Hiring Coleman Hutzler

[Todd4State]

Was a massive mistake by Jeff Lebby.

There are a lot of needs that our football program has right now and that has been hashed and rehashed over and over again. But the reality is that with a competent DC I have to believe that we are probably looking at a 6-6 type team right now instead of 2-10. And it's really hurting us in other areas such as recruiting as well.

I'm sure that we are going to hire a new DC in the offseason and try to fix it so I'm not going to go crazy over it but I will say this about it. We should NEVER hire an inexperienced DC ever again unless our head coach is a DC himself like a Mark Stoops or something. When you look at Hutzler's resume' and you compare it to other DC's in the SEC it's really mind blowing that a SEC team would ever hire a guy like him as their DC. And things like that are why MSU fails at football time and time again.

People want to blame Keenum, LED lights, NIL, Cohen, baseball fans, Selmon, etc. but the real cause of the issue is we made an incompetent hire and here we are. Until MSU starts making smart decisions in football then we're not going to go forward. Period.

[Ranchdawg]

Hired an assistant AD that had never been in the SEC and yes the SEC is different than other conferences. Then this AD hires his buddy that had never been a head coach from the school he came from. Then this head coach hires his buddy that only been co-defense coordinator for one year and the rest of of his career had been a special teams coach. What could possibly go wrong! This is so typical MSU!

[Coldsleeve Jr.]

The string of decision making since ML died has been amateur at best

[AROB44]

Please enlighten me as to which DC would actually make this defense better this season. I don't think Saban could. The lack of talent seems apparent to me, but I understand that the message board answer is always to fire someone.

[Pancho]

I tend to agree. who else was considered for DC, and who turned lebby down? buddy ryan couldn't help this list of defensive players

[Ranchdawg]

Please enlighten me as to which DC would actually make this defense better this season. I don't think Saban could. The lack of talent seems apparent to me, but I understand that the message board answer is always to fire someone.

Might start with a defensive coordinator that had been a D coordinator longer than one year!

[Pancho]

how many DC's with experience showed interest?

[basedog]

I will say this again, we are showing some improvements on defense, now, is it enough, no but missing a few starters has really hurt with no depth. The past few years has killed out program, yes NIL has set us back but Lebby should be given some time. He like our freshman QB will or should be much better next year. Lebby has some big decisions to make, he seems like a smart Coach. I think way too much talk of Ole Dixie's success on ED has gotten out of hand. I don't watch Ole Dixie and could care less except I hope they lose, LOL.

Btw, I have a good friend who is close to folks in the know in our Athletic Department, he tells me different on what many here on EL say or post. Yes, we are the worse football team in the Sec and it ain't all on our AD or HC in football.

Lastly, I have a hunch we may beat Missouri, I know it's iffy but OUR team hasn't quit, it is lack of talent. Maybe we can get LED lights before the game***

[basedog]

Might start with a defensive coordinator that had been a D coordinator longer than one year!

The defense played decent last night, our OLine played ok with running game, they sucked once again in pass protection, way to slow. TN defensive backs are maybe the best in the SEC.
Defense played really good in red zone, big thing was Tn running game, they have the best RB in the conference.

I ain't trying to sugar coat things, I just see the effort and the lack of talent!

[Ranchdawg]

I try hard not to put this defense woes on the players. Yes we are lacking talent no doubt. But to hire a d coordinator that has had little to no experience and been a special teams coordinator most of his coaching career is wrong! And defense players currently hurt does not excuse the earlier games that we looked totally not prepared. Having game after game with a secondary that was repeatedly not anywhere near opposing receivers, a d-line that has been pushed around like jr. high, dead last in sacks and very little pass rush is not because a couple of players are hurt. IMO.

Nobody knows who we could’ve gotten for D coordinator unless you were in the room.

Edited to say I watched very little of the Tenner game so I didn’t get to see the improvement. Probably the first time in a long time I wasn’t at the game or didn’t watch on tv.

[Coursesuper]

The defense played decent last night, our OLine played ok with running game, they sucked once again in pass protection, way to slow. TN defensive backs are maybe the best in the SEC.
Defense played really good in red zone, big thing was Tn running game, they have the best RB in the conference.

I ain't trying to sugar coat things, I just see the effort and the lack of talent!

^^^^^^^^^^ This!

[tcdog70]

We are #1 in making stupid hires.From Shria, Croom, Ray, till today.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Gene Chizik, Charlie Strong or any of the other former head coaches that are now just analyst for Bama or Georgia.

[Todd4State]

Gene Chizik, Charlie Strong or any of the other former head coaches that are now just analyst for Bama or Georgia.

I would take Chizik over Hutzler and I think Chizik sucks.

