So this is what hell is like

[KOdawg1]

-We lose again on the way to a 2-10 season

-OM defeats UGA and has a very good shot at making the playoff

-They're about to flip 5* Caleb Cunningham from Bama; a kid in our backyard at Ackerman

-We have quite literally the worst defense and defensive coaching staff in America

-We need to hit the portal hard and overhaul this roster, but no one worth a damn is signing up to help rebuild a 2 win team

-Next year's schedule is just as tough; another 2-5 win season incoming

We're in hell fellas

[Bothrops]

Indeed it is. But we improve to 4-8 next season.

[BeardoMSU]

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[civildawg]

I didn't realize they were in the game with Cunningham, nice

[Todd4State]

I think a quality defensive coordinator could make a big difference for us. We're just so putrid there. And yes we need players too.

We're going to have to do what MSU hates doing most and that's actually spending and overspending on players.

[KOdawg1]

I didn't realize they were in the game with Cunningham, nice

Yep. If we were worth a shit, he'd be our's, but alas, we are not.

He's OM bound

[Bothrops]

I think a quality defensive coordinator could make a big difference for us. We're just so putrid there. And yes we need players too.

We're going to have to do what MSU hates doing most and that's actually spending and overspending on players.

That's what I'm afraid of. We spend a fortune to get 1 or 2 bigtime transfers on defense with the rest being pickovers, while spending the rest trying to keep experienced receivers from taking very attractive offers to OM, AU, Bama, Fla, etc.

[MoreCowbell]

I have completely checked out. Honestly forgot we had a game, just checked score.

To have been told that 10 years ago I would not have believed it.

[Coursesuper]

Oh not yet, there is more of this fun to come for a while.

[basedog]

One thing about this team, yes we are really bad but they don’t give up, they just aren’t very talented. We played Tn closer than I thought we would, maybe the best game this defense has played so far.

[EdwardDrayton]

Oh not yet, there is more of this fun to come for a while.

^^^^^^^^^

[TheLostDawg]

If ole miss was in our shoes, they'd have everyone donating to get back on track. Our fans, well, see above.

We need a good dc and some good DL/ol. Keep our good player and we'll look much better next year. If we have the money to go all out and hire a great DC and defensive staf that would go a long way. Not sure where all the money we've been saving all these years went by hiring all new coaches and staff. We haven't made any big hires since pulling Grantham that I'm aware of

[BeardoMSU]

Om flipping Cunningham from Bama and reloading for next year after making a run the playoffs this year will reeeeaaaalllly hurt, too.

[Todd4State]

That's what I'm afraid of. We spend a fortune to get 1 or 2 bigtime transfers on defense with the rest being pickovers, while spending the rest trying to keep experienced receivers from taking very attractive offers to OM, AU, Bama, Fla, etc.

That could get us to 6-6 though. I would take that for next year

[Todd4State]

If ole miss was in our shoes, they'd have everyone donating to get back on track. Our fans, well, see above.

We need a good dc and some good DL/ol. Keep our good player and we'll look much better next year. If we have the money to go all out and hire a great DC and defensive staf that would go a long way. Not sure where all the money we've been saving all these years went by hiring all new coaches and staff. We haven't made any big hires since pulling Grantham that I'm aware of

I think we see that this offseason honestly.

MSU needs to show more fan service too. Get the damn LED lights and stuff like that. Enough of "well we need to see what revenue sharing looks like". F that. And more of the interlocking MSU.

[TNDawg35]

Om flipping Cunningham from Bama and reloading for next year after making a run the playoffs this year will reeeeaaaalllly hurt, too.

They aren't flipping him. Hell, every time the kid takes a visit, On3 puts him a crystal ball to that school. Remember who runs On3...

[KOdawg1]

They aren't flipping him. Hell, every time the kid takes a visit, On3 puts him a crystal ball to that school. Remember who runs On3...
False. They haven't crystal balled him every time he takes a visit.

Chad Simmons and Steve Wiltfong both have him CB'd to OM now which means he's flipping to OM

[ArrowDawg]

I think a quality defensive coordinator could make a big difference for us. We're just so putrid there. And yes we need players too.

We're going to have to do what MSU hates doing most and that's actually spending and overspending on players.

I honestly don't think our administration gives a shit.

[Todd4State]

I honestly don't think our administration gives a shit.

I think they give a shit but they don't have a clue how to win.

Like I said hiring Hutzler would never happen at any other SEC school besides Vanderbilt. It's just obviously bad decisions like that which kill the program.

And then MSU hires someone like Mike Leach that has a good vision and is successful and wins at MSU but they want to blow that up because of selfish football ignorant reasons to go back to what didn't work before.

[Leeshouldveflanked]

Hell will come in 2025 when Ole Miss wins the Natty in Football in January, Jans leaves for Florida and Baseball finishes bottom 3rd of SEC and Lemonis signs an extension.

[Interpolation_Dawg_EX]

I think they give a shit but they don't have a clue how to win.

Like I said hiring Hutzler would never happen at any other SEC school besides Vanderbilt. It's just obviously bad decisions like that which kill the program.

And then MSU hires someone like Mike Leach that has a good vision and is successful and wins at MSU but they want to blow that up because of selfish football ignorant reasons to go back to what didn't work before.


