Bo Bounds on Hutzler

[TrapGame]

Bo seems very confident that Hutz is demoted and Barnes is made DC by this afternoon.

I wonder if he's been told something. He was pretty certain it happens sometime today.

We shall see.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Bo seems very confident that Hutz is demoted and Barnes is made DC by this afternoon.

I wonder if he's been told something. He was pretty certain it happens sometime today.

We shall see.

Would not shock me one bit. Bo generally does not throw out absolutes unless he has been told something pretty credible.

[Matt3467]

Weird how Barnes wasn't the DC from the start. He actually has experience.

[Todd4State]

Yeah that's not something he would just throw out there without some kind of legit reason.

[Todd4State]

Weird how Barnes wasn't the DC from the start. He actually has experience.

He wasn't good at Memphis. And I think that they were hoping Hutzler would be a placeholder until we can maybe get Durkin.

[Todd4State]

If they're going to make a change it needs to be now with UMass this weekend. Because we don't need to go in with a new guy against a SEC team.

[Matt3467]

He wasn't good at Memphis. And I think that they were hoping Hutzler would be a placeholder until we can maybe get Durkin.

I've seen his name thrown around a lot and has been for years. There any interested there from his side?

[Dawgology]

If they're going to make a change it needs to be now with UMass this weekend. Because we don't need to go in with a new guy against a SEC team.

Don’t think it matters one way or another at this point. The fact our AD and boosters okayed the Hutzler hire is the primary issue and is why we keep getting the same results regardless of coach. It’s unfortunate but our “money” boosters don’t have the finances or football acumen to make good choices for our program. Oh well.

[KB21]

I will repeat that Hutzler isn't the biggest issue with the defense, but if we are going to make changes on the defensive staff, then Jeff should consider going with the Flyover defense that was basically created to allow programs in areas that don't have fertile recruiting grounds to be able to defend the Leach and Briles systems in the Big 12. It's a defend the pass first scheme, and it's becoming more and more prevalent as teams realize that passing the football is the key to winning.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I've seen his name thrown around a lot and has been for years. There any interested there from his side?

He's kind of the new age Todd Grantham. He's on his 4th SEC school and doesn't really stay long at any of the stops. He has obvious connections to Lebby as they were coordinators for Lane at the same time. We had discussions with him from the moment Lebby was hired but A&M did not want to let him go before Elko had a staff in place. They had a bunch of people wanting Elko to keep him and A&M wasn't going to buy him out of his contract and just let him go.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I will repeat that Hutzler isn't the biggest issue with the defense, but if we are going to make changes on the defensive staff, then Jeff should consider going with the Flyover defense that was basically created to allow programs in areas that don't have fertile recruiting grounds to be able to defend the Leach and Briles systems in the Big 12. It's a defend the pass first scheme, and it's becoming more and more prevalent as teams realize that passing the football is the key to winning.

We need to find a coordinator that can do more with less. Durkin fits that mold.

[KB21]

We need to find a coordinator that can do more with less. Durkin fits that mold.

Does he really though? His first OM defense was as bad as ours is for similar reasons. He did have a massive improvement in year two which got him his ticket out of Oxford.

[KB21]

Jon Heacock at Iowa State is making right at $1 million a year to be their defensive coordinator. Throw him some money to see if he wants to bring the Flyover defense to the SEC.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Does he really though? His first OM defense was as bad as ours is for similar reasons. He did have a massive improvement in year two which got him his ticket out of Oxford.

It was as bad but they were more opportunistic with takeaways. That has been my main gripe with us. If we are going to suck, at least take chances. We looked to have turned it around a bit but Saturday was back to the same ole thing. We were not close enough to receivers to take chances. Their defense also improved dramatically in 21.

[TrapGame]

We need to find a coordinator that can do more with less. Durkin fits that mold.

Precisely.

It's not Durkin's fault that Hugh's offense royally sucks. That offense has put his defense in some bad situations.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Precisely.

It's not Durkin's fault that Hugh's offense royally sucks. That offense has put his defense in some bad situations.

Well Auburn also has 100x the talent we do on defense. They have multiple starters that could actually start at other P5 schools. We have multiple starters that would have trouble contributing at EMCC and NWCC on Thursday nights.

The point I was making with Durkin was that we have seen what he can do with no talent on Defense. He at least makes them opportunistic. They may get gashed between the 20s but 1 in 5 times they'll get a pick.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Also I will just throw this name out there, Pete Golding. If Kiffin leaves, which is a definite possibility, I do not see a situation where OM promotes Golding. We also may be able to get Kane Wommack on the cheap.