[NCDawg]

Hired an assistant AD that had never been in the SEC and yes the SEC is different than other conferences. Then this AD hires his buddy that had never been a head coach from the school he came from. Then this head coach hires his buddy that only been co-defense coordinator for one year and the rest of of his career had been a special teams coach. What could possibly go wrong! This is so typical MSU!

I agree. The AD we hired then hired his buddy from U of O who was an assistant, and passed over a proven good HC who is now coaching at Tulane and doing a great job.

[Political Hack]

Players aren't tackling. SEC level talent... can't tackle.

The 2nd half TD @ UGA where we just gave up on the five yard line and let the WR walk into the end zone epitomizes this defense. They aren't playing hard. They don't play for each other. They won't put their bodies on the line. They don't tackle.

[Cooterpoot]

The string of decision making since ML died has been amateur at best

You mean like Leach's stupid ass alienating all the instate recruits by putting his little recruiting nazi over it all? These poor decisions have been with every coach. Mullen, Croom, Jackie all made their share of mistakes. Moorhead was an idiot. It's when they don't correct the problem that it bites them.

[Cooterpoot]

The defense played decent last night, our OLine played ok with running game, they sucked once again in pass protection, way to slow. TN defensive backs are maybe the best in the SEC.
Defense played really good in red zone, big thing was Tn running game, they have the best RB in the conference.

I ain't trying to sugar coat things, I just see the effort and the lack of talent!

TN offense hasn't been good and they scored the most in an SEC game this season with a backup QB. We are damn awful on defense and really, dumpster fire is a more accurate description. There's no improvement beyond our offense being better.

[Randolph Dupree]

The fact that the dude still has his job is amazing. I've read on here that there's now way he's demoted and we pay him $1M/yr for a position coach but fact is we're going to pay that anyway soooo? I don't know why the dude still has his job but the longer he hangs onto it the more something like that makes sense. Pretty sure Venebals is going to be available at the end of the year but that's not realistic....hopefully there are some good candidates that can bring some guys with them.

[Cooterpoot]

The fact that the dude still has his job is amazing. I've read on here that there's now way he's demoted and we pay him $1M/yr for a position coach but fact is we're going to pay that anyway soooo? I don't know why the dude still has his job but the longer he hangs onto it the more something like that makes sense. Pretty sure Venebals is going to be available at the end of the year but that's not realistic....hopefully there are some good candidates that can bring some guys with them.

No way we tie up over $2MM per year to have two DC types on the staff. A proven guy will cost you over $1MM.

[basedog]

TN offense hasn't been good and they scored the most in an SEC game this season with a backup QB. We are damn awful on defense and really, dumpster fire is a more accurate description. There's no improvement beyond our offense being better.

Backup QB gave them 13 points.

[Cowbell]

Please enlighten me as to which DC would actually make this defense better this season. I don't think Saban could. The lack of talent seems apparent to me, but I understand that the message board answer is always to fire someone.

Talent doesn't make you out of position - there is always someone out of position on our defense

[Todd4State]

No way we tie up over $2MM per year to have two DC types on the staff. A proven guy will cost you over $1MM.

MSU is going to start to have to make some decisions that involves spending money. Hutzler was a bad hire financially and on the field as well.

If Lebby insists on keeping him on staff and Hutzler is willing to take a demotion (I doubt it) then we're better off overpaying than just standing there bragging about how fiscally responsible we are while we give up 36 PPG again and we let another recruiting class slip through our fingers all while getting Lebby on the hot seat which he and MSU can not afford at this point.

It's time for MSU to get their head out of their ass for once.

[Cooterpoot]

MSU is going to start to have to make some decisions that involves spending money. Hutzler was a bad hire financially and on the field as well.

If Lebby insists on keeping him on staff and Hutzler is willing to take a demotion (I doubt it) then we're better off overpaying than just standing there bragging about how fiscally responsible we are while we give up 36 PPG again and we let another recruiting class slip through our fingers all while getting Lebby on the hot seat which he and MSU can not afford at this point.

It's time for MSU to get their head out of their ass for once.

We'd be paying in the area of the highest figure for a DC in the country if we had a combined salary of $2.3MM+. That would be foolish. Just fire the guy if we're willing to spend that.

[Ranchdawg]

My god there has to be a PROVEN G5 d coordinator that we could hire that with what we are paying now if not a little more. WE/MSU has to decide whether we want play for real in the SEC or just have year after year losing seasons and have kids out high school choosing not going to attend MSU for their education because it is so important to have excitement for the students on game day. At least when I was at State football weekends were a huge deal and you could feel the excitement game day. No it is the sole reason to choose a school to attend for your education but it is part of equation. Just ask Bama how many students they have gained in the last ten years because of their winning.

