Sunday Night Thoughts-We May Have Found A QB Between The Hedges Pt. 2

[StarkVegasSteve]

An encouraging day between the hedges yesterday sans the final score. We put together drives and had really solid effort all day, outside of the Lanier play.

1. We have something in MVB. I am not ready to crown him the heir apparent just yet and I still want to bring in Arnold if we have the opportunity, but we are not as dire at the position now as I thought we were headed into the game. MVB settled in to the game and started to show some moxie. It reminded me a little of Will Rogers going in there in 2020 and kind of establishing himself as the future of the position at State.

2. Defense is still bad, but they played with really good effort yesterday and I never thought they were out of position. Forced 2 TOs and probably should have forced at least two more.

3. I still have no clue what happened on the Lanier play. I saw today he said he thought the guy dropped the ball, but even if he did, why not just take the guy to the ground.

4. Lebby finally took the kid gloves off MVB in the 2nd half and I thought we saw him mature before our eyes. He could not hit the broad side of the barn in the 1st half from 5-15 yds, but thought in the 2nd half he settled in to the game and started finding those short crossing routes.

5. MVB can throw the deep ball, and place it, as good as any QB we have had in my lifetime. We saw it a bit last week but he consistently dropped it in the bucket yesterday.

6. Our WRs came to play yesterday and it showed. KellyA finally did what we have been expecting him to do, Traore finally played like he is capable of playing, Coleman did Coleman things, and Craver looked like his explosive self once again. We have to continue to find ways to get those guys the ball and get Mosley involved too.

7. Our run game was a disappointment at times yesterday but opened up once Lebby turned MVB loose. I still think Daniels needs to be RB1 going forward but thought Booth actually looked for the holes yesterday and made a nice catch on the 4th down TD.

8. Kirby Smart and the officials can go kick 17 rocks. If that was Lebby, they would have flagged him, fined him, and tried to suspend him this week. Kirby gets to laugh about it.

9. I thought our line looked good in spurts yesterday and for the most part protected MVB well. Like I said, run game was not where it has been, but I would not hate rolling with that group going forward and keeping Work out there at LT

10. 12 million can buy you a lot, it still cannot buy you a win in Tiger Stadium.

11. I like where we are trending and think 4-8 or even 5-7 is gettable.

12. Be great to have the 14 team back this weekend and for the love of god folks, DO NOT BOO DAN.

[Todd4State]

I think the past two games are going to really pay off for MVB the rest of the season. Most of our games are at home minus Tennessee and the Egg Bowl. Tennessee can be tough but it won't be any more difficult than Georgia or Texas.

I agree that Daniels should start at RB. I think Booth is a big part of the problem with the running game. He's just not very good. If Xavier Gayten was healthy I would use him and Daniels. Even when Booth got a TD on fourth down it looked like he was about to go down and no one was around him. Thankfully he fell in the end zone because it was fourth down. We also can't run up the middle and we need to stop. Run outside or something.

You nailed it with the Kirby Smart comment. That was unacceptable if even if it was an accident. Should have been a flag at the very least.

You are right about the 12 million comment. I think LSU had the right gameplan looking at the defensive statistics. Ole Miss is almost as bad as we are at defending the pass. When the Egg Bowl comes around we need to take some shots because we should be able to hit some. The thing is LSU's QB had a bad game and if he had even been average that game is a LSU blowout. I bet we see similar game plans against Ole Miss as teams are becoming more and more analytical.

I would be pretty surprised if Dan gets booed.

[TrapGame]

I think the past two games are going to really pay off for MVB the rest of the season. Most of our games are at home minus Tennessee and the Egg Bowl. Tennessee can be tough but it won't be any more difficult than Georgia or Texas.

I agree that Daniels should start at RB. I think Booth is a big part of the problem with the running game. He's just not very good. If Xavier Gayten was healthy I would use him and Daniels. Even when Booth got a TD on fourth down it looked like he was about to go down and no one was around him. Thankfully he fell in the end zone because it was fourth down. We also can't run up the middle and we need to stop. Run outside or something.

You nailed it with the Kirby Smart comment. That was unacceptable if even if it was an accident. Should have been a flag at the very least.

You are right about the 12 million comment. I think LSU had the right gameplan looking at the defensive statistics. Ole Miss is almost as bad as we are at defending the pass. When the Egg Bowl comes around we need to take some shots because we should be able to hit some. The thing is LSU's QB had a bad game and if he had even been average that game is a LSU blowout. I bet we see similar game plans against Ole Miss as teams are becoming more and more analytical.