[KB21]

Also I will just throw this name out there, Pete Golding. If Kiffin leaves, which is a definite possibility, I do not see a situation where OM promotes Golding. We also may be able to get Kane Wommack on the cheap.

Kane Wommack is struggling with Alabama level talent on defense. He's not one that I would want, particularly at the talent deficit we are currently at.

With Mack Brown looking to be out at North Carolina after the season, this could open up Geoff Collins (and Randy Clement for the OL).

[Leeshouldveflanked]

There will be some good DC?s looking for work in about 6 weeks.

[TrapGame]

Well Auburn also has 100x the talent we do on defense. They have multiple starters that could actually start at other P5 schools. We have multiple starters that would have trouble contributing at EMCC and NWCC on Thursday nights.

The point I was making with Durkin was that we have seen what he can do with no talent on Defense. He at least makes them opportunistic. They may get gashed between the 20s but 1 in 5 times they'll get a pick.

Yeah, I was conflating to things, agreement with you and an argument for why some people are down on Durkin's defense at AU.

But, experience counts. An experienced DC with a decent track record and we might be 3-5 right now.

[DownwardDawg]

We need to find a coordinator that can do more with less. Durkin fits that mold.

Was he the DC at aTm??? I ask this because no staff in the country did less with more than that entire Jimbo staff. They had as much talent as Bama and Georgia and went 8-4 or worse consistently.

[TrapGame]

Kane Wommack is struggling with Alabama level talent on defense. He's not one that I would want, particularly at the talent deficit we are currently at.

With Mack Brown looking to be out at North Carolina after the season, this could open up Geoff Collins (and Randy Clement for the OL).

Kane Wommack does not like MSU. It goes all the way back to when his Dad was DC at OM.

I'm really surprised no one reached out to Geoff b/c he was showing a lot of interest in the job in interviews and social media.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Yeah, I was conflating to things, agreement with you and an argument for why some people are down on Durkin's defense at AU.

But, experience counts. An experienced DC with a decent track record and we might be 3-5 right now.

I think we'd be 4-4 right now with an experienced DC. I think we beat ASU, Toledo, and one of the home conference games we've had.

[KB21]

I think we'd be 4-4 right now with an experienced DC. I think we beat ASU, Toledo, and one of the home conference games we've had.

I just don't see that as even remotely possible with the talent level we have. Coaching hasn't cost us three wins.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Kane Wommack does not like MSU. It goes all the way back to when his Dad was DC at OM.

I'm really surprised no one reached out to Geoff b/c he was showing a lot of interest in the job in interviews and social media.

Geoff was showing interest in any job. People are going to have to give Lebby time. He came in and had to start putting a staff together as soon as he could since the early signing period was two weeks away and the portal was open. He went with who he knew and who he was familiar with. We struck out on some candidates too(Joe Jon Finley, Randy Clements, Durkin, etc.). Lebby now has had almost a year to get his feet under him and go find some better quality assts. I would expect Clements will be here next fall.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I just don't see that as even remotely possible with the talent level we have. Coaching hasn't cost us three wins.

It definitely cost us ASU and Toledo. You could make an argument on the others but coaching cost us those two for sure.

[KB21]

It definitely cost us ASU and Toledo. You could make an argument on the others but coaching cost us those two for sure.

I think our talent level was exposed in those games much more than any perceived coaching deficiencies.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I think our talent level was exposed in those games much more than any perceived coaching deficiencies.

I think it was more exposed against SEC teams. Had we just committed to stopping Skattebo, we beat ASU. I still don't know what the heck we were trying to do against Toledo, but there were holes you could drive a mack truck through and receivers running wide open.

[Coursesuper]

I think we'd be 4-4 right now with an experienced DC. I think we beat ASU, Toledo, and one of the home conference games we've had.

I don't, we may have one or two more but that's it. The lack of talent right now is the factor that is unavoidable, there are just not many SEC football players out there.

[Brobi-wan]

I don't, we may have one or two more but that's it.

We would’ve beaten ASU. We barely lost to them and that included a 60 yard pass called back and a scoop and score we gave up. I don’t know that anyone on this board could have schemed a more inept game against ASU than Hutz did

[Coursesuper]

We would’ve beaten ASU. We barely lost to them and that included a 60 yard pass called back and a scoop and score we gave up. I don’t know that anyone on this board could have schemed a more inept game against ASU than Hutz did

That's one more.