And you don't think Hutlzer has ever seen what it takes to win at Bama? Saban himself would be at the bottom with this group and if you can't see the improvement from game one to now on that side of the ball, then you don't want to.

Hiring Leach set us back a decade. For all his vision, his system gutted the traditional roster makeup and his recruiting left Hutzler in this shit sandwich with no DL. Thank goodness for the portal so we can flip it more quickly.

[MBDawg601]

And you don't think Hutlzer has ever seen what it takes to win at Bama? Saban himself would be at the bottom with this group and if you can't see the improvement from game one to now on that side of the ball, then you don't want to.

Hiring Leach set us back a decade. For all his vision, his system gutted the traditional roster makeup and his recruiting left Hutzler in this shit sandwich with no DL. Thank goodness for the portal so we can flip it more quickly.

Hiring Leach, who won here with a G5 qb set us back a decade?


Hiring first time head coaches has set us back 10 years. He is the only coach in recent history we have hired that can run a program. Most of the players from Leach have graduated or transferred out.

[R2Dawg]

I think we see that this offseason honestly.

MSU needs to show more fan service too. Get the damn LED lights and stuff like that. Enough of "well we need to see what revenue sharing looks like". F that. And more of the interlocking MSU.

Lets keep the Script State until it looks like we have righted the ship. The State is already attached to losing and suck. That is what everyone thinks when they now see it, lets no ruin interlocking MSU because that is a winning look.

[R2Dawg]

I think they give a shit but they don't have a clue how to win.

Like I said hiring Hutzler would never happen at any other SEC school besides Vanderbilt. It's just obviously bad decisions like that which kill the program.

And then MSU hires someone like Mike Leach that has a good vision and is successful and wins at MSU but they want to blow that up because of selfish football ignorant reasons to go back to what didn't work before.

The Leach effect is half the reason we are where we are. Dang give it up already. No one is against passing the football but the way Leach did it is how to kill a program in the SEC.

The formula to win in football ain't AR. Look at every NC team and contender forever - none ran AR. Football is easy - control LOS, good players, coaching, right attitude.

[R2Dawg]

Hiring Leach, who won here with a G5 qb set us back a decade?


Hiring first time head coaches has set us back 10 years. He is the only coach in recent history we have hired that can run a program. Most of the players from Leach have graduated or transferred out.

G5 QB was Leach pick. He ran off Shrader. Leach recruiting is what dug us a hole. Those that preach we must change with the times hold on to Leach who held to 50-70 year old mentality how to manage a roster and 90s version of wishbone.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I think we see that this offseason honestly.

MSU needs to show more fan service too. Get the damn LED lights and stuff like that. Enough of "well we need to see what revenue sharing looks like". F that. And more of the interlocking MSU.

I never understood how much of a difference the LED lights make until yesterday. I was in Oxford and let me tell you, their stadium atmosphere is MILES ahead of us. Number one, their fans damn nest stood the entire game and were engaged in what was going on. Number 2, the lights. They get everyone going. I mean they had 60-70 year olds dancing to Throw It Up. We have fans that threaten to pull their funding if we play any rap. They would rather hear Friends in Low Places or Redneck Yacht Club. Lastly, they let their fans on the field with time still remaining. We would have had University cops trying to arrest little kids had that been Mississippi State. It is just another way the administration actively tries to take the fun out of things. We have not flooded the field since 04. We should have flooded it AT LEAST 4 times since( 09 Egg Bowl, 13 Egg Bowl, 14 Auburn, 16 A&M) and hell you could throw in 17 LSU as well.

[msugolf]

I never understood how much of a difference the LED lights make until yesterday. I was in Oxford and let me tell you, their stadium atmosphere is MILES ahead of us. Number one, their fans damn nest stood the entire game and were engaged in what was going on. Number 2, the lights. They get everyone going. I mean they had 60-70 year olds dancing to Throw It Up. We have fans that threaten to pull their funding if we play any rap. They would rather hear Friends in Low Places or Redneck Yacht Club. Lastly, they let their fans on the field with time still remaining. We would have had University cops trying to arrest little kids had that been Mississippi State. It is just another way the administration actively tries to take the fun out of things. We have not flooded the field since 04. We should have flooded it AT LEAST 4 times since( 09 Egg Bowl, 13 Egg Bowl, 14 Auburn, 16 A&M) and hell you could throw in 17 LSU as well.

Although my kids are State fans, they would rather go to Ole Miss games because of how fun they are. If people don?t think bad leadership and football teams dont have any effect on the future of the program then you are completely wrong. For each year that is stagnant that is a whole group of younger fans (kids of alums) that will be uninterested in the future. You better move fast and smart, which has never been a strength of MState mentality. We are in a very very crucial and tough spot and we better manage it right or else

[StarkVegasSteve]

The Leach effect is half the reason we are where we are. Dang give it up already. No one is against passing the football but the way Leach did it is how to kill a program in the SEC.

The formula to win in football ain't AR. Look at every NC team and contender forever - none ran AR. Football is easy - control LOS, good players, coaching, right attitude.

There is something to this. Obviously there is the recruiting piece and his inability to recruit really at any position. I mean we say he cared about the QB position but outside of Sawyer Robertson( who he could never develop), who did he recruit that can play at the P5 level. And he did not recruit Will. Will signed with Moorhead. Locke looks bad at Wisconsin. Parson will transfer at the end of the year and that is it.

