We can stop the WE POOR talk

[Cooterpoot]

Another $3MM donation to the fund!

[BigDawg81]

That should be enough for Hutzler buyout

[Op4isabitch]

The MSU foundation has about $180mil more than the UM foundation currently too. I guess that counts for something.

[KOdawg1]

Money isn't the issue and anyone telling you it is is misinformed.

We've got money, we've just got to convince kids to take it.

[Goldendawg]

Money isn't the issue and anyone telling you it is is misinformed.

We've got money, we've just got to convince kids to take it.

This. Hope this "staff" can evaluate properly, sell a vision (plenty of immediate playing time is available), select the right scheme on "D", and coach them up!

[civildawg]

We could have 100 million a year and coach 34 would still say we are poor.

[somebodyshotmypaw]

We aren’t poor. But we don’t spend effectively and efficiently. We are run like a government. We need to be run like a business. There is a lot of fat that can be trimmed. That leads to more available revenue to spend where it is really effective.

[basedog]

We aren’t poor. But we don’t spend effectively and efficiently. We are run like a government. We need to be run like a business. There is a lot of fat that can be trimmed. That leads to more available revenue to spend where it is really effective.

I can believe this and agree. Three most important factor to Msu future, President hires, AD hires and HC in football Hires, as the commercial says "it's just the easy"! LOL

[somebodyshotmypaw]

I can believe this and agree. Three most important factor to Msu future, President hires, AD hires and HC in football Hires, as the commercial says "it's just the easy"! LOL

It’s like Elon Musk is preaching about the federal government. It is all bloated with payroll, inefficient business practices, etc. Universities across this country are very inefficient when it comes to spending.

[gtowndawg]

We just got a commitment from a high school lineman that is not ranked (2 stars) with two other offers from Memphis and UT Martin. I'm not trashing the kid but if this is real something is seriously wrong. Someone tell me it's not correct.

[msstate7]

Another $3MM donation to the fund!

Cool, we set for a decade of NIL now

lol

[Tripp McNeely]

We just got a commitment from a high school lineman that is not ranked (2 stars) with two other offers from Memphis and UT Martin. I'm not trashing the kid but if this is real something is seriously wrong. Someone tell me it's not correct.

He's actually an 89, which is one point away from being a 4-star, on on3. He also has offers from ole miss and Florida State.

[basedog]

There many so called 2 and 3 stars who can develop in time, there are also 3 and 4 stars who want make it. Evaluation and coaching up is huge. I quit following recruiting a long time ago.

[parabrave]

There many so called 2 and 3 stars who can develop in time, there are also 3 and 4 stars who want make it. Evaluation and coaching up is huge. I quit following recruiting a long time ago.

If Dan was the coach that would be OK. But it seems that out current 5 stars are playing at a 2 star level.

[basedog]

I didn't know we had any 5 stars playing.

[basedog]

Another $3MM donation to the fund!

I'm wondering if this from Dak, I was told they have been talking to him to contribute to a 4 year plan.

[Op4isabitch]

I'm wondering if this from Dak, I was told they have been talking to him to contribute to a 4 year plan.

Said it was from the family of long time supporters.

[bigbub50]

We just got a commitment from a high school lineman that is not ranked (2 stars) with two other offers from Memphis and UT Martin. I'm not trashing the kid but if this is real something is seriously wrong. Someone tell me it's not correct.

He is a project. Only played football for one year. 6’8” that needs a red shirt year or two. He could develop. He has the frame and is an athlete.

[gtowndawg]

He's actually an 89, which is one point away from being a 4-star, on on3. He also has offers from ole miss and Florida State.

Really? On 24/7 he's not rated? See here (https://247sports.com/player/breyden-turnage-46153584/)

On Rivals he's a 2 star. See here (https://n.rivals.com/content/athletes/breyden-turnage-325886?guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvb S8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAAgN-LXCFVA8QNEja7N2V0cMRITKitePGMoPAxUkD9ZFoDeb2gnRw43 9HqX2M0-MHWKFejgDMRoWlEPOunr69laR1NRUd33M4rX6dN92n8dlQrfpC fGIOX3EZSg7fMbRNuQcaR1GuyR6-7WiSuLAOa1Lm3Ldo7U3_ed8pqqLn5oo&view=pv)

On3 does have him as a 3 Star (82), I see that now. ESPN has not rated him either.

[gtowndawg]

He is a project. Only played football for one year. 6’8” that needs a red shirt year or two. He could develop. He has the frame and is an athlete.

Fair enough (taking a project). I suppose we need to take chances on projects especially with the increase in scholorships coming up.

[Cooterpoot]

We just got a commitment from a high school lineman that is not ranked (2 stars) with two other offers from Memphis and UT Martin. I'm not trashing the kid but if this is real something is seriously wrong. Someone tell me it's not correct.

