Mizzou game thread

[msstate7]

No craver hurting already

Might have been targeting

[RockyDog]

Catch the ball Atari!!

[Dawgology]

Seemed like targeting but who cares. Have to catch the ball and hold onto it. That’s the point of football

[TrapGame]

Great minds...

Gotta catch those.

If Mizzou's defense plays this loose it will be a high scoring game.

[msstate7]

Seemed like targeting but who cares. Have to catch the ball and hold onto it. That’s the point of football

Sure, but rules should be the rules.

Good stop

[StarkVegasSteve]

Holy shit!!!! 3 and out with a QB Hurry!!!!

[PGHBulldogBG]

3 and out are my eyes deceiving me?

[TrapGame]

Where did this D come from?!

[parabrave]

Holy Crap on honor of Bert Stare we get 3 and out.

[msstate7]

And we couldn't get a 1st down. Crap

[msstate7]

Pretty sad that's our best view of the replay

[msstate7]

Holy crap

[civildawg]

Uhhh what is this defense?

[TrapGame]

This is an aggressive defense. Where the **** have you been?!!

[msstate7]

I hate this team so bad

[civildawg]

Jesus that's awful

[RockyDog]

THAT is why MVB needs competition

[StarkVegasSteve]

Just go down. Damn that kid has no pocket presence.

[mparkerfd20]

The day D came to play offense ****ing sucks. We ****ed up with Lebby

[msstate7]

MVB, take care of the damn ball

[TrapGame]

The defense is playing better than the offense. Ridiculous.

[StarkVegasSteve]

MVB, take care of the damn ball

This is why we are bringing in competition.

[RockyDog]

The day D came to play offense ****ing sucks. We ****ed up with Lebby

How is stupid QB play Lebby’s fault?

[Coursesuper]

The day D came to play offense ****ing sucks. We ****ed up with Lebby

This is why we can?t have nice things

[Offshore Dawg]

was that not one of the most MSU things ever.

[RockyDog]

The Jackson Arnold countdown has begun

[Extendedcab]

How is stupid QB play Lebby’s fault?

He should have taught him how not to carry the ball like a loaf of bread.

[parabrave]

This is why we are bringing in competition.

How about a QB Coach that can teach him.

[civildawg]

Of course the offense sucks since the defense is playing well

[StarkVegasSteve]

Please move Burnside to defense.

[TrapGame]

Nice special teams tackle.

[msstate7]

This is why we are bringing in competition.

OM friend of mine says freeze is after MVB. Not sure if it's credible or not

[RockyDog]

Of course the offense sucks since the defense is playing well

The offense is fine. It’s the knucklehead at QB that some of yall wanted to anoint as the 4 year starter that is playing like shite

[msstate7]

Blow out. Again.

I'll watch us play football again next September.

[TrapGame]

Well, the defense is back to sucking.

[mparkerfd20]

We won't win 3 next year either. Major ****up hiring Lebby.

[parabrave]

Well it's about to go downhill fast. If Craver was suspended then maybe there are deeper problems on the team/

[RockyDog]

We shoulda been up 13-0 easily. Thanks MVb!!!

[StarkVegasSteve]

OM friend of mine says freeze is after MVB. Not sure if it's credible or not

Cool. Let him have him honestly. He will not beat Taylor out in 26 anyways. Just bring in Arnold next year and let Taylor sit behind him and let him go in 26

[Coursesuper]

This game is poorly officiated. Just don?t give a 17.

[RockyDog]

Cool. Let him have him honestly. He will not beat Taylor out in 26 anyways. Just bring in Arnold next year and let Taylor sit behind him and let him go in 26

Agreed. MVB is nothing special. He’s been bad the last few games

[State82]

Same shit, different Saturday.

[TrapGame]

At least my petty ass can enjoy the ole miss loss.

[civildawg]

Let's get this momentum back. We can beat this team

[RockyDog]

Lebbro offense works fine when you don’t make knucklehead mistakes

[StarkVegasSteve]

Lebbro offense works fine when you don’t make knucklehead mistakes

It works really well when the other team gives you 30 yds in penalties on one drive.

[RockyDog]

I love a Putzler led defense!!

[msstate7]

The team just isn't getting better. I thought Lebby was a horrible hire during the ASU game, but I've tried to be patient... I was right to start with. To be fair, I don't think anyone is revitalizing this program though.

[paverdog]

The players are just not coached by this DC at all. I sure hope Lebby changes this the off season. This guy has to go..

[RockyDog]

Another trash throw from Martin Van Buren

[Turfdawg67]

OL is trash... makes QBs look worse than they are.

[Turfdawg67]

Another trash throw from Martin Van Buren

Well when a DE comes straight through w/out anyone touching him, that's what happens.

[msugolf]

The team just isn't getting better. I thought Lebby was a horrible hire during the ASU game, but I've tried to be patient... I was right to start with. To be fair, I don't think anyone is revitalizing this program though.

Jon Sumrall was the hire. And he wanted the job too. But our guys didnt want to take a chance on him. Now he will be in position for better jobs

[Dawgology]

The team just isn't getting better. I thought Lebby was a horrible hire during the ASU game, but I've tried to be patient... I was right to start with. To be fair, I don't think anyone is revitalizing this program though.

This is the main issue. The fat lady has sung on the football program. No overall plan (marketing, branding, recruiting, NIL) not to mention game day experience. Will take years to revitalize (if we had the boosters interested) but by then realignment will be over and done with. Move your money to academics.

[msstate7]

What happens first?
Lebby wins an sec game
Jans wins 20 more sec games

[RockyDog]

This is the main issue. The fat lady has sung on the football program. No overall plan (marketing, branding, recruiting, NIL) not to mention game day experience. Will take years to revitalize (if we had the boosters interested) but by then realignment will be over and done with. Move your money to academics.