I also think there is a piece of it that Leach just never excited the fan base. Like yes he had some quotable moments, but everyone was never bought in. Ole Miss was all bought in on Kiffin from minute 1. We had about a 4 day period after the bandwagon video where everyone was bought in. That was gone by that Saturday night. Sometimes you have to believe that things are getting better, even if you cannot see them. Ole Miss did that and never really questioned Lane’s way of doing things.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Although my kids are State fans, they would rather go to Ole Miss games because of how fun they are. If people don?t think bad leadership and football teams dont have any effect on the future of the program then you are completely wrong. For each year that is stagnant that is a whole group of younger fans (kids of alums) that will be uninterested in the future. You better move fast and smart, which has never been a strength of MState mentality. We are in a very very crucial and tough spot and we better manage it right or else

If you were to place 100 non biased fans in both stadiums for a game, all 100 would choose Ole Miss. And that is before the game even begins.

[Extendedcab]

I never understood how much of a difference the LED lights make until yesterday. I was in Oxford and let me tell you, their stadium atmosphere is MILES ahead of us. Number one, their fans damn nest stood the entire game and were engaged in what was going on. Number 2, the lights. They get everyone going. I mean they had 60-70 year olds dancing to Throw It Up. We have fans that threaten to pull their funding if we play any rap. They would rather hear Friends in Low Places or Redneck Yacht Club. Lastly, they let their fans on the field with time still remaining. We would have had University cops trying to arrest little kids had that been Mississippi State. It is just another way the administration actively tries to take the fun out of things. We have not flooded the field since 04. We should have flooded it AT LEAST 4 times since( 09 Egg Bowl, 13 Egg Bowl, 14 Auburn, 16 A&M) and hell you could throw in 17 LSU as well.

If you truly understood the origins of rap you would detest it as most of us over 60 years old do. There is no redeeming quality about putting a cap in someone's a$$ or someone f**king your girl and knocking her up or another demeaning and disgusting lyrics they "sing". And no you do not have to sing some old broke leg country song either. Everybody screams that we do not have an identity, what ever happened to "Who let the Dawgs out" or "We Will Rock You" or "Know Your Enemy" or "Lets get it started" or "You ain't seen nothing yet" or some other catchy tune and also what happened to the Dawg Pound rock? That used to get fans stirred ups as well!

Also I do not go to sporting events to stand up the entire game - that is a European thing - soccer. That is why there is a stadium with seats! And regarding the lights, that is a wet behind the ears, young whipper snapper thing as us older folks don't care about that. It is a distraction from the intent of the event in the first place - football!

Give me a good coaching staff with quality players and I'm happy! The rest, as far as I'm concerned, is just putting lipstick on a pig! If your team is UGLY, the lipstick does not help!!

[BankerDog]

Hell will come in 2025 when Ole Miss wins the Natty in Football in January, Jans leaves for Florida and Baseball finishes bottom 3rd of SEC and Lemonis signs an extension.

This is our problem. Everyone says it?s leadership now it?s our own damn fans who have an inferiority complex. This type of shit is why you?ll always complain at Mississippi State. No one on the same page, everyone pointing the finger at another, etc.

You dudes wanna talk about firing coaches and we could be using that money to pay players. But the moral compass would rather us not pay players, play rap music, have just ?good ole boys?. Wake up, it?s not the 60s anymore. Mullen, Lemonis, Cann, Jans have all proven we can win here. And yes we have alums with deep pockets outside of Mississippi but we have yet to capitalize on how to keep those fans engaged. Hell I know two worth 10s of millions, who I know we don?t ask funds for. One has a daughter playing at a rival soccer program and we didn?t even call.

[BankerDog]

If you truly understood the origins of rap you would detest it as most of us over 60 years old do. There is no redeeming quality about putting a cap in someone's a$$ or someone f**king your girl and knocking her up or another demeaning and disgusting lyrics they "sing". And no you do not have to sing some old broke leg country song either. Everybody screams that we do not have an identity, what ever happened to "Who let the Dawgs out" or "We Will Rock You" or "Know Your Enemy" or "Lets get it started" or "You ain't seen nothing yet" or some other catchy tune and also what happened to the Dawg Pound rock? That used to get fans stirred ups as well!

Also I do not go to sporting events to stand up the entire game - that is a European thing - soccer. That is why there is a stadium with seats! And regarding the lights, that is a wet behind the ears, young whipper snapper thing as us older folks don't care about that. It is a distraction from the intent of the event in the first place - football!

Give me a good coaching staff with quality players and I'm happy! The rest, as far as I'm concerned, is just putting lipstick on a pig! If your team is UGLY, the lipstick does not help!!

Ah quality players. Rather good ole boys and get blown out but by God ?they?re good kids, stay out of trouble and play hard!?

Ask your grand kids what they listen to.

[BankerDog]

Hiring Leach, who won here with a G5 qb set us back a decade?


Hiring first time head coaches has set us back 10 years. He is the only coach in recent history we have hired that can run a program. Most of the players from Leach have graduated or transferred out.

No?ours fans not giving a shit and wanting to pay top dollar for every high ranked MS recruit as rated by On3 or 247 who winds up flopping is a big reason. Ever think about where our most significant NIL guys in baseball, football, and basketball on campus are from? I?ll give you a guess?central Mississippi. And only one has had a good return on investment and we have several million invested in him. Lot of pressure for a 5?10 guard.

