Sunday Morning Thoughts-Good Teams Win, Great Teams Cover

[StarkVegasSteve]

Another tough day yesterday in a tough season and in a tough last 22 months for this program. But hey, we covered for the 3rd straight week.

1. Our D played well enough to be in the game, but we left far too many plays out there. Heck we dropped to pick 6s within 4 plays of each other. It was obvious our game plan was make Weigman beat us with his arm and we excited that plan perfectly. We held them to their second lowest rushing total of the year, gave up 6 more than Arkansas. Unfortunately, Weigman executed his part of the plan perfectly as well.

2. 3rd Down was the difference in the game. Their ability to convert 3rd and medium and 3rd and long and our inability to convert 3rd and short won them the game. We just could not get off the field when it counted.

3. We have to get better on the D Line. They may be the worst MSU D Line in my lifetime. Weigman had an eternity to throw every time. We have to make an investment at that position in the portal.

4. Hutzler has improved. He has had our guys IN POSITION FAR MORE in the last 3 games than he did in the first 4. Unfortunately for us, we do not have the talent to complete the plays when they are in position to do so. Now will that save his job, probably not. But we have definitely improved schematically in the last 3.

5. Van Buren showed signs yesterday of being the answer, but he also showed signs of being a freshman. Look, there is no denying he has an absolute cannon. And an accurate one at that, but I felt like A&M made a concerted effort to take away the deep ball from him. In the first half, they were still playing a lot of man and he was still able to dissect it, but when they went zone in the second half you could see him start to struggle. He made some great throws yesterday, ie: the deep ball to Coleman and the TD to Craver, but he also missed his fair share as well. I still think if the opportunity presents itself, we will bring in a transfer.

6. The Craver injury is worrisome and the continued inability to get Akharaiyi the ball is concerning. But overall, our receiving core is as talented as it has been in a long time.

7. To the folks behind me yelling at Van Buren for sliding, IF HE GETS INJURED WE ARE DOWN TO PARSON AND JAKE WEIR. That is why we are being cautious with him. It is not because he is scared to get hit.

8. I actually did not hate the fake punt call. I mean we were not stopping them at all and at least you have the element of surprise right there instead of sending you offense out there and letting them pin their ears back. I actually was more mad about going for it in the red zone on the 1st drive, and we saw how that turned out.

9. If we continue to play the way we have been playing then 4 or 5 wins is not out of the realm of possibility. I would love to see a scenario where we are 4-7 going into the Egg Bowl. We would have everything to play for and OM would have nothing to play for with a coach with one foot out the door.

10. We need to use these last 5 games to figure out who we want long term and who we need to make sure knows how to enter the portal. I am not saying only play young guys to play them, but maybe get a look at a Xavier Gayten, or a Braylon Burnside, or a Kai McClendon.

11. It was absolutely incredible to see the 14 team come out of that tunnel with Dan leading them and Shipping Up To Boston playing. If that did not send a chill up your spine, well I can probably tell when you became a State fan.

12. Arkansas is as winnable of an SEC game as we will have coming home. They are wounded and are kind of wavering. We need to jump on them early. I think they may roll over if we do that.

[MetEdDawg]

Van Buren having some touch probably gets us another TD. That slant to Craver near the goal line had the safety out of position and he had his man beat. A little touch with some lead and it's a TD.

But Van Buren is clearly up to the task. That drive at the end of the half was beautiful. And give Luke Work credit. Another solid day for him. Our interior line was pretty bad.

Our DL in the worst I've ever seen. There's no pressure on the QB basically ever. So we have to blitz if we want to make the QB move from his spot. Why we didn't blitz on the 3rd and 23 I'm not sure. You can get away with a subpar secondary if your DL causes some havoc. We get no push ever. But credit to them for causing some turnovers. Ellington finishes the job and we might win that game.

This is clearly a team that has some young talent and a lot of older talent that isn't equipped to win ball games. But we've played two Top 5 teams and a Top 15 team and were squarely in it in the 4th quarter in all 3 of those games. When we hit the transfer portal, we need to upgrade the DL and OL badly. I almost don't care if we do anything else (although we need secondary help badly and a more dynamic RB). Go get 3 guys on each side of the line and make it happen.


Lebby has the chops to do this. Oklahoma's offense is a mess without him and our offense even with the talent gap has scored on good teams. We are improving drastically. Credit to Lebby for keeping the guys engaged. They all talk about what we are building. Lot of folks seem bought in. Hopefully he keeps them motivated because I believe we are doing certain things to prepare to win in the future.

[Mjoelner34]

2. 3rd Down was the difference in the game. Their ability to convert 3rd and medium and 3rd and long and our inability to convert 3rd and short won them the game. We just could not get off the field when it counted.


