hurt to have some fresh blood at the top.

Your first question, It's a lazy cop out answer. They were not best friends, football colleagues who were friendly. That was all they were. Beamer and Selmon are actual friends.

[Really Clark?]

What explosive offense?? We railed on the defense all year long but what did our offense ever do? When it really mattered? The Georgia game was over a month ago and it was over at halftime. A staff with a future does not get destroyed by Toledo

We averaged a little more in conference per game than Leach did his first year and up nearly 9 points over last season. And you damn well know it was more explosive offensively, we could not score nearly as points as was on the table...with a true Freshman at QB most of the year.

[BankerDog]

Your first question, It's a lazy cop out answer. They were not best friends, football colleagues who were friendly. That was all they were. Beamer and Selmon are actual friends.

THANK YOU! Selmon and Beamer were in each other?s wedding correct?

[BuckyIsAB****]

All I hear is still hating on a kid that is GONE and a coach that DIED. And nothing of any substance that denies we are where we are because of Keenum and laziness and buddy ball. Some of y?all know some things, and you know what I know you just are mad that I supported Leach. Lebby is not it and I will be pleasantly surprised if he is it. You don?t fix culture problems you either demand it or you dont. And so far by all accounts he has not. As bad as the yacht club was and they are a huge reason we are 2-10? we won a SEC game

[BuckyIsAB****]

We averaged a little more in conference per game than Leach did his first year and up nearly 9 points over last season. And you damn well know it was more explosive offensively, we could not score nearly as points as was on the table...with a true Freshman at QB most of the year.

We scored more points than a covid year offense and a broken lying staff did? Yay

[BuckyIsAB****]

This post is some extremely low quality horse shit. What a troll you have become and all over your fragile ego and a kid. Throwing rocks at the easy targets. Im sure you?re just backing up that bunch of 17ers who put us in this situation in the first place.

Those bunch of Fers are the president of our school and the rest of them just got fired or ran out of coaching again

[Coursesuper]

Those bunch of Fers are the president of our school and the rest of them just got fired or ran out of coaching again
You know better than that. If not then you are not as informed as I thought you were. You know who they are. It?s shitty politics, so missippiy of us to cut our own throat.

[memsu06]

I don't care what offense system we run because we've tried it all and they all fall flat on their face at MSU. Our best teams had no quit and played hard. Get the lines fixed and whatever offense or defense we run will benefit from it. There were way too many mental mistakes on both sides for it to be lack of talent issues.

[Op4isabitch]

This team will improve drastically with good linemen on both sides. It?s Really all we need to be a good team.

[DEDawg]

All I hear is still hating on a kid that is GONE and a coach that DIED. And nothing of any substance that denies we are where we are because of Keenum and laziness and buddy ball. Some of y?all know some things, and you know what I know you just are mad that I supported Leach. Lebby is not it and I will be pleasantly surprised if he is it. You don?t fix culture problems you either demand it or you dont. And so far by all accounts he has not. As bad as the yacht club was and they are a huge reason we are 2-10? we won a SEC game

how are you gonna start a low quality shit post thread and then get mad when people call it out lol

[Really Clark?]

You know better than that. If not then you are not as informed as I thought you were. You know who they are. It?s shitty politics, so missippiy of us to cut our own throat.

You know the answer to where his information / talking points comes from.

[Extendedcab]

Why are we rehashing or should I say beating a dead horse - literally? This has to be the 100th and counting thread bashing Leach and Arnett and now Lebby. We get it, now let's think ahead, make corrections and move on!

[Cooterpoot]

Why are we rehashing or should I say beating a dead horse - literally? This has to be the 100th and counting thread bashing Leach and Arnett and now Lebby. We get it, now let's think ahead, make corrections and move on!

Because it's what the OP does on all the boards. Whines about Leach and baby boy Will

[MBDawg601]

Leach destroyed recruiting? His classed were right there with Mulle ns.

Please stop spreading lies to meet your agenda. We get it, most didn't like Leach, but he brought in good enough talent to compete and his classes were in line with our recruiting historically. We are in a bad place because of what has transpired since his passing. Hiring nobodies expecting them to be something they're not.

[Really Clark?]

Leach destroyed recruiting? His classed were right there with Mulle ns.

Please stop spreading lies to meet your agenda. We get it, most didn't like Leach, but he brought in good enough talent to compete and his classes were in line with our recruiting historically. We are in a bad place because of what has transpired since his passing. Hiring nobodies expecting them to be something they're not.

Go back and look at those last few classes under Leach and circle all of those contributors. Especially on defense and tell me it was equal to Mullen's recruiting. Not to mention Leach thought Emerick was good to have around in recruiting. Leach ran a good program, don't mistake me thinking he didn't, but recruiting was not his strong suit.

[DEDawg]

Leach destroyed recruiting? His classed were right there with Mulle ns.

Please stop spreading lies to meet your agenda. We get it, most didn't like Leach, but he brought in good enough talent to compete and his classes were in line with our recruiting historically. We are in a bad place because of what has transpired since his passing. Hiring nobodies expecting them to be something they're not.

Dude go look at the actual players and names. Dont just focus on some number 247 tells you. How many contributed this year? Leach screwed us with recruiting misses

[BuckyIsAB****]

how are you gonna start a low quality shit post thread and then get mad when people call it out lol

Im past being mad. I just have apathy like so many others and im not going to lie or sugar coat where we are or why. 34 is definitely right about one thing, NIL killed MSU football I just don?t think our people are slimy enough or dumb enough to get pissed on and believe it?s rain. But some of ours do, maybe it?s you if you believe the company line and wanna blame a dead man 2 years after he?s gone for losing to Toledo

[BuckyIsAB****]

Because it's what the OP does on all the boards. Whines about Leach and baby boy Will

On all the boards? This is the only one I read or have an account on. Im just not gonna lie. Keenum needs to go, Lebby is not ready and Selmon has done absolutely nothing visually to inspire any confidence. He has had multiple chances to do what needed to be done and he kept Lemonis and hired his best buddy to keep ruining a tough football program and make it a flashy frat boy party.

Im glad we had some anonymous donors to give some money so Lebby can decide what to do with it haha

[Really Clark?]

On all the boards? This is the only one I read or have an account on. Im just not gonna lie. Keenum needs to go, Lebby is not ready and Selmon has done absolutely nothing visually to inspire any confidence. He has had multiple chances to do what needed to be done and he kept Lemonis and hired his best buddy to keep ruining a tough football program and make it a flashy frat boy party.

Im glad we had some anonymous donors to give some money so Lebby can decide what to do with it haha

They are not best buddies and were not when Selmon hired him. Thats just a message board talking point. Beamer is Selmon's best friend, Lebby was just a friendly acquaintance in the football department at OK.

[CaptainObvious]

State is successful when they have Top 30 Defenses. Leach was able to overcome some of that with a ball control passing offense. Which most of our fans hated because it wasn't explosive.