[msugolf]

If you truly understood the origins of rap you would detest it as most of us over 60 years old do. There is no redeeming quality about putting a cap in someone's a$$ or someone f**king your girl and knocking her up or another demeaning and disgusting lyrics they "sing". And no you do not have to sing some old broke leg country song either. Everybody screams that we do not have an identity, what ever happened to "Who let the Dawgs out" or "We Will Rock You" or "Know Your Enemy" or "Lets get it started" or "You ain't seen nothing yet" or some other catchy tune and also what happened to the Dawg Pound rock? That used to get fans stirred ups as well!

Also I do not go to sporting events to stand up the entire game - that is a European thing - soccer. That is why there is a stadium with seats! And regarding the lights, that is a wet behind the ears, young whipper snapper thing as us older folks don't care about that. It is a distraction from the intent of the event in the first place - football!

Give me a good coaching staff with quality players and I'm happy! The rest, as far as I'm concerned, is just putting lipstick on a pig! If your team is UGLY, the lipstick does not help!!

You do realize that most rap today isn?t about gangs, shooting or any of the other stuff you are ranting on about don?t you?

[Extendedcab]

You do realize that most rap today isn?t about gangs, shooting or any of the other stuff you are ranting on about don?t you?

So is Snoop Dog your hero? Is that the best rap has to offer? I set my sights just a little higher than that, thank you!

[TheLostDawg]

You had a top 20 match up and they were winning against a top 5 team. Of course the atmosphere was better.
Yes we all know we need led lights. We needed them years ago.

[BrunswickDawg]

If you truly understood the origins of rap you would detest it as most of us over 60 years old do. There is no redeeming quality about putting a cap in someone's a$$ or someone f**king your girl and knocking her up or another demeaning and disgusting lyrics they "sing". And no you do not have to sing some old broke leg country song either. Everybody screams that we do not have an identity, what ever happened to "Who let the Dawgs out" or "We Will Rock You" or "Know Your Enemy" or "Lets get it started" or "You ain't seen nothing yet" or some other catchy tune and also what happened to the Dawg Pound rock? That used to get fans stirred ups as well!

Also I do not go to sporting events to stand up the entire game - that is a European thing - soccer. That is why there is a stadium with seats! And regarding the lights, that is a wet behind the ears, young whipper snapper thing as us older folks don't care about that. It is a distraction from the intent of the event in the first place - football!

Give me a good coaching staff with quality players and I'm happy! The rest, as far as I'm concerned, is just putting lipstick on a pig! If your team is UGLY, the lipstick does not help!!

Typical MSU fan blue hair BS. I'm 52 and have been standing through most sporting events as long as I can remember. My high school band played rap hits in the stands in the 80s.

You should thrown in "bird hunts and first day of bow season are more important than football" and you would have covered all the MSU excuses.

[RezDog7]

Although my kids are State fans, they would rather go to Ole Miss games because of how fun they are. If people don?t think bad leadership and football teams dont have any effect on the future of the program then you are completely wrong. For each year that is stagnant that is a whole group of younger fans (kids of alums) that will be uninterested in the future. You better move fast and smart, which has never been a strength of MState mentality. We are in a very very crucial and tough spot and we better manage it right or else

I've been taking my daughter to MSU games since she's was 3. She has decided to go to OM because of the experience. Can't blame her honestly.

[NCMSTFAN]

If you truly understood the origins of rap you would detest it as most of us over 60 years old do. There is no redeeming quality about putting a cap in someone's a$$ or someone f**king your girl and knocking her up or another demeaning and disgusting lyrics they "sing". And no you do not have to sing some old broke leg country song either. Everybody screams that we do not have an identity, what ever happened to "Who let the Dawgs out" or "We Will Rock You" or "Know Your Enemy" or "Lets get it started" or "You ain't seen nothing yet" or some other catchy tune and also what happened to the Dawg Pound rock? That used to get fans stirred ups as well!

Also I do not go to sporting events to stand up the entire game - that is a European thing - soccer. That is why there is a stadium with seats! And regarding the lights, that is a wet behind the ears, young whipper snapper thing as us older folks don't care about that. It is a distraction from the intent of the event in the first place - football!

Give me a good coaching staff with quality players and I'm happy! The rest, as far as I'm concerned, is just putting lipstick on a pig! If your team is UGLY, the lipstick does not help!!

This is a horrible mentality and very old school sounding, it's 2024, the young fan base especially wants to hear rap music, see the flashing lights, be very loud and the players want that too.

[StarkVegasSteve]

If you truly understood the origins of rap you would detest it as most of us over 60 years old do. There is no redeeming quality about putting a cap in someone's a$$ or someone f**king your girl and knocking her up or another demeaning and disgusting lyrics they "sing". And no you do not have to sing some old broke leg country song either. Everybody screams that we do not have an identity, what ever happened to "Who let the Dawgs out" or "We Will Rock You" or "Know Your Enemy" or "Lets get it started" or "You ain't seen nothing yet" or some other catchy tune and also what happened to the Dawg Pound rock? That used to get fans stirred ups as well!