Another thing that hurt us was continually trying to run on 1st down (particularly in the 2nd half). It immediately put us in 2nd and 8 at best and many times 2nd and 10+ which let aTm pin their ears back and bring the kitchen sink after MVB on 2nd and 3rd down.

[BigDawg81]

#1) The defense was absolutely horrible on 3rd down. The turnover are great but a defense can?t depend on turnovers. Some of those are QB mistakes.

#4) I thought I saw somebody say ( I thought it was you) that State has a MOU with a sitting P4 DC

#5) MVB made freshman mistakes but he is going to be a great one. The deep ball was taking away because A&M decided to bring the house and our G5 OL was outmatched. You can?t throw the deep ball when your OL can?t pass block. When your OL is bad, it shrinks your playbook.

#8) I absolutely hated the fake punt because where it was at on the field. A&M probably would have scored anyways but it isn?t guaranteed. I think it was only a one possession lead for A&M at that time.

[NCDawg]

I agree Van Buren has a cannon arm He also has a very quick release. It amazed me how quick he got the ball out with defensive players all around him and in his face.

[NCMSTFAN]

5) If we bring in a transfer QB it should be for depth purposes only, MVB is the future. He has pretty much everything you want in a QB. Yes he makes some mistakes and will have to clean some trhings up but that comes with being a true Freshman QB. He's gone against Texas, Georgia and A&M and has shown everyone he belongs and the lights aren't too bright.

[MBDawg601]

Fake punt is a call that, if it works you are a genius and if it fails you're an idiot.

I like the aggressiveness and our staff knows we are going to need some things, outside of normal gameplanning, to happen in our favor to pull out wins.

The first three games of this season were beyond awful, the past three games have been exciting to watch and we have been in all of them against 3 of the best teams in our conference.

[PMDawg]

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[parabrave]

Dam the interior OL dam near got VB killed yesterday. Heck they could done better by just falling down and making the bull rush jump over them That would have at least slowed them down. Now also VB you're gonna have to do better in recognizing they are about to bullrush you and make adjustment.

[FISHDAWG]

Fake punts almost never work for us... It took Mullen several years to learn that and it gave them an easy TD ... in a game that is lost by 10 points it could have made a difference.
MVB should get the reins - transfer in a backup and continue to invest in the future.

[confucius say]

Hutzler has definitely improved. He can't catch the ball for Ellington and Mitchell.

Wish MVB would get down by diving forward instead of sliding. Difference in 3 yards. You're down when your hips begin to sink if you slide.

Have not seen a transfer qb we could realistically get as a 2-10/3-9 team that id rather have than MVB. That includes Arnold.

I think Arkansas is better than Missouri.

[RockyDog]

Van Buren having some touch probably gets us another TD. That slant to Craver near the goal line had the safety out of position and he had his man beat. A little touch with some lead and it's a TD.

But Van Buren is clearly up to the task. That drive at the end of the half was beautiful. And give Luke Work credit. Another solid day for him. Our interior line was pretty bad.

Our DL in the worst I've ever seen. There's no pressure on the QB basically ever. So we have to blitz if we want to make the QB move from his spot. Why we didn't blitz on the 3rd and 23 I'm not sure. You can get away with a subpar secondary if your DL causes some havoc. We get no push ever. But credit to them for causing some turnovers. Ellington finishes the job and we might win that game.

This is clearly a team that has some young talent and a lot of older talent that isn't equipped to win ball games. But we've played two Top 5 teams and a Top 15 team and were squarely in it in the 4th quarter in all 3 of those games. When we hit the transfer portal, we need to upgrade the DL and OL badly. I almost don't care if we do anything else (although we need secondary help badly and a more dynamic RB). Go get 3 guys on each side of the line and make it happen.


Lebby has the chops to do this. Oklahoma's offense is a mess without him and our offense even with the talent gap has scored on good teams. We are improving drastically. Credit to Lebby for keeping the guys engaged. They all talk about what we are building. Lot of folks seem bought in. Hopefully he keeps them motivated because I believe we are doing certain things to prepare to win in the future.

The slant to Craver was tipped. It was very slight but enough to cause the ball to wobble and drift behind him. Unfortunate but van Buren seems to sling some from the 3/4 arm slot

[parabrave]

He will learn touch on the ball as he progresses. Remember his 1st couple of long balls be overthrew the receivers by a mile and now he can put it in a teacup.. Also he will learn he doesn't have to throw lazers on all short passes.