Can we please stop with the bs excuse blaming everything on marketing? What the PHUCK is there to market right now? We need to stop the bleeding first and THEN focus on selling pom poms.

Do you think Ole Miss was worried about how many klan hoods they moved in Rebel rags when they had 15k in the stands during the Orgeron error?

The bottom has dropped out and we need to fix the damn results on the field and stop whining about a damn cursive logo or the wrong shade of maroon

[HoopsDawg]

The team just isn't getting better. I thought Lebby was a horrible hire during the ASU game, but I've tried to be patient... I was right to start with. To be fair, I don't think anyone is revitalizing this program though.

I think it's too early to judge. I don't see the same incompetence I saw from Moorehead and Arnett.

Defensively is another story. I think it's fair to criticize those hires and portal recruiting.

[DawgFromOxford]

Nothing like getting blown out for the last home game of the season

[PGHBulldogBG]

I’m just concerned because it keeps getting worse. I just don’t believe Sumrall wouldn’t have taken our job if we offered it to him. Not saying it would be much better but this is just a joke in all aspects

[msstate7]

What happens first?
Lebby wins an sec game
Jans wins 20 more sec games

Our sec games next season in football...
At ark
At Florida
Georgia
OM
Tenn
Texas
At mizzou
At aTm

Jans wins 20 before Lebby wins a sec game, but it's january 2026 before it happens.

Our football program is D-E-A-D

[BankerDog]

The players are just not coached by this DC at all. I sure hope Lebby changes this the off season. This guy has to go..

DL getting pushed around like rag dolls. Missed tackles left and right. Ellington is a 5th year guy and still can?t turn his head to ball. Our talent is bad. Really bad.

Came was decided on MVB?s fumble and Jennings missed sack last drive. We need to upgrade talent everywhere and if someone gets mad and pouts-let them leave.

Oh and ASU is making the playoffs. They?re damn good. Hopefully Lebby follows Kenny model

[BankerDog]

What happens first?
Lebby wins an sec game
Jans wins 20 more sec games

Jans has his boosters in the right direction. Hopefully we can keep him around after JHub leaves and build him a place like SMU. That arena was nice and would be a problem for opposing teams at State.

[msstate7]

DL getting pushed around like rag dolls. Missed tackles left and right. Ellington is a 5th year guy and still can?t turn his head to ball. Our talent is bad. Really bad.

Came was decided on MVB?s fumble and Jennings missed sack last drive. We need to upgrade talent everywhere and if someone gets mad and pouts-let them leave.

Oh and ASU is making the playoffs. They?re damn good. Hopefully Lebby follows Kenny model

That turnaround certainly gives hope, but a turnaround in this conf like that is virtually impossible.

[Activated Alpha]

At this point our football program is so toxic we might as well let Art take on a coaching role

[msstate7]

Jans has his boosters in the right direction. Hopefully we can keep him around after JHub leaves and build him a place like SMU. That arena was nice and would be a problem for opposing teams at State.

Losing Jans would be so disheartening

[NCDawg]

Jon Sumrall was the hire. And he wanted the job too. But our guys didnt want to take a chance on him. Now he will be in position for better jobs

Absolutely correct. Our AD wanted his buddy.

[BankerDog]

That turnaround certainly gives hope, but a turnaround in this conf like that is virtually impossible.

We can hope right? Us relying so much on jucos kills me. Our boosters love jucos. Not the 80s and 90s anymore. But we can?t sign classes full of HS kids anymore. I?m interested to see our portal takes. I?ve been told we have put up a lot for portal guys this year. And this was confirmed last night at basketball game by a mega booster in furniture business.

[msstate7]

At this point our football program is so toxic we might as well let Art take on a coaching role

Just let Lebby hire him as OC. Flip birds at the whole country haha

[BankerDog]

Absolutely correct. Our AD wanted his buddy.

I?m tired of this. If he wanted his buddy, it would?ve been Beamer. Can yall shut tf up with this?

[BankerDog]

Just let Lebby hire him as OC. Flip birds at the whole country haha

I, along with others, are on board with it.

[msstate7]

We can hope right? Us relying so much on jucos kills me. Our boosters love jucos. Not the 80s and 90s anymore. But we can?t sign classes full of HS kids anymore. I?m interested to see our portal takes. I?ve been told we have put up a lot for portal guys this year. And this was confirmed last night at basketball game by a mega booster in furniture business.

I like the sound of that. We deaparately need to get back to 6-7 wins next year

[BankerDog]

Losing Jans would be so disheartening

We need to tie our NIL to economic progress in Starkville. I told Vegas and others the blueprint. Just gonna take some serious money to do it. Maybe one of us will win lottery soon

[Coursesuper]

Jans has his boosters in the right direction. Hopefully we can keep him around after JHub leaves and build him a place like SMU. That arena was nice and would be a problem for opposing teams at State.

Booster. There is one that makes that program go.

[BankerDog]

Booster. There is one that makes that program go.

Actually two..

[DownwardDawg]

Jon Sumrall was the hire. And he wanted the job too. But our guys didnt want to take a chance on him. Now he will be in position for better jobs

Many of us knew that but we were told that we were old and stupid.

[DEDawg]

Booth is so slow lol

[DEDawg]

The team just isn't getting better. I thought Lebby was a horrible hire during the ASU game, but I've tried to be patient... I was right to start with. To be fair, I don't think anyone is revitalizing this program though.

You literally flip flop 6 times a season

[starkvegasdawg]

Does this season go any differently if Shapen doesn't get hurt or are we still in the exact same spot we are now?

