Hutzler

[Dawgology]

Whose call was it to hire him and how did they sell that hire?

Admittedly, I have not watched a lot of State football this year due to my work schedule and lack of interest after the OOC losses. With that said, it appears our offense is slowly coming together. Bad reffing has taken 14 points off the board for us and with a team like State has this year you can?t beat an opponent AND refs.

Back to defense: we are consistently out of position, appear confused, and lack tackling technique. We hired a guy who has never even been a defensive coordinator. What was the thought process behind this and who okayed this hire? I understand that the coach makes hires but they have to be approved by the AD and boosters who foot the contract financials.

This hire is making our head coach, AD, and boosters look like real idiots.

[defiantdog]

Would you rather the coach go get his "guys?" Or let the money guys get involved? We complain about both. Hutz is a joke and will be gone. Lebby is about to get the corporate micro management treatment. Dark days ahead.

[WinningIsRelentless]

Is it the dc or is it the talent? Are we better off buying him out and paying a new dc or taking the money the buyouts will cost and just buying d players? Welcome to today?s college football.

[Mjoelner34]

Is it the dc or is it the talent?

I think the answer to this is: Yes.

[Matt3467]

I really don't believe our talent where it's at warrants us being, most likely, the worst defense in the nation. We've complain about both defense (especially pass d) often over the years but this isn't the same. I think a decent or even average DC could have us at worst middle of the pack.

[Bothrops]

With this Dline nobody is winning the play as the DC.

[parabrave]

Is it the dc or is it the talent? Are we better off buying him out and paying a new dc or taking the money the buyouts will cost and just buying d players? Welcome to today?s college football.

Yep to both. Cause right now our DL is composed of rejects from Millsaps and Belhaven.

[Bothrops]

Is it the dc or is it the talent? Are we better off buying him out and paying a new dc or taking the money the buyouts will cost and just buying d players? Welcome to today?s college football.

People are beginning to see just how bad the new era of football is to our program. If football is still the biggest sport on campus in 15-20 years I may be surprised.

[DawgFromOxford]

It?s clear we don?t have the talent but Hutzler isn?t doing them any favors either

[Coursesuper]

People are beginning to see just how bad the new era of football is to our program. If football is still the biggest sport on campus in 15-20 years I may be surprised.

Like it or not football pays the bills and the department sinks or swims with it.

[Todd4State]

People are beginning to see just how bad the new era of football is to our program. If football is still the biggest sport on campus in 15-20 years I may be surprised.

This is no different than when we had Ron Cooper and Peter Sirmon as our DC.

[Brobi-wan]

It?s clear we don?t have the talent but Hutzler isn?t doing them any favors either

Nope. Not sure what happened. The last three weeks we’ve been in position and competitive. This week the Toledo team showed up again. Hutz needs to be fired. Not demoted. Just flat terminated. His scheme is awful.

[Todd4State]

It?s clear we don?t have the talent but Hutzler isn?t doing them any favors either

The defensive staff isn't recruiting very well either outside of Hutzler. He isn't giving anyone much to work with as far as keeping him around.

[SPMT]

The defensive staff isn't recruiting very well either outside of Hutzler. He isn't giving anyone much to work with as far as keeping him around.

He has to go. There really is no choice. 673 total yards. Talent or not ?.. there is no choice to be honest. I noticed we were getting better. We got abused from coaches to players today.

No one is coming here to play for him with his results.

[Coursesuper]

Would you rather the coach go get his "guys?" Or let the money guys get involved? We complain about both. Hutz is a joke and will be gone. Lebby is about to get the corporate micro management treatment. Dark days ahead.

If we stay with the old ways we have already lost the war before the battle is over. That is the reason we are in this situation now.

[Cooterpoot]

There are better defensive minds and coaches in peewee football leagues all over the state. Hutzler will 100% be fired after the season.

[Bothrops]

This is no different than when we had Ron Cooper and Peter Sirmon as our DC.

It may not be different on the field, but it's certainly different in the off season.

[Dawgology]

Would you rather the coach go get his "guys?" Or let the money guys get involved? We complain about both. Hutz is a joke and will be gone. Lebby is about to get the corporate micro management treatment. Dark days ahead.