Also I do not go to sporting events to stand up the entire game - that is a European thing - soccer. That is why there is a stadium with seats! And regarding the lights, that is a wet behind the ears, young whipper snapper thing as us older folks don't care about that. It is a distraction from the intent of the event in the first place - football!

Give me a good coaching staff with quality players and I'm happy! The rest, as far as I'm concerned, is just putting lipstick on a pig! If your team is UGLY, the lipstick does not help!!

You just do not get it. It is about adding to atmosphere and getting the people going. The lights do that, Throw It Up does that, having pump up stuff on the video board instead of honoring the Faculty of the game does that. PEOPLE BEING INVOLVED other than just ringing a damn cowbell does that. It is about giving people a reason to come back regardless of the final scoreboard. We do a shit job of that. I could care less of the song they use is Dreams And Nightmares by Meek Mill(which would be incredible tbh) or if they used Night Moves by Bob Seger. Just get something that gets everyone going and play it EVERY GAME. We had that with Don’t Stop Believing but people bitched and complained about it. Hell that was a tradition and people got into it.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I've been taking my daughter to MSU games since she's was 3. She has decided to go to OM because of the experience. Can't blame her honestly.

After being in that atmosphere yesterday, If I was an unbiased 18 year old there would be ZERO question where I would be going.

[Randolph Dupree]

Lot of blame on this thread for why we are where we are but it really all goes back to Cohen and whoever thought that was a good idea. Byrne and Strickland had fund raising, game day experience, branding, and everything else going in the right direction. Cohen comes in and all that goes to shit almost overnight. We lose Vic (for whatever the reason....a good program would've swept that under the rug. Mind you I didn't like Vic but he won). He hires Cannizzaro, who had he done a tenth of the research he should've had so many red flags it's almost unjustifiable. Then he blows the Schloss hire and we get Leno because cohen can't keep his mouth shut. There's JoMo who on paper looks good but one look at the dude and you gotta know it's not going to work. He screws up that firing by waiting until after the bowl game (the writing was already on the wall guys). Then we bring in Leach who, despite being an icon, is really not a fit for MSU and if we're being objective doesn't have the best track record for leaving schools in winning situations. Oh yeah, and he 17'd us on NIL.

Cohen finally decided to leave, Leach dies and we hire our next coach without an AD. WTH?

I don't know maybe I just traced it all back to Keenum but I still say Cohen kills MSU athletics.

[MBDawg601]

G5 QB was Leach pick. He ran off Shrader. Leach recruiting is what dug us a hole. Those that preach we must change with the times hold on to Leach who held to 50-70 year old mentality how to manage a roster and 90s version of wishbone.

Our fan base will be blaming Leach (the only sitting HC we have hired since Jesus was a baby) for the next 20 years.

Leach's recruiting? Vanderbilt is winning with less talent. Please tell me how we have lost to more than 1 team this year that is way less talented? Is that Leach too? Quit using some lousy excuse for this coaching staff. They are ass, our game day atmosphere is ass, our marketing is ass. This is not because of Leach, but let's keep blaming the only actual HC we have had in the past 8 years. That is a good look for us.

[basedog]

Lot of blame on this thread for why we are where we are but it really all goes back to Cohen and whoever thought that was a good idea. Byrne and Strickland had fund raising, game day experience, branding, and everything else going in the right direction. Cohen comes in and all that goes to shit almost overnight. We lose Vic (for whatever the reason....a good program would've swept that under the rug. Mind you I didn't like Vic but he won). He hires Cannizzaro, who had he done a tenth of the research he should've had so many red flags it's almost unjustifiable. Then he blows the Schloss hire and we get Leno because cohen can't keep his mouth shut. There's JoMo who on paper looks good but one look at the dude and you gotta know it's not going to work. He screws up that firing by waiting until after the bowl game (the writing was already on the wall guys). Then we bring in Leach who, despite being an icon, is really not a fit for MSU and if we're being objective doesn't have the best track record for leaving schools in winning situations. Oh yeah, and he 17'd us on NIL.

Cohen finally decided to leave, Leach dies and we hire our next coach without an AD. WTH?

I don't know maybe I just traced it all back to Keenum but I still say Cohen kills MSU athletics.

You nailed it! The athletic department was a mess when Cohen left.

[Todd4State]

Our fan base will be blaming Leach (the only sitting HC we have hired since Jesus was a baby) for the next 20 years.

Leach's recruiting? Vanderbilt is winning with less talent. Please tell me how we have lost to more than 1 team this year that is way less talented? Is that Leach too? Quit using some lousy excuse for this coaching staff. They are ass, our game day atmosphere is ass, our marketing is ass. This is not because of Leach, but let's keep blaming the only actual HC we have had in the past 8 years. That is a good look for us.

The fact that we have fans that think a guy who won 9 games in year 3 and had some other big wins for MSU "wasn't really a fit" for MSU sums up one of the biggest problems our fan base has.

[Todd4State]

You just do not get it. It is about adding to atmosphere and getting the people going. The lights do that, Throw It Up does that, having pump up stuff on the video board instead of honoring the Faculty of the game does that. PEOPLE BEING INVOLVED other than just ringing a damn cowbell does that. It is about giving people a reason to come back regardless of the final scoreboard. We do a shit job of that. I could care less of the song they use is Dreams And Nightmares by Meek Mill(which would be incredible tbh) or if they used Night Moves by Bob Seger. Just get something that gets everyone going and play it EVERY GAME. We had that with Don’t Stop Believing but people bitched and complained about it. Hell that was a tradition and people got into it.