[Matt3467]

That's one more.

I don't believe we have lesser talent than Toledo. With a DC we should be 4-5 heading into the TN with an outside shot of getting 5 wins (Mizz is not nearly as good as their ranking). However, if we don't do something about this defense UMASS could be a problem for us.

[Matt3467]

UCF just fired their DC in his first year. Wish we'd have the guts to do the same.

[HoopsDawg]

It's funny how MSU fans obsess over a mediocre candidate. Enough with the Durkin talk. There are 10 other guys just as good or better we could get.

[HoopsDawg]

He wasn't good at Memphis. And I think that they were hoping Hutzler would be a placeholder until we can maybe get Durkin.

You don't give a "placeholder" a 3 year contract.

[HoopsDawg]

I will repeat that Hutzler isn't the biggest issue with the defense, but if we are going to make changes on the defensive staff, then Jeff should consider going with the Flyover defense that was basically created to allow programs in areas that don't have fertile recruiting grounds to be able to defend the Leach and Briles systems in the Big 12. It's a defend the pass first scheme, and it's becoming more and more prevalent as teams realize that passing the football is the key to winning.

I actually agree with this. Our safeties aren't great tacklers anyway so no idea why we don't play our best cover guys in the secondary. Tired of seeing slow safeties one on one with WRs.

[KB21]

Regardless of what scheme we choose to run, we don't have the current talent to run any scheme effectively at this point.

[MBDawg601]

Regardless of what scheme we choose to run, we don't have the current talent to run any scheme effectively at this point.

We should never punt, onside kick when we score. That is the only way.

[Mjoelner34]

We should never punt, onside kick when we score. That is the only way.

....and play man and bring the kitchen sink every play on D. If it's a run play, maybe one of our blitzers accidentally hits a run gap.

[MBDawg601]

....and play man and bring the kitchen sink every play on D. If it's a run play, maybe one of our blitzers accidentally hits a run gap.

I like your style. play 2 DL, 7 LBs (speed and mean as junkyard dogs) and 2 DBs.

[KB21]

....and play man and bring the kitchen sink every play on D. If it's a run play, maybe one of our blitzers accidentally hits a run gap.

If we did that, we would go from giving up 44 PPG to about 60 PPG.

[Todd4State]

You don't give a "placeholder" a 3 year contract.

You might if you are hoping he might be your special teams coach in a year.

That probably won't work out but it was worth a shot I guess.

[Chuck3124]

Will Muschamp for DC?

[KB21]

Muschamp left an on the field coaching role to become an analyst so he could spend more time with his family.

[Chuck3124]

That?s fair and understandable, but you gotta at least kick the tires on it.

[ScooterDog]

I would prefer J Collins over Durkin, but that?s just me. Any proven experienced DC would be a major upgrade.

[Really Clark?]

I would prefer J Collins over Durkin, but that?s just me. Any proven experienced DC would be a major upgrade.

Collins's defensive looks rough this year

[Todd4State]

I would prefer J Collins over Durkin, but that?s just me. Any proven experienced DC would be a major upgrade.

I would take Golding over both of them.

[Pancho]

how much does pete make now?

[Todd4State]

So I guess Bo was wrong. Weird that he put it out there.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Lebby ain?t firing him mid season and if he does at all it will be after the egg bowl.

Who knew that a rookie head coach who was a lazy hire by a rookie AD, who was hired by a lazy president that was in a bind when our coach passed, would screw it up? Nothing wrong with being a rookie, it?s more about being good at your job and not being lazy for me. And we are paying the price for Keenum not having an AD to lean on when Leach died

[Todd4State]

Lebby ain?t firing him mid season and if he does at all it will be after the egg bowl.

Who knew that a rookie head coach who was a lazy hire by a rookie AD, who was hired by a lazy president that was in a bind when our coach passed, would screw it up? Nothing wrong with being a rookie, it?s more about being good at your job and not being lazy for me. And we are paying the price for Keenum not having an AD to lean on when Leach died

If Lebby had an experienced DC our season would be much different right now. I think Lebby was a good hire. I think Lebby made a bad hire in Hutzler.

To me, we are getting past Leach's death finally. Literally all we have to do is get a new DC and then continue to build on the offense which is solid as it is.

I think it's going to be an interesting November across the state of Mississippi because there are a lot of things that could happen that could determine the future of all three D1 programs in state.