[Matt3467]

Saw these stats posted elsewhere:

Out of 133 FBS teams, we are:
#133 Sacks
#130 TFLs
#130 3rd Down DEF
#122 Total DEF
#121 Passing Efficiency DEF
#117 Scoring DEF
#114 Rush DEF
#112 Passing Yards Allowed

Talent or not we have the worst DC in the country. We can tell ourselves Hutzler has been improving and maybe has although he certainly couldn't get worse.

[TrapGame]

3rd and 23, Hutz rushes three. WTF?

Not bringing the house there is criminal. If Weigman hit a receiver before someone got him, so be it, but not bringing everyone on that play is just inept, shit coaching.

We are a competent defensive coordinator away from being a good team. Talent? Yeah, we need some but we need a guy that knows what to do with what he's got.

[Cooterpoot]

Defense is pitiful
The rest looks pretty good

[99jc]

Saw these stats posted elsewhere:

Out of 133 FBS teams, we are:
#133 Sacks
#130 TFLs
#130 3rd Down DEF
#122 Total DEF
#121 Passing Efficiency DEF
#117 Scoring DEF
#114 Rush DEF
#112 Passing Yards Allowed

Talent or not we have the worst DC in the country. We can tell ourselves Hutzler has been improving and maybe has although he certainly couldn't get worse.

man that makes Peter Sermone look good. can anyone post his stats?

[Goldendawg]

man that makes Peter Sermone look good. can anyone post his stats?

Go to Sixpack and read the thread "Fire Hutzler Now". Article from Columbus Dispatch is quoted showing more details of his $1 million per year four year contact. Even more terrible details than just the $4 million even if he leaves. BUT: What do I know? Our family couldn't even find our 8 seats in Section 4 after 55 plus years of sitting mainly in about the same seats.***** Did get the "Gameday" apology from MSU by email followed by another email wanting more $ to join "The Cristal Society".

[Pancho]

where did your seats go?

[StarkVegasSteve]

Go to Sixpack and read the thread "Fire Hutzler Now". Article from Columbus Dispatch is quoted showing more details of his $1 million per year four year contact. Even more terrible details than just the $4 million even if he leaves. BUT: What do I know? Our family couldn't even find our 8 seats in Section 4 after 55 plus years of sitting mainly in about the same seats.***** Did get the "Gameday" apology from MSU by email followed by another email wanting more $ to join "The Cristal Society".

Can we get an explanation on this one? Do you mean someone was in your seats? Or like the seats had been physically removed?

[StarkVegasSteve]

Hutzler has definitely improved. He can't catch the ball for Ellington and Mitchell.

Wish MVB would get down by diving forward instead of sliding. Difference in 3 yards. You're down when your hips begin to sink if you slide.

Have not seen a transfer qb we could realistically get as a 2-10/3-9 team that id rather have than MVB. That includes Arnold.

I think Arkansas is better than Missouri.

Well we are going to go after a transfer QB and it is probably going to be Jackson Arnold. That has been in the cards since he was replaced during the Tennessee game for them and Shapen went down.

[parabrave]

Well we are going to go after a transfer QB and it is probably going to be Jackson Arnold. That has been in the cards since he was replaced during the Tennessee game for them and Shapen went down.

Who is he starting for????

[Cooterpoot]

1. Seriously doubt we go after Arnold. He's got baggage and wants a guaranteed starting spot. We don't need his drama.
2. We need a real DC on the worst way.
3. Recruiting on the defensive side has been awful minus a couple guys, especially the DL and Edge
4. Damn this offense will be great when we get an OL

[StarkVegasSteve]

Who is he starting for????

He'll compete with Van Buren. If Van Buren is as good as everyone on here thinks he is then he'll win the job. I do know for a fact that Arnold is not asking for a guaranteed starting spot. He was going to transfer out of all likelihood anyways. They went to OU SOLELY because of Lebby but they offered him the world to keep him so he wanted to stay for a year to see if they could make it work. If you had to ask me right now, Arnold wins the job. Familiarity with the offense and familiarity with Lebby. Lebby handpicked this guy to be his QB at Oklahoma after Gabriel.

[parabrave]

He'll compete with Van Buren. If Van Buren is as good as everyone on here thinks he is then he'll win the job. I do know for a fact that Arnold is not asking for a guaranteed starting spot. He was going to transfer out of all likelihood anyways. They went to OU SOLELY because of Lebby but they offered him the world to keep him so he wanted to stay for a year to see if they could make it work. If you had to ask me right now, Arnold wins the job. Familiarity with the offense and familiarity with Lebby. Lebby handpicked this guy to be his QB at Oklahoma after Gabriel.

But now we have to worry about spending NIL in the right spots. And right now it seem we have more pressing needs than to have 2 high priced QBs because MVB price will probably go up..