[BuckyIsAB****]

They are not best buddies and were not when Selmon hired him. Thats just a message board talking point. Beamer is Selmon's best friend, Lebby was just a friendly acquaintance in the football department at OK.

Right. Im sure they had to learn each others names at the interview. To act like there is not a problem here and there is no favoritism, nepotism, buddy ball going on at MSU since Leach passed is just sticking your head in the sand

[BuckyIsAB****]

State is successful when they have Top 30 Defenses. Leach was able to overcome some of that with a ball control passing offense. Which most of our fans hated because it wasn't explosive.
It sure did suck going to Tampa that one time. Tampa to the Toilet

[MBDawg601]

Dude go look at the actual players and names. Dont just focus on some number 247 tells you. How many contributed this year? Leach screwed us with recruiting misses

Any contributors or decent talent would have transferred out of this shit show if they had half a brain.

That is why there are none.

[Really Clark?]

Right. Im sure they had to learn each others names at the interview. To act like there is not a problem here and there is no favoritism, nepotism, buddy ball going on at MSU since Leach passed is just sticking your head in the sand

Hyperbole. You said best buddy and that's not close to true between Selmon and Lebby. Friendly acquaintances at best.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Hyperbole. You said best buddy and that's not close to true between Selmon and Lebby. Friendly acquaintances at best.

Ok. At the very least they are former friendly acquaintances that knew each other coming in and that played in Lebbys favor to get and keep his job. Maybe that?s enough sugar and sunshine

[DEDawg]

Any contributors or decent talent would have transferred out of this shit show if they had half a brain.

That is why there are none.

Your argument back to me is a hypothetical. Im literally telling you, go look at those names in those classes. Nobody Leach recruited us is helping in 2024. Do you know how hard it is to be successful when you get nothing for 3 years out of recruiting? Then MSU did the most good ole boy thing imaginable and hired Arnette which was the final nail in the coffin. It will take 3 years if we do it right to get back to 2010-2020 standards. Let?s hope only 2 more years left.

[Coursesuper]

Your argument back to me is a hypothetical. Im literally telling you, go look at those names in those classes. Nobody Leach recruited us is helping in 2024. Do you know how hard it is to be successful when you get nothing for 3 years out of recruiting? Then MSU did the most good ole boy thing imaginable and hired Arnette which was the final nail in the coffin. It will take 3 years if we do it right to get back to 2010-2020 standards. Let?s hope only 2 more years left.

Yep, that true. It?s a hard sale with this fire them all bunch. They are all pitch forks and torches, and don?t realize that part of why we suck.

[BankerDog]

Right. Im sure they had to learn each others names at the interview. To act like there is not a problem here and there is no favoritism, nepotism, buddy ball going on at MSU since Leach passed is just sticking your head in the sand

You continue to show you know nothing as to how this works. Since NIL killed State?can you ask Will to donate that $300K he got from us back? Or tell Nowell, Robinson, and Ashley in next years class at Brandon to not take NIL money from any school because ?that?s not the way?.

[BankerDog]

On all the boards? This is the only one I read or have an account on. Im just not gonna lie. Keenum needs to go, Lebby is not ready and Selmon has done absolutely nothing visually to inspire any confidence. He has had multiple chances to do what needed to be done and he kept Lemonis and hired his best buddy to keep ruining a tough football program and make it a flashy frat boy party.

Im glad we had some anonymous donors to give some money so Lebby can decide what to do with it haha

You do realize not everyone in the fan base duck hunts, quail hunts, deer hunts, nor fish all the time correct? Some people do wear things different than boots and Wranglers and I can guarantee that there are more big money donor fitting into what I?m talking about than what you perceive as ?one of us? Remember you were suckin Arnett because ?he wore boots and was redneck like me from Rankin County?.

[BankerDog]

Ok. At the very least they are former friendly acquaintances that knew each other coming in and that played in Lebbys favor to get and keep his job. Maybe that?s enough sugar and sunshine

Again-not how it works.

[BuckyIsAB****]

You continue to show you know nothing as to how this works. Since NIL killed State?can you ask Will to donate that $300K he got from us back? Or tell Nowell, Robinson, and Ashley in next years class at Brandon to not take NIL money from any school because ?that?s not the way?.

Will gave a bunch of it to bookie and tulu so they could stay while y?all ran him and his family down because he wouldn?t throw the ball deep enough. Im not even gonna begin to comment on the rest of that

[MBDawg601]

Your argument back to me is a hypothetical. Im literally telling you, go look at those names in those classes. Nobody Leach recruited us is helping in 2024. Do you know how hard it is to be successful when you get nothing for 3 years out of recruiting? Then MSU did the most good ole boy thing imaginable and hired Arnette which was the final nail in the coffin. It will take 3 years if we do it right to get back to 2010-2020 standards. Let?s hope only 2 more years left.

I get your argument, but the liklihood of anyone Leach recruited with any talent or ability to contribute would have left by now, is pretty high considering it's 2 coaches later.

Leach had some guys that contributed a hell of a lot more than ANYONE on this year's team through his few years with us. Including noodle arm WR. Leach averaged in the 25-28 range. Sure it's just numbers beside names, but those numbers are placed there by guys that do this shit for a living. It's not a random number and it does hold some value.

[BuckyIsAB****]

You do realize not everyone in the fan base duck hunts, quail hunts, deer hunts, nor fish all the time correct? Some people do wear things different than boots and Wranglers and I can guarantee that there are more big money donor fitting into what I?m talking about than what you perceive as ?one of us? Remember you were suckin Arnett because ?he wore boots and was redneck like me from Rankin County?.

He sure did fool all of us after he let the wrong crowd call the shots. As far as the rest of that im not even sure how it is relevant to what I said at all. I?m just glad there is someone with more money than me to throw at this bunch we have running the show now

[DEDawg]

the liklihood of anyone Leach recruited with any talent or ability to contribute would have left by now, is pretty high considering it's 2 coaches later.

It was 24 months ago that Leach died. I was told by everyone that Arnette was the right hire to keep that recruiting class together that was so important. Okay so those guys should have been 12 months in the program and ready to contribute this season in Aug 2024. Where are they?

To make my stance clear, I really liked Leach here but it?s just sticking your head in sand to pretend he didnt severely hurt our program for the next guy. Obviously not his fault, we all thought we had more time and rest in peace coach, but unfortunately life is not fair and that is what happened and it screwed us.

Then we doubled down by making the dumbest hire Ive ever seen a college team make in Arnette. We should have bit the bullet and done what we did this season last year. We added an extra year of misery that wasnt needed by promoting the most unqualified P5 HC coach in 2023 and trying to piece together some hybrid air raid bullshit. I get so mad just thinking about how dumb of a decision that was to ever hire him.

[SPMT]

It was 24 months ago that Leach died. I was told by everyone that Arnette was the right hire to keep that recruiting class together that was so important. Okay so those guys should have been 12 months in the program and ready to contribute this season in Aug 2024. Where are they?