I think there has to be a balance. Yes, let Lebby be the man but someone has to step up and say “Coach, we have the money to go get a DC let’s look at DC’s with experience that has the scheme you are interested in instead of someone with no experience let’s bring him in as Asst. DC”.

[Bothrops]

I think there has to be a balance. Yes, let Lebby be the man but someone has to step up and say “Coach, we have the money to go get a DC let’s look at DC’s with experience that has the scheme you are interested in instead of someone with no experience let’s bring him in as Asst. DC”.

Cost a lot of money. I mean, it costs a lot of ****ing money now.

[TheLostDawg]

Is it the dc or is it the talent? Are we better off buying him out and paying a new dc or taking the money the buyouts will cost and just buying d players? Welcome to today?s college football.

Bulldog club, school, whatever pays for buy out. We pay for players.

[SPMT]

Cost a lot of money. I mean, it costs a lot of ****ing money now.

Paying DC 1-1.5 mill shouldn?t be an issue at all.

We MUST get back to competitive if only for futures sake.

[TheLostDawg]

On the interception, who was the wr that made the tackle. We need him playing both sides this year

[HoopsDawg]

Is it the dc or is it the talent? Are we better off buying him out and paying a new dc or taking the money the buyouts will cost and just buying d players? Welcome to today?s college football.

Smart move might be a demotion and hope he quits.

[TheLostDawg]

Paying DC 1-1.5 mill shouldn?t be an issue at all.

We MUST get back to competitive if only for futures sake.

You'll get return on investment with wins and where is all the money we saved on coaching the last few years

[HoopsDawg]

On the interception, who was the wr that made the tackle. We need him playing both sides this year

Stonka has to be better at S than 2 of our starters.

I would start Isaac and our 4 best cover guys.

[Bothrops]

Paying DC 1-1.5 mill shouldn?t be an issue at all.

We MUST get back to competitive if only for futures sake.

It'll cost more than that. This isn't 2019 anymore.

[Coursesuper]

Stonka has to be better at S than 2 of our starters.

I would start Isaac and our 4 best cover guys.

Yes he would. That’s where he should be anyway.

[Really Clark?]

It'll cost more than that. This isn't 2019 anymore.

Not really. $1.8-2.5 MIL is the top 10 nationally. The 11-13th highest salaries is $1.55-1.7 MIL. We are already paying $1 MIL for Hutzler and we paid Arnett $1.225 MIL his last year as DC. An extra $300,000 - $500,000 is not a stupid amount of money for us to be able to pay. The problem is getting someone worth that kind of money that would take this job. DJ is making $1.2 MIL at Auburn but would never give us the thumb up that he would take our job for even more money.

[Bothrops]

Not really. $1.8-2.5 MIL is the top 10 nationally. The 11-13th highest salaries is $1.55-1.7 MIL. We are already paying $1 MIL for Hutzler and we paid Arnett $1.225 MIL his last year as DC. An extra $300,000 - $500,000 is not a stupid amount of money for us to be able to pay. The problem is getting someone worth that kind of money that would take this job. DJ is making $1.2 MIL at Auburn but would never give us the thumb up that he would take our job for even more money.

I agree. No one is taking this job unless they are down on their luck. In 10 years we probably won't have anybody playing in the league.

[THE Bruce Dickinson]

Is it the dc or is it the talent?

It's both. The players a physically getting beat by other teams offenses, but we have had some real head scratchers as far as scheme goes.

I think everyone saw the clips from the Florida game when UF had an unbalanced line, and we were playing 3 down linemen that slanted away from the strong side.

It's not like receivers are trying to be covered, and just beating our DBs every play. There are dudes running wide open in all over the field. That's a coaching issue.

[SPMT]

I agree. No one is taking this job unless they are down on their luck. In 10 years we probably won't have anybody playing in the league.

I don?t agree with this attitude.

Ole Miss was terrible a few years ago. It happens. It?s commitment from multiple levels starting at the top.

[Homedawg]

Stonka has to be better at S than 2 of our starters.

I would start Isaac and our 4 best cover guys.

Stonka would start at safety. But he wants to be a wr.

[Brobi-wan]

Stonka would start at safety. But he wants to be a wr.

How good is he at WR? I know he was a big get for us, but we don?t seem to use him often.