[StarkVegasSteve]

But now we have to worry about spending NIL in the right spots. And right now it seem we have more pressing needs than to have 2 high priced QBs because MVB price will probably go up..

And that's where I've stopped short of saying it's a guarantee that we'll get Arnold, Mateer, Stone, Brown, etc. If the price is driven up too much then we have to back out. You have to always be looking to improve your team AT EVERY POSITION. But you can't get greedy trying to upgrade one when it is to the detriment of another. I mean if Auburn offers Arnold the world, which they may do, we can't get into a bidding war with Jimmy Rane because that would be of detriment to what we need on the DL, OL, and in the secondary. However, we got the money to get in some bidding wars. We got plenty of it.

[Cooterpoot]

Arnold isn't likely coming here and he wouldn't beat out MVB anyway. He's wanting NIL, and he's going to go somewhere where he's guaranteed a spot. He's got some issues that we don't need here either. I won't be surprised if he's playing more again at OK with the OC change.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Arnold isn't likely coming here and he wouldn't beat out MVB anyway. He's wanting NIL, and he's going to go somewhere where he's guaranteed a spot. He's got some issues that we don't need here either. I won't be surprised if he's playing more again at OK with the OC change.

And he may. He's a lot closer to JJF than he ever was to Littrell. The family didn't like Littrell. I do think he transfers though. And I believe it will be here or Auburn. Baylor is a wild card depending on who they hire after Arranda gets canned, but I believe it comes down to those two schools. They want to stay in the SEC.

[Johnson85]

He'll compete with Van Buren. If Van Buren is as good as everyone on here thinks he is then he'll win the job. I do know for a fact that Arnold is not asking for a guaranteed starting spot. He was going to transfer out of all likelihood anyways. They went to OU SOLELY because of Lebby but they offered him the world to keep him so he wanted to stay for a year to see if they could make it work. If you had to ask me right now, Arnold wins the job. Familiarity with the offense and familiarity with Lebby. Lebby handpicked this guy to be his QB at Oklahoma after Gabriel.

Having another option at QB would be great, but I can't imagine that's going to be a priority when we've got a promising young QB, unless we don't think Van Buren will stay. Much better to roll the dice and know that we're screwed if Van Buren gets hurt than to pass on upgrading defense because we want to make sure we have a qb competition and a good backup. Could very well end up having NIL tied up in a backup that never plays while our lack of defensive talent ensures we can't win against decent teams.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Having another option at QB would be great, but I can't imagine that's going to be a priority when we've got a promising young QB, unless we don't think Van Buren will stay. Much better to roll the dice and know that we're screwed if Van Buren gets hurt than to pass on upgrading defense because we want to make sure we have a qb competition and a good backup. Could very well end up having NIL tied up in a backup that never plays while our lack of defensive talent ensures we can't win against decent teams.

Again, I'm not saying go overspend to have a QB. I am saying that we are going to go get a QB and there will be a competition. I mean why are people not saying that we need to pull Kamario Taylor's scholarship since Van Buren is only a freshman. I mean half of y'all were telling me a month ago that Taylor was better than Van Buren and Van Buren would never play. Now we have to go balls to the walls to make sure there's no competition.

[TrapGame]

I think we need healthy competition with the QBs but spending a ton on Arnold would be stupid. There will be a few good QBs on the market we could probably snag cheaper. Van Buren has the team more so than I thought. I've definitely cooled on bringing Arnold in as option, especially if he expects a starting job. I'd much rather money go to the defensive side of the ball. We are a corner, edge rusher and maybe a stout blitzing LB from a good defense. Oh, and a DC that knows what he's doing.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I think we need healthy competition with the QBs but spending a ton on Arnold would be stupid. There will be a few good QBs on the market we could probably snag cheaper. Van Buren has the team more so than I thought. I've definitely cooled on bringing Arnold in as option, especially if he expects a starting job. I'd much rather money go to the defensive side of the ball. We are a corner, edge rusher and maybe a stout blitzing LB from a good defense. Oh, and a DC that knows what he's doing.

That I agree with. If the tag is too pricey, or he wants a guaranteed spot then you pass. We can go find a guy who will want to compete as there will be more than a few out there. However, we have money to spend on a top QB and money to go get top tier defensive talent.

[gtowndawg]

Surely we spend our money on defense and o lineman, not another QB.

[confucius say]

Saw these stats posted elsewhere:

Out of 133 FBS teams, we are:
#133 Sacks
#130 TFLs
#130 3rd Down DEF
#122 Total DEF
#121 Passing Efficiency DEF
#117 Scoring DEF
#114 Rush DEF
#112 Passing Yards Allowed

Talent or not we have the worst DC in the country. We can tell ourselves Hutzler has been improving and maybe has although he certainly couldn't get worse.