And the thing is a lot of those things aren't impossible to do at MSU. Some are relatively cheap to do I think.

And you're right about Don't Stop Believing. I didn't want MSU to stop doing that and it's not because I'm a Journey fan or something. It's because it was something fans enjoyed and got into at games.

To your point in another post about buy in for Leach- remember the Bandwagon ad MSU put out? One loss and our fans bitched and complained about that too because we lost a game and now it was "embarrassing". We have to stop complaining about stuff like that because it discourages the athletic department from promoting the program.

MSU did very little under Cohen to support Leach in terms of promotion. The people that showed up were showing up because we actually had a chance to win which was because of Leach. Game atmosphere wise we're doing the exact same things now as we did under Cohen except we have a DJ now- which is a move I like for the record. Which means we have the same atmosphere that we had under Stricklin. And it has gotten very stale. Made even worse because the product on the field is awful.

And the product on the field right now is the root cause for the problems we have. We hire coaches like Kevin Barbay and Coleman Hutzler who are unqualified and we overpay them and lo and behold the product they put out is awful and then it affects recruiting because no one wants to play for them because they are jokes of a coach. The last qualified coach we hired was Leach and the on the field results speak for themselves. MSU should start hiring qualified coaches like the rest of the SEC and see how that works.

What Cohen did as a terrible AD getting us behind in NIL compounded things. MSU's AD has got to stop relying on the head football coach to tell them everything that the program needs. I don't think there is a coach that is going to complain because his school increased the recruiting budget or because they built an IPF. But at MSU "the coach didn't ask for it" is such a lame excuse.

[Todd4State]

Lot of blame on this thread for why we are where we are but it really all goes back to Cohen and whoever thought that was a good idea. Byrne and Strickland had fund raising, game day experience, branding, and everything else going in the right direction. Cohen comes in and all that goes to shit almost overnight. We lose Vic (for whatever the reason....a good program would've swept that under the rug. Mind you I didn't like Vic but he won). He hires Cannizzaro, who had he done a tenth of the research he should've had so many red flags it's almost unjustifiable. Then he blows the Schloss hire and we get Leno because cohen can't keep his mouth shut. There's JoMo who on paper looks good but one look at the dude and you gotta know it's not going to work. He screws up that firing by waiting until after the bowl game (the writing was already on the wall guys). Then we bring in Leach who, despite being an icon, is really not a fit for MSU and if we're being objective doesn't have the best track record for leaving schools in winning situations. Oh yeah, and he 17'd us on NIL.

Cohen finally decided to leave, Leach dies and we hire our next coach without an AD. WTH?

I don't know maybe I just traced it all back to Keenum but I still say Cohen kills MSU athletics.

I agree that Cohen is the biggest reason for our mess right now. And you can thank the MSU boosters that put him in charge for that. Who are some of the same that promoted Arnett for head coach. Hopefully they enjoyed the access for the 2-10 team that they burned to the ground.

[Really Clark?]

Hiring Leach, who won here with a G5 qb set us back a decade?


Hiring first time head coaches has set us back 10 years. He is the only coach in recent history we have hired that can run a program. Most of the players from Leach have graduated or transferred out.

Mullen ran a very good program

[StarkVegasSteve]

Mullen ran a very good program

Mullen was also not the typical wet behind the ears asst. He had watched Urban build 3 very successful programs basically from the ground up. He knew exactly what it would take.

[Todd4State]

Mullen was also not the typical wet behind the ears asst. He had watched Urban build 3 very successful programs basically from the ground up. He knew exactly what it would take.

He is literally the only guy we have hired with that profile that worked out. With Lebby TBD.

Felker
Croom
Dan
Moorhead
Arnett

So going that route we have had a 20% success rate so far. And even if Lebby works out we're still hitting at a 33% success rate.

On the other hand Jackie and Leach were both successful here. Heck Bellard was successful too technically in my eyes and on paper he was the worst of those three.

MSU can and absolutely MUST hire coaches with experience going forward. We have to stop being a training ground for coaches because it simply isn't working out well for us and is killing our program more than any other factor.

[DawgFromOxford]

I never understood how much of a difference the LED lights make until yesterday. I was in Oxford and let me tell you, their stadium atmosphere is MILES ahead of us. Number one, their fans damn nest stood the entire game and were engaged in what was going on. Number 2, the lights. They get everyone going. I mean they had 60-70 year olds dancing to Throw It Up. We have fans that threaten to pull their funding if we play any rap. They would rather hear Friends in Low Places or Redneck Yacht Club. Lastly, they let their fans on the field with time still remaining. We would have had University cops trying to arrest little kids had that been Mississippi State. It is just another way the administration actively tries to take the fun out of things. We have not flooded the field since 04. We should have flooded it AT LEAST 4 times since( 09 Egg Bowl, 13 Egg Bowl, 14 Auburn, 16 A&M) and hell you could throw in 17 LSU as well.

