Washington/Rogers update

[Coach34]

31-17 loss to Indiana to fall to 4-4. 2-3 in the Big Ten

Rogers threw 2 picks including a Pick-6. 0 TD's. 17 points with 7 of them on a short field after an Indy turnover

Numbers were solid tho as usual- 19/26 202 yards

4 games left- USC, @Penn State, UCLA, @Oregon

[RockyDog]

Bucky and Wyatt are enjoying celebratory cigars for that effort. He looked solid!!!

[DownwardDawg]

Rent free

[BuckyIsAB****]

How good did Arnett do at analyzing today? How many people did BP con today? I can?t even remember the rest of the yacht clubs names haha What was the score of the western Kentucky game? You are mad at will and keeping track of him while we are getting routinely embarrassed because of the worst coaching job in school history

It?s funny y?all bring him and his family up 1000652974810 times more than anyone else EVER has. But im obsessed?

[BuckyIsAB****]

Bucky and Wyatt are enjoying celebratory cigars for that effort. He looked solid!!!

You might feel better If you talk
About how they wronged you so

[StarkVegasSteve]

You might feel better If you talk
About how they wronged you so

They did not wrong us, well at least Will did not. I have no problem with Will, and I would imagine that 90% of the fan base is the same. However, it is the constant need of the Will Rogers fan club to come flying to his defense every time he is mentioned. Look, he was a good QB for the Leach system. He is not a good QB for any other system on a consistent basis. He was built for one offense. And hey, it got him a college scholarship and probably a little NIL money. Nothing wrong with that.

Also, you have to know C34 is doing it to troll you. He knows you are going to leap into action the minute something remotely negative is said about Will.

[coachnorm]

My question to fellow elitedoggers is. Has Will Rogers the Tiger changed his stripes or has Will Rogers the Leopard changed his spots? Looking at Rogers body of work, to this point of time, has much changed ENOUGH to be noticed? Has Rogers made showtime plays this year or is he just skimming of the Air Raid scheme again? I do not recall seeing great Will Rogers quarterbacking on television or internet, any fellow elitedoggers recall seeing many and not just a few? I do not wish Rogers any ill will but it would be irresponsible, for me, to forget the Egg Bowl when an experienced Rogers fumbled at the goal line and pumped oxygen into dyeing Ole Miss with little time left in the game. That game was a win, at the moment, until Rogers DNA showed itself?

[Coach34]

I just posted his performance today. No reason to be triggered or hateful. His performance is what it is.

We will continue to post his next 4 performances this season as well as his performance on draft weekend. We care about former players.

[coachnorm]

Your post is credible and carries a lot of weight as I see things. I believe that you are accurate but I just wonder what the stats really mean when you dig deeper? Maybe a fellow elitedogger can add to my curiousity?

[BuckyIsAB****]

I just posted his performance today. No reason to be triggered or hateful. His performance is what it is.

We will continue to post his next 4 performances this season as well as his performance on draft weekend. We care about former players.

Yeah you have posted about Zavion Thomas and all of them weekly too. Thats weak as dishwater brother. You have an axe to grind at least stand behind your horse shit. It must suck to know a kid you are so against is one of the best QBs we have ever had.

I want weekly yacht club updates too. And whatever business BP is in now a days. Im sure they are both doing it as honest as they can with no motives at all. What was that OL coach we hired? Where is he now? Aint it WKU where yall wanted Will to go hahaha

[BuckyIsAB****]

They did not wrong us, well at least Will did not. I have no problem with Will, and I would imagine that 90% of the fan base is the same. However, it is the constant need of the Will Rogers fan club to come flying to his defense every time he is mentioned. Look, he was a good QB for the Leach system. He is not a good QB for any other system on a consistent basis. He was built for one offense. And hey, it got him a college scholarship and probably a little NIL money. Nothing wrong with that.

Also, you have to know C34 is doing it to troll you. He knows you are going to leap into action the minute something remotely negative is said about Will.

Show me a thread I have started about will? You wont find one since he left. Playing along is the fun of a message board. Its not my fault him and some others are so butt hurt by him and for some odd reason his family

[Coach34]

Yeah you have posted about Zavion Thomas and all of them weekly too. Thats weak as dishwater brother. You have an axe to grind at least stand behind your horse shit. It must suck to know a kid you are so against is one of the best QBs we have ever had

He's not. He's a QB that threw the football 50 times per game and put up numbers in college football. And thats great. Good for him. He has something to smile about for life. He will make a very good coach if he chooses that route I'm sure.

But he isnt a legit record breaker or legit record holder. He isnt special like a Dak or Fitz. He is a just a guy with elite short pass accuracy who makes good decisions as the son of a coach. But he isnt elite nor is he a top talent. He threw the ball 50 times per game at State- as no QB before him had ever done. Of course he holds records because nobody else had done it. But dont equate his performance with talent.

I played OT/DE in HS- but in 7 on 7/flag football I was a pretty good QB. I could throw it 60 yards and was very accurate. Unfortunately for me the Spread did not exist in the 80's.

[BuckyIsAB****]

He's not. He's a QB that threw the football 50 times per game and put up numbers in college football. And thats great. Good for him. He has something to smile about for life. He will make a very good coach if he chooses that route I'm sure.