I've been off the Hutzler train since Florida.
But it's hard to know what he is capable of when we have G5 defense talent wise, at best. Actually, we have guys playing that couldn't get in the field at G5 schools last year.

I'm good with moving on, but it's way more a talent problem than coaching.

[confucius say]

3rd and 23, Hutz rushes three. WTF?

Not bringing the house there is criminal. If Weigman hit a receiver before someone got him, so be it, but not bringing everyone on that play is just inept, shit coaching.

We are a competent defensive coordinator away from being a good team. Talent? Yeah, we need some but we need a guy that knows what to do with what he's got.

So you want to play cover 0 there? That's probably 6 if you do that with our secondary.
I mean I'm not against trying it at this point, but we don't have the talent to run it so just as likely to not work as dropping 8.

[confucius say]

Well we are going to go after a transfer QB and it is probably going to be Jackson Arnold. That has been in the cards since he was replaced during the Tennessee game for them and Shapen went down.

Ok. That's risky though. Personally I would not.

[TrapGame]

So you want to play cover 0 there? That's probably 6 of you do with our secondary.
I mean I'm not against trying it at this point, but we don't have the talent to run it so just as likely to not work as dropping 8.

Dropping 8 did absolutely DICK. Bring the ****ing house. If he beats you, he beats. Dropping 8 on 3rd and 23 was bending over. Those three dropped interceptions we had were b/c we actually got some pressure on Weigman.

[Jarius]

I think it's funny that you are worried about MVB sliding as if him getting hurt would make a damn in this season. We are going 2-10 or 3-9 anyway. Who gives a sh*T if he gets hurt running the offense at this point? It literally does not matter. The people yelling at him for sliding are right. He doesn't need to be an idiot and play like Corral, but he needs to run the offense and stop acting like it matters to this team or season if he happens to get hurt doing so.

[Matt3467]

So what's going on with Shapen? I thought I heard somewhere he was trying for another year of eligibility?

[StarkVegasSteve]

I think it's funny that you are worried about MVB sliding as if him getting hurt would make a damn in this season. We are going 2-10 or 3-9 anyway. Who gives a sh*T if he gets hurt running the offense at this point? It literally does not matter. The people yelling at him for sliding are right. He doesn't need to be an idiot and play like Corral, but he needs to run the offense and stop acting like it matters to this team or season if he happens to get hurt doing so.

Because if we look like hell on offense, the current skill players we have, who are good by the way, will transfer. I mean if we run Parson out there, who apparently can't complete a forward pass or Jake Weir, who I know would get killed in an actual D1 football game, we will look like hell. Let's keep our QB healthy and actually look good on offense.

[Jarius]

Because if we look like hell on offense, the current skill players we have, who are good by the way, will transfer. I mean if we run Parson out there, who apparently can't complete a forward pass or Jake Weir, who I know would get killed in an actual D1 football game, we will look like hell. Let's keep our QB healthy and actually look good on offense.

No one is going to transfer if we look bad with a 3rd string quarterback. Run the offense. And stop giving it on the zone read 95 % of the time when there is 50 yards of green grass in front of you if you keep it. Players aren't that stupid. They know the offense works. There is a difference in sliding strategically and playing scared, which is what we are currently forcing our qb to do.

[StarkVegasSteve]

So what's going on with Shapen? I thought I heard somewhere he was trying for another year of eligibility?

He will, but he won't be ready by Spring. My guess is that we'll help him get the medical RS and evaluate where we are at the QB position in the offseason. If we've brought in competition for MVB, which I expect us to do, I imagine Shapen will transfer and play elsewhere in 25. If not, I would expect he'll ramp up and be ready to go in the summer and compete for the job, and probably win it, in fall camp.

[TrapGame]

I think it's funny that you are worried about MVB sliding as if him getting hurt would make a damn in this season. We are going 2-10 or 3-9 anyway. Who gives a sh*T if he gets hurt running the offense at this point? It literally does not matter. The people yelling at him for sliding are right. He doesn't need to be an idiot and play like Corral, but he needs to run the offense and stop acting like it matters to this team or season if he happens to get hurt doing so.

You can't be ****ing serious?

[StarkVegasSteve]

No one is going to transfer if we look bad with a 3rd string quarterback. Run the offense. And stop giving it on the zone read 95 % of the time when there is 50 yards of green grass in front of you if you keep it. Players aren't that stupid. They know the offense works.