To make my stance clear, I really liked Leach here but it?s just sticking your head in sand to pretend he didnt severely hurt our program for the next guy. Obviously not his fault, we all thought we had more time and rest in peace coach, but unfortunately life is not fair and that is what happened and it screwed us.

Then we doubled down by making the dumbest hire Ive ever seen a college team make in Arnette. We should have bit the bullet and done what we did this season last year. We added an extra year of misery that wasnt needed by promoting the most unqualified P5 HC coach in 2023 and trying to piece together some hybrid air raid bullshit. I get so mad just thinking about how dumb of a decision that was to ever hire him.

Man. Hiring Arnett was dumb as hell.

It was obvious after 1-2 games.

[DEDawg]

Man. Hiring Arnett was dumb as hell.

It was obvious after 1-2 games.

Amen

[Gypsy_RoadDawg]

Go back and look at those last few classes under Leach and circle all of those contributors. Especially on defense and tell me it was equal to Mullen's recruiting. Not to mention Leach thought Emerick was good to have around in recruiting. Leach ran a good program, don't mistake me thinking he didn't, but recruiting was not his strong suit.

Leach gave us the national attention that we had since the days of JWS. He was good for MSU in that respect. Leach had us respectable (in most cases) and was building something. Unfortunately, he was unable to complete what he started.

[Jarius]

No I want to hang on to winning a conference game or two and don?t really care how we do it. Unlike some of our folks whod rather be a cool swaggy showtime 2-10 while recruiting at the same level we are blaming leach for haha

Leach is 100 % to blame for our lack of defensive talent right now. I wasn’t aware that was even a debate.

[Jarius]

What explosive offense?? We railed on the defense all year long but what did our offense ever do? When it really mattered? The Georgia game was over a month ago and it was over at halftime. A staff with a future does not get destroyed by Toledo

We were having to play a true freshman quarterback against the toughest schedule in the country. The decision to go get an injury prone quarterback was the problem and that falls on Lebby, but it is pretty obvious that the offense is not going to be an issue with Lebby.

[Jarius]

Probably would have went 2-10. What was his record at WKU again? Damn I mean Washington who is 6-5 after replacing an entire staff and more starters than anyone in the country. I hate he had to miss all the drip and showtime we?ve had

He was awful all year and got benched the last 2 games. Just like we said he would.

[Jarius]

Any contributors or decent talent would have transferred out of this shit show if they had half a brain.

That is why there are none.

We lost 1 SEC level defensive player in the portal. Look at where they all went when they transferred out. Dave Emerick destroyed our recruiting. Particularly on defense.

[Jarius]

I get your argument, but the liklihood of anyone Leach recruited with any talent or ability to contribute would have left by now, is pretty high considering it's 2 coaches later.

Leach had some guys that contributed a hell of a lot more than ANYONE on this year's team through his few years with us. Including noodle arm WR. Leach averaged in the 25-28 range. Sure it's just numbers beside names, but those numbers are placed there by guys that do this shit for a living. It's not a random number and it does hold some value.

Leach died after signing day of 2022. There has been 1 recruiting cycle signing day since his death. These are his players and the defensive ones are almost all awful. That is not debatable. In this day and age, it will not be an excuse after this portal cycle though. If Lebby can’t flip the roster on defense in this portal cycle it is 100% on his staff.

[Coursesuper]

We lost 1 SEC level defensive player in the portal. Look at where they all went when they transferred out. Dave Emerick destroyed our recruiting. Particularly on defense.

Between him and the CC staff they burned damn near every bridge in the state and elsewhere. This staff is having to dig out from under that.

[DEDawg]

What explosive offense?? We railed on the defense all year long but what did our offense ever do? When it really mattered? The Georgia game was over a month ago and it was over at halftime. A staff with a future does not get destroyed by Toledo

Saw this tweet this morning https://x.com/langloismsu/status/1863038596417982717?s=46&t=ID24LbHaAiOwVOmMGHXcTA

[DEDawg]

Leach is 100 % to blame for our lack of defensive talent right now. I wasn’t aware that was even a debate.

I don?t understand how people can even think otherwise. They act like Leach left us 5 years ago, 2024 class should all be sophomores from leach?s last recruiting cycle starting to contribute. Where are those guys if the argument is this isn?t Leach and his staffs fault? Agree with you, this isnt even a debate

[MBDawg601]

I don?t understand how people can even think otherwise. They act like Leach left us 5 years ago, 2024 class should all be sophomores from leach?s last recruiting cycle starting to contribute. Where are those guys if the argument is this isn?t Leach and his staffs fault? Agree with you, this isnt even a debate



You make no sense. How do we go from 41 last year in total defense to 127 this year? Anyone that Leach recruited is no longer here. They have transferred. Are you that dim? The entire team this year was practically from the transfer portal. Not because the guys Leach recruited are still on the team. People have to exit in order for us to have room on the roster.

Good lord brother.

[MBDawg601]

We lost 1 SEC level defensive player in the portal. Look at where they all went when they transferred out. Dave Emerick destroyed our recruiting. Particularly on defense.

We lost multiple defensive players to the portal since 2022. You obviously no jack all about building a roster. You think that because a player does not transfer to an SEC school - they are not SEC caliber. That has zero logic, because majority of our transfers that started for us this year did NOT come from an SEC school.

[Jarius]

We lost multiple defensive players to the portal since 2022. You obviously no jack all about building a roster. You think that because a player does not transfer to an SEC school - they are not SEC caliber. That has zero logic, because majority of our transfers that started for us this year did NOT come from an SEC school.

Son, they transferred to G5 programs after leaving us because they knew they were not good enough to play in the SEC. We processed them because they were not any good. It happens at every program in the country. Are you really this clueless? You think all the ones that left us and went to USM level schools turned down better options to do so? Please stop embarrassing yourself. Let me break this down Barney style for you. If a player transfers from a power 4 school to a G5 school it is because they are not good enough to play. Every single one of our Leach defensive transfers except 1 fit this mold. If you are a G5 player and transfer up to a p4 school it is because you excelled in the G5 and want to get an NiL check and more exposure. We had 1 player leave us for a better opportunity on defense. That is why we are where we are defensively.

[MBDawg601]

Son, they transferred to G5 programs after leaving us because they knew they were not good enough to play in the SEC. We processed them because they were not any good. It happens at every program in the country. Are you really this clueless? You think all the ones that left us and went to USM level schools turned down better options to do so? Please stop embarrassing yourself. Let me break this down Barney style for you. If a player transfers from a power 4 school to a G5 school it is because they are not good enough to play. Every single one of our Leach defensive transfers except 1 fit this mold. If you are a G5 player and transfer up to a p4 school it is because you excelled in the G5 and want to get an NiL check and more exposure. We had 1 player leave us for a better opportunity on defense. That is why we are where we are defensively.

Keep blaming a dead guy for the shit show we have.

The guy that had the last winning season for State for the foreseeable future.