But he isnt a legit record breaker or legit record holder. He isnt special like a Dak or Fitz. He is a just a guy with elite short pass accuracy who makes good decisions as the son of a coach. But he isnt elite nor is he a top talent. He threw the ball 50 times per game at State- as no QB before him had ever done. Of course he holds records because nobody else had done it. But dont equate his performance with talent.

I played OT/DE in HS- but in 7 on 7/flag football I was a pretty good QB. I could throw it 60 yards and was very accurate. Unfortunately for me the Spread did not exist in the 80's.

Yawn. It?s not about you man I know that is something you struggle with but no matter what you draw in the dirt he is one of the best we ever had. Stats and record wise. Im sorry I know it hurts to know, but hes made folks like you eat shit every step of the way. Where is sawyer Robertson and jack Abraham? Locke? They are former players update us about them

[PGHBulldogBG]

These posts about Will are uncalled for. None of the situation we are in is Wills fault. It looks bad when we say this stuff about our players and former players. It’s time to move forward. I will be the first to say I was not a fan on the Lebby hire initially but we aren’t going to know what kind of coach he is until next year when he has another recruiting cycle and portal cycle. We probably go 2-10 but if he can take us to a bowl next year he is on the right track.

[SPMT]

These posts about Will are uncalled for. None of the situation we are in is Wills fault. It looks bad when we say this stuff about our players and former players. It?s time to move forward. I will be the first to say I was not a fan on the Lebby hire initially but we aren?t going to know what kind of coach he is until next year when he has another recruiting cycle and portal cycle. We probably go 2-10 but if he can take us to a bowl next year he is on the right track.


Agree. No way you fire Lebby. The DC can go now.

If we are 6-6 year three he?s still here.

[BeardoMSU]

JFC, this is so GD pathetic...even for you.

[BeardoMSU]

I played OT/DE in HS- but in 7 on 7/flag football I was a pretty good QB. I could throw it 60 yards and was very accurate. Unfortunately for me the Spread did not exist in the 80's.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abBK49gll94&ab_channel=JimRorie

[RockyDog]

Will is not State. He chose to leave.good riddance. Wipe his 750 passes per season out of the record books

[RisperDawg]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abBK49gll94&ab_channel=JimRorie

I was going to ask him if he once scored four touchdowns in a single game and now sells women's shoes. Lol.

[Pancho]

Lebby will improve the team dramatically next season but still may not achieve 6 wins and a bowl game. book it

[Coach34]

I was going to ask him if he once scored four touchdowns in a single game and now sells women's shoes. Lol.

No but I do have my two Intramural champ t-shirts framed and hanging on my wall in the mancave. It was Montana-esque

[smootness]

I played OT/DE in HS- but in 7 on 7/flag football I was a pretty good QB. I could throw it 60 yards and was very accurate. Unfortunately for me the Spread did not exist in the 80's.

Aaaaahahahaha

[SilentSteel16]

I think rent free may have nailed this post

Then the attempt of saying keeping up with former players is very weak

[Coach34]

I think rent free may have nailed this post

Then the attempt of saying keeping up with former players is very weak

There is no "rent free" bullshit. I literallyyyyy announced before the season we would do a weekly Rogers at Washington thread to track his awesomeness. There will be another next weekend after they play USC. Make sure to come by and post in it too.

[BuckyIsAB****]

He's not. He's a QB that threw the football 50 times per game and put up numbers in college football. And thats great. Good for him. He has something to smile about for life. He will make a very good coach if he chooses that route I'm sure.

But he isnt a legit record breaker or legit record holder. He isnt special like a Dak or Fitz. He is a just a guy with elite short pass accuracy who makes good decisions as the son of a coach. But he isnt elite nor is he a top talent. He threw the ball 50 times per game at State- as no QB before him had ever done. Of course he holds records because nobody else had done it. But dont equate his performance with talent.

I played OT/DE in HS- but in 7 on 7/flag football I was a pretty good QB. I could throw it 60 yards and was very accurate. Unfortunately for me the Spread did not exist in the 80's.

Hang on here, so how come dak and fitz don?t get punished by your logic? I mean they ran the ball way more than any other qbs have. So how come theirs are legit but wills are not? Im going by your rules here

[BuckyIsAB****]

Will is not State. He chose to leave.good riddance. Wipe his 750 passes per season out of the record books

Are you state?? Did you get voted as a team captain? Did you work your ass off relentlessly every winter and summer?? Did you get absolutely annihilated by Alabama or Georgia? Did you come back from injury to try to carry a broken scheme to beat your rival? After you were lied to?? Get a life dude you have no clue what or who is state

[BuckyIsAB****]

There is no "rent free" bullshit. I literallyyyyy announced before the season we would do a weekly Rogers at Washington thread to track his awesomeness. There will be another next weekend after they play USC. Make sure to come by and post in it too.

Why just will? Why not do it for all of our transfers? Guess how many of them hold a record of ours? Zero.