[HoopsDawg]

Does this season go any differently if Shapen doesn't get hurt or are we still in the exact same spot we are now?

The defense is just so bad. How much for a whole new Dline? 2 million?

[Coursesuper]

Does this season go any differently if Shapen doesn't get hurt or are we still in the exact same spot we are now?

Nope

[RockyDog]

Good catch Atari! Then Martin throws a worm burner

[RockyDog]

Does this season go any differently if Shapen doesn't get hurt or are we still in the exact same spot we are now?

He would have been a 2800-3000 yard passer at worst. But he still wouldn’t have been good enough for the points needed to cover this historically bad defense.

We would have had to have been a 45ppg offense to have a shot at sneaking into a bowl

[RockyDog]

You rush to get another play off and MVB throws a terrible pass and then you run it on 3rd down?

[RockyDog]

Ridiculous QB play. TAKE HIM AUBURN

[EdwardDrayton]

Sometimes our playcalling ........ smh

[StarkVegasSteve]

Lebby has too much Kiffin in him. He needs to learn to take the points in the red zone. Especially when your QB has zero touch on short routes.

[RockyDog]

I, along with others, are on board with it.

It?s a long tired narrative. Is there even any proof that Lebbro and Salmon spent any time together? The assistant AD and the offensive coordinator just hanging together at the OU? Mmhmmm

[EdwardDrayton]

On a side note ..... Stanford versus Cal. It's ...... wait for it ...... an ACC matchup.

[HoopsDawg]

Hutzler, you have to take away something.

[magrooder]

We look like midget key stone cops on d.

[PGHBulldogBG]

First 0-8 SEC year in a long time. Sad part too is that they will all be double digit loses. I don’t even know what to think or say anymore

[StarkVegasSteve]

Hutzler, you have to take away something.

We are stacking 8 in the box, what else do you want him to do? We just have no DL talent. We have no one that can get a push.

[Bothrops]

It's going to be hard hard hard for Lebby to turn this thing around.

[DEDawg]

Hutzler, you have to take away something.
What else could he possibly do? We stack the box and they get 7 yards anytime they want.

[StarkVegasSteve]

It's going to be hard hard hard for Lebby to turn this thing around.

No doubt and I do not think anyone has shied away from saying that. Most of our defense could not start at the G5 level and some could not start at the FCS level. But it is hard to sell a vision for a program and for wins when you are on the 3rd coach in as many years and and the 3rd scheme.

[Activated Alpha]

It's going to be hard hard hard for Lebby to turn this thing around.

That is why I say, bring in Art. Let him recruit or something

[StarkVegasSteve]

Oh look, another sack because Van Buren has no pocket presence.

[BankerDog]

It's going to be hard hard hard for Lebby to turn this thing around.

We have to get talent pool up and in a hurry. No coach can do that without funds. We have for too long relied on ?MS kids?. We don?t have time to develop those kids anymore. We need players and in a hurry. I expect a lot of new faces.

As bad it seems, we have been in most game with the exception of Toledo. It comes down to being able to learn to win and step up when your team needs you. MVB with fumble and skipping the throw on 4th isn?t good. he shouldn?t be doing that by now.

Ellington didn?t even try to deliver a blow on that last TD. He has cost us 2 TDs today. 5th year senior not getting his back turned. Waste of money.

[StarkVegasSteve]

That is why I say, bring in Art. Let him recruit or something

Let him be the OC. Do not let him recruit.

[BankerDog]

What else could he possibly do? We stack the box and they get 7 yards anytime they want.

Our DL is atrocious. Half of these guys and some that we have previously had on the team don?t even belong at USM. It?s embarrassing. Turner needs to go. We need to go get Brian Baker..he was the leader behind DLU.

[BankerDog]

Oh look, another sack because Van Buren has no pocket presence.

They glorified 7on7 way too much haven?t they?

[RockyDog]

Jackson Arnold with Shapen and Taylor as backups will be a good room. All we need is more talent at RB, WR, OL, DL, LB and CB. Is that too much to ask?

[StarkVegasSteve]

And then we throw 3 yds short of the sticks on 4th down.

[BankerDog]

4th and 5 and our TE doesn?t even run a route beyond the marker. Man what a talent!

[Dawgology]

Can we please stop with the bs excuse blaming everything on marketing? What the PHUCK is there to market right now? We need to stop the bleeding first and THEN focus on selling pom poms.

Do you think Ole Miss was worried about how many klan hoods they moved in Rebel rags when they had 15k in the stands during the Orgeron error?

The bottom has dropped out and we need to fix the damn results on the field and stop whining about a damn cursive logo or the wrong shade of maroon
Just to follow up on this. If your program can?t focus on more than one thing at a time then you will never succeed. And, yes, they worried about all that at the worst of time BECAUSE when you do have a good year then you have a solid marketing base to stand on. See? This program, again, has no cohesive direction or overall strategy. This is on the AD and President but even more on our ?big? donors. It?s over. Cooked.

[Brobi-wan]

Jackson Arnold with Shapen and Taylor as backups will be a good room. All we need is more talent at RB, WR, OL, DL, LB and CB. Is that too much to ask?

Well when you put it that way!

[BankerDog]

Jackson Arnold with Shapen and Taylor as backups will be a good room. All we need is more talent at RB, WR, OL, DL, LB and CB. Is that too much to ask?


Theyve told Shapen to move on. We need to upgrade the trenches. This a trenches game and ours on both sides is disappointing

[StarkVegasSteve]

Jackson Arnold with Shapen and Taylor as backups will be a good room. All we need is more talent at RB, WR, OL, DL, LB and CB. Is that too much to ask?