The guys we brought in from the portal got ran out of Starkville by a G5 school, my guy.

[Jarius]

Keep blaming a dead guy for the shit show we have.

The guy that had the last winning season for State for the foreseeable future.

The guys we brought in from the portal got ran out of Starkville by a G5 school, my guy.


The entire reason we had to bring in guys from the portal was because the dead guy recruited like a*s on the defensive side of the ball, moron. There were 3 Leach recruiting classes on this roster, 1 Arnett recruiting class, and 1 Lebby spring portal class. You not being able to do math isn’t my fault.

[MBDawg601]

The entire reason we had to bring in guys from the portal was because the dead guy recruited like a*s on the defensive side of the ball, moron.

That got us pretty far, didn't it. This argument is stupid. You are obviously simple minded and have no clue about modern day football.

Coach dies, players leave. Hire a shit coach and fire him after one year, players leave. Hire a 1st year HC that goes 2-10. Players leave. They have/had no reason to stay. Likely bottom feeders left on the roster from when Leach was alive. You're an idiot if you think otherwise.

[Jarius]

That got us pretty far, didn't it. This argument is stupid. You are obviously simple minded and have no clue about modern day football.

Coach dies, players leave. Hire a shit coach and fire him after one year, players leave. Hire a 1st year HC that goes 2-10. Players leave. They have/had no reason to stay. Likely bottom feeders left on the roster from when Leach was alive. You're an idiot if you think otherwise.

Hey dumba*ss, the players that left after Leach died and Arnett left went to sh*tty programs at a lower level because they were sh*tty football players. No one left for a better opportunity. That means his recruiting was not good. You are too stupid to have a conversation with.

[DEDawg]

You make no sense. How do we go from 41 last year in total defense to 127 this year? Anyone that Leach recruited is no longer here. They have transferred. Are you that dim? The entire team this year was practically from the transfer portal. Not because the guys Leach recruited are still on the team. People have to exit in order for us to have room on the roster.

Good lord brother.

You cannot be this dense, you have to be trolling. If all these Leach defensive players transferred to G5 schools and half of them can?t even get on the field there, what does that tell you? Why do you think we HAD TO GO FULL PORTAL ON D THIS YEAR? Im not following what part you can?t understand. You are just proving my point more

[MBDawg601]

You cannot be this dense, you have to be trolling. If all these Leach defensive players transferred to G5 schools and half of them can?t even get on the field there, what does that tell you? Why do you think we HAD TO GO FULL PORTAL ON D THIS YEAR? Im not following what part you can?t understand. You are just proving my point more

So you're changing your argument now from Leach's recruits not contributing.. now you're saying they are not here.. so you are agreeing with me that Leachs recruits have transferred out? Who knows the reasoning and who cares. They're not on this team and did not put 10 Ls on our schedule.

Whether his guys that transferred out were good or not. They aren't on the 17n team. Jesus christ.

[MBDawg601]

Hey dumba*ss, the players that left after Leach died and Arnett left went to sh*tty programs at a lower level because they were sh*tty football players. No one left for a better opportunity. That means his recruiting was not good. You are too stupid to have a conversation with.

Youre an idiot. If they are no longer on the team, it wouldn't matter if they were good or not. The guys that transferred out did jack shit to lose games this year. If they were worth a shit they would have left too. Nothing to make them stay.

Leach's teams never had a defense ranked worse than 41st in the country. This year's was 127th. Seems like even on Leach's worst year, we were not historically bad.

I know numbers are difficult for you. I tried to simplify it the best that I can.

[Jarius]

So you're changing your argument now from Leach's recruits not contributing.. now you're saying they are not here.. so you are agreeing with me that Leachs recruits have transferred out? Who knows the reasoning and who cares. They're not on this team and did not put 10 Ls on our schedule.

Whether his guys that transferred out were good or not. They aren't on the 17n team. Jesus christ.

8 of the 11 starters on defense were Leach recruits. The ones who left the program did so because they sucked. You are the only one that doesn’t know that.

[Jarius]

Youre an idiot. If they are no longer on the team, it wouldn't matter if they were good or not. The guys that transferred out did jack shit to lose games this year. If they were worth a shit they would have left too. Nothing to make them stay.

Leach's teams never had a defense ranked worse than 41st in the country. This year's was 127th. Seems like even on Leach's worst year, we were not historically bad.

I know numbers are difficult for you. I tried to simplify it the best that I can.


When you recruit 3 year’s worth of sh*tty defensive players it does not show up right away. It shows up when all of the previous coach’s good players leave. That’s why they call recruiting the lifeblood of the program, you mental midget. You can’t whiff on 3 entire signing classes defensively and then act like it isn’t that person’s fault the very year all of those players would be playing if they were worth a sh*t. Those players not being here any more created a huge void in the roster. Please have someone with a brain that you can sit down with and not judge you explain how recruiting and roster management work because I don’t have the patience for your ignorance. I’m going to stop replying now because you are either a troll or legitimately retarded and I don’t want to make fun of an actual retard and do not want to deal with a troll.

[DEDawg]

You make no sense. How do we go from 41 last year in total defense to 127 this year? Anyone that Leach recruited is no longer here. They have transferred. Are you that dim? The entire team this year was practically from the transfer portal. Not because the guys Leach recruited are still on the team. People have to exit in order for us to have room on the roster.

Good lord brother.

Alright, just because I'm bored today I will lay it out for you. You will reply with why it isn't Leach's fault but I got nothing else going on so why not.

Class of 2022, Leach's last full class. Can we agree that class should be having a significant impact and playing time for the 2024 season? I would believe we can both agree with that. Defensive players he recruited in his class.

Mojo Dortch (highest rated recruit) - Was supposed to be a DB for us. 2 catches at Troy this year. Can't see the field at a G5
Trevion Williams - 33 tackles for us this year. 0.5 sacks. Depth piece level, not an SEC starter. SEC quality depth type imo, but definitely a starter for us with how bare the cupboard is.
Avery Sledge - 13 total tackles at Southern Miss. Can barely see the field at the worst G5 school.
Decarlos Nicholson - Juco guy so will give a pass here since those guys aren't really meant to be impact unless you're in a real bad spot. May have started for us this year, transferred out and is a career backup at USC
Javae Gilmore - 2 total tackles this year. Not even depth quality
Donterry Russel - 4 total tackles this year. Not even depth quality
Kalvin Dinkins - Keep hearing this dude is an important part of our DL. 2 total tackles this year. That should tell you something


If you want to defend how that defensive recruiting isn't on Leach and that staff go ahead, but we will never see eye to eye on it. He screwed us defensively. Again, rest in peace and he did a great job in his time here but both things can be, and are, true.

[DEDawg]

So you're changing your argument now from Leach's recruits not contributing.. now you're saying they are not here.. so you are agreeing with me that Leachs recruits have transferred out? Who knows the reasoning and who cares. They're not on this team and did not put 10 Ls on our schedule.