[Goldendawg]

Looks like keeping Marks, USCw, (maybe not with our G5 talent OL) or Steven Loyazo (sp) now at a successful vandy program to date might have been a good idea. Tell me any successful SEC talent level evaluations this staff made of about 21 portal 'PLAYERS" except for Coleman or Kelly A at WR? As far as development, everyone wanted Stonka and he has one catch for -6 yards. Creed a big head scratcher for two years in a row with the same WR position coach and another rookie HC, (I am for Lebby on the O side, but way too early to rate his future as a successful HC especially with the DC he hired with a four year contract at $1million per for 4 years with additional perks even if he leaves!) SMH.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Looks like keeping Marks, USCw, (maybe not with our G5 talent OL) or Steven Loyazo (sp) now at a successful vandy program to date might have been a good idea. Tell me any successful SEC talent level evaluations this staff made of about 21 portal 'PLAYERS" except for Coleman or Kelly A at WR? As far as development, everyone wanted Stonka and he has one catch for -6 yards. Creed a big head scratcher for two years in a row with the same WR position coach and another rookie HC, (I am for Lebby on the O side, but way too early to rate his future as a successful HC especially with the DC he hired with a four year contract at $1million per for 4 years with additional perks even if he leaves!) SMH.

None of those guys were staying after what the yacht club did. And yall gotta remember now, that was a bunch of kids that went thru 2020, deaths of players and coaches and just the normal grind of the sport. And the yacht club absolutely broke them. That?s how bad it was.

Whittemore hanging it up tells me a lot too tbh and it?s not good.

[SilentSteel16]

There is no "rent free" bullshit. I literallyyyyy announced before the season we would do a weekly Rogers at Washington thread to track his awesomeness. There will be another next weekend after they play USC. Make sure to come by and post in it too.

So by this statement there should be at a minimum 7 other weekly threads recapping his “awesomeness?”

I may or may not be back next week to review your petty bullshit posts, I will be watching an acceptance speech by one of these politicians so my BS meter may be pegged without your thoughts.

[Pancho]

silent 1 all upset here on a nice monday morning. 34 all up and under the skin?

[Coach34]

So by this statement there should be at a minimum 7 other weekly threads recapping his ?awesomeness??

I may or may not be back next week to review your petty bullshit posts, I will be watching an acceptance speech by one of these politicians so my BS meter may be pegged without your thoughts.

Yes- we have done one for every game I'm pretty sure

[BuckyIsAB****]

Yes- we have done one for every game I'm pretty sure

I doubt it. And dont care enough to go look, but you know that I know youre wrong and got you pegged buddy

[Pancho]

aw bucky, you get pegged here all the time*******

[Johnson85]

Yeah you have posted about Zavion Thomas and all of them weekly too. Thats weak as dishwater brother. You have an axe to grind at least stand behind your horse shit. It must suck to know a kid you are so against is one of the best QBs we have ever had.

I want weekly yacht club updates too. And whatever business BP is in now a days. Im sure they are both doing it as honest as they can with no motives at all. What was that OL coach we hired? Where is he now? Aint it WKU where yall wanted Will to go hahaha

I will agree that the bitterness some have towards a guy that was the best option we had and was never a locker room problem is strange. But I'm not sure I would describe him as one of the best QBs we ever had. I don't know. We don't have a ton of competition after Dak. I guess Fitzgerald is#2? One of if not the best running QBs in SEC history. After that, it gets pretty hard for me to identify #3. Granted I have never watched and really have no knowledge of older QBs like Dave Marler, Don Smith, and Jackie Parker. I don't even really know mucc about John Bond and barely remember seeing Sleepy. It's hard to rank Derek Taite and Wayne Madkin. Both had their struggles but I'm not sure either got a lot of high end offensive coaching. But out of the QBs I feel like I saw enough to judge, I would put Will behind Tyler Russel. Tyler Russel spent his his entire career as a square peg in a round hole and never really got to play with a high end WR talent to help him, but he could have run the air raid and done it well and I think would have been better than Will in any other offense we wanted to run. I would actually call Tyler Russel one of the best QBs we've had though, so expanding that group to include Will wouldn't be much of a stretch. But I'm not sure other people would include Tyler or Will.

Really would have liked to see Will go to Washington and Deboer stay. Fisch had the turn around at Arizona, so it's not like he's another Joe Moorhead that's completely destroying the chance for us to learn how Will can do in a different system. But I'm not sure it's a completely fair judge of Will either.

[MoreCowbell]

As good as he was the first 6 games he has been equally as bad the last 2. 2 straight awful games.

[MoreCowbell]

My question to fellow elitedoggers is. Has Will Rogers the Tiger changed his stripes or has Will Rogers the Leopard changed his spots? Looking at Rogers body of work, to this point of time, has much changed ENOUGH to be noticed? Has Rogers made showtime plays this year or is he just skimming of the Air Raid scheme again? I do not recall seeing great Will Rogers quarterbacking on television or internet, any fellow elitedoggers recall seeing many and not just a few? I do not wish Rogers any ill will but it would be irresponsible, for me, to forget the Egg Bowl when an experienced Rogers fumbled at the goal line and pumped oxygen into dyeing Ole Miss with little time left in the game. That game was a win, at the moment, until Rogers DNA showed itself?