I would be pretty surprised if Dan gets booed.

It already looks like MVB has played his way into a permanent starting position. Shapen is an injury liability at this point. I hate it but it is what it is. I still see us with Jackson Arnold b/c Oklahoma's offense is worse than ours.

If OM finishes 9-3 and misses the playoffs there are gonna be some really pissed off members of the Grove Collective. IMO, Pete Golding was the only OM coach earning his paycheck Saturday night.

[StarkVegasSteve]

It already looks like MVB has played his way into a permanent starting position. Shapen is an injury liability at this point. I hate it but it is what it is. I still see us with Jackson Arnold b/c Oklahoma's offense is worse than ours.

If OM finishes 9-3 and misses the playoffs there are gonna be some really pissed off members of the Grove Collective. IMO, Pete Golding was the only OM coach earning his paycheck Saturday night.

I mean go read Twitter or an OM message board right now or any time since Kyren Lacy caught that pass Saturday night. They are pissed. And honestly, rightfully so. When you have a coach bring in THAT MUCH TALENT, call it The Last Dance, constantly call out the fans for not staying or not donating enough, AND THEN YOU LOSE.......Lane deserves every bit of hate he will get for the next 11 days. And Walker Jones deserves to lose every dollar that was donated. Btw, go read some of the stuff people were posting about him. I mean damn, he was the 3rd most hated person in Oxford Saturday night. Right behind Kiffin and the RB coach.

[RockyDog]

It already looks like MVB has played his way into a permanent starting position. Shapen is an injury liability at this point. I hate it but it is what it is. I still see us with Jackson Arnold b/c Oklahoma's offense is worse than ours.

If OM finishes 9-3 and misses the playoffs there are gonna be some really pissed off members of the Grove Collective. IMO, Pete Golding was the only OM coach earning his paycheck Saturday night.

MVB came on strong and glad to have him for the rest of the season. How it plays out after that, who knows.

That has been part of the problem with our fanbase. MSU fans fall in love with a player and want to anoint them as the savior for the rest of their career. And sometimes it just doesn't work out. QBs can regress, or god forbid, somebody better just comes along or the player leaves on their own. It happens all over the college football landscape. Look at Will Howard. He led Kansas State to a 9-4 record finishing in the top 25 and took the money to go to Ohio State. Riley Leonard left Duke, Cam Ward left Washington State. There is no loyalty. These guys left GOOD teams in major conferences to go play for one of the bigger boys.

We have got to learn, as a fanbase, to support the TEAM and not get too caught up in the individual player. That is especially going to be true going forward in the NIL world of college football. These guys aren't loyal to the school colors near as much as you are as a FAN.

[TrapGame]

MVB came on strong and glad to have him for the rest of the season. How it plays out after that, who knows.

That has been part of the problem with our fanbase. MSU fans fall in love with a player and want to anoint them as the savior for the rest of their career. And sometimes it just doesn't work out. QBs can regress, or god forbid, somebody better just comes along or the player leaves on their own. It happens all over the college football landscape. Look at Will Howard. He led Kansas State to a 9-4 record finishing in the top 25 and took the money to go to Ohio State. Riley Leonard left Duke, Cam Ward left Washington State. There is no loyalty. These guys left GOOD teams in major conferences to go play for one of the bigger boys.

We have got to learn, as a fanbase, to support the TEAM and not get too caught up in the individual player. That is especially going to be true going forward in the NIL world of college football. These guys aren't loyal to the school colors near as much as you are as a FAN.

Thanks for the PSA, Scooter.

And that's exactly why Lebby will probably bring in Arnold. It's about winning not coddling feelings.

[R2Dawg]

Ok, so is Dan a special guest this weekend or he calling the game?

While I hated the way he left, we do need to embrace him at this point. He can be a great spokesman for us going forward in the media as he promotes himself and what he did at MSU. In the end it is good for MSU. MSU was Dan's crowning achievement in college football.

[TrapGame]

Ok, so is Dan a special guest this weekend or he calling the game?

While I hated the way he left, we do need to embrace him at this point. He can be a great spokesman for us going forward in the media as he promotes himself and what he did at MSU. In the end it is good for MSU. MSU was Dan's crowning achievement in college football.

I'd love for Dan to be calling the game too. And we somehow beat A&M. That would be awesome. Dan gets honored, reminisces about his State tenure in the booth while watching us beat A&M.

[StarkVegasSteve]

MVB came on strong and glad to have him for the rest of the season. How it plays out after that, who knows.