[SPMT]

I have heard that Lenny doesn?t value defense, in that he plans to win 60-56. Faulty strategy for big time desires.

Ole Miss defense is good and Golding looks better than he did at Bama. Makes me wonder if Saban kept the reigns on him. Saban is the goat but all coaches make mistakes.

[Todd4State]

We'd be paying in the area of the highest figure for a DC in the country if we had a combined salary of $2.3MM+. That would be foolish. Just fire the guy if we're willing to spend that.

And I am all for firing Hutzler.

[Todd4State]

My god there has to be a PROVEN G5 d coordinator that we could hire that with what we are paying now if not a little more. WE/MSU has to decide whether we want play for real in the SEC or just have year after year losing seasons and have kids out high school choosing not going to attend MSU for their education because it is so important to have excitement for the students on game day. At least when I was at State football weekends were a huge deal and you could feel the excitement game day. No it is the sole reason to choose a school to attend for your education but it is part of equation. Just ask Bama how many students they have gained in the last ten years because of their winning.

Hell Adam Fuller just became available. He would be a good hire IMO.

[Todd4State]

I have heard that Lenny doesn?t value defense, in that he plans to win 60-56. Faulty strategy for big time desires.

Ole Miss defense is good and Golding looks better than he did at Bama. Makes me wonder if Saban kept the reigns on him. Saban is the goat but all coaches make mistakes.

I kind of doubt that. Now keeping Hutzler will make him look like he thinks like that.

[TrapGame]

I kind of doubt that. Now keeping Hutzler will make him look like he thinks like that.

If Lebby keeps Hutz and says some BS about he just needs more talent, I'm done. We will be hiring another coach after year three. And my give a damn will be completely gone by then.

We have all seen G5 DCs with defenses with less talent than us go against SEC offenses and give them hell. Hutz is a bad DC and the lack of talent just makes it worse.He doesn't have the experience to get the most out of what he has.

[Cooterpoot]

And I am all for firing Hutzler.

I don't like to say I want someone fired, but I can't see it working out. Might he get another year? Decent chance probably but Lebby loses support if he does. If I'm the boss man, I want as many shareholders on my side as I can get.

[Todd4State]

If Lebby keeps Hutz and says some BS about he just needs more talent, I'm done. We will be hiring another coach after year three. And my give a damn will be completely gone by then.

We have all seen G5 DCs with defenses with less talent than us go against SEC offenses and give them hell. Hutz is a bad DC and the lack of talent just makes it worse.He doesn't have the experience to get the most out of what he has.

Great minds think alike.

[Todd4State]

I don't like to say I want someone fired, but I can't see it working out. Might he get another year? Decent chance probably but Lebby loses support if he does. If I'm the boss man, I want as many shareholders on my side as I can get.

I agree. I can't see it working out like that. The whole Hutzler staying around as ST coach never made sense to me.

[Todd4State]

Plus to add to my last post- right or wrong losing the Egg Bowl causes more drastic changes in MSU football than anything else.

Right or wrong.

[confucius say]

MSU is going to start to have to make some decisions that involves spending money. Hutzler was a bad hire financially and on the field as well.

If Lebby insists on keeping him on staff and Hutzler is willing to take a demotion (I doubt it) then we're better off overpaying than just standing there bragging about how fiscally responsible we are while we give up 36 PPG again and we let another recruiting class slip through our fingers all while getting Lebby on the hot seat which he and MSU can not afford at this point.

It's time for MSU to get their head out of their ass for once.

We'd have the money to buyout our DC and hire another one if our AD didn't spend 7 figures to redo his own office so it would look more modern.

[Matt3467]

Norvell just fired both offensive and defensive coordinators and WR coach. I know that's FSU but it'd be nice if our admin acted like they cared about winning.

[Todd4State]

We'd have the money to buyout our DC and hire another one if our AD didn't spend 7 figures to redo his own office so it would look more modern.

If we can't buy out our DC then we can't buy out anyone at MSU.

I'm not buying that we can't buy out our stupid DC.

[TheLostDawg]

If we can't buy out our DC then we can't buy out anyone at MSU.

I'm not buying that we can't buy out our stupid DC.

Yeah. We make more money now than we did when Dan was here from the SEC, media and look at how much we were going to pay him and his staff. I just don't buy it. Where is all that extra money? No one had an answer to this

[SPMT]

I kind of doubt that. Now keeping Hutzler will make him look like he thinks like that.

It sounds ridiculous and I hope it?s not true.

[BigDawg81]

If we can't buy out our DC then we can't buy out anyone at MSU.

I'm not buying that we can't buy out our stupid DC. If State cannot buy out an assistant coach, what are we doing? We might as well be in the Sunbelt.