This isn't 2019. They can, and will, transfer if the offense looks bad. Hell, we gotta worry about 2-3 of them transferring if the offense looks good. I mean what if MVB gets hurt like Shapen and is out til September or October of 25? Then what do we do? No QB will want to come here with us just constantly running our QBs into getting injured. We would be left with probably just Jake Weir for Spring Practice because Parson is transferring.

[Jarius]

You can't be ****ing serious?

Yes, chicken little. I am serious.

[Jarius]

This isn't 2019. They can, and will, transfer if the offense looks bad. Hell, we gotta worry about 2-3 of them transferring if the offense looks good. I mean what if MVB gets hurt like Shapen and is out til September or October of 25? Then what do we do? No QB will want to come here with us just constantly running our QBs into getting injured. We would be left with probably just Jake Weir for Spring Practice because Parson is transferring.

Yea, no they aren't. I'm also not advocating (as I have said) to play like it's the 4th quarter of the super bowl and get yourself killed, but they are going overboard in a season where we are going 2-10 or 3-9 no matter what. It's ridiculous.

[TrapGame]

Yes, chicken little. I am serious.

We've got ONE QB right now. You keep him upright and healthy. Dear God, our fans suck.

Give me your Venmo so I can send you a dollar to buy a clue.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Yea, no they aren't. I'm also not advocating (as I have said) to play like it's the 4th quarter of the super bowl and get yourself killed, but they are going overboard in a season where we are going 2-10 or 3-9 no matter what. It's ridiculous.

Yea......they are. We have already had to renegotiate 3 NIL deals in season to keep players from sitting out, not just on offense. You still have to play smart. A little history lesson, I mean you bring up Corral, go watch the 2020 Ole Miss offense. He was constantly sliding because they didn't want him taking hits. Same thing with the 2022 OM offense with Dart. You keep young players from taking too many hits because their body is not ready to take that kind of punishment. Let him build strength and then he can start absorbing more hits. You literally just said it doesn't matter so what's the difference between 3 yards and sliding and 5 yards and a MLB taking a shot at him.

[StarkVegasSteve]

We've got ONE QB right now. You keep him upright and healthy. Dear God, our fans suck.

Give me your Venmo so I can send you a dollar to buy a clue.

You can't make people see what they don't want to. They want us to run our QBs into the ground like Dan did. They fail to realize that all of Dan's QB were basically TE's that could throw, or in Fitz's case, a WR who could throw. They were big bodied guys, or could flat out run people in Nick's case. MVB, nor any other QB currently on our roster, is that type of guy. No QB that Lebby recruits is going to be that type of build. That's what makes Kamario Taylor so unique. Lebby has never had a QB like that. Big body with a huge arm.

[Jarius]

We've got ONE QB right now. You keep him upright and healthy. Dear God, our fans suck.

Give me your Venmo so I can send you a dollar to buy a clue.

We are 1-6 and about to go 2-10 with or without him, you Neanderthal. We need to run the offense like it’s supposed to be run. You are too stupid to have a conversation with.

[Jarius]

Yea......they are. We have already had to renegotiate 3 NIL deals in season to keep players from sitting out, not just on offense. You still have to play smart. A little history lesson, I mean you bring up Corral, go watch the 2020 Ole Miss offense. He was constantly sliding because they didn't want him taking hits. Same thing with the 2022 OM offense with Dart. You keep young players from taking too many hits because their body is not ready to take that kind of punishment. Let him build strength and then he can start absorbing more hits. You literally just said it doesn't matter so what's the difference between 3 yards and sliding and 5 yards and a MLB taking a shot at him.

For the third time, since you obviously didn’t read the first 2 times I posted it. I’m not advocating for him playing reckless. I’m advocating us to run the actual offense. There are times to slide and times to run the offense. Handing it off on the read every single time is stupid AF. Sliding 10 seconds before anyone is about to hit you is stupid.

[StarkVegasSteve]

For the third time, since you obviously didn’t read the first 2 times I posted it. I’m not advocating for him playing reckless. I’m advocating us to run the actual offense. There are times to slide and times to run the offense. Handing it off on the read every single time is stupid AF. Sliding 10 seconds before anyone is about to hit you is stupid.

But sliding is the offense and handing it off on those RPOs is the offense........always has been. This isn't Dan's power spread. We're not running read option. We're running RPOs. They deviated from it in 21 at OM because they had no one else to run the ball. Ealy was banged up, Parrish was banged up, and I'm pretty sure the 3rd string was too. He'll get better with time learning when to slide, but hell the kid is damn Freshman making his 3rd start. He's 18 years old.