We have talent at RB and WR and we have some pieces at OL. Need more though. Our biggest points of need are DL, CB, and S. We are bad at the defensive LOS and in the defensive backfield.

[Bothrops]

I'm close to convincing myself that most players get worse when they get here.

[BankerDog]

We have talent at RB and WR and we have some pieces at OL. Need more though. Our biggest points of need are DL, CB, and S. We are bad at the defensive LOS and in the defensive backfield.

Bad is putting it nicely, Steve. Embarrassing. Only two or three could play in SEC. But remember we just had to have Ty Cooper when he was in HS! Top player in the state and we should only recruit MS!!

[Bothrops]

We have to get talent pool up and in a hurry. No coach can do that without funds. We have for too long relied on ?MS kids?. We don?t have time to develop those kids anymore. We need players and in a hurry. I expect a lot of new faces.

As bad it seems, we have been in most game with the exception of Toledo. It comes down to being able to learn to win and step up when your team needs you. MVB with fumble and skipping the throw on 4th isn?t good. he shouldn?t be doing that by now.

Ellington didn?t even try to deliver a blow on that last TD. He has cost us 2 TDs today. 5th year senior not getting his back turned. Waste of money.

In other words, we need to spend more than Ole Miss did for 2025?

[StarkVegasSteve]

In other words, we need to spend more than Ole Miss did for 2025?

We probably need to realistically spend 10-12 million to have a chance at 6-7 wins next year.

[Bothrops]

We probably need to realistically spend 10-12 million to have a chance at 6-7 wins next year.

I don't think we could win that many even if we did.

[DEDawg]

We probably need to realistically spend 10-12 million to have a chance at 6-7 wins next year.

Think that gets us 8-9 assuming we keep our WRs

[BankerDog]

I ask this in all seriousness:

Who off of our defense would you recruit if you were another SEC school? Smith? Trevion Williams as depth? Tillman has potential?

They put too much weight on Purvis last year and he lost what made him effective. We see why FSU ran off Hunter Washington and Michigan Morant. None of our ?4*s? are talented.

We have to give Leb some time to really try to upgrade roster. I?d rather take buyout money from Seals and give him some players to see what he can do. But he is gonna have to adjust his OL and DL coaches. Hutz can at least seem to recruit so move him to SC. Upgrade Cliff Odom for a DC (Charlie Strong, Derek Mason, Christian Robinson). At OL, go get Mason Miller/Hev/Bedenbaugh

Corey Bell reminds me of DeShea Townsend.

[Bothrops]

Think that gets us 8-9 assuming we keep our WRs

Lol

[StarkVegasSteve]

I don't think we could win that many even if we did.

Just have to spend it in the right spots with the right players. We cannot have anymore Bingley-Jones, Kpaka, Denaud(who did not even make it past spring), Lanier, Brumfield, etc.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Think that gets us 8-9 assuming we keep our WRs

I will disagree on that one. I see no way we can win 4-5 SEC games next year. That would be assuming that we won all or 3/4 of our non con games.

[RockyDog]

Just to follow up on this. If your program can?t focus on more than one thing at a time then you will never succeed. And, yes, they worried about all that at the worst of time BECAUSE when you do have a good year then you have a solid marketing base to stand on. See? This program, again, has no cohesive direction or overall strategy. This is on the AD and President but even more on our ?big? donors. It?s over. Cooked.

Then let’s just shut it down. If that’s the attitude then why bother. MSU is historically full of quitters which is partly why we are in this situation. Just throw our hands up and pout because big brother is better and we can’t possibly do the things they’ve done.

MSU needs a giant enema, or douche, whichever you prefer, to wash away a lot of the losers that have been associated with the program for generations.

[Coursesuper]

Bad is putting it nicely, Steve. Embarrassing. Only two or three could play in SEC. But remember we just had to have Ty Cooper when he was in HS! Top player in the state and we should only recruit MS!!

Just another Louisville kid that didn?t pan out. All world in high school not in college.

[BankerDog]

Just have to spend it in the right spots with the right players. We cannot have anymore Bingley-Jones, Kpaka, Denaud(who did not even make it past spring), Lanier, Brumfield, etc.

Let me add:

Montreal Miller
RayDar Jones-because he was from Mississippi
Khamuri Rogers-because he was from Mississippi
Ryland Goode
Bringing back Corey Ellington


Jacoby Jackson
Justin Ball.

DeAgo was actually not bad for us. He knew how to play.

[Rawdawg]

A week from today is a big big day for the future of MSU football.

[Bothrops]

We are probably about to embark on some early Croom years, where we won't be able to beat anybody in the league. Even when they're down.

[BankerDog]

Just another Louisville kid that didn?t pan out. All world in high school not in college.

3rd best portal guy is from Louisville. Crazy.

Our fans have historically fixated too much on the top rankings on 24/7. I?ve told Steve this numerous times. Go back the last 15 years and look at the top 15 guys who didn?t pan out. More guys didn?t pan out than did. And the ones who did were low ranked guys.

[Todd4State]

We need to do what Indiana did on a smaller scale. Hire a legit DC and let him bring in his guys from his old school that can play.

That's what college football is becoming. Players who want to play with "their" coaches.

Another reason why it was a mistake to hire Hutzler a position coach at DC. No way he was bringing in anyone with him.

Lebby can attract QB's and WR's.

[BankerDog]

We are probably about to embark on some early Croom years, where we won't be able to beat anybody in the league. Even when they're down.

We aren?t far off. We just need some dudes to takeover.

[PGHBulldogBG]

Then let’s just shut it down. If that’s the attitude then why bother. MSU is historically full of quitters which is partly why we are in this situation. Just throw our hands up and pout because big brother is better and we can’t possibly do the things they’ve done.