Hard to rank a kid that's only played football a year and was 250 lbs last year and there was no tape to see. Kid is 285 lbs now and three sport athlete. He's a steal! Will need to RS but that's fine with Juco/portal kids coming in this year. Kid is a really good athlete.

[msstate7]

Really? On 24/7 he's not rated? See here (https://247sports.com/player/breyden-turnage-46153584/)

On Rivals he's a 2 star. See here (https://n.rivals.com/content/athletes/breyden-turnage-325886?guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvb S8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAAgN-LXCFVA8QNEja7N2V0cMRITKitePGMoPAxUkD9ZFoDeb2gnRw43 9HqX2M0-MHWKFejgDMRoWlEPOunr69laR1NRUd33M4rX6dN92n8dlQrfpC fGIOX3EZSg7fMbRNuQcaR1GuyR6-7WiSuLAOa1Lm3Ldo7U3_ed8pqqLn5oo&view=pv)

On3 does have him as a 3 Star (82), I see that now. ESPN has not rated him either.
https://i.postimg.cc/TY3D3XDY/IMG-5943.jpg (https://postimg.cc/ThBwtF0Z)

[Cooterpoot]

Cool, we set for a decade of NIL now

lol

Nobody is set for a decade at the rate things are going

[gtowndawg]

https://i.postimg.cc/TY3D3XDY/IMG-5943.jpg (https://postimg.cc/ThBwtF0Z)

Why does it show his ranking as an 82 next to his name and profile but it's 89 under that? Genuinely curious, have they not updated it maybe? Those numbers match on other recruits, for example here is Bryce Underwood (https://www.on3.com/db/bryce-underwood-15949/) showing a 99 in both locations.

[Tripp McNeely]

Really? On 24/7 he's not rated? See here (https://247sports.com/player/breyden-turnage-46153584/)

On Rivals he's a 2 star. See here (https://n.rivals.com/content/athletes/breyden-turnage-325886?guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvb S8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAAgN-LXCFVA8QNEja7N2V0cMRITKitePGMoPAxUkD9ZFoDeb2gnRw43 9HqX2M0-MHWKFejgDMRoWlEPOunr69laR1NRUd33M4rX6dN92n8dlQrfpC fGIOX3EZSg7fMbRNuQcaR1GuyR6-7WiSuLAOa1Lm3Ldo7U3_ed8pqqLn5oo&view=pv)

On3 does have him as a 3 Star (82), I see that now. ESPN has not rated him either.

That 82 is the "composite". Their ranking is an 89. The other services haven't evaluated him yet.

[Coach34]

We could have 100 million a year and coach 34 would still say we are poor.

3 million gets ya a good QB now.

We are not nor will we be in the Top half of the SEC in NIL

[basedog]

3 million gets ya a good QB now.

We are not nor will we be in the Top half of the SEC in NIL

From what I've been told this is true but we aren't in the bottom 25% either.

[Todd4State]

Why does it show his ranking as an 82 next to his name and profile but it's 89 under that? Genuinely curious, have they not updated it maybe? Those numbers match on other recruits, for example here is Bryce Underwood (https://www.on3.com/db/bryce-underwood-15949/) showing a 99 in both locations.

I like Turnage. If he develops he could be a really good tackle. These recruiting services have no clue how to rate offensive linemen. It's very much a developmental position.

[gtowndawg]

I like Turnage. If he develops he could be a really good tackle. These recruiting services have no clue how to rate offensive linemen. It's very much a developmental position.

Ha, if that example doesn't prove that I don't know what does. One has him at 89, one is a "5.4" and two didn't bother rating!

[Cowbell]

I'm wondering if this from Dak, I was told they have been talking to him to contribute to a 4 year plan.

He was linked to the much larger donation a couple months back

[Homedawg]

Fair enough (taking a project). I suppose we need to take chances on projects especially with the increase in scholorships coming up.

Sec is staying at 85. Might change in the future. But not very soon

[Homedawg]

He was linked to the much larger donation a couple months back

Dak didn't give us the 8. Nor is this him w the three

[Todd4State]

Dak didn't give us the 8. Nor is this him w the three

I imagine whatever he is going to give is going to come very soon now that he has signed his new contract which I'm assuming starts in 2025.

[Leeshouldveflanked]

We are very Poor at Leadership.

[Homedawg]

I imagine whatever he is going to give is going to come very soon now that he has signed his new contract which I'm assuming starts in 2025.

I didn't say he hadn't given us anything. I did he wasn't the 3 or 8. They've tried to get him to be a part of a major project. I don't know where that stands. And I don't begrudge him if he doesn't. It's his money.

[Todd4State]

I didn't say he hadn't given us anything. I did he wasn't the 3 or 8. They've tried to get him to be a part of a major project. I don't know where that stands. And I don't begrudge him if he doesn't. It's his money.