That has been part of the problem with our fanbase. MSU fans fall in love with a player and want to anoint them as the savior for the rest of their career. And sometimes it just doesn't work out. QBs can regress, or god forbid, somebody better just comes along or the player leaves on their own. It happens all over the college football landscape. Look at Will Howard. He led Kansas State to a 9-4 record finishing in the top 25 and took the money to go to Ohio State. Riley Leonard left Duke, Cam Ward left Washington State. There is no loyalty. These guys left GOOD teams in major conferences to go play for one of the bigger boys.

We have got to learn, as a fanbase, to support the TEAM and not get too caught up in the individual player. That is especially going to be true going forward in the NIL world of college football. These guys aren't loyal to the school colors near as much as you are as a FAN.

AGREED. Every fan base does it but it seems ours takes it to a new level. I mean I get appreciating the players but our fan base sometimes idolizes players. It's really bad with baseball, but it happens in every sport.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I'd love for Dan to be calling the game too. And we somehow beat A&M. That would be awesome. Dan gets honored, reminisces about his State tenure in the booth while watching us beat A&M.

He will just be a guest. They are honoring the entire 14 team so it will be good to have all those guys in town. Mullen and Dak have both confirmed they will be there so I imagine the rest of the team will follow suit. I do not know if it is planned but I do hope they do something to honor De’Runnya.

[cheewgumm]

If MVB finishes season off good I would not bring in another QB.

Unless you want that other QB over MVB.

[StarkVegasSteve]

If MVB finishes season off good I would not bring in another QB.

Unless you want that other QB over MVB.

In this day and age, you have to be looking to upgrade every position. If it pisses off MVB then he'll either transfer or step his game up. That will also tell me what kind of competitor we have. Hell Kiffin brought in a 3 year starter to compete with Dart after a year and you know what happened? Dart stepped up and won the job. If MVB is the type of QB everyone says he is, he will step up and invite the competition. If he's not, then I don't want him because there's a ceiling where he will take us.

[KB21]

He will just be a guest. They are honoring the entire 14 team so it will be good to have all those guys in town. Mullen and Dak have both confirmed they will be there so I imagine the rest of the team will follow suit. I do not know if it is planned but I do hope they do something to honor De’Runnya.

If I could, I would be there Saturday. I hope the crowd is big and gives the type of response that '14 team deserves.

[TrapGame]

If MVB finishes season off good I would not bring in another QB.

Unless you want that other QB over MVB.

You have too nowadays. If Jackson Arnold wants to come to State to play for Lebby, you take him. We need quality depth with healthy competition.

[cheewgumm]

Is that Oklahoma QB an upgrade?

So we have a QB that ia coming into his own and rolling a s we are gonna bring in someone who failed elsewhere.

And if our good QB does not like it our response is F him? In which case we would then have the failed QB instead of our good one?

In this day and age where they can transfer easily and he would be a hot pick up for a lot of teams.

I would not do that. I would see how MVB finishes first though.

[Ranchdawg]

10. Does the loss to LSU mean that ole miss has to give their trophy back? I mean listening to them all summer and fall it was not a question IF they were going to make the playoffs it was how deep of a run they were going to make and would be playing for the national championship. Well, well how things have changed. They burned a lot of $$’s just to go play in the weed whacker bowl.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Is that Oklahoma QB an upgrade?

So we have a QB that ia coming into his own and rolling a s we are gonna bring in someone who failed elsewhere.

And if our good QB does not like it our response is F him? In which case we would then have the failed QB instead of our good one?

In this day and age where they can transfer easily and he would be a hot pick up for a lot of teams.

I would not do that. I would see how MVB finishes first though.

These kids are being paid to play. You can't really care if it upsets him. This is a problem with our fan base, we want to idolize players after one performance. We did with Rogers, we did it Thompson, with did it with Dam Williams. This is the new age. If they don't want to compete, then leave. We all talk about this is the NFL, well hell, treat it like that. If he doesn't want to compete then yes, you pack his bags for him. Also, how do we know Arnold would fail? Burrow couldn't see the field at OSU he was so down the depth chart. Murray couldn't stay on the field at A&M. You have to make your team better these days. And if that kid makes us better, then you go get him. You have to stockpile talent to compete. Again, like I have said repeatedly, don't overpay for the kid if Van Buren looks good down the stretch. But don't just stick with the kid because he started for you this year and is a Freshman. Hell a lot people don't realize, or want to bury their head in the sand to the fact that, Leach wanted to replace Rogers at the end of 20. That's why Abraham was brought in. Of course then the freak injury happened and he was never able to play for us. The point is, if a coach thinks a kid can make you better, you have to go get him. End of Story.