[BankerDog]

If we can't buy out our DC then we can't buy out anyone at MSU.

I'm not buying that we can't buy out our stupid DC.

I?ll take that money and buy players then be a judge. Between having ex coaches on a payroll and a team to field, people aren?t just gonna be able to keep firing folks. And no one here has said who they?d go after in typical State fashion.

If a move is made, there are three to four on a short list:

Wes Goodwin-Clemson, State Alum
Christian Robinson-Bama, former State coach under Grantham
Stephen Adegoke- Texans, former State player under Mullen. Has been with Harbaugh at Michigan and DeMeco Ryan?s right hand since entering NFL.
Derek Mason

[BankerDog]

Yeah. We make more money now than we did when Dan was here from the SEC, media and look at how much we were going to pay him and his staff. I just don't buy it. Where is all that extra money? No one had an answer to this

Well Keenum took a lot of it and spent it on academics. That?s a story for another day..

[confucius say]

If we can't buy out our DC then we can't buy out anyone at MSU.

I'm not buying that we can't buy out our stupid DC.

Oh I'm not saying we don't have the money.
I'm saying if we spend it buying out a DC then that's money we have to take from somewhere else.

This admin is spending money like we have never done before. And everything we have is allocated somewhere. That's why they ran off our CFO who dared to tell them that spending 600k on a press conference and 7 figures to redo the AD office might not be money well spent.

[confucius say]

Yeah. We make more money now than we did when Dan was here from the SEC, media and look at how much we were going to pay him and his staff. I just don't buy it. Where is all that extra money? No one had an answer to this

We also spend alot more. Including a new line item of 23 million yearly starting in 2025 for revenue sharing.

[confucius say]

If State cannot buy out an assistant coach, what are we doing? We might as well be in the Sunbelt.

We can. It's all about where we want to spend money though.

[tcdog70]

Our defensive talent isn't as bad as it looks. We have some players, but the coaching and schemes just plain suck. also you don't have to worrying about targeting with our defense--nobody is aggressive.

[NCDawg]

Our defensive talent isn't as bad as it looks. We have some players, but the coaching and schemes just plain suck. also you don't have to worrying about targeting with our defense--nobody is aggressive.


I'm not sure our defense could be a whole lot better no matter who we hire. There is only so much you can coach with players who aren't strong or fast, and don't have the desire.

[HancockCountyDog]

Here is an unpopular take - I thought we played a little bit better against UT. There is so little talent, but overall i thought we made them earn it.

Except for the Arkansas game, I've thought we played better. We are so screwed from a personnel standpoint, I think we actually did ok the last few games.

I think we give Mizzou a game.

[confucius say]

Here is an unpopular take - I thought we played a little bit better against UT. There is so little talent, but overall i thought we made them earn it.

Except for the Arkansas game, I've thought we played better. We are so screwed from a personnel standpoint, I think we actually did ok the last few games.

I think we give Mizzou a game.

Ark is the outlier. All other games since Florida have been meh with spots of improvement considering the lack of talent.
Ark is the only game we were without Russel, KBJ, Dinkins, and Trevion. Not a coincidence. Having Russel and Trevion back helped Saturday.

[Ranchdawg]

Yeah. We make more money now than we did when Dan was here from the SEC, media and look at how much we were going to pay him and his staff. I just don't buy it. Where is all that extra money? No one had an answer to this

IMO ?No one had an answer to this? lies a huge part of the problem. Yes nobody is preaching to the common fan/alum what their vision is for our program. Nobody from the president down to the water boy is saying anything that will instill hope. Nothing but crickets! Come on! You got to have a spokesman for our program and usually that spokesperson is the AD. But we have had very little from anyone. Damn it Selmon get out of your tower and tell that we have a chance going forward. Even if it is a lie just give us some information and hope. Or continue on same path and you will lose what is left of a dwindling fan base.

[Cooterpoot]

Ark is the outlier. All other games since Florida have been meh with spots of improvement considering the lack of talent.
Ark is the only game we were without Russel, KBJ, Dinkins, and Trevion. Not a coincidence. Having Russel and Trevion back helped Saturday.

Naw, every single team has had a player with a season or all time high or the team does. Cun*zler back means Lebby is a three year coach and we're looking for a coach again.

[SPMT]

Naw, every single team has had a player with a season or all time high or the team does. Cun*zler back means Lebby is a three year coach and we're looking for a coach again.

He needs to go. Mullen would not tolerate this garbage. And he?s a good one to look at for success at a less powerful school.

[Goldendawg]

He needs to go. Mullen would not tolerate this garbage. And he?s a good one to look at for success at a less powerful school.

But, but he was the ST/LB coach at bama and is our rookie HC's buddy. Saw this movie last year, but a much worse result this year.