Oh yeah. I didn't mean for it to come across as he hasn't given anything. I just meant whatever he is going to give us (if anything) from his upcoming contract in 2025.

[Coursesuper]

Another $3MM donation to the fund!

Relative to the rest of our conference we are poor, there is no other way to state it. We do, do more with less for sure but we are way behind the curve in out league.

[DEDawg]

Relative to the rest of our conference we are poor, there is no other way to state it. We do, do more with less for sure but we are way behind the curve in out league.

I keep hearing this, and I don?t not believe it, but I would love to know what this means relatively. Are we talking $10M vs SEC average of $25M cause that?s huge. Or are we talking $10M vs SEC average of 12.5M because that is still very competitive.

[Coursesuper]

I keep hearing this, and I don?t not believe it, but I would love to know what this means relatively. Are we talking $10M vs SEC average of $25M cause that?s huge. Or are we talking $10M vs SEC average of 12.5M because that is still very competitive.

You know what, believing is easy, knowing is hard. If you took one trip to UGA, AU, Tenn, Tx A$M and took one peak behind the curtain your beliefs would be out the window. I travel each year to conference institutions for an in depth conference on what we do and how things we do are done by each school. Our funding and the difference in the big boys in our league and us is staggering. Hell the staffing levels alone are hard to comprehend. We have less than 50 for 1200 acres, the Bammers and UGA are over 100 and A$M is just stupid. That said we are and always will be playing from behind and doing more with less and we proudly do it every day.

[Leeshouldveflanked]

The money gap for us relatively speaking is no bigger now than it has been for the last 50 years.

[Cooterpoot]

Relative to the rest of our conference we are poor, there is no other way to state it. We do, do more with less for sure but we are way behind the curve in out league.

Our NIL isn't. Overall, yes, from a budget standpoint. You guys can keep trying to say this stuff but NIL is where it matters and we're more than competitive with the majority of the conference.

[Coursesuper]

Our NIL isn't. Overall, yes, from a budget standpoint. You guys can keep trying to say this stuff but NIL is where it matters and we're more than competitive with the majority of the conference.

Not wrong, but NIL is not the whole picture either. The entire thing has to one homogeneous machine working together and right now that ain?t us.

[DEDawg]

You know what, believing is easy, knowing is hard. If you took one trip to UGA, AU, Tenn, Tx A$M and took one peak behind the curtain your beliefs would be out the window. I travel each year to conference institutions for an in depth conference on what we do and how things we do are done by each school. Our funding and the difference in the big boys in our league and us is staggering. Hell the staffing levels alone are hard to comprehend. We have less than 50 for 1200 acres, the Bammers and UGA are over 100 and A$M is just stupid. That said we are and always will be playing from behind and doing more with less and we proudly do it every day.

So relatively, what numbers or percentages are we talking? Again, I believe it but it?s helpful to understand context of the magnitude

[Coursesuper]

So relatively, what numbers or percentages are we talking? Again, I believe it but it?s helpful to understand context of the magnitude

I can?t give you exact numbers, I would guess that we operate at about 50% less than most of our counterparts, but what I can correlate is that the numbers that are available for my staffing and materials to work and what these other schools are able to do with this staffing etc. blows us away. UGA is able to have an entire department for recycling. Where this comes into play is that they are able up compost and produce their own soils for bed mixes and other projects. That is huge expense only affordable to them because of the gigantic budget differences. This is all on just the landscape side of things, now take that experience and apply that over the entire institution and it?s easy to see where we stack up with our league. A&M is ugly but the $$ they are able to spend are amazing. They just spent upwards of 20 million on the big park area next to football stadium. I don?t ever see that happening with us.

[Cooterpoot]

Not wrong, but NIL is not the whole picture either. The entire thing has to one homogeneous machine working together and right now that ain?t us.

NIL is what gets you players along with winning games. Players don't care about much else beyond reaching the league. We've seen large donations the last year of a combined about $31MM. That's just one year...stop with the poor talk. We're competing where we need to right now. It would be more accurate to say we're a cheap fanbase than a poor one. We just got approval on an IPF too. Things are moving.

[PGHBulldogBG]

Overall in the college football world our NIL is probably decent. The problem is that in the SEC decent isn’t enough. We need to keep giving as much as we can if we want to see a winning product on the field.

[Turfdawg67]

Poorest state in the union but we fine for NIL football. Lolz...

[SPMT]

Poorest state in the union but we fine for NIL football. Lolz...

Exactly, so what?s the point in bitching about all of this. We will NEVER have the funds the other schools have. So we find a way or we whine and quit.

These scenarios were setup decades if not - century ago.

[Maroons]

Not wrong, but NIL is not the whole picture either. The entire thing has to one homogeneous machine working together and right now that ain?t us.

This. Many aren't realizing we're fundraising for revenue sharing. NIL is separate.