Whether his guys that transferred out were good or not. They aren't on the 17n team. Jesus christ.

My brother in christ, HOW CAN THEY CONTRIBUTE IF THEY HAD TO TRANSFER OUT BECAUSE THEY AREN'T EVEN GOOD ENOUGH TO PLAY ON A SHITTY 2-10 TEAM. lmao come on man, you cannot be this dense.

[MBDawg601]

Alright, just because I'm bored today I will lay it out for you. You will reply with why it isn't Leach's fault but I got nothing else going on so why not.

Class of 2022, Leach's last full class. Can we agree that class should be having a significant impact and playing time for the 2024 season? I would believe we can both agree with that. Defensive players he recruited in his class.

Mojo Dortch (highest rated recruit) - Was supposed to be a DB for us. 2 catches at Troy this year. Can't see the field at a G5
Trevion Williams - 33 tackles for us this year. 0.5 sacks. Depth piece level, not an SEC starter. SEC quality depth type imo, but definitely a starter for us with how bare the cupboard is.
Avery Sledge - 13 total tackles at Southern Miss. Can barely see the field at the worst G5 school.
Decarlos Nicholson - Juco guy so will give a pass here since those guys aren't really meant to be impact unless you're in a real bad spot. May have started for us this year, transferred out and is a career backup at USC
Javae Gilmore - 2 total tackles this year. Not even depth quality
Donterry Russel - 4 total tackles this year. Not even depth quality
Kalvin Dinkins - Keep hearing this dude is an important part of our DL. 2 total tackles this year. That should tell you something


If you want to defend how that defensive recruiting isn't on Leach and that staff go ahead, but we will never see eye to eye on it. He screwed us defensively. Again, rest in peace and he did a great job in his time here but both things can be, and are, true.

Once again, majority of your post is made up of people that are not on the team.

How is that in any way impacting this year's results and how bad we were defensively?

[MBDawg601]

My brother in christ, HOW CAN THEY CONTRIBUTE IF THEY HAD TO TRANSFER OUT BECAUSE THEY AREN'T EVEN GOOD ENOUGH TO PLAY ON A SHITTY 2-10 TEAM. lmao come on man, you cannot be this dense.

Youre blaming people that aren't on the team for how bad we are.. that's pretty dense. There are teams out there with far less talent winning games and beating us by 24 points.

That's not on Leach my brother. That's on us. We are too good to admit that though.

[MBDawg601]

When you recruit 3 year’s worth of sh*tty defensive players it does not show up right away. It shows up when all of the previous coach’s good players leave. That’s why they call recruiting the lifeblood of the program, you mental midget. You can’t whiff on 3 entire signing classes defensively and then act like it isn’t that person’s fault the very year all of those players would be playing if they were worth a sh*t. Those players not being here any more created a huge void in the roster. Please have someone with a brain that you can sit down with and not judge you explain how recruiting and roster management work because I don’t have the patience for your ignorance. I’m going to stop replying now because you are either a troll or legitimately retarded and I don’t want to make fun of an actual retard and do not want to deal with a troll.

You're a rare breed. Please do not reproduce.

[Jarius]

Youre blaming people that aren't on the team for how bad we are.. that's pretty dense. There are teams out there with far less talent winning games and beating us by 24 points.

That's not on Leach my brother. That's on us. We are too good to admit that though.

Someone having to explain to you why it’s Leach’s fault that we could not replace 3 sh*tty recruiting classes in 1 year has to be an all time troll job. There is just no way you are this ignorant.

[Jarius]

Anyway.

[MBDawg601]

Someone having to explain to you why it’s Leach’s fault that we could not replace 3 sh*tty recruiting classes in 1 year has to be an all time troll job. There is just no way you are this ignorant.

Just couldn't resist? Like a bug to a night light.

Our main issue on defense was depth. Guys left because of our shitty actions AFTER Leach died.

Youre blaming Leach for players leaving, instead of blaming the administration for making shitty decisions following his death. You fkn low lifes can't wait to pounce on the guy passing away because you didn't like his coaching style, nearly 2 years later and you're still blaming the dude. You all couldn't stand the fact that he was actually success at State and had to eat crow when the air raid was working.

I recognize your stupid ass name and feel pretty sure I've had another dumbass argument with you when Leach was alive. Pathetic.

[MBDawg601]

Anyway.

Smart edit. Pathetic.

[Jarius]

Smart edit. Pathetic.

Better tell your wife to take a plan B pill.

[MBDawg601]

Better tell your wife to take a plan B pill.

I knew your simple mind would come back with it.

Once again, you couldn't nut hard enough for me to be worried. Too gd wimpy.

[DEDawg]

Just couldn't resist? Like a bug to a night light.

Our main issue on defense was depth. Guys left because of our shitty actions AFTER Leach died.

Youre blaming Leach for players leaving, instead of blaming the administration for making shitty decisions following his death. You fkn low lifes can't wait to pounce on the guy passing away because you didn't like his coaching style, nearly 2 years later and you're still blaming the dude. You all couldn't stand the fact that he was actually success at State and had to eat crow when the air raid was working.

I recognize your stupid ass name and feel pretty sure I've had another dumbass argument with you when Leach was alive. Pathetic.

Why are you ignoring the fact the guys that left can?t start on the G5 teams they transferred to, or can?t get playing time on this 2-10 MSU team. Why are you ignoring the players who did stay and couldn?t see the field on this historically bad defense? You just said our main issue is depth (it is not, we don?t have starting talent either) but let?s say we are doing your way. Why do you ignore the players currently on this roster who Leach recruited and can?t even see the field in the 2 deep on the worst defense we?ve ever seen at MSU?

Call me a low life all you want, I?ve made it clear I appreciate Leach and what he did while he was here. He also screwed us with bad recruiting. It happens, life isnt roses and ponies

[Jarius]

Why are you ignoring the fact the guys that left can?t start on the G5 teams they transferred to, or can?t get playing time on this 2-10 MSU team. Why are you ignoring the players who did stay and couldn?t see the field on this historically bad defense? You just said our main issue is depth (it is not, we don?t have starting talent either) but let?s say we are doing your way. Why do you ignore the players currently on this roster who Leach recruited and can?t even see the field in the 2 deep on the worst defense we?ve ever seen at MSU?

Call me a low life all you want, I?ve made it clear I appreciate Leach and what he did while he was here. He also screwed us with bad recruiting. It happens, life isnt roses and ponies

Don’t bother. He does not have the brain power.

[DEDawg]

Once again, majority of your post is made up of people that are not on the team.

How is that in any way impacting this year's results and how bad we were defensively?

Can you do math? I listed 7 players that Leach recruited in his last full class of 2022. 4 are on this team this year. 3 are not. How is 3 out of 7 the majority? Sounds like 4 out of 7 still being on the team is the majority, which makes your first statement factually incorrect.