There are like 3/4 games this year where he has, to my surprise, looked really good, sometimes great. Unfortunately for him though, the last 2 games he played were so bad that it undid the good games. We will see going forward if the first half of the season was a fluke or not.

[Johnson85]

Hang on here, so how come dak and fitz don?t get punished by your logic? I mean they ran the ball way more than any other qbs have. So how come theirs are legit but wills are not? Im going by your rules here

Lots of SEC teams have had offenses featuring a running QB. Nobody has run an offense like the air raid.

[Matt3467]

Why just will? Why not do it for all of our transfers? Guess how many of them hold a record of ours? Zero.

Doesn't Marks have the reception record?

[Political Hack]

Why is a guy who can run 100 and throw for 200 better than a guy that can throw for 300?

I understand the dynamic playmaker argument when things break down, but effective is effective. A true pocket passer with elite accuracy is just as dangerous a weapon to me as a big time dual threat guy.

Peyton Mannning or Lamar?
Tom Brady or Cam Newton?
Danny Marino or Tim Tebow?

It's all coaching preferences and systems based... both approaches can be effective.


I also can't understand holding a grudge against an 18-22 year old for changing schools when there's a coaching change or major shake up... If we're willing to accept transfers and welcome them with open arms, we have to be willing to accept it when players transfer out too. Otherwise we're no better than the Hypocrites up north.

[msstate7]

Why is a guy who can run 100 and throw for 200 better than a guy that can throw for 300?

I understand the dynamic playmaker argument when things break down, but effective is effective. A true pocket passer with elite accuracy is just as dangerous a weapon to me as a big time dual threat guy.

Peyton Mannning or Lamar?
Tom Brady or Cam Newton?
Danny Marino or Tim Tebow?

It's all coaching preferences and systems based... both approaches can be effective.


I also can't understand holding a grudge against an 18-22 year old for changing schools when there's a coaching change or major shake up... If we're willing to accept transfers and welcome them with open arms, we have to be willing to accept it when players transfer out too. Otherwise we're no better than the Hypocrites up north.

I don't think this thread is based on a grudge about will leaving. It's strictly about is will good or not. When he has a good game, the will camp starts the thread. When he has a bad game, the naysayers start the thread. And there's basically nothing worth discussing for us about football, so who cares.

[Political Hack]

I get that... and yes, the season sucks so there's not much to talk about football wise, but the guy's had a pretty impressive run compared to 99% of kids that take on the responsibility of playing QB.

I've just always thought our fans were generally classier than most other schools and I like to see us support the guys after they leave the program irrespective of how they leave. The athletic department doesn't do a very good job keeping players and/or fans engaged over time in my opinion.

[Johnson85]

I get that... and yes, the season sucks so there's not much to talk about football wise, but the guy's had a pretty impressive run compared to 99% of kids that take on the responsibility of playing QB.

I've just always thought our fans were generally classier than most other schools and I like to see us support the guys after they leave the program irrespective of how they leave. The athletic department doesn't do a very good job keeping players and/or fans engaged over time in my opinion.

I think how they leave should have a big impact on whether they get support afterwards.

I don't think anybody should be bothered by Will leaving. And I think very few actually are. I think the number of fans that wanted Will to move on to make it easier to get a decent QB transfer is much, much higher than the ones that hold a grudge against him now, as vocal as they may be.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Doesn't Marks have the reception record?

You?re right he sure does

[BuckyIsAB****]

I don't think this thread is based on a grudge about will leaving. It's strictly about is will good or not. When he has a good game, the will camp starts the thread. When he has a bad game, the naysayers start the thread. And there's nothing worth discussing for us about football, so who cares.


No what happens is 34 waits till he throws and interception and jumps on it like buzzards on a gut wagon

[Coach34]

No what happens is 34 waits till he throws and interception and jumps on it like buzzards on a gut wagon

We have had a Washington thread every week they have played. And we will continue to do so

[PGHBulldogBG]

The only reason Will is talked about so much on this board still is because Bucky keeps replying to C34 and C34 is trying to bait him and it works every time

[BeardoMSU]

I think how they leave should have a big impact on whether they get support afterwards.

I don't think anybody should be bothered by Will leaving. And I think very few actually are. I think the number of fans that wanted Will to move on to make it easier to get a decent QB transfer is much, much higher than the ones that hold a grudge against him now, as vocal as they may be.

This is it. It was the good decision for both Will and MSU.

But some on this board are too GD petty to move on.

[BeardoMSU]

The only reason Will is talked about so much on this board still is because Bucky keeps replying to C34 and C34 is trying to bait him and it works every time

So C34 has no agency in this, lol?

[PMDawg]

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[BuckyIsAB****]

To be fair to 34, he at least has not talked about the kids family. I will for sure give him that.

[Matt3467]

We have had a Washington thread every week they have played. And we will continue to do so

Why weren't there Wash threads when Dillon Johnson was there or USC threads this year with Marks? It's clearly being done because you don't like Will that he's being singled out otherwise it makes no sense. I don't understand the obsession some have with this young man. He made good and bad decisions here on the field but I'm not watching for him to fall.