[Coursesuper]

Stonka would start at safety. But he wants to be a wr.

Yep. He could make it to the next level at safety.

[RockyDog]

I don?t agree with this attitude.

Ole Miss was terrible a few years ago. It happens. It?s commitment from multiple levels starting at the top.

Agreed. All this woe is me we won’t ever be competitive again BS is ridiculous.

We CAN rebuild from the portal. If we bring in 10 new DL and whiff on half of them they will STILL be 100% better than the trash we have playing right now. I mean we don’t have a DL, DE, or LB on the roster right now that can even come close to a sack and that is pathetic for a P4 much less an SEC program. We are historically bad and the money men, coaching staff, AD or whoever need to be losing sleep at night until they figure out how to fix this embarrassment.

[Bothrops]

I don?t agree with this attitude.

Ole Miss was terrible a few years ago. It happens. It?s commitment from multiple levels starting at the top.

Ole Miss hasn't been this bad since Nutt's last year.

[Bothrops]

Agreed. All this woe is me we won’t ever be competitive again BS is ridiculous.

We CAN rebuild from the portal.

That remains to be seen.

[Brobi-wan]

That remains to be seen.

It does, but scUM built a competitive team from the portal. The last HS qb they recruited was Altmyer. Sure, they aren’t winning a natty, but we would take their season in a heartbeat. I like seeing them lose, but to even be in the discussions for a top spot, even if they weren’t deserving, is worlds away from where we are. We’ll win again. We just need talent evaluators.

[SPMT]

Ole Miss hasn't been this bad since Nutt's last year.

Ok. We suck and will never be good again.

It?s a fact we can continue to be a 6 to 8 win team with occasional 10 win seasons or we can bitch, moan and complain.

For the 17n horrible DC tomorrow. Pay 2+ mill if you have to. Or we can just whine and complain about things we can?t control.

[Brobi-wan]

Ok. We suck and will never be good again.

It?s a fact we can continue to be a 6 to 8 win team with occasional 10 win seasons or we can bitch, moan and complain.

For the 17n horrible DC tomorrow. Pay 2+ mill if you have to. Or we can just whine and complain about things we can?t control.


Fire the coordinator. Offense has been good enough for us to win some games. Defense has been so bad we can’t possibly win a game with them. We could stand metal chairs in place of the DL and get the same results. If there were chairs maybe they would trip over something at the LOS.

[Matt3467]

No way we have lesser talent than Vandy and look how their defense is playing this year. How we end up with these kind of hires all the time is really mind boggling

[RockyDog]

It does, but scUM built a competitive team from the portal. The last HS qb they recruited was Altmyer. Sure, they aren?t winning a natty, but we would take their season in a heartbeat. I like seeing them lose, but to even be in the discussions for a top spot, even if they weren?t deserving, is worlds away from where we are. We?ll win again. We just need talent evaluators.

Yep. 8 of 16 1st and 2nd string of Auburn?s front 7 are transfers. It?s not just poor ol MSU. There are other teams out there that are having to rebuild from the portal. It is what it is. We aren?t going to build teams with 3 star Mississippians anymore, especially when we can?t keep Bama, Georgia, Auburn, and Florida out of our high schools. Our HS talent is getting poached more than ever.

[RockyDog]

No way we have lesser talent than Vandy and look how their defense is playing this year. How we end up with these kind of hires all the time is really mind boggling

Vandy had 2 defensive ends beat their blocker and meet at Ewers. We haven’t had a defensive lineman beat the opposing lineman all year much less get a sack.

[ScooterDog]

If and when we gets new DC, we need to get one that can also RECRUIT!

[Cooterpoot]

Yep. 8 of 16 1st and 2nd string of Auburn?s front 7 are transfers. It?s not just poor ol MSU. There are other teams out there that are having to rebuild from the portal. It is what it is. We aren?t going to build teams with 3 star Mississippians anymore, especially when we can?t keep Bama, Georgia, Auburn, and Florida out of our high schools. Our HS talent is getting poached more than ever.

AU isn't good either though. It's not building from the portal, it's about getting STARTERS, proven star power players, the rest is a crapshoot. You still have to develop talent. Arnett was a horrible evaluator and recruiter, Leach barely recruited at all, so here we are.