To make your argument even more pointless, 3 of the 4 who ARE still on the team had a combined 8 tackles this year. You have been complaining all day I can?t talk about players Leach recruited who went to G5 schools and can?t play there, so here ya go. Im talking about the 4 players still on this roster and team this year we went 2-10. Again, 3 of those 4 players had a COMBINED EIGHT TACKLES. They couldn?t see the field on the worst defense MSU has ever fielded.

Tell me where I?m wrong because these are all verifiable facts.

[BuckyIsAB****]

He was awful all year and got benched the last 2 games. Just like we said he would.

Behind what? FCS o lineman that Lebby couldn?t even get to come here? By the way how is ducking and rara and tulu and all those wide open WRs doing? They are killing it in the backyard football league

[BuckyIsAB****]

Saw this tweet this morning https://x.com/langloismsu/status/1863038596417982717?s=46&t=ID24LbHaAiOwVOmMGHXcTA

Yay! How many games did we win and how many did we score when we werent down by 28? If you throw it deep 20 times a game you might get 5. Remember how y?all bitched Will and Leach to oblivion and said it was only
Because of the amount of passes we threw? Same principle. Except one came with wins and this comes with none

[DEDawg]

Yay! How many games did we win and how many did we score when we werent down by 28? If you throw it deep 20 times a game you might get 5. Remember how y?all bitched Will and Leach to oblivion and said it was only
Because of the amount of passes we threw? Same principle. Except one came with wins and this comes with none

Was just replying to your original post saying we didn?t have explosive plays this year

[Jarius]

Behind what? FCS o lineman that Lebby couldn?t even get to come here? By the way how is ducking and rara and tulu and all those wide open WRs doing? They are killing it in the backyard football league

It is most certainly anyone else’s fault but Will Rogers that he wasn’t any good again and got benched. We all know that by now. It couldn’t be him. New school, same excuses. If he is as good as you seem to think he is, maybe he should have went to a school with a better supporting cast. I mean surely he had plenty of big time options with a better situation? You spent the entire offseason barking about how awesome he was because he got such a big time quarterback offer to Washington and now it’s a bunch of poor mouthing about how he was surrounded by dog sh*t.

[R2Dawg]

Go back and look at those last few classes under Leach and circle all of those contributors. Especially on defense and tell me it was equal to Mullen's recruiting. Not to mention Leach thought Emerick was good to have around in recruiting. Leach ran a good program, don't mistake me thinking he didn't, but recruiting was not his strong suit.

Bingo. Recruiting rankings are a joke anyway. Mullen fielded NFL dudes regardless of the rankings. Where are Leach's recruits playing in NFL? Big drop off from Mullen.

[MBDawg601]

Can you do math? I listed 7 players that Leach recruited in his last full class of 2022. 4 are on this team this year. 3 are not. How is 3 out of 7 the majority? Sounds like 4 out of 7 still being on the team is the majority, which makes your first statement factually incorrect.

To make your argument even more pointless, 3 of the 4 who ARE still on the team had a combined 8 tackles this year. You have been complaining all day I can?t talk about players Leach recruited who went to G5 schools and can?t play there, so here ya go. Im talking about the 4 players still on this roster and team this year we went 2-10. Again, 3 of those 4 players had a COMBINED EIGHT TACKLES. They couldn?t see the field on the worst defense MSU has ever fielded.

Tell me where I?m wrong because these are all verifiable facts.

Keep blaming our situation on a guy that is dead and gone. Very forward way of thinking. Has nothing to do with the hires and choices following his death. You are right. Sorry I even debated you.

[Coursesuper]

Keep blaming our situation on a guy that is dead and gone. Very forward way of thinking. Has nothing to do with the hires and choices following his death. You are right. Sorry I even debated you.

Dead man or not the cupboard was still bare when this staff got here. They are having to bust ass trying to rebuild relationships that we had cultivated over lifetimes that Emerick burned. Playing catch up x 2 from the get go.

[MBDawg601]

Dead man or not the cupboard was still bare when this staff got here. They are having to bust ass trying to rebuild relationships that we had cultivated over lifetimes that Emerick burned. Playing catch up x 2 from the get go.

Yep. Lebby and Selmon are the right guys. They will right the ship. Thanks you guys for clearing it up.

[Coursesuper]

Yep. Lebby and Selmon are the right guys. They will right the ship. Thanks you guys for clearing it up.

I didn't say that I simply pointed out facts, but why let something so simple get in the way of screaming at the clouds.

[Really Clark?]

I didn't say that I simply pointed out facts, but why let something so simple get in the way of screaming at the clouds.

Why ruin months of screaming and ranting? It will always be something with some people.

[Coursesuper]

Why ruin months of screaming and ranting? It will always be something with some people.

No kidding.

[BuckyIsAB****]

It is most certainly anyone else’s fault but Will Rogers that he wasn’t any good again and got benched. We all know that by now. It couldn’t be him. New school, same excuses. If he is as good as you seem to think he is, maybe he should have went to a school with a better supporting cast. I mean surely he had plenty of big time options with a better situation? You spent the entire offseason barking about how awesome he was because he got such a big time quarterback offer to Washington and now it’s a bunch of poor mouthing about how he was surrounded by dog sh*t.

Uh no I just simply said he went to Washington while y?all said he was headed to MC or western Kentucky. Dont change it now. Hes not Tom Brady but hes one of our best ever, just because you didnt like him won?t change the fact he proved yall wrong at literally every step. From jack Abraham to western Kentucky

[BankerDog]

Uh no I just simply said he went to Washington while y?all said he was headed to MC or western Kentucky. Dont change it now. Hes not Tom Brady but hes one of our best ever, just because you didnt like him won?t change the fact he proved yall wrong at literally every step. From jack Abraham to western Kentucky

You do realize had Abraham not gotten hurt, he was starting for us Wil?s sophomore year..right? That?s literally why Leach brought him in because he didn?t want to play Will.

[Brobi-wan]

This thread is better than Gladiator II

[Jarius]

Uh no I just simply said he went to Washington while y?all said he was headed to MC or western Kentucky. Dont change it now. Hes not Tom Brady but hes one of our best ever, just because you didnt like him won?t change the fact he proved yall wrong at literally every step. From jack Abraham to western Kentucky

If he would have went to Western Kentucky or somewhere similar he would have finished out the year the starter. Instead he went to Washington to go get benched, like I said he would because he’s not that level quarterback.

[HancockCountyDog]

I genuinely can't believe that this thread went six pages.

Our lack of defensive talent this season is primarily the fault of Coach Leach. This is not debatable.

The fact that we got blown out by Toledo is the fault of Coach Lebby. This is not debatable.

The fact that we had to spend in the portal to overhaul the offense last year was primarily the fault of Coach Leach. This is not debatable.

The fact that we made misevaluations on some of these offensive portal additions is the fault of Coach Lebby. This is not debatable.

The bottom line is that we spent a bunch of NIL money to go 2-10. Lots of kids got paid to stay and lots of kids got paid to transfer/sign here.