[Johnson85]

Why weren't there Wash threads when Dillon Johnson was there or USC threads this year with Marks? It's clearly being done because you don't like Will that he's being singled out otherwise it makes no sense. I don't understand the obsession some have with this young man. He made good and bad decisions here on the field but I'm not watching for him to fall.

Not that there aren't people that dislike Will for some reason, but there wasn't anything interesting there. I think everybody knew Dillon Johnson was good and expected him to do well at UW. The onlly surprise there was that if I recall, he wasn't getting many touches until there was an injury?

Marks is sort of similar. I think everybody knows what he is? A good but not great back. Probably very similar to Dillon Johnson but maybe not quite as good because of size?

Opinions on Will ranged from "he can't even play at a P4 level outside of a Mike Leach offense, and is a handicap even in Leach's offense" to "he was grossly underappreciated and is going to show he is above average in any competently coached offense that doesn't require him to be a run threat". I think last year told us nothing because of our lack of coaching.

Without having actually watched but just looking at stats, it looks like his performance in a new offense is similar to his performance in the air raid. When things are clicking, he looks great and can help an offense run smoothly and efficiently. When things aren't clicking, things can fall apart quickly because he has a thin margin for error.

[Jarius]

Some of us have been knowing this for 4 years. Anyone denying it at this point is brain dead. He's a G5 level quarterback. And to the ones saying "who cares?!" Well, have his merry band of entourage idiots run around chastising you for pointing out the obvious for a half a decade and then see how much you "don't care". The people in his cult deserve this thread, because the rest of us that don't live in la la land had to hear how stupid we were for 4 years by people who didn't know what the hell they were talking about.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Then we need to admit our terrible we are at football then because anyone who denies this is brain dead, he is at the very worst, in the most petty of eyes, a top 5 QB here ever. He is really top 3 but I know that would make some threaten my livelihood and talk about my dad too when they don?t know him from Adam. This is pathetic to be honest

[BuckyIsAB****]

Why weren't there Wash threads when Dillon Johnson was there or USC threads this year with Marks? It's clearly being done because you don't like Will that he's being singled out otherwise it makes no sense. I don't understand the obsession some have with this young man. He made good and bad decisions here on the field but I'm not watching for him to fall.

Because Mike Leach and Will Rogers (members of our football team) did not win in his preferred way.

[Coach34]

oh- and the other update:

They are averaging 20.4 PPG in conference games.

Some of the people in this thread scoffed when I said he would have trouble when the Big Ten schedule hit ("He's already played in the SEC. He wont have any problems"). Well- here we are

[Jarius]

Then we need to admit our terrible we are at football then because anyone who denies this is brain dead, he is at the very worst, in the most petty of eyes, a top 5 QB here ever. He is really top 3 but I know that would make some threaten my livelihood and talk about my dad too when they don?t know him from Adam. This is pathetic to be honest

We are awful at football. That has nothing to do with this discussion. People you have been calling idiots for 4 years were right and you can't handle it. You could have chosen to stay out of the thread and just take your medicine but you and your group can't handle facts. Been that way since helicopter parents' baby boy got to college.

[BuckyIsAB****]

We are awful at football. That has nothing to do with this discussion. People you have been calling idiots for 4 years were right and you can't handle it. You could have chosen to stay out of the thread and just take your medicine but you and your group can't handle facts. Been that way since helicopter parents' baby boy got to college.

Cant handle what??? You and your crowd apart from insulting a kids family that you don?t know from Adam were saying he was MC or wku bound. And still posting updates after he left here. Who can?t handle it?

[BuckyIsAB****]

And if you think will is not one of our best ever and that he was our biggest problem not only are you disagreeing with literally the entire staff and team that was here during you are the idiot. Ducking rara and tulu are having great careers in the nfl aren?t they

Yall wanted sawyer and jack Abraham to beat him too, they couldn?t. They sat and watched him win and break records like y?all did. He didn?t lose, we all did when it became bout revenge on leach not what was best for the program

[Coach34]

And if you think will is not one of our best ever and that he was our biggest problem

A) He is not Top 5. He is the only QB in the history of the program to throw the ball 50 times per game. He did some good things and had some good games as a Bulldog. No doubt

B) Nobody said he was our biggest problem. You are trying to be extreme because of your love. There is a ton of middle ground between one of the best and biggest problem

[BuckyIsAB****]

A) He is not Top 5. He is the only QB in the history of the program to throw the ball 50 times per game. He did some good things and had some good games as a Bulldog. No doubt

B) Nobody said he was our biggest problem. You are trying to be extreme because of your love. There is a ton of middle ground between one of the best and biggest problem

Ok then Dak and Fitz ran the ball more than any other QBs of the time. See how that works? You know you are dead ass wrong. And it would not matter if he won the heisman youd never give him credit because we ran air raid

[MBDawg601]

Ok then Dak and Fitz ran the ball more than any other QBs of the time. See how that works? You know you are dead ass wrong. And it would not matter if he won the heisman youd never give him credit because we ran air raid

If he won the heisman, I think he would deserve the credit. That is a far fetch though.