[Brobi-wan]

Yep. 8 of 16 1st and 2nd string of Auburn?s front 7 are transfers. It?s not just poor ol MSU. There are other teams out there that are having to rebuild from the portal. It is what it is. We aren?t going to build teams with 3 star Mississippians anymore, especially when we can?t keep Bama, Georgia, Auburn, and Florida out of our high schools. Our HS talent is getting poached more than ever.

Nope. We’re probably better off to portal in a G5 starter than take a 3-star and try to develop them long term.

[Bothrops]

No way we have lesser talent than Vandy and look how their defense is playing this year. How we end up with these kind of hires all the time is really mind boggling

We do on the line of scrimmage

[Bothrops]

It does, but scUM built a competitive team from the portal. The last HS qb they recruited was Altmyer. Sure, they aren?t winning a natty, but we would take their season in a heartbeat. I like seeing them lose, but to even be in the discussions for a top spot, even if they weren?t deserving, is worlds away from where we are. We?ll win again. We just need talent evaluators.

They spent way more money than we will for those type guys. Way more.

[RockyDog]

AU isn't good either though. It's not building from the portal, it's about getting STARTERS, proven star power players, the rest is a crapshoot. You still have to develop talent. Arnett was a horrible evaluator and recruiter, Leach barely recruited at all, so here we are.

No but at least they have won an SEC game. Our defense is historically bad and we have no croots waiting in the wings.

At this point we don’t have the luxury of developing. We are going to HAVE to buy a whole new defense outside of Isaac Smith, IF he even stays.

My point was that those saying the portal isn’t the answer are just wrong. It HAS to be the answer. I mean there are several other SEC teams with more than half of their offensive or defensive starters from the portal. Arkansas offense has 7 of 11 portal starters. Auburns entire WR starters are portal. Half of Vandy’s offense. It just is what it is.

Kentucky is about the only team left in the SEC that is doing it the way we used to. Most of their defense is their recruits. But their offense is terrible. So there ya go.

Outside of the blue bloods that can recruit OR buy whoever they want, the rest of the NCAA teams are still having to figure out how to operate year to year in this new crazy sport.

[Really Clark?]

No but at least they have won an SEC game. Our defense is historically bad and we have no croots waiting in the wings.

At this point we don?t have the luxury of developing. We are going to HAVE to buy a whole new defense outside of Isaac Smith, IF he even stays.

My point was that those saying the portal isn?t the answer are just wrong. It HAS to be the answer. I mean there are several other SEC teams with more than half of their offensive or defensive starters from the portal. Arkansas offense has 7 of 11 portal starters. Auburns entire WR starters are portal. Half of Vandy?s offense. It just is what it is.

Kentucky is about the only team left in the SEC that is doing it the way we used to. Most of their defense is their recruits. But their offense is terrible. So there ya go.

Outside of the blue bloods that can recruit OR buy whoever they want, the rest of the NCAA teams are still having to figure out how to operate year to year in this new crazy sport.

Vandy started 4 transfers on offense today. (3 of those just transferred in this year) They have several transfer back ups but not starters.

[Bothrops]

No but at least they have won an SEC game. Our defense is historically bad and we have no croots waiting in the wings.

At this point we don’t have the luxury of developing. We are going to HAVE to buy a whole new defense outside of Isaac Smith, IF he even stays.

My point was that those saying the portal isn’t the answer are just wrong. It HAS to be the answer. I mean there are several other SEC teams with more than half of their offensive or defensive starters from the portal. Arkansas offense has 7 of 11 portal starters. Auburns entire WR starters are portal. Half of Vandy’s offense. It just is what it is.

Kentucky is about the only team left in the SEC that is doing it the way we used to. Most of their defense is their recruits. But their offense is terrible. So there ya go.

Outside of the blue bloods that can recruit OR buy whoever they want, the rest of the NCAA teams are still having to figure out how to operate year to year in this new crazy sport.

It never was their intention for us to figure it out. They - the bean counters- assumed programs like us would be buried. Gone, vamoose. We bring no value to their ultimate plan of having the two super leagues.

[TheLostDawg]

It never was their intention for us to figure it out. They - the bean counters- assumed programs like us would be buried. Gone, vamoose. We bring no value to their ultimate plan of having the two super leagues.