Our biggest issue right now is that we are spending money keeping players that are fringe SEC players because we don't know for sure if we can go out and get legit SEC players in the transfer portal.

Since John Lewis just hit the portal, makes me think that we told him that his NIL deal was not being renewed.

[MBDawg601]

Absolutely not a fact that Leach is the reason for this season being so horrid. That is an opinion sir. You have no clue what our defense would have looked like with Leach still alive. You can blame Leach passing on our woes, but you cannot blame the dude for this. He had no part in it.

Folks that do not want to blame the administration for making lazy hires are quick to point at Leach, but he has been dead for 2 years and what we have done since is run the program into the shit hole. Vandy would beat us by 3-4 touchdowns. Let that sink in, Leach wouldn't have let that happen - regardless of talent and he damned sure would not have had a defense ranked 127th in the country. He didn't inherit a great situation from Jo Mo - he had some talent sure, but he won more than 2 games his first year and didn't hire a clueless idiot to run his defense.

[MBDawg601]

If he would have went to Western Kentucky or somewhere similar he would have finished out the year the starter. Instead he went to Washington to go get benched, like I said he would because he’s not that level quarterback.

Noodle arm never went 2-10.

Let that sink in.

[DEDawg]

Absolutely not a fact that Leach is the reason for this season being so horrid. That is an opinion sir. You have no clue what our defense would have looked like with Leach still alive. You can blame Leach passing on our woes, but you cannot blame the dude for this. He had no part in it.

Folks that do not want to blame the administration for making lazy hires are quick to point at Leach, but he has been dead for 2 years and what we have done since is run the program into the shit hole. Vandy would beat us by 3-4 touchdowns. Let that sink in, Leach wouldn't have let that happen - regardless of talent and he damned sure would not have had a defense ranked 127th in the country. He didn't inherit a great situation from Jo Mo - he had some talent sure, but he won more than 2 games his first year and didn't hire a clueless idiot to run his defense.

lol I love that you just ignore posts with factual information like the one I tagged you in

[MBDawg601]

lol I love that you just ignore posts with factual information like the one I tagged you in

Factual information that supports your opinion. You are pretty dim there sparky.

It cannot be a fact that a guy that died 2 years ago is the reason our defense struggled. You can say our depth blah blah all that shit. It can never be a fact. Only opinion. You are entitled to that. Sure.

[DEDawg]

Factual information that supports your opinion. You are pretty dim there sparky.

It cannot be a fact that a guy that died 2 years ago is the reason our defense struggled. You can say our depth blah blah all that shit. It can never be a fact. Only opinion. You are entitled to that. Sure.

hahaha yeah my opinion when I gave you numbers, names, facts, and even did the math for you. So subjective of me.

[Coursesuper]

hahaha yeah my opinion when I gave you numbers, names, facts, and even did the math for you. So subjective of me.

This dude has got some amazing issues to work out. Statistics and facts aren?t gonna have much impact on him.

[Cowbell]

Noodle arm never went 2-10.

Let that sink in.

Noodle arm had a defense

[FISHDAWG]

I didn't read much further than the initial post but this is nothing more than an opinion and it's not going to raise his stock one bit

[Bothrops]

This thread is better than Gladiator II

Was that any good?

[Bothrops]

Noodle arm never went 2-10.

Let that sink in.

He would have gone 2-10 this year at State.

[Brobi-wan]

I didn't read much further than the initial post but this is nothing more than an opinion and it's not going to raise his stock one bit

To sum it up, one is arguing about contributions as a collective. The other is pretending like every one of ML’s recruits dropped out of college when he passed and ignoring the fact that student athletes are supposed to be at an institution for 4 years.

[Coach34]

Noodle arm never went 2-10.

Let that sink in.

Noodle arm went 3-7 tho with a pretty good defense.

[Coach34]

Was that any good?

It was a solid follow-up to a masterpiece

[BuckyIsAB****]

If he would have went to Western Kentucky or somewhere similar he would have finished out the year the starter. Instead he went to Washington to go get benched, like I said he would because he’s not that level quarterback.

Right. Not because you dont know and are talking out your ass. He got hurt from getting destroyed all year so they play another QB who is too short to see but can run around. While you are complaining he will break another all time NCAA record so again, dont forget to take down your I hate Will rogers and his entire family for no reason poster

[BuckyIsAB****]

Noodle arm went 3-7 tho with a pretty good defense.

When? Fired coaches club doesn?t count

[BuckyIsAB****]

You do realize had Abraham not gotten hurt, he was starting for us Wil?s sophomore year..right? That?s literally why Leach brought him in because he didn?t want to play Will.

He didnt want to play him but started him for 3 years. Ok. Just take my word for it brother, thats just false

[Lord McBuckethead]

Leach also was a lazy hire.

Disagree. Leech is 100% a Hall of Fame Coach that was kind of out of our league, except he was just cookie enough to actually take the job.

[Coach34]

When? Fired coaches club doesn?t count

says who? Sure it does

[Coach34]

Disagree. Leech is 100% a Hall of Fame Coach that was kind of out of our league, except he was just cookie enough to actually take the job.

Leach was not a lazy hire- Cohen viewed Leach is an outside the box lets see what he does in the SEC hire. He wanted to be smarter than everybody.

Wellllllll- you're not smarter John.

[MBDawg601]

He would have gone 2-10 this year at State.

Who knows. Maybe?

What we do know, is he has never gone 2-10 at state and we are historically bad regardless of who people want to blame. Blaming people that aren't alive is pretty low. More than Leach's lack of talent went into this abysmal season. Lazy ass excuse if you ask me, instead of pointing at the real problem of 1st time AD, HC and DC. Noone has a clue what the hell they are doing. I can't make that same statement about Leach, I know that much.

We will not be any better next year or the year after, so buckle up.

[MBDawg601]

This dude has got some amazing issues to work out. Statistics and facts aren?t gonna have much impact on him.

Yeah, the only issue I have to figure out is how to ignore mindless fans that have a simple mind and quick to blame one of the only legit Head Coaches we have had in the past 8 years for the 2-10 season our shit staff just put down.

You guys are going to be blaming Leach for a long time I'm afraid.

[Coursesuper]

Leach was not a lazy hire- Cohen viewed Leach is an outside the box lets see what he does in the SEC hire. He wanted to be smarter than everybody.

Wellllllll- you're not smarter John.

Cohen never talks to him if Leach hadn't called Jackie. Cohen fell into that one because he was almost out of options at that point of the search. He botched it.

[Jarius]

Right. Not because you dont know and are talking out your ass. He got hurt from getting destroyed all year so they play another QB who is too short to see but can run around. While you are complaining he will break another all time NCAA record so again, dont forget to take down your I hate Will rogers and his entire family for no reason poster

Dude got benched because he was mediocre and their season was over so they turned to the future.

[Jarius]

says who? Sure it does

The last 3 years of noodle arm’s career his offenses never scored more than 21 ppg against power 4/5 competition. It’s everyone else’s fault. Always has been.