[Jarius]

But sliding is the offense and handing it off on those RPOs is the offense........always has been. This isn't Dan's power spread. We're not running read option. We're running RPOs. They deviated from it in 21 at OM because they had no one else to run the ball. Ealy was banged up, Parrish was banged up, and I'm pretty sure the 3rd string was too. He'll get better with time learning when to slide, but hell the kid is damn Freshman making his 3rd start. He's 18 years old.

He’s 20 years old, actually. And no one wants him to never slide. No
One wants him to run himself into the ground. Just run the offense. He’s currently not, no matter what you say. He’s playing really well to be this handicapped.

[StarkVegasSteve]

He’s 20 years old, actually. And no one wants him to never slide. No
One wants him to run himself into the ground. Just run the offense. He’s currently not, no matter what you say. He’s playing really well to be this handicapped.

Maybe you misunderstood the OP. I'm not saying he needs to be sliding where he's sliding. He slid too short mutliple times on Saturday. The point I was making was that the folks behind me were wanting him to run head first into the MLB and act like he was GD Chris Relf at 6'4 240. He's 6'1 like 195.

I do agree that he is playing well to be as handicapped as he is by a god awful offensive line.

[TrapGame]

We are 1-6 and about to go 2-10 with or without him, you Neanderthal. We need to run the offense like it’s supposed to be run. You are too stupid to have a conversation with.

And MVB goes down and NO ONE RUNS THE OFFENSE.

You take the one bright spot on this team and kill it. No one shows up for a total shit show.

You definitely have the rational thinking of a neanderthal.

[Jarius]

Maybe you misunderstood the OP. I'm not saying he needs to be sliding where he's sliding. He slid too short mutliple times on Saturday. The point I was making was that the folks behind me were wanting him to run head first into the MLB and act like he was GD Chris Relf at 6'4 240. He's 6'1 like 195.

I do agree that he is playing well to be as handicapped as he is by a god awful offensive line.

I definitely don't want him running like Relf or Fitz. I just want the other team to actually have to account for him on the zone read and for him to pick up the first down instead of sliding when no one is around. That's it. We are on the same page.

[Jarius]

And MVB goes down and NO ONE RUNS THE OFFENSE.

You take the one bright spot on this team and kill it. No one shows up for a total shit show.

You definitely have the rational thinking of a neanderthal.

Yea we definitely don't want our quarterback to get hurt and for us to have a bad season because of it. The adults are talking. Go to bed.

[TrapGame]

Yea we definitely don't want our quarterback to get hurt and for us to have a bad season because of it. The adults are talking. Go to bed.

That's funny coming from the kids' table.

And yes, I see you rephrased the argument.

[confucius say]

I think it's funny that you are worried about MVB sliding as if him getting hurt would make a damn in this season. We are going 2-10 or 3-9 anyway. Who gives a sh*T if he gets hurt running the offense at this point? It literally does not matter. The people yelling at him for sliding are right. He doesn't need to be an idiot and play like Corral, but he needs to run the offense and stop acting like it matters to this team or season if he happens to get hurt doing so.

It absolutely matters.
Every rep he gets matters.
And it matters for recruiting. There is a reason CC made the statements he did this weekend.

[Coach34]

3rd and 23- you rush 4 and play man underneath with 2 high or stem you 2 DT's late into 3 techs and bring both inside LB's like Georgia was doing to Texas to make them throw quick before they wanted to. That soft drop 8 crap is for teams like the Airbone

[StarkVegasSteve]

3rd and 23- you rush 4 and play man underneath with 2 high or stem you 2 DT's late into 3 techs and bring both inside LB's like Georgia was doing to Texas to make them throw quick before they wanted to. That soft drop 8 crap is for teams like the Airbone

I know the play you're talking about with UGA/Texas. That was a hell of a play design by Schumann/Kirby. They bull rushed Ewers on that one.

[Goldendawg]

Can we get an explanation on this one? Do you mean someone was in your seats? Or like the seats had been physically removed?

The stickers numbering each row in Section 4 and each seat had been so faded for years that you could hardly read them. Sometime since the GA game they put on new stickers, but they mislabeled the rows from the bottom up in the entire section, (Example: If you were on row 20 and looked straight across to the parallel row in Section 5 it was number 21). People were trying to sit in the rows as newly marked or trying to sit in their seats that that they knew were incorrectly numbered. It was a total embarrassing mess. My son and I had give my nephew our two seats and we had moved higher up in 4 with a friend.and two ladies who sit on row 19 were having to use our row 20 seats. I went down after a text from my nephew to help and most everyone was upset. The family of 4 four sitting higher up in front of us was upset as they had driven from Chattanooga for their only game of the year and their chair backs were taken by others in this mess. The usher told me that even the Facilities Mgr had been there to look at the fiasco. MSU sent out an e-mail that night apologizing to every person in Section 4 and said it would be corrected for the Arky game. We don't seem to be sweating many details on or off the field in many ways the last couple of years. Couldn't even number the rows correctly and someone didn't check the project. What a joke!