I thought trolls got the boot. That's obvious all this guy is

[No BS Dawg]

I believe our defense gave up more yards to Arkansas today than SWAC juggernaut University of Arkansas Pine Bluff when they played earlier in the season. That alone is enough for Hutzler to be fired already. No need to slow peel the band aid, go ahead and rip the 17ing thing off! It was complete embarrassment today, as bad as I?ve ever seen. Maybe the worst ever.

[Really Clark?]

I believe our defense gave up more yards to Arkansas today than SWAC juggernaut University of Arkansas Pine Bluff when they played earlier in the season. That alone is enough for Hutzler to be fired already. No need to slow peel the band aid, go ahead and rip the 17ing thing off! It was complete embarrassment today, as bad as I?ve ever seen. Maybe the worst ever.

We didn't...but it was damn close. Only 14 yards difference. OK St gave up 648 yards to them in their win over Ark.

[KB21]

Hutzler is a good coach who was dealt a terrible hand. No defensive coordinator in the country would have this defense playing at a below average level. The talent on this defense is terrible. It?s a combination of Arnett?s lack of recruiting and his lack of player development. If they had been able to hire DJ Durkin, the results would be much different than what we are seeing now.

The ONLY way this defense is going to get better is with recruiting.

[maroonmania]

Hutzler is a good coach who was dealt a terrible hand. No defensive coordinator in the country would have this defense playing at a below average level. The talent on this defense is terrible. It?s a combination of Arnett?s lack of recruiting and his lack of player development. If they had been able to hire DJ Durkin, the results would be much different than what we are seeing now.

The ONLY way this defense is going to get better is with recruiting.

IMO it could certainly get better with better coaching. It still wouldn't be anywhere close to good but you can't be as bad as we are this year without a combination of bad talent AND bad coaching. Watching the second game of the year where Arizona State continued to bludgeon us with Skattaboo for 3 quarters without us changing anything with our 5 man box told me all I needed to know about Hutzler and his expertise in working a game plan and his ability to make in game adjustments.

[Bdawg]

Hutzler is a good coach who was dealt a terrible hand. No defensive coordinator in the country would have this defense playing at a below average level. The talent on this defense is terrible. It?s a combination of Arnett?s lack of recruiting and his lack of player development. If they had been able to hire DJ Durkin, the results would be much different than what we are seeing now.

The ONLY way this defense is going to get better is with recruiting.

How do you know he’s a good coach? He’s a first time DC, and I believe if we had hired an experienced DC we would be better than we are now. I’ve seen us slant the wrong way against unbalanced lines, I watched our LBs shift way out of position on jet motion to watch the RB get the ball running backside with no LB is site, I watched the TE repeatedly get open Saturday with no LB or safety in site(biting on play action instead of during what they should be coached to do), terrible tacking skills, and terrible angles (safeties running free to the ball carrier and just whiff) and on and on and on…..

[KB21]

How do you know he’s a good coach? He’s a first time DC, and I believe if we had hired an experienced DC we would be better than we are now. I’ve seen us slant the wrong way against unbalanced lines, I watched our LBs shift way out of position on jet motion to watch the RB get the ball running backside with no LB is site, I watched the TE repeatedly get open Saturday with no LB or safety in site(biting on play action instead of during what they should be coached to do), terrible tacking skills, and terrible angles (safeties running free to the ball carrier and just whiff) and on and on and on…..

You don?t coach with the coaches he has coached with and be a bad coach. The problem with saying something like ?I?ve seen them slant the wrong way? and blah blah blah is that if it happens once, that?s all you see. I?ve seen FAR MORE instances where we have players in position to make stops and they simply can?t do it.

There isn?t a scheme this unit can effectively run. The signs of poor defense were there last year. The team was 108 in pass defense efficiency last year, and they returned only one starter.

All the fire Coleman Hutzler talk is nothing more than shocked emotional fans not knowing what the issue is, not knowing how to fix it, and finding it easier to blame the coach than it is to realize what the solution is.

This isn?t a situation where we have a bunch of players who are underperforming. We have players giving their all who are simply not good enough. Coleman has done a crap ton of stuff in attempt to find something they can do passably, and nothing has worked.