[Coursesuper]

Yeah, the only issue I have to figure out is how to ignore mindless fans that have a simple mind and quick to blame one of the only legit Head Coaches we have had in the past 8 years for the 2-10 season our shit staff just put down.

You guys are going to be blaming Leach for a long time I'm afraid.

I don't know what you need to do, bourbon, weed, Zen Buddhism or long walks in the country. But you need to find some peace. As for what is wrong here it's like in almost everything when it goes bad. There is never one thing that is the issue when things go south so Cohen being forced in the AD seat, the Joe Mo hire, the Leach hire and tragic passing, the booster staff 17 up and countless other acts of dumbassery have landed us where we sit today. Where we sit is a total shitshow that is not going to be fixed easily or quickly as some seem to think. This is a long haul fix that will take time and cash, lots of cash and patience, to even become competitive again.

[MBDawg601]

I don't know what you need to do, bourbon, weed, Zen Buddhism or long walks in the country. But you need to find some peace. As for what is wrong here it's like in almost everything when it goes bad. There is never one thing that is the issue when things go south so Cohen being forced in the AD seat, the Joe Mo hire, the Leach hire and tragic passing, the booster staff 17 up and countless other acts of dumbassery have landed us where we sit today. Where we sit is a total shitshow that is not going to be fixed easily or quickly as some seem to think. This is a long haul fix that will take time and cash, lots of cash and patience, to even become competitive again.

I partake in my fair share of each. I have peace, I like debating people that have different opinions on a sports forum. Especially, when they try to blame a national treasure like Mike Leach. Had he lived, god rest his soul, we would not be in this shitty situation. Noodle arm would have won the heisman and we would be in the CFP hosting.

[R2Dawg]

Yeah, the only issue I have to figure out is how to ignore mindless fans that have a simple mind and quick to blame one of the only legit Head Coaches we have had in the past 8 years for the 2-10 season our shit staff just put down.

You guys are going to be blaming Leach for a long time I'm afraid.

No one has blamed Leach for ALL the issues, but low talent/recruiting well he earned that one.

I like Leach as a person just don't like his approach to football.

Even though he didn't mean too, Leach did accomplish to divide the fanbase like no other at a time that we don't need it. And Leach supporters will not let it go. Stop threads like "since Leach passed" or "if Leach were here" No one else is starting threads like "this is all Leach's fault"

[MBDawg601]

No one has blamed Leach for ALL the issues, but low talent/recruiting well he earned that one.

I like Leach as a person just don't like his approach to football.

Even though he didn't mean too, Leach did accomplish to divide the fanbase like no other at a time that we don't need it. And Leach supporters will not let it go. Stop threads like "since Leach passed" or "if Leach were here" No one else is starting threads like "this is all Leach's fault"

I can agree with that, but they are quick to hop in and blame Leach even though they may not have started the thread. I chimed in when I saw the "Leach destroyed recruiting" as if our head coaching hires since his passing did not impact it one bit. Our depth was an issue this year, we had a handful of folks transfer out since the death. Could they have helped? who knows, but preaching it like that is a matter of fact is not right. Just give your opinion and move on. There is no right or wrong answer to why we are historically bad. The only right answer is that we are historically bad and it starts with the AD hire.

[Santiago]

Cohen never talks to him if Leach hadn't called Jackie. Cohen fell into that one because he was almost out of options at that point of the search. He botched it.

Didn't Benko have a big role in that , in reaching out to Coach Leach

[Coursesuper]

Didn't Benko have a big role in that , in reaching out to Coach Leach

Leach contacted us.

[DEDawg]

Could they have helped? who knows, but preaching it like that is a matter of fact is not right.

Considering those defensive players from Leach's last full recruiting class can't get on the field at the likes of Southern Miss, Troy, and a horrendous MSU defense that went 2-10 as Sophomores with 24 months of college coaching and resources, I feel it's fair to say that is not an opinion anymore but a quite clear and objective fact based on playing time, stats, and production. But keep on saying it... as long as you believe it.

[BuckyIsAB****]

says who? Sure it does

Thats like blaming water for being wet dude

[BankerDog]

Thats like blaming water for being wet dude

Good luck tomorrow. I know Nelson will have a good plan to attack Tupelo?s run game. I have a feeling Nelson will be back in college game before too long and I hope it?s with us.

[R2Dawg]

Considering those defensive players from Leach's last full recruiting class can't get on the field at the likes of Southern Miss, Troy, and a horrendous MSU defense that went 2-10 as Sophomores with 24 months of college coaching and resources, I feel it's fair to say that is not an opinion anymore but a quite clear and objective fact based on playing time, stats, and production. But keep on saying it... as long as you believe it.

Yeah it is pretty clear. ******* recruits did pretty good after he left too. If people don't like Leach attacks, stop the Leach threads. Let him RIP for goodness sakes. There are many reasons we are where we are and Leach is part of it as are AD, Pres, ZA, etc but Leach is part of it.

[MBDawg601]

Considering those defensive players from Leach's last full recruiting class can't get on the field at the likes of Southern Miss, Troy, and a horrendous MSU defense that went 2-10 as Sophomores with 24 months of college coaching and resources, I feel it's fair to say that is not an opinion anymore but a quite clear and objective fact based on playing time, stats, and production. But keep on saying it... as long as you believe it.

You're trying to hard brother. I get it. You hate Leach, move on.

[DEDawg]

You're trying to hard brother. I get it. You hate Leach, move on.

This is the argument of a 5 year old. I provide you facts and you throw a temper tantrum and say I hate someone because it is the only reply you can make. Im not letting you off that easy. I have said multiple times just in this thread that I appreciate everything Leach has done for us and he was a good coach for us. He did us a great service cleaning up the program after Moorhead and I will forever be grateful for him pushing the program back in the right direction. However he also had issues recruiting, was lazy on the defensive side, and it showed clear as day this year. Both can be and both are true.

17 you for trying to spin it like I hate Leach just because you got embarrassed with facts on a pointless thread and cant come up with anything but just had to have the last word.

As always, RIP to the pirate

[MBDawg601]

This is the argument of a 5 year old. I provide you facts and you throw a temper tantrum and say I hate someone because it is the only reply you can make. Im not letting you off that easy. I have said multiple times just in this thread that I appreciate everything Leach has done for us and he was a good coach for us. He did us a great service cleaning up the program after Moorhead and I will forever be grateful for him pushing the program back in the right direction. However he also had issues recruiting, was lazy on the defensive side, and it showed clear as day this year. Both can be and both are true.

17 you for trying to spin it like I hate Leach just because you got embarrassed with facts on a pointless thread and cant come up with anything but just had to have the last word.

As always, RIP to the pirate

Got embarrassed? You cherry picked a few stats from a handful of players and stood on the hill with a flag in your hand like you did something. 17 off loser.

Glad you showed the Pirate some respect, for once.