MSU needs a giant enema, or douche, whichever you prefer, to wash away a lot of the losers that have been associated with the program for generations.

The funny part about this is that during my lifetime I have seen state go to an SEC title, get to #1 in the college football playoff and they have not done either of those things. No playoff for them this year either. More NCAA hoops tourneys and SEC champs in hoops. Both have a baseball title but we have another baseball final. We have still got more accomplishments than them

[BankerDog]

We need to do what Indiana did on a smaller scale. Hire a legit DC and let him bring in his guys from his old school that can play.

That's what college football is becoming. Players who want to play with "their" coaches.

Another reason why it was a mistake to hire Hutzler a position coach at DC. No way he was bringing in anyone with him.

Lebby can attract QB's and WR's.

He is bringing Tony Mitchell and Hardy and Lockhart. Our best defensive guys..

[Todd4State]

We are probably about to embark on some early Croom years, where we won't be able to beat anybody in the league. Even when they're down.

Croom never went 0-8 I'm pretty sure.

Florida and Kentucky 2004
Ole Miss 2005
Alabama 2006
Several teams in 2007
Vanderbilt and Arkansas 2008.

Let that sink in.

[BankerDog]

The funny part about this is that during my lifetime I have seen state go to an SEC title, get to #1 in the college football playoff and they have not done either of those things. No playoff for them this year either. More NCAA hoops tourneys and SEC champs in hoops. Both have a baseball title but we have another baseball final. We have still got more accomplishments than them

Imagine what happens when we actually decide to pull together again. Lemonis won off Cann?s talent. Mullen?s first year won with Croom?s guys (Croom actually figured it out by his last year recruiting).

As a fanbase it?s time for us to all come together and get after it. We have more money than what people have given us credit for. It?s time to get serious about it.

[Todd4State]

He is bringing Tony Mitchell and Hardy and Lockhart. Our best defensive guys..

Next year maybe. Even then we need more than those three.

[Bothrops]

Croom never went 0-8 I'm pretty sure.

Florida and Kentucky 2004
Ole Miss 2005
Alabama 2006
Several teams in 2007
Vanderbilt and Arkansas 2008.

Let that sink in.

That's correct.

[Brobi-wan]

We aren?t far off. We just need some dudes to takeover.

I don’t think we are either, but I think this offseason we either close the gap or make it a monumental one in the worst way. We’ll know more about next year when the portal opens.

[BankerDog]

Next year maybe. Even then we need more than those three.

Gotta hit portal hard.

[BankerDog]

I don’t think we are either, but I think this offseason we either close the gap or make it a monumental one in the worst way. We’ll know more about next year when the portal opens.

Yep. Gonna have to get some ?hunters? instead of some show dogs.

[Todd4State]

Imagine what happens when we actually decide to pull together again. Lemonis won off Cann?s talent. Mullen?s first year won with Croom?s guys (Croom actually figured it out by his last year recruiting).

As a fanbase it?s time for us to all come together and get after it. We have more money than what people have given us credit for. It?s time to get serious about it.

I don't think the fans are divided at all.

I only know one fan who thinks Hutzler should come back.
Everyone wants stadium upgrades and experience improvements which I personally don't care about that much but I get why others do and I'm not going to complain and be one of the "that doesn't matter" people.
Every poll I've seen has the majority wanting the interlocking MSU to come back.
I haven't seen anyone seriously say that Lebby should be fired.
Our NIL has increased exponentially thanks to Charlie.

I don't see fans not pulling in the same direction.

What I DO see is an athletic department not listening to it's fans and sitting there doing nothing.

[Bothrops]

Imagine what happens when we actually decide to pull together again. Lemonis won off Cann?s talent. Mullen?s first year won with Croom?s guys (Croom actually figured it out by his last year recruiting).

As a fanbase it?s time for us to all come together and get after it. We have more money than what people have given us credit for. It?s time to get serious about it.

Our perception problem also keeps us from getting players.

[Todd4State]

I don’t think we are either, but I think this offseason we either close the gap or make it a monumental one in the worst way. We’ll know more about next year when the portal opens.

He is going to have to get rid of Hutzler or publicly demote him. I just don't see how he could bring him back in the same capacity.

[Rawdawg]

I don’t think we are either, but I think this offseason we either close the gap or make it a monumental one in the worst way. We’ll know more about next year when the portal opens.

No we’re miles off. The amount of players we need to be competitive is staggering. Compound that with the fact we’re not well coached either and it’s a really tough spot we’ve put ourselves in. And as far as coaching goes, Lebby coached a bad game tonight. Not going for 2 and going for in on 4th down instead of taking the points to start the fourth quarter were head scratching.

[Coursesuper]

3rd best portal guy is from Louisville. Crazy.

Our fans have historically fixated too much on the top rankings on 24/7. I?ve told Steve this numerous times. Go back the last 15 years and look at the top 15 guys who didn?t pan out. More guys didn?t pan out than did. And the ones who did were low ranked guys.
Exactly, crazy isn?t it.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I don't think the fans are divided at all.

I only know one fan who thinks Hutzler should come back.
Everyone wants stadium upgrades and experience improvements which I personally don't care about that much but I get why others do and I'm not going to complain and be one of the "that doesn't matter" people.
Every poll I've seen has the majority wanting the interlocking MSU to come back.
I haven't seen anyone seriously say that Lebby should be fired.
Our NIL has increased exponentially thanks to Charlie.

I don't see fans not pulling in the same direction.

What I DO see is an athletic department not listening to it's fans and sitting there doing nothing.