[StarkVegasSteve]

The stickers numbering each row in Section 4 and each seat had been so faded for years that you could hardly read them. Sometime since the GA game they put on new stickers, but they mislabeled the rows from the bottom up in the entire section, (Example: If you were on row 20 and looked straight across to the parallel row in Section 5 it was number 21). People were trying to sit in the rows as newly marked or trying to sit in their seats that that they knew were incorrectly numbered. It was a total embarrassing mess. My son and I had give my nephew our two seats and we had moved higher up in 4 with a friend.and two ladies who sit on row 19 were having to use our row 20 seats. I went down after a tet from my nephew to help and most everyone was upset.

Yea that's not good. Yet another reason we need to chairback the stadium. Unfortunately due to how it is built and the slope that is not possible. I think we could chairbacks from the 20s on both sides though and be ok.

[Coach34]

I know the play you're talking about with UGA/Texas. That was a hell of a play design by Schumann/Kirby. They bull rushed Ewers on that one.

They do a helluva job with timing on shifts. Nothing special about the blitz but the quick shift just before the snap throws off the offense so often. Just great scouting by them to get timing right week after week

[StarkVegasSteve]

They do a helluva job with timing on shifts. Nothing special about the blitz but the quick shift just before the snap throws off the offense so often. Just great scouting by them to get timing right week after week


Yea they shifted split seconds before the snap and then brought the LBers. Texas didn't have any chance on reacting well to it.

[Coach34]

yep- no time left to change the protection before the snap at that point and the offense is stuck if they are in the wrong one

[Cooterpoot]

No one is going to transfer if we look bad with a 3rd string quarterback. Run the offense. And stop giving it on the zone read 95 % of the time when there is 50 yards of green grass in front of you if you keep it. Players aren't that stupid. They know the offense works. There is a difference in sliding strategically and playing scared, which is what we are currently forcing our qb to do.

MVB is the damn future. You don't want him hurt.

[confucius say]

3rd and 23- you rush 4 and play man underneath with 2 high or stem you 2 DT's late into 3 techs and bring both inside LB's like Georgia was doing to Texas to make them throw quick before they wanted to. That soft drop 8 crap is for teams like the Airbone

Apparently we did rush 4 on that play. I thought it was 3 too. But we played zone behind it I think.

[Offshore Dawg]

Chair back every other row in the lower bowl. Can't sell out anyway.

[Cooterpoot]

Chair back every other row in the lower bowl. Can't sell out anyway.

Put a good team on the field and we'll sell out

[Todd4State]

You can't make people see what they don't want to. They want us to run our QBs into the ground like Dan did. They fail to realize that all of Dan's QB were basically TE's that could throw, or in Fitz's case, a WR who could throw. They were big bodied guys, or could flat out run people in Nick's case. MVB, nor any other QB currently on our roster, is that type of guy. No QB that Lebby recruits is going to be that type of build. That's what makes Kamario Taylor so unique. Lebby has never had a QB like that. Big body with a huge arm.

Dan's QB's were also constantly injured and beaten up too. Of course, IMO he was running them an extreme amount of times- sometimes upwards of 20 times a game including scrambles, etc. That's no different than a RB carrying the ball 20 times a game and may be worse in that teams get a shot on the QB they know that if they take that guy out it's going to derail the whole offense. See the 2017 Egg Bowl.

Now I don't mind running the QB some- but do it like 3-5 times a game as opposed to 20. Lebby's offense is built much more around the QB throwing the ball first and running as needed as opposed to Dan's which was more about the QB running and throwing it all the time.

You are 100% correct on Kamario. That dude is an absolute freak and having him follow MVB is going to be exciting. That said MVB can and will add more muscle to his frame as he develops and grows as a player. He reminds me a lot of Dillion Gabriel which is maybe an obvious comparison. But I think it fits MVB.

[Todd4State]

No one is going to transfer if we look bad with a 3rd string quarterback. Run the offense. And stop giving it on the zone read 95 % of the time when there is 50 yards of green grass in front of you if you keep it. Players aren't that stupid. They know the offense works. There is a difference in sliding strategically and playing scared, which is what we are currently forcing our qb to do.

We literally began to have trouble with offensive recruits after we played Toledo because we looked awful against them. MSU absolutely needs to show recruits signs of hope to get them here.

[PMDawg]

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[Pancho]

ease up on the sauce, jarius. u maketh not much rational sense