[Maroonthirteen]

So I guess Bo was wrong. Weird that he put it out there.

I listened to all 3 hours yesterday. I did not hear him specifically say Hutz would be demoted. He talked on the subject of DC but I didn't hear a specific declaration of what was about to happen.

Can the op specify where this was said? What hour?

[KB21]

If Lebby had an experienced DC our season would be much different right now. I think Lebby was a good hire. I think Lebby made a bad hire in Hutzler.

To me, we are getting past Leach's death finally. Literally all we have to do is get a new DC and then continue to build on the offense which is solid as it is.

I think it's going to be an interesting November across the state of Mississippi because there are a lot of things that could happen that could determine the future of all three D1 programs in state.

Jeff Lebby was absolutely the right hire, IMO. He was arguably the best offensive coordinator in college football in 2023.

I?m not sure where this thought process that says we absolutely had to get an experienced head coach comes from.

The rumored other two finalists for the job were Barry Odom and Jon Sumrall. Both appear like they would have been solid hirings, but neither would have been better than Lebby this year. If anyone thinks that, then they don?t understand the real issues with the program right now.

Also, I repeat that it would not have mattered who Jeff hired as DC. The die was cast on this defense by Zach Arnett.

[basedog]

Every Coach in college football makes a bad hire from time to time. Some of you guys need to give it rest occasionally, it's a very bad season and worse than most would have thought, but the fact is we lack talent from Leach's recruiting and Arnett losing the locker and his bad recruiting and staff. Lebby has made mistakes, he is a rookie Coach, hopefully he will adjust. Firing Hutzler at this point is crazy, it ain't gonna happen first off and second off nothing would improve. Losing 20 starter from last year is insane, hell Nick Saban would struggle with this team. Lebby took over and now has almost been at Stark Vegas for a year, I expect more next year but I'm not sure we win 6 games yet. Give the man a chance ED!

[KB21]

Just out of curiosity, was Dan Mullen a "lazy" hire back in 2009?

[KB21]

Every Coach in college football makes a bad hire from time to time. Some of you guys need to give it rest occasionally, it's a very bad season and worse than most would have thought, but the fact is we lack talent from Leach's recruiting and Arnett losing the locker and his bad recruiting and staff. Lebby has made mistakes, he is a rookie Coach, hopefully he will adjust. Firing Hutzler at this point is crazy, it ain't gonna happen first off and second off nothing would improve. Losing 20 starter from last year is insane, hell Nick Saban would struggle with this team. Lebby took over and now has almost been at Stark Vegas for a year, I expect more next year but I'm not sure we win 6 games yet. Give the man a chance ED!

This. Jeff Lebby inherited about as bad of a situation from a talent standpoint as you could inherit. I mean, Zach Arnett killed the program. Jeff Lebby is having to build it back up without even having a foundation poured yet. I'm not even sure the frame of the foundation is there.

I will say this though. He came in after Arnett and company (Brad Peterson, etc) were doing whatever in the hell they were doing, and he immediately did a better job of recruiting in a very short period of time than the previous staff did. Jeff got Stonka Burnside back into the fold. He went out and got Michael Van Buren. He got Kevin Coleman and Kelly A in the portal. He got Mario Craver.

[PMDawg]

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[TrapGame]

I listened to all 3 hours yesterday. I did not hear him specifically say Hutz would be demoted. He talked on the subject of DC but I didn't hear a specific declaration of what was about to happen.

Can the op specify where this was said? What hour?

You missed the 10 minutes of speculation between Bo and Jackson? It's plain as day the last ten minutes of the 7 o'clock hour. Bo states if he had to predict he'd predict Hutz was demoted and replaced by Barnes by late afternoon yesterday.

He was pretty confident in his prediction. It sounds like Bo was told it was happening but Lebby probably realized EVERYONE on the D side of the ball is gone by December so what's the point. It's like rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic at this point in the season.

[StarkVegasSteve]

You missed the 10 minutes of speculation between Bo and Jackson? It's plain as day the last ten minutes of the 7 o'clock hour. Bo states if he had to predict he'd predict Hutz was demoted and replaced by Barnes by late afternoon yesterday.

He was pretty confident in his prediction. It sounds like Bo was told it was happening but Lebby probably realized EVERYONE on the D side of the ball is gone by December so what's the point. It's like rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic at this point in the season.