Can you all please stop with the damn logo? You all wanted the script and then got it. Then the minute you got it, you wanted something else. Is it our best logo? Yes. But it is not coming back. It will make comebacks here and there but it will never be the permanent logo.

This is what we are talking about when we mean a divided fan base and not rowing the same direction. We have one faction wanting a new logo, we have one faction wanting us to only play oldies at the game, we have one faction(and you were part of it) that wants to make the M over S the primary school logo, we have yet another faction who refuses to donate because they want it to go back to pre NIL, and we have yet another one that hates Selmon because he does not respond to their emails and tweets telling him how much he sucks and how they could do better.

Whether you like it or not, the quickest way to get united is get behind what the university is pushing. You do not have to like it, but you need to support it.

[Dawgology]

Then let?s just shut it down. If that?s the attitude then why bother. MSU is historically full of quitters which is partly why we are in this situation. Just throw our hands up and pout because big brother is better and we can?t possibly do the things they?ve done.

MSU needs a giant enema, or douche, whichever you prefer, to wash away a lot of the losers that have been associated with the program for generations.

You are correct. We both agree. The athletic department (especially those associated with the football program) needs a complete overhaul. But I?m also a realist. We can?t and won?t make those changes. We haven?t in decades. That?s why we are in this position. It?s all good ol? boys and sycophants. It really doesn?t matter what coach is in there with those people still involved with State sports. It will always be the same results. With realignment a few years out it just doesn?t look good for the program.

[RockyDog]

Can you all please stop with the damn logo? You all wanted the script and then got it. Then the minute you got it, you wanted something else. Is it our best logo? Yes. But it is not coming back. It will make comebacks here and there but it will never be the permanent logo.

This is what we are talking about when we mean a divided fan base and not rowing the same direction. We have one faction wanting a new logo, we have one faction wanting us to only play oldies at the game, we have one faction(and you were part of it) that wants to make the M over S the primary school logo, we have yet another faction who refuses to donate because they want it to go back to pre NIL, and we have yet another one that hates Selmon because he does not respond to their emails and tweets telling him how much he sucks and how they could do better.

Whether you like it or not, the quickest way to get united is get behind what the university is pushing. You do not have to like it, but you need to support it.

Yep. The atmosphere at the stadium sucks because the team blows. Can things be improved? Sure. But whining about it constantly doesn’t help.

We have got a faction of fans acting like the Lebbro-Salmon buddy movie is the downfall of MSU.

Then we have fans wanting to compare the woes of this year and try and argue that Crooms was the damn glory days.

We are a HISTORICALLY bad defense. The time of possession and yardage stats bear that out. Lebby has had to slow the offense to a crawl because the defense blows so hard and then he has to deal with a freshman that has zero pocket presence and then throws easy slant passes into the dirt when we actually have a chance to cut the deficit to one score.

But this is what happens when you employ coaching staffs that think they can just ignore the crootin part of college football and think they are smarter than everybody else. Hint: IT DOESNT WORK. Especially at Mississippi State, a perennial league doormat.

[Dawgology]

The funny part about this is that during my lifetime I have seen state go to an SEC title, get to #1 in the college football playoff and they have not done either of those things. No playoff for them this year either. More NCAA hoops tourneys and SEC champs in hoops. Both have a baseball title but we have another baseball final. We have still got more accomplishments than them

Making my point for me. In the last 20-30 years as a whole Ole Miss has performed at or below our level so then why do you think they are media darlings so often? Let me answer: marketing strategy. Even when you suck. Market the program make it seem like you are great. 85% of the country won?t even know your program is the pits because they don?t follow it they just see marketing that makes it seem that way. Perception turns gradually and you build off that when success arrives no matter how small. This is marketing strategy 101. Something State has never done and will never do.

[HoopsDawg]

Can you all please stop with the damn logo? You all wanted the script and then got it. Then the minute you got it, you wanted something else. Is it our best logo? Yes. But it is not coming back. It will make comebacks here and there but it will never be the permanent logo.

This is what we are talking about when we mean a divided fan base and not rowing the same direction. We have one faction wanting a new logo, we have one faction wanting us to only play oldies at the game, we have one faction(and you were part of it) that wants to make the M over S the primary school logo, we have yet another faction who refuses to donate because they want it to go back to pre NIL, and we have yet another one that hates Selmon because he does not respond to their emails and tweets telling him how much he sucks and how they could do better.

Whether you like it or not, the quickest way to get united is get behind what the university is pushing. You do not have to like it, but you need to support it.

Why don't you get on board with the interlocking logo on the helmet?

[StarkVegasSteve]

Why don't you get on board with the interlocking logo on the helmet?

I literally said it was our best logo. But I know we are not bringing it back full time so I have moved on. It does no good to just continually complain. It makes us look like a disjointed fan base, which is why we look like one right now.

[HoopsDawg]

I literally said it was our best logo. But I know we are not bringing it back full time so I have moved on. It does no good to just continually complain. It makes us look like a disjointed fan base, which is why we look like one right now.

4 good Dlinemen would solve a lot of problems

[StarkVegasSteve]

4 good Dlinemen would solve a lot of problems

We need about 7-8 because we need talent and depth there.

[Todd4State]

Can you all please stop with the damn logo? You all wanted the script and then got it. Then the minute you got it, you wanted something else. Is it our best logo? Yes. But it is not coming back. It will make comebacks here and there but it will never be the permanent logo.

This is what we are talking about when we mean a divided fan base and not rowing the same direction. We have one faction wanting a new logo, we have one faction wanting us to only play oldies at the game, we have one faction(and you were part of it) that wants to make the M over S the primary school logo, we have yet another faction who refuses to donate because they want it to go back to pre NIL, and we have yet another one that hates Selmon because he does not respond to their emails and tweets telling him how much he sucks and how they could do better.