Anyone who watched Will play knew he was not an arm talent. He managed the game well and made very limited mistakes. His athletic ability showed when he was pressured. He reminds me of Tyson Lee in the way he contributed to the team. Takes the snaps and gets the ball out of his hands and into someone more athletic and naturally talented. Great game manager for sure though.

[BuckyIsAB****]

If he won the heisman, I think he would deserve the credit. That is a far fetch though.

Anyone who watched Will play knew he was not an arm talent. He managed the game well and made very limited mistakes. His athletic ability showed when he was pressured. He reminds me of Tyson Lee in the way he contributed to the team. Takes the snaps and gets the ball out of his hands and into someone more athletic and naturally talented. Great game manager for sure though.

He is by no means perfect. But if anyone wants to know why the stadium wasnt sold out for winning teams? Read this thread. The disdain for Leach and his system but especially for a kid and his family is just beyond me. And we are now 1-7 because a few folks wanted to get back at a man who passed away so bad

[MBDawg601]

He is by no means perfect. But if anyone wants to know why the stadium wasnt sold out for winning teams? Read this thread. The disdain for Leach and his system but especially for a kid and his family is just beyond me. And we are now 1-7 because a few folks wanted to get back at a man who passed away so bad

I am a huge fan of Leach and Will. But I knew what to expect with Will. He would keep us in the game, but very unlikely to take over a game. Except for that Auburn comeback. That was one of his finest moments and one of the best performances I have seen by a State QB. Surgical precision.

[Coach34]

Ok then Dak and Fitz ran the ball more than any other QBs of the time. See how that works? You know you are dead ass wrong. And it would not matter if he won the heisman youd never give him credit because we ran air raid

I used to enjoy arguing with morons when I was younger but now it just makes me sad. While Fitz is indeed our top leader in rushes at QB however Dakota is not #2. That would be ol 13 himself- John Bond. Then Dak and then Don Smith at #4. I'll also add to that as I celebrate in the end zone is that the margin between QB's running the ball is fairly small for the most part altho Fitz does have a 100 more carries than Smith. But we also know that Fitz was special and you dont get guys like him very often.

But when we go to the passing side- Rogers owns records because he threw the football wayyyyyyyy more than anybody. He is 1st with 1876 attempts. Dakota is wayyyyy back in 2nd place with a paltry 1169 attempts. To make sure I get the flag for excessive celebration- I'll point out that even tho Rogers has over 700 more attempts than Dakota- he only has 3,000 more yards passing. As anybody can clearly see- he is a record holder due to bulk and not greatness. He doesnt even double up Madkin in spite of having a thousand more passing attempts.

For the cherry on top- in spite of all that passing that you and KB love- Dakota and Fitz were still responsible for more TD's than Rogers.

Good luck tonight Coach.

[Jarius]

Cant handle what??? You and your crowd apart from insulting a kids family that you don?t know from Adam were saying he was MC or wku bound. And still posting updates after he left here. Who can?t handle it?

You can't handle that we were right. He went to Washington because their coach made a misevaluation, which we all knew and is being played out for everyone to say. You choose to come in a thread and get angry with 34 who is simply posting the stats of the guy who is about to be benched at Washington because he doesn't have the talent to be there instead of just taking your medicine like a man. I'm insulting people who have been insulting me for 4 years for telling them the truth that they didn't want to hear on the internet. They started the sh*t because they didn't appreciate someone saying their baby wasn't an SEC level quarterback. Get over your moral superiority BS. You have been the main one attacking people that you don't 17ing know.

[Brobi-wan]

I am a huge fan of Leach and Will. But I knew what to expect with Will. He would keep us in the game, but very unlikely to take over a game. Except for that Auburn comeback. That was one of his finest moments and one of the best performances I have seen by a State QB. Surgical precision.

Will is a good guy and average athlete?.at best, but can?t forget his Kentucky performance on homecoming where he only didn?t complete 2-3 passes the entire night.

[Tbonewannabe]

Will was a good QB for Leach's system. He is kind of average otherwise. Pretty accurate within 10 yards and is never a threat to run. He has State's records just like all the Texas Tech QBs have all those records, Leach's system.

If you basically turn all running plays into receiving yards then your QB throws for a lot of yards.

At the end of the day, Will has maximized his talent and has played pretty well at the P5 level. He should be proud and we should be proud of him. He will probably be a great coach one day pretty soon.

[Johnson85]

Ok then Dak and Fitz ran the ball more than any other QBs of the time. See how that works? You know you are dead ass wrong. And it would not matter if he won the heisman youd never give him credit because we ran air raid

Other programs have had running systems similar to Dan's. Nobody in the SEC has ever run anything like Leach's air raid as far as replacing a lot of running yards with short passes. You can't say Will is obviously top 5 of all time because of his completions and yards just like you can't say he's terrible because his yard per completion was bad. That's just the system.

I'm a fan of Will but he is legitimately hard to judge as far as where he'd be all time at MSU. I can't say he's obviously top 5 but nor can I say he's definitely not. He's starting for what is a historically good P5 team, so he's obviously not bad and being able to start for a solid P5 team sadly means you were a pretty good QB by MSU standards. I think the absolute most critical case you could make of Will would say he belongs somewhere in the Madkin, Taite, Wyatt range. Those are all pretty well liked MSU Qbs that had some success and I don't think anybody would rank Will below them and most would rank him above them?