Or to spare publically telling Hutzler he is god awful at his job he is just going to quietly let Barnes call plays this weekend. I mean Matt already has the CO-DC title so it's not like we'd have to give him the title of DC.

[TrapGame]

Or to spare publically telling Hutzler he is god awful at his job he is just going to quietly let Barnes call plays this weekend. I mean Matt already has the CO-DC title so it's not like we'd have to give him the title of DC.

Or that too. I'm sure with Lebby and Hutz being friends there is no need for a public execution.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Or that too. I'm sure with Lebby and Hutz being friends there is no need for a public execution.

That's kind of my thinking. I never thought he'd come out yesterday and say, "Yep, Coleman sucks so we're going with Barnes." No matter how much Pizza boy and the high school sports reporter want him to.

[KB21]

I don?t think Lebby will say it because he knows changing play callers isn?t going to change anything results wise. Jeff knows this is a talent issue, and he?s not going to throw his coaches or his players under the bus.

[Goldendawg]

That's kind of my thinking. I never thought he'd come out yesterday and say, "Yep, Coleman sucks so we're going with Barnes." No matter how much Pizza boy and the high school sports reporter want him to.

If a buddy of mine got me a $3 million guaranteed job in a position that I had never held, I would still be his friend even with the demotion!***

[Todd4State]

Or to spare publically telling Hutzler he is god awful at his job he is just going to quietly let Barnes call plays this weekend. I mean Matt already has the CO-DC title so it's not like we'd have to give him the title of DC.

Rumor was Dan did something similar with Sirmon in 2016.

[Todd4State]

I don?t think Lebby will say it because he knows changing play callers isn?t going to change anything results wise. Jeff knows this is a talent issue, and he?s not going to throw his coaches or his players under the bus.

If the rumors are true that we want to keep Hutzler in some capacity we're not going to try to embarrass him publicly.

[DownwardDawg]

Just out of curiosity, was Dan Mullen a "lazy" hire back in 2009?

No. We tried hiring Chris Peterson. Mullen was down the list.

[Maroonthirteen]

." No matter how much Pizza boy and the high school sports reporter want him to.

Hahaha. Aint that the truth. I imagine those two will beat that drum for the next month.

[KB21]

No. We tried hiring Chris Peterson. Mullen was down the list.

I don?t know if I buy that Peterson was ever really interested in coming to Starkville. He didn?t want to leave the Pacific Northwest. Part of that was because he has a child who has Autism. If you know anything about children with Autism, changing their routine can have drastic effects on them.

[Dawgology]

I don?t know if I buy that Peterson was ever really interested in coming to Starkville. He didn?t want to leave the Pacific Northwest. Part of that was because he has a child who has Autism. If you know anything about children with Autism, changing their routine can have drastic effects on them.

This is true…but…State actually has an amazing center for autistic kids. Like a really really good one

[Tbonewannabe]

This is true…but…State actually has an amazing center for autistic kids. Like a really really good one

One of our friends has a child who has greatly benefited from the center. One of the parents is a huge Ole Miss fan and he said that he will never say a bad word about State again for what they did for his child.

[Brobi-wan]

One of our friends has a child who has greatly benefited from the center. One of the parents is a huge Ole Miss fan and he said that he will never say a bad word about State again for what they did for his child.

My girlfriend’s roommate works with the Access program and it’s great to see how much they do to try to get those kids and young adults to have normal, fulfilling lives.

[Tbonewannabe]

My girlfriend’s roommate works with the Access program and it’s great to see how much they do to try to get those kids and young adults to have normal, fulfilling lives.

It is amazing to see a kid that was non-verbal and didn't really interact with other kids including his sibling, now actually goes to school and has a best friend.

[MaroonFlounder]

Our University and our Athletic Dept treats us like the federal government treats American taxpayers.

They take our money and don't give a sheet about what we want, they spend it on BS and laugh in our faces.

[DownwardDawg]

I don?t know if I buy that Peterson was ever really interested in coming to Starkville. He didn?t want to leave the Pacific Northwest. Part of that was because he has a child who has Autism. If you know anything about children with Autism, changing their routine can have drastic effects on them.

His kid fell and hit his head. It was a brain injury that lead to his issues.
From a really good source that I 100% trust, Peterson was very close to coming to State. In the end, it was the brain injury and the treatments for his son that changed his mind.

Regardless, none of that has anything to do with my post. Dan was NOT a lazy hire. Byrne kicked the tires and tried extremely hard before settling on Dan. Byrne was relentless.