[DEDawg]

AGREED. Every fan base does it but it seems ours takes it to a new level. I mean I get appreciating the players but our fan base sometimes idolizes players. It's really bad with baseball, but it happens in every sport.

Ha we do the opposite too. Many said they saw enough of MVB after the third drive and wanted Parson in

[cheewgumm]

These kids are being paid to play. You can't really care if it upsets him. This is a problem with our fan base, we want to idolize players after one performance. We did with Rogers, we did it Thompson, with did it with Dam Williams. This is the new age. If they don't want to compete, then leave. We all talk about this is the NFL, well hell, treat it like that. If he doesn't want to compete then yes, you pack his bags for him. Also, how do we know Arnold would fail? Burrow couldn't see the field at OSU he was so down the depth chart. Murray couldn't stay on the field at A&M. You have to make your team better these days. And if that kid makes us better, then you go get him. You have to stockpile talent to compete. Again, like I have said repeatedly, don't overpay for the kid if Van Buren looks good down the stretch. But don't just stick with the kid because he started for you this year and is a Freshman. Hell a lot people don't realize, or want to bury their head in the sand to the fact that, Leach wanted to replace Rogers at the end of 20. That's why Abraham was brought in. Of course then the freak injury happened and he was never able to play for us. The point is, if a coach thinks a kid can make you better, you have to go get him. End of Story.



I dont care if it upsets them.

My goal is not to run off a good QB, replacing him with a worse QB. If Arnold is better than MVB, great, bring him in.

The end of my stance.

[TrapGame]

I dont care if it upsets them.

My goal is not to run off a good QB, replacing him with a worse QB. If Arnold is better than MVB, great, bring him in.

The end of my stance.

So, Lebby shouldn't bring in a 5* QB he recruited to Oklahoma b/c he wants to come play for him at State?

Littrell is the problem at Oklahoma, not Jackson Arnold.

[StarkVegasSteve]

So, Lebby shouldn't bring in a 5* QB he recruited to Oklahoma b/c he wants to come play for him at State?

Littrell is the problem at Oklahoma, not Jackson Arnold.

Again, our fan base gets too caught up in kids. He had a good game and now we're acting like he's the second coming. A list of Mississippi State QBs that had good games and ended up nothing burgers: Aries Nelson, Kyle York, Josh Riddell, Damian Williams, Keyteon Thompson, Tommy Stevens, KJ Costello.....the list could go on.

Is the kid good? Yes. Is he still REALLY raw? Yes. He can throw the deep ball really well, but you can ask anyone around the program and most thought he wouldn't be ready to take the reigns until his RS Sophomore season.

If you HAVE THE CHANCE to bring in Arnold, you do it. If you have the chance to bring in Preston Stone at SMU, you do it. If you have the chance to bring in Emmett Brown at SJSU, you do it. If you have a chance to increase the talent on your team, YOU DO IT. Period. End of Discussion. I mean should we tell Kamario Taylor to look elsewhere because Van Buren looked good? No. It's the same situation with a transfer.

[cheewgumm]

Again, our fan base gets too caught up in kids. He had a good game and now we're acting like he's the second coming. A list of Mississippi State QBs that had good games and ended up nothing burgers: Aries Nelson, Kyle York, Josh Riddell, Damian Williams, Keyteon Thompson, Tommy Stevens, KJ Costello.....the list could go on.

Is the kid good? Yes. Is he still REALLY raw? Yes. He can throw the deep ball really well, but you can ask anyone around the program and most thought he wouldn't be ready to take the reigns until his RS Sophomore season.

If you HAVE THE CHANCE to bring in Arnold, you do it. If you have the chance to bring in Preston Stone at SMU, you do it. If you have the chance to bring in Emmett Brown at SJSU, you do it. If you have a chance to increase the talent on your team, YOU DO IT. Period. End of Discussion. I mean should we tell Kamario Taylor to look elsewhere because Van Buren looked good? No. It's the same situation with a transfer.



I'm not "caught up in the kids".

Our fanbase is usually right about stuff, so I'll trust it....again.

Welcome aboard, Arnold. goodbye MVB.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I'm not "caught up in the kids".

Our fanbase is usually right about stuff, so I'll trust it....again.

Welcome aboard, Arnold. goodbye MVB.