ETA: I think in realtiy it's #1 Dak a pretty decent gap then #2 Fitzgerald, then another pretty good gap and you start with a bunch of QB's that were either dealing with being a square peg in a round hole, lacking talent around them to fairly judge them, lacking coaching, or some combination of the three (or even all three, which is I think where Omar Connor is the winner).

[Matt3467]

A) He is not Top 5. He is the only QB in the history of the program to throw the ball 50 times per game. He did some good things and had some good games as a Bulldog. No doubt

B) Nobody said he was our biggest problem. You are trying to be extreme because of your love. There is a ton of middle ground between one of the best and biggest problem

For arguments sake let's say Will comes in at #6 in all time QBs here. Who are your 1-5? We already know Dak and Fitz.

[Coach34]

1. Dakota
2. Fitz
3. 13
4. Don Smith
5. Jackie Parker (yes- I know its the olden days but the guy's numbers and success cant be denied. Still holds school records 70 years later as well being the college HOF))

[Tbonewannabe]

1. Dakota
2. Fitz
3. 13
4. Don Smith
5. Jackie Parker (yes- I know its the olden days but the guy's numbers and success cant be denied. Still holds school records 70 years later as well being the college HOF))

Jackie Parker was ranked as the best QB in the CFL for his playing days. I am not sure why he didn't play in the NFL but he was ranked as the top QB for a 25 year period in the CFL.

[Todd4State]

Jackie Parker was ranked as the best QB in the CFL for his playing days. I am not sure why he didn't play in the NFL but he was ranked as the top QB for a 25 year period in the CFL.

He was drafted by the New York Giants but he wanted to play for Darrell Royal who was the QB coach in Edmonton and his wife liked Edmonton better than New York City.

Which is the opposite of pretty much every female I have ever encountered in my life that has to go there to see Wicked.

[Matt3467]

I know Smith went on to be drafted but he only went 15-18 in three years as a starter and he threw more ints than tds with a sub 47% completion percentage. Maybe I'm missing something here but how is he in the top 5 and maybe even more so what warranted him being a 2nd round draft pick? Even his rushing stats weren't above average.

Unrelated to his play but I remember reading something about him going to prison for a long time.

[AROB44]

1. Dakota
2. Fitz
3. 13
4. Don Smith
5. Jackie Parker (yes- I know its the olden days but the guy's numbers and success cant be denied. Still holds school records 70 years later as well being the college HOF))

Think I would find a slot for Rocky Felker. Maybe take Fitz out and put Rocky at 5.

[Coach34]

Think I would find a slot for Rocky Felker. Maybe take Fitz out and put Rocky at 5.

Fitz is the mf'ing all-time leading SEC rusher for a QB and in the top 6 of SEC QB's in TD's responsible for. Felker cant smell his jock

This is where our fans kill me- Fitz is like one the best 20-30 SEC QB's in SEC history. Rockey Felker???? Are you ****ing kidding me?????? If you want to argue Don Smith vs Felker? That could be a valid argument

Think about this- subtract the QB sack yardage that Fitz had that cost him rushing yardage? Fitz and Ricky Williams are at about the same total for their careers

[Quaoarsking]

Washington now 5-4 with a win over USC today.

[DownwardDawg]

Fitz is the mf'ing all-time leading SEC rusher for a QB and in the top 6 of SEC QB's in TD's responsible for. Felker cant smell his jock

This is where our fans kill me- Fitz is like one the best 20-30 SEC QB's in SEC history. Rockey Felker???? Are you ****ing kidding me?????? If you want to argue Don Smith vs Felker? That could be a valid argument

Think about this- subtract the QB sack yardage that Fitz had that cost him rushing yardage? Fitz and Ricky Williams are at about the same total for their careers
Imagine if Dan had stayed and coached Fitz in 2018. ****.....

[parabrave]

What about Sleepy?? Or Derek who actually led MSU to it's only SEC CG/ Corrected to be Wayne instead of Taite.

[Cooterpoot]

What about Sleepy?? Or Derek who actully led MSU to it's only SEC CG/

That was Madkin

[parabrave]

That was Madkin

Thanks for the correction. If we can keep MVB for his full career and he stays healthy with a decent Oline he will break all passing records.

[Pancho]

lincoln riley is a scam

[basedog]

Thanks for the correction. If we can keep MVB for his full career and he stays healthy with a decent Oline he will break all passing records.

More i watch MVB play the more I like, dude has maybe one of the worse O-Lines in history at Msu.

[Pancho]

Do we have backup O lineman to mature and start for the senior O lineman we will lose after the season or are we looking to go portal for 5 or 6?

[Coach34]

More i watch MVB play the more I like, dude has maybe one of the worse O-Lines in history at Msu.