Whether you like it or not, the quickest way to get united is get behind what the university is pushing. You do not have to like it, but you need to support it.

1. I don't care for the script MSU and never have. I certainly never pushed for it when Hardy wanna be was going all in on it. In fact most everything he has pushed for has turned to shit.

2. I never pushed for true M over S to be the primary logo for the University or athletics.

Speaking of Selmon his lack of communication is a major problem. I don't expect him to respond to everything. But we have had athletic directors that were good about communicating the vision of the athletics program in the past and quite honestly if they are going to keep asking us for money giving us an update on the IPF isn't too much of an ask.

A LOT of fans are worried and rightfully so about Hutzler coming back and that being addressed. Everyone sees that he isn't going to work except for Lebby. How do you ask fans to give money and pull forward with a guy whose defense is 130 in the country?

[RezDog7]

We need about 7-8 because we need talent and depth there.

Don't worry, we have 27 Juco's coming next year. We're gonna be the best juco team in the state.

[StarkVegasSteve]

1. I don't care for the script MSU and never have. I certainly never pushed for it when Hardy wanna be was going all in on it. In fact most everything he has pushed for has turned to shit.

2. I never pushed for true M over S to be the primary logo for the University or athletics.

Speaking of Selmon his lack of communication is a major problem. I don't expect him to respond to everything. But we have had athletic directors that were good about communicating the vision of the athletics program in the past and quite honestly if they are going to keep asking us for money giving us an update on the IPF isn't too much of an ask.

A LOT of fans are worried and rightfully so about Hutzler coming back and that being addressed. Everyone sees that he isn't going to work except for Lebby. How do you ask fans to give money and pull forward with a guy whose defense is 130 in the country?

Because better players make bad schemes look better. I also do not think it is a scheme issue. I think there are games we have had a bad scheme(ASU), but a lot of our problem is we have no talent.

I mean what do you want Lebby to do? Come out and say, “Yep guys, Hutzler 17’ing blows. I am going to personally fire him and I will live stream it for you all to watch.”

On Selmon, it has been made VERY clear we are getting an IPF. Hell the baseball coaches are telling every recruit who will listen that they are about to be the sole tenants of the Palmeiro and renderings have already come out for the IPF. We actually already have almost all the funding for it.

[RockyDog]

Because better players make bad schemes look better. I also do not think it is a scheme issue. I think there are games we have had a bad scheme(ASU), but a lot of our problem is we have no talent.

I mean what do you want Lebby to do? Come out and say, “Yep guys, Hutzler 17’ing blows. I am going to personally fire him and I will live stream it for you all to watch.”

On Selmon, it has been made VERY clear we are getting an IPF. Hell the baseball coaches are telling every recruit who will listen that they are about to be the sole tenants of the Palmeiro and renderings have already come out for the IPF. We actually already have almost all the funding for it.

Shhhhh. You are gonna ruin the narrative. Goat and his buddies are so close to uncovering videos from Lebbro and Salmon’s sleepovers in Norman too. They just had the greatest playdates!!

That damn Salmon just needs to share all the information just like his predecessors did! Don’t you remember the constant flow of information from the charming, smiling faces of LT and Cohen??

[StarkVegasSteve]

Shhhhh. You are gonna ruin the narrative. Goat and his buddies are so close to uncovering videos from Lebbro and Salmon’s sleepovers in Norman too. They just had the greatest playdates!!

I mean I get people are pissed, but if you think firing the DC is going to magically solve our talent issue then you are mistaken. Also if you think you are going to hire a top DC and the HC and boosters of that school are just going to let their players waltz out the door you are also mistaken.

I mean maybe this scheme is better when you have actual P4 players starting instead of FCS players playing against SEC competition

[Todd4State]

Because better players make bad schemes look better. I also do not think it is a scheme issue. I think there are games we have had a bad scheme(ASU), but a lot of our problem is we have no talent.

I mean what do you want Lebby to do? Come out and say, “Yep guys, Hutzler 17’ing blows. I am going to personally fire him and I will live stream it for you all to watch.”

On Selmon, it has been made VERY clear we are getting an IPF. Hell the baseball coaches are telling every recruit who will listen that they are about to be the sole tenants of the Palmeiro and renderings have already come out for the IPF. We actually already have almost all the funding for it.

I don't think the scheme is bad as far as X's and O's of it. I do agree that talent is a major issue. But I also think that Hutzler has been awful at coaching it and putting them in a position to succeed. I don't believe we have 130th defense in the country bad talent. I think it's 80-90- which is still pretty bad.

What I am talking about with Hutzler is the rumors that he is coming back. I'm hearing it from pretty reputable people who are not Steve and Robbie. I'm sure you are too. I'm sure many of our fans are hearing it too- I know that Steve and Robbie have alluded to it as well. We all know it's not going to work with him at DC. MSU fans have been through this before with football coaches being overly loyal to their friends who are really not very good coaches and it holds the entire program back. I think you are confused because I did not mean for my point about Hutzler to be a part of my point about AD communication. I meant for it to be a completely separate point.

What I am saying is if you want people to pull in the same direction MSU HAS TO start to at the very least give some fans some hope. I mean I could sit there and go along with it but I know it's not going to work and I know the only thing that IS going to get people back is a winning team first and foremost. Like I said the fans are way more in the same direction as far as what they want but MSU isn't doing anything to help any of it. It's frustrating and disappointing because they look incompetent and don't give a shit. And then the fans get told that they're the problem for not showing up? WTF?