I?ve seen fans say we should bring the house and play man to man behind it. Well, we did that and were burned every time. We play zone and can?t click and close fast enough. We can?t rush the passer even when we get a free blitzer. We can?t get off blocks. We can?t keep the OL from moving the LOS.

When we have two free defenders wrap up a runner at the 2 yard line only to get trucked into the endzone, that?s a talent issue.

So, in the end, we can hire Durkin. I?m fine with that because he runs the same scheme. However, unless we land a major portal haul, it?s not going to make much difference.

[TheLostDawg]

You don?t coach with the coaches he has coached with and be a bad coach. The problem with saying something like ?I?ve seen them slant the wrong way? and blah blah blah is that if it happens once, that?s all you see. I?ve seen FAR MORE instances where we have players in position to make stops and they simply can?t do it.

There isn?t a scheme this unit can effectively run. The signs of poor defense were there last year. The team was 108 in pass defense efficiency last year, and they returned only one starter.

All the fire Coleman Hutzler talk is nothing more than shocked emotional fans not knowing what the issue is, not knowing how to fix it, and finding it easier to blame the coach than it is to realize what the solution is.

This isn?t a situation where we have a bunch of players who are underperforming. We have players giving their all who are simply not good enough. Coleman has done a crap ton of stuff in attempt to find something they can do passably, and nothing has worked.

I?ve seen fans say we should bring the house and play man to man behind it. Well, we did that and were burned every time. We play zone and can?t click and close fast enough. We can?t rush the passer even when we get a free blitzer. We can?t get off blocks. We can?t keep the OL from moving the LOS.

When we have two free defenders wrap up a runner at the 2 yard line only to get trucked into the endzone, that?s a talent issue.

So, in the end, we can hire Durkin. I?m fine with that because he runs the same scheme. However, unless we land a major portal haul, it?s not going to make much difference.

To your last point, that's what worried my earlier this year. Seems all the portal gets other than Blanton were offense. We really didn't pull any big defensive guys. Hutzler should have been here instead of staying at Alabama until the NC ended.

[KB21]

To your last point, that's what worried my earlier this year. Seems all the portal gets other than Blanton were offense. We really didn't pull any big defensive guys. Hutzler should have been here instead of staying at Alabama until the NC ended.

He did both, and most of the heavy portal work had been done before this staff was even hired. The one guy who should have had some portal connections is the one holdover from last season?s staff. David Turner, and he has reportedly approached portal recruiting with a tremendous disdain for it.

[Goldendawg]

To your last point, that's what worried my earlier this year. Seems all the portal gets other than Blanton were offense. We really didn't pull any big defensive guys. Hutzler should have been here instead of staying at Alabama until the NC ended.

I think our last portal get was a DL from Northeast Mississippi Community College who had 9 total tackles in his 2 years at Northeast. He is also from Birmingham, Alabama. I have seen statements here that the portal was already picked over when Lebby got here and put a staff together. If this is not true, our evaluation and coaching them up has been terrible this year on DL, OL, and TE. We have some highly rated RS FR on both sides of the ball. It is time to put them on the field and get them some experience for next year. They can't be any worse than perhaps all these weak position groups that I have mentioned for our 1-7 team. We need to see if some of them have a SEC future with many needed portal impact players next year.

[Brobi-wan]

He did both, and most of the heavy portal work had been done before this staff was even hired. The one guy who should have had some portal connections is the one holdover from last season?s staff. David Turner, and he has reportedly approached portal recruiting with a tremendous disdain for it.

Next year is when the rebuild starts. We have to pay enough to keep the key pieces and build off of that. We will compete again. I don’t think there’s a world where we keep Hutzler. I’m not sure we get Durkin though.

[Mjoelner34]

.... The one guy who should have had some portal connections is the one holdover from last season?s staff. David Turner, and he has reportedly approached portal recruiting with a tremendous disdain for it.

If that's true, I can't say that I disagree with his view BUT it, along with NIL, are part of the game now and if you are in his position and don't attack it, you should not be on the staff. IIRC, during one of Jans' first interviews I heard him say something along the lines of "People ask 'How are you going to build the program?'. With NIL and the transfer portal, I'm not building a program. I'm building next year's team."