I don't think MVB transfers. He was literally committed to Oregon and decommitted to come play for Lebby. Arnold, Stone, Mateer, Brown, etc. is only going to be here one year. You still get MVB as a RS Sophomore just like the plan always was. Nothing has changed. And hey, the kid may beat Arnold, Stone, Mateer, Brown, etc. out. Or hell, Kamario Taylor could come in and beat them both out.

[TrapGame]

I'm not "caught up in the kids".

Our fanbase is usually right about stuff, so I'll trust it....again.

Welcome aboard, Arnold. goodbye MVB.

If MVB can't take Arnold, or any other QB, coming in then he ain't it. Nobody should be guaranteed a spot. You work your ass off for it every day.

[cheewgumm]

Sounds good. Hopefully we have a new 5 star qb.

Cowboys should sign Tom Brady as well. Dak needs some competition. It would do him good.

[Todd4State]

Again, our fan base gets too caught up in kids. He had a good game and now we're acting like he's the second coming. A list of Mississippi State QBs that had good games and ended up nothing burgers: Aries Nelson, Kyle York, Josh Riddell, Damian Williams, Keyteon Thompson, Tommy Stevens, KJ Costello.....the list could go on.

Is the kid good? Yes. Is he still REALLY raw? Yes. He can throw the deep ball really well, but you can ask anyone around the program and most thought he wouldn't be ready to take the reigns until his RS Sophomore season.

If you HAVE THE CHANCE to bring in Arnold, you do it. If you have the chance to bring in Preston Stone at SMU, you do it. If you have the chance to bring in Emmett Brown at SJSU, you do it. If you have a chance to increase the talent on your team, YOU DO IT. Period. End of Discussion. I mean should we tell Kamario Taylor to look elsewhere because Van Buren looked good? No. It's the same situation with a transfer.

All of this!

[tcdog70]

Just hope Kamario Taylor signs with Us. he can do it all. 6'4" 215 now. can run and throw.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Just hope Kamario Taylor signs with Us. he can do it all. 6'4" 215 now. can run and throw.

He's locked in. Jeff took care of that one.

[Pancho]

I've seen him live the past 2years but only on video this season and he simply does some things that are almost not human. I think he's a once in about every 40 yr type athlete who will make a different the moment he steps onto the field.

[Matt3467]

Again, our fan base gets too caught up in kids. He had a good game and now we're acting like he's the second coming. A list of Mississippi State QBs that had good games and ended up nothing burgers: Aries Nelson, Kyle York, Josh Riddell, Damian Williams, Keyteon Thompson, Tommy Stevens, KJ Costello.....the list could go on.

Is the kid good? Yes. Is he still REALLY raw? Yes. He can throw the deep ball really well, but you can ask anyone around the program and most thought he wouldn't be ready to take the reigns until his RS Sophomore season.

If you HAVE THE CHANCE to bring in Arnold, you do it. If you have the chance to bring in Preston Stone at SMU, you do it. If you have the chance to bring in Emmett Brown at SJSU, you do it. If you have a chance to increase the talent on your team, YOU DO IT. Period. End of Discussion. I mean should we tell Kamario Taylor to look elsewhere because Van Buren looked good? No. It's the same situation with a transfer.

Had to look up Nelson since I haven't heard of him but when did Kyle York have a good game? The others I can see but York is an odd one. Omarr Conner maybe.

[Pancho]

Didn't York play only due to Fant being suspended?

[EdwardDrayton]

Sounds good. Hopefully we have a new 5 star qb.

Cowboys should sign Tom Brady as well. Dak needs some competition. It would do him good.

Dak doesn't need competition. He needs a supporting cast.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Had to look up Nelson since I haven't heard of him but when did Kyle York have a good game? The others I can see but York is an odd one. Omarr Conner maybe.

I meant Mike Henig. Sorry for that one. Got my early 2000s MSU QBs mixed up on that one. Also did y'all know it was Henig and not Hening? I've been saying Hening for the last like 16 or 17 years.

[Tbonewannabe]

Had to look up Nelson since I haven't heard of him but when did Kyle York have a good game? The others I can see but York is an odd one. Omarr Conner maybe.

Didn't York have a good game against Ark or someone like that?

[Matt3467]

I meant Mike Henig. Sorry for that one. Got my early 2000s MSU QBs mixed up on that one. Also did y'all know it was Henig and not Hening? I've been saying Hening for the last like 16 or 17 years.

Those years really take me back. Boy did we suck but I enjoyed watching us anyway.