The sentiment is correct but I think the cause root cause is misplaced. The atmosphere was electric because they are a top team playing a top team with playoff implications on the line. All of the other factors are secondary to that. Take the 14 game against auburn you mentioned. Greatest college football game I?ve ever been to and it was an afternoon kick off so no fancy lights and it even poured rain before half time. No one left and the stadium was rocking. Not because we had fancy lights and videos but because we had a team that had the chance to do something special. Field a team that has a chance to do something special and the atmosphere will return.

I?ll add, I hope we do add LEDs, better sound system, and in game hype but all of that is moot without a team worth showing up to watch.

[Bdawg]

The sentiment is correct but I think the cause root cause is misplaced. The atmosphere was electric because they are a top team playing a top team with playoff implications on the line. All of the other factors are secondary to that. Take the 14 game against auburn you mentioned. Greatest college football game I?ve ever been to and it was an afternoon kick off so no fancy lights and it even poured rain before half time. No one left and the stadium was rocking. Not because we had fancy lights and videos but because we had a team that had the chance to do something special. Field a team that has a chance to do something special and the atmosphere will return.

I?ll add, I hope we do add LEDs, better sound system, and in game hype but all of that is moot without a team worth showing up to watch.

Amen. Put a good product on the field and the atmosphere will take care of itself. Although, there are some things mentioned here that could improve it, winning is the best solution.

[MBDawg601]

Mullen ran a very good program

We didn't know that going into the hire. We found out later and after other schools figured it out - he was gone. Also, it has been about 8 years since then.

[Really Clark?]

We didn't know that going into the hire. We found out later and after other schools figured it out - he was gone. Also, it has been about 8 years since then.

Mullen is not recent history? Goodness that's a small timeline if you are making that argument.

[MBDawg601]

Mullen is not recent history? Goodness that's a small timeline if you are making that argument.

That 8 years seemed pretty long with the coaching issues we have had. I am afraid the next 8 will seem even longer.

[schddog72]

Amen. Put a good product on the field and the atmosphere will take care of itself. Although, there are some things mentioned here that could improve it, winning is the best solution.

THIS!! Build it (a winning team) and they will come!!!

[R2Dawg]

Our fan base will be blaming Leach (the only sitting HC we have hired since Jesus was a baby) for the next 20 years.

Leach's recruiting? Vanderbilt is winning with less talent. Please tell me how we have lost to more than 1 team this year that is way less talented? Is that Leach too? Quit using some lousy excuse for this coaching staff. They are ass, our game day atmosphere is ass, our marketing is ass. This is not because of Leach, but let's keep blaming the only actual HC we have had in the past 8 years. That is a good look for us.

We don't have good players now partly because of Leach recruiting that is fact. We don't have good coaching now because of other stuff.

I didn't start this BS; I've let Leach go but the Leach train can't do it. He had one good year in 3. We sucked for 2 years and there was a lot a real bad football and coaching those years. We won 8 with Leach with an easy schedule. All schedules ain't the same ask OM or MSU this year.

No excuses for this coaching staff; you haven't read any of my posts doesn't look like. Hire a modern day HC and get back with me not a 4 decade old mentality HC and we are doing something then.

[Todd4State]

We don't have good players now partly because of Leach recruiting that is fact. We don't have good coaching now because of other stuff.

I didn't start this BS; I've let Leach go but the Leach train can't do it. He had one good year in 3. We sucked for 2 years and there was a lot a real bad football and coaching those years. We won 8 with Leach with an easy schedule. All schedules ain't the same ask OM or MSU this year.

No excuses for this coaching staff; you haven't read any of my posts doesn't look like. Hire a modern day HC and get back with me not a 4 decade old mentality HC and we are doing something then.

If Leach was so bad at recruiting how come the offense is light years better than the defense right now?

Leach let Arnett have a la carte recruiting on defense plus Arnett was able to keep his system in place one full year longer. And guess who recruited most of the guys on defense right now? Arnett.

[Todd4State]

The sentiment is correct but I think the cause root cause is misplaced. The atmosphere was electric because they are a top team playing a top team with playoff implications on the line. All of the other factors are secondary to that. Take the 14 game against auburn you mentioned. Greatest college football game I?ve ever been to and it was an afternoon kick off so no fancy lights and it even poured rain before half time. No one left and the stadium was rocking. Not because we had fancy lights and videos but because we had a team that had the chance to do something special. Field a team that has a chance to do something special and the atmosphere will return.

I?ll add, I hope we do add LEDs, better sound system, and in game hype but all of that is moot without a team worth showing up to watch.

Bingo. Ole Miss is good because they have good coaches. Arnett is analyst caliber for them and Hutzler is OLB coach caliber.

They didn't just put up some LED's and all of a sudden they win 10 games and the atmosphere is awesome now.

[R2Dawg]

The fact that we have fans that think a guy who won 9 games in year 3 and had some other big wins for MSU "wasn't really a fit" for MSU sums up one of the biggest problems our fan base has.

No one is against a HC winning 9 games or 8 games. What big wins did we really have? OM in 22 is about it. Others were teams that were either 500 teams or had losing records at end of year. LSU in game 1, well we learned LSU sucked that year later and so did we. Yeah if felt good for that day but that was it.

Kinda like the 8-0, we believe year. We had a solid team but we didn't really beat anybody that year but we were also building a program and you could see it.