Kevin Fant laughs at this post. They tell me he sleeps in the fetal position to this day because of the beating he took

[StarkVegasSteve]

Kevin Fant laughs at this post. They tell me he sleeps in the fetal position to this day because of the beating he took

We really did ruin Kevin Fant. I am fairly certain he was one of the top QBs in the country coming out of HS and he was never even given a chance. I mean just TERRIBLE lines

[Tbonewannabe]

Kevin Fant laughs at this post. They tell me he sleeps in the fetal position to this day because of the beating he took

Richard Burch at LT, didn't he give up like 4 sacks to that one Auburn DE in one game?

[Johnson85]

Fitz is the mf'ing all-time leading SEC rusher for a QB and in the top 6 of SEC QB's in TD's responsible for. Felker cant smell his jock

This is where our fans kill me- Fitz is like one the best 20-30 SEC QB's in SEC history. Rockey Felker???? Are you ****ing kidding me?????? If you want to argue Don Smith vs Felker? That could be a valid argument

Think about this- subtract the QB sack yardage that Fitz had that cost him rushing yardage? Fitz and Ricky Williams are at about the same total for their careers

Fitz is somehow in the argument for the most underrated QB we have had. And it's not like he was completely one dimensional. No, he was not the greatest pocket passer but he was not as bad as some people seem to think. He just wasn't working with good receivers for most of his time.

[tcdog70]

Fitz is somehow in the argument for the most underrated QB we have had. And it's not like he was completely one dimensional. No, he was not the greatest pocket passer but he was not as bad as some people seem to think. He just wasn't working with good receivers for most of his time.

Another huge factor-Fitz never fumbled. The other teams dbs, by the 4th quarter were gun shy-Fitz had run over their ass numerous times.

[tcdog70]

Jackie Parker was ranked as the best QB in the CFL for his playing days. I am not sure why he didn't play in the NFL but he was ranked as the top QB for a 25 year period in the CFL.

Jackie, also led the team in interceptions (maybe the SEC) also hit over 400 in baseball. Plus he was the kicker.

[Political Hack]

Henig is the toughest QB I've ever seen at State. Fant was a close 2nd imo. I remember Henig popped his collarbone (think it was his collarbone) one game and went back to the line to call the play. Our RB called the timeout when he realized Henig couldn't raise his arm to catch the snap. Kid wasn't coming out until they took him out.

[BrunswickDawg]

Fitz is somehow in the argument for the most underrated QB we have had. And it's not like he was completely one dimensional. No, he was not the greatest pocket passer but he was not as bad as some people seem to think. He just wasn't working with good receivers for most of his time.

As the original Fitz homer on this board - I agree. The thing about Fitz is he basically learned QB in 2 years at State. He had thrown less than 100 passes in live game action prior to becoming a starter for an SEC team. Not less than 100 passes in college - less than 100 passes ever. He was a WR primarily until his SR. year of high school (and was an all-region WR at that). You have to be a helluva athlete to learn QB at the college level and do what he did. That being said - he did hit his athletic ceiling and it kept him from moving from Good QB to Great QB. I just wish he had had some WR to throw to his last year at MSU.

[Coach34]

As the original Fitz homer on this board - I agree. The thing about Fitz is he basically learned QB in 2 years at State. He had thrown less than 100 passes in live game action prior to becoming a starter for an SEC team. Not less than 100 passes in college - less than 100 passes ever. He was a WR primarily until his SR. year of high school (and was an all-region WR at that). You have to be a helluva athlete to learn QB at the college level and do what he did. That being said - he did hit his athletic ceiling and it kept him from moving from Good QB to Great QB. I just wish he had had some WR to throw to his last year at MSU.

and he still threw for over 6K yards with 55 TD passes. 9800 yards total his 3 years as a starter

[StarkVegasSteve]

and he still threw for over 6K yards with 55 TD passes. 9800 yards total his 3 years as a starter

After Mullen finally decided to stop screwing around and let Fitz play QB, that offense in 16 was really good. Sans Bama and the bowl game. Avg'd 39/game and even if you add in the Bama game and the bowl game, we still avg'd 33/game. The problem was that the D was giving up an avg of 36. I mean we gave up 35 to UMASS, 40 to UK, 51 to Bama, and 58 to Arky.

[Matt3467]

Fitz gave us our most competitive game vs Bama since Saban had arrived. We love Dak and he was great but outside of the first 3 ranked games we won in '14 and in 1 quarter of action vs OM in '13 he disappeared in the biggest games. Couldn't Beat OM in both tries as a starter and never was competitive against Bama. We needed one win against either in '14 and we'd have been in the first ever playoff and outside of points in garbage time making it look close against Bama we were rolled in both then had a chance to at least have the first 11 win team but instead get destroyed by GT. The way '14 ended really left me feeling a bit bitter.

Fitz was a great QB and all he did was win vs OM and we came close in '17 to beating Bama. Not the arm talent Prescott was but more athletic and dangerous with his legs. I think had Fitz preceded Dak and was our QB in '14 we may be heralding him the best ever at State. Fitz is one of the greatest college QBs imo to ever play and that '18 year had Mullen could've been THE year.

[SilentSteel16]

I agree on Fitz, he should have his name on the ring at a minimum. He was a phenomenal talent.

[FISHDAWG]

I agree on Fitz, he should have his name on the ring at a minimum. He was a phenomenal talent.

Fitz and Relf both were Rebel killers