[SPMT]

You are correct. We both agree. The athletic department (especially those associated with the football program) needs a complete overhaul. But I?m also a realist. We can?t and won?t make those changes. We haven?t in decades. That?s why we are in this position. It?s all good ol? boys and sycophants. It really doesn?t matter what coach is in there with those people still involved with State sports. It will always be the same results. With realignment a few years out it just doesn?t look good for the program.

While I?m sure there could be some tightening up of admin, the team really needs two primary things:

1. D line
1. O line


Without that we don?t have a shot. Bear and Saban couldn?t win without those serviceable groups. When both groups are serviceable we will be good.

I don?t know if it?s coaching or talent, my gut says it?s primarily talent and the coaches need to upgrade that.

[SPMT]

I don't think the scheme is bad as far as X's and O's of it. I do agree that talent is a major issue. But I also think that Hutzler has been awful at coaching it and putting them in a position to succeed. I don't believe we have 130th defense in the country bad talent. I think it's 80-90- which is still pretty bad.

What I am talking about with Hutzler is the rumors that he is coming back. I'm hearing it from pretty reputable people who are not Steve and Robbie. I'm sure you are too. I'm sure many of our fans are hearing it too- I know that Steve and Robbie have alluded to it as well. We all know it's not going to work with him at DC. MSU fans have been through this before with football coaches being overly loyal to their friends who are really not very good coaches and it holds the entire program back. I think you are confused because I did not mean for my point about Hutzler to be a part of my point about AD communication. I meant for it to be a completely separate point.

What I am saying is if you want people to pull in the same direction MSU HAS TO start to at the very least give some fans some hope. I mean I could sit there and go along with it but I know it's not going to work and I know the only thing that IS going to get people back is a winning team first and foremost. Like I said the fans are way more in the same direction as far as what they want but MSU isn't doing anything to help any of it. It's frustrating and disappointing because they look incompetent and don't give a shit. And then the fans get told that they're the problem for not showing up? WTF?

Hutzler is coming back because we can?t afford to fire him.

[Todd4State]

I mean I get people are pissed, but if you think firing the DC is going to magically solve our talent issue then you are mistaken. Also if you think you are going to hire a top DC and the HC and boosters of that school are just going to let their players waltz out the door you are also mistaken.

I mean maybe this scheme is better when you have actual P4 players starting instead of FCS players playing against SEC competition

Getting a new DC could certainly help. See Todd Grantham replacing Peter Sirmon. James Madison let their players go to Indiana. New Mexico State let their players go to Vanderbilt. If we hired Greg Gasperato from Tulane there's not a whole lot they could do if their players want to play in the SEC.

[Todd4State]

Hutzler is coming back because we can?t afford to fire him.

That's not what I have been told by multiple people. It's more about his friendship with Lebby.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Getting a new DC could certainly help. See Todd Grantham replacing Peter Sirmon. James Madison let their players go to Indiana. New Mexico State let their players go to Vanderbilt. If we hired Greg Gasperato from Tulane there's not a whole lot they could do if their players want to play in the SEC.

But what if Jon Sumrall asks them to stay. Or what if Jon Sumrall gets the UK job. Also with those other two schools you mentioned, they were following the HC and not a coordinator.

[SPMT]

That's not what I have been told by multiple people. It's more about his friendship with Lebby.

I hope you are right. I scoffed at us not being able to afford. I guess it could be true?

[StarkVegasSteve]

That's not what I have been told by multiple people. It's more about his friendship with Lebby.

It is more about the fact that Lebby knows we have no talent on defense. He got saddled with David Turner, who cannot recruit or coach anymore and Lebby and the rest of the staff on defense were having to recruit with one hand tied behind their back because Darcel McBath was out messaging DBs to not sign with State because he was pissed Lebby did not keep him. I guess people conveniently forget that little nugget.

[Todd4State]

I hope you are right. I scoffed at us not being able to afford. I guess it could be true?

We could afford to buy him out. It would literally cost about as much as it would cost to buy out our baseball coaching staff.

And then we have the legendary Leo Seal money that people forget about so that we can fire coaches if needed. Allegedly.

[Todd4State]

It is more about the fact that Lebby knows we have no talent on defense. He got saddled with David Turner, who cannot recruit or coach anymore and Lebby and the rest of the staff on defense were having to recruit with one hand tied behind their back because Darcel McBath was out messaging DBs to not sign with State because he was pissed Lebby did not keep him. I guess people conveniently forget that little nugget.

I wonder what he thinks about us getting clowned on by multiple experts publicly for lining up wrong? Keeping Turner was a massive mistake. McBath is an asshole.

[Ranchdawg]

Shhhhh. You are gonna ruin the narrative. Goat and his buddies are so close to uncovering videos from Lebbro and Salmon?s sleepovers in Norman too. They just had the greatest playdates!!

That damn Salmon just needs to share all the information just like his predecessors did! Don?t you remember the constant flow of information from the charming, smiling faces of LT and Cohen??

Cohen might had been full of shit but he was almost weekly on sports talk radio. He might had been spewing lies but at least he had the nads to be interviewed by anyone. At least Cohen the fan base hope. And I was not a Cohen fan and should have never been given the job.

Mullen when he first came to State he kept repeating that he had come here to win championships. Was that a lie sure but it gave the fan base hope. He also would do an interview with anyone.

Selmon has done very little interviews. And damn sure hasn?t given the fan base that anything is going to change from the pile of crap that is in the football offices and on the field. Lebby also has done very little to give the fan base HOPE!

So the fan base is supposed to give and give, then attend all games and stay in our seats till the end of the game even when it is some of the worst football in Div.1

Being AD is more than just running a department. Head football coaches are more than just Xand O. Both have to reach out to the common fan.

[Turfdawg67]

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