I ain't brought up Leach since he died. Can we let him RIP and quit blaming fans? This is what is wrong with MSU fan base. They follow a guy not a team, school or program. I came to MSU games when a bunch of HC we had I didn't like because I am an MSU alumni and fan.

[R2Dawg]

If Leach was so bad at recruiting how come the offense is light years better than the defense right now?

Leach let Arnett have a la carte recruiting on defense plus Arnett was able to keep his system in place one full year longer. And guess who recruited most of the guys on defense right now? Arnett.

Because Leach didn't care about recruiting defense. O is good because Lebby brought in some talent in year 1. A good HC don't turn over recruiting to anyone. Never said CZA was a great recruiter. He was over his head which is why a HC should never turn over that to a young asst coach.

[Todd4State]

No one is against a HC winning 9 games or 8 games. What big wins did we really have? OM in 22 is about it. Others were teams that were either 500 teams or had losing records at end of year. LSU in game 1, well we learned LSU sucked that year later and so did we. Yeah if felt good for that day but that was it.

Kinda like the 8-0, we believe year. We had a solid team but we didn't really beat anybody that year but we were also building a program and you could see it.

I ain't brought up Leach since he died. Can we let him RIP and quit blaming fans? This is what is wrong with MSU fan base. They follow a guy not a team, school or program. I came to MSU games when a bunch of HC we had I didn't like because I am an MSU alumni and fan.

You're the one that brought up Leach not me. And yes beating Ole Miss was a big win that year. We are one of the few teams that has beaten them at home the past three years where they have been almost unbeatable. Arkansas and Illinois were solid wins too. Auburn 2021 was pretty memorable as it was the biggest comeback in school history. LSU was memorable because we only broke their at the time longest winning streak in school history and set the SEC record for passing in a game.

And don't tell me about be how MSU fans should be nice to each other and how you support the team and program and not a person while you are literally running down a guy who was the coach of the team who you claimed to pull for.

If Georgia loses to Tennessee and Ole Miss wins out do you think their fans are going to talk down about their season even though they lost to Kentucky and hadn't beat a team that finished the regular season better than 9-3?

Our fans like you would and have and that's why I keep calling them out for it.

[Todd4State]

Because Leach didn't care about recruiting defense. O is good because Lebby brought in some talent in year 1. A good HC don't turn over recruiting to anyone. Never said CZA was a great recruiter. He was over his head which is why a HC should never turn over that to a young asst coach.

He "didn't care" not care. He let Arnett handle it rather than micromanage something that wasn't his specialty. Which is good management. Unfortunately the guy in charge of the defense sucked at recruiting and then MSU double downed by hiring him as the head coach.

Lebby did bring in better talent but even two years removed from Leach there was a much better foundation in that side of the ball because of better recruiting there. Making it much easier to turn over.

[NorthMs Dawg]

We went to the Ole Miss game with some friends last night. I wanted to see Georgia in person! Both SEC Nation and Barstool were set up. I'm not a big Brandon Walker fan but I understand he plays the wrestling heel part and it was funny watching him get abused and his comebacks. The Grove was absolutely on fire. The whole gameday experience has to be in the top 10 in the country. We had to stand because everyone around us was standing. It was crazy. We have the flashing lights at our high school, but those are another level. I'm coming in for the Missouri game and making plans for the Egg Bowl.

We have to do something to close the gap in the gameday experience. I'm not sure what other than trying to hire their person away.

[Maroonthirteen]

The offense is 71 and 73 in total offense and scoring offense. Light years is a bit of a stretch.

[Cooterpoot]

They aren't flipping him. Hell, every time the kid takes a visit, On3 puts him a crystal ball to that school. Remember who runs On3...

Actually, it's been rumored for a couple weeks now

[Todd4State]

The offense is 71 and 73 in total offense and scoring offense. Light years is a bit of a stretch.

Defense is 120 in scoring and 128 in total defense out of 134 teams.

Offense is average which is yes light years ahead of the defense right now.

[MBDawg601]

We don't have good players now partly because of Leach recruiting that is fact. We don't have good coaching now because of other stuff.

I didn't start this BS; I've let Leach go but the Leach train can't do it. He had one good year in 3. We sucked for 2 years and there was a lot a real bad football and coaching those years. We won 8 with Leach with an easy schedule. All schedules ain't the same ask OM or MSU this year.

No excuses for this coaching staff; you haven't read any of my posts doesn't look like. Hire a modern day HC and get back with me not a 4 decade old mentality HC and we are doing something then.

I came on here to defend a guy, because I know for a fact that we were in a much better spot while Leach was here and had we made a good hire after his passing, we would not be in this dumpster fire. In the era of portal and NIL, most of people that came to play for Leach are long gone. We can stop blaming him now.

[BankerDog]

We don't have good players now partly because of Leach recruiting that is fact. We don't have good coaching now because of other stuff.

I didn't start this BS; I've let Leach go but the Leach train can't do it. He had one good year in 3. We sucked for 2 years and there was a lot a real bad football and coaching those years. We won 8 with Leach with an easy schedule. All schedules ain't the same ask OM or MSU this year.

No excuses for this coaching staff; you haven't read any of my posts doesn't look like. Hire a modern day HC and get back with me not a 4 decade old mentality HC and we are doing something then.

R2 would rather win 3 games with a hard schedule than 8 with an easy. Okay got it.

Wins are wins idiot.