[Matt3467]

Didn't York have a good game against Ark or someone like that?

Looking at the game logs here: https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/kyle-york-1/gamelog/

Maybe the Memphis game although he did have a career high 2td passes in a loss vs Ark that year.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Those years really take me back. Boy did we suck but I enjoyed watching us anyway.

To this day I don't know how I did that sober. We were AWFUL. Like offensive ineptitude the SEC hasn't seen since.

[TrapGame]

Didn't York start b/c Mike Henig got hurt and he actually could make a forward pass that wasn't intercepted or five yards off target?

[RockyDog]

Sounds good. Hopefully we have a new 5 star qb.

Cowboys should sign Tom Brady as well. Dak needs some competition. It would do him good.

You are seriously equating a NFL QB that his team has committed $200+ mm to a QB room at a lower tier SEC school with a true frosh Qb who has 2 whole starts under his belt?

We REALLY do have one of the dumbest fan bases in Murica

[StarkVegasSteve]

Didn't York start b/c Mike Henig got hurt and he actually could make a forward pass that wasn't intercepted or five yards off target?

When I say I've tried to block out 2002-2008 from my mind I mean it. Unfortunately I have almost a photographic memory so I'll never be able to get Maine, Cadillac and Ronnie Brown running all over us, Pat White and Steve Slaton running all over us, 3-2, or Troy State out of my head.

[EdwardDrayton]

Seems too early to anoint MVB just yet. And as much as I'd to see it, I don't see a path to 4-8 or 5-7.

[confucius say]

In this day and age, you have to be looking to upgrade every position. If it pisses off MVB then he'll either transfer or step his game up. That will also tell me what kind of competitor we have. Hell Kiffin brought in a 3 year starter to compete with Dart after a year and you know what happened? Dart stepped up and won the job. If MVB is the type of QB everyone says he is, he will step up and invite the competition. If he's not, then I don't want him because there's a ceiling where he will take us.

But we need a lot on defense. So depends on how much money we are going to spend. I'd rather spend an extra 500k on a DL than Arnold if we believe MVB can do the job.

[StarkVegasSteve]

But we need a lot on defense. So depends on how much money we are going to spend. I'd rather spend an extra 500k on a DL than Arnold if we believe MVB can do the job.

We have the money to do both.

[Pancho]

we gotta somehow convince the kids to come to starkville

[PGHBulldogBG]

Seems too early to anoint MVB just yet. And as much as I'd to see it, I don't see a path to 4-8 or 5-7.

No path to 5-7 but 4-8 is possible if we play like we did @UGA with Ark, UMass and Missouri at home. Given the situation I would be happy to win UMass and 1 of Ark/Mizzou, but if we win both I would consider the season a success and then we can move forward and build

[TStationDawg]

Didn't York start b/c Mike Henig got hurt and he actually could make a forward pass that wasn't intercepted or five yards off target?

MIKE HENIG. Good grief. I've tried to wipe those years from my memory. Played with alot of guts, I'll give him that. But he took hits and falls worse than a 95 year old with osteoperosis.

[StarkVegasSteve]

we gotta somehow convince the kids to come to starkville

And there's the problem. Our fanbase doesn't realize this, and hell I didn't realize it for the longest time, but if you're not a Mississippi State fan you're not really just chomping at the bit to come to Starkville. I mean up until the last 12-15 years, Starkville never did anything to shy away from the sleepy town in the middle of nowhere moniker. Yes Starkville is a special place, but it still has a long ways to go.

[Goldendawg]

No path to 5-7 but 4-8 is possible if we play like we did @UGA with Ark, UMass and Missouri at home. Given the situation I would be happy to win UMass and 1 of Ark/Mizzou, but if we win both I would consider the season a success and then we can move forward and build

Sorry, but I don't consider 2-10 to 3-9 a successful season by any means. We got embarrassed by Toledo. We will be there Saturday 8 strong as usual as our 56 year season ticket streak continues, however this feels just like the Shira years (exciting air game with Tommy Pharr, Sammy Milner & David Smith, but no "D" at all), Tech & 10 or the Croom years.

[BB30]

Sorry, but I don't consider 2-10 to 3-9 a successful season by any means. We got embarrassed by Toledo. We will be there Saturday 8 strong as usual as our 56 year season ticket streak continues, however this feels just like the Shira years (exciting air game with Tommy Pharr, Sammy Milner & David Smith, but no "D" at all), Tech & 10 or the Croom years.

I think everyone saying we were a 5-7 to 6-6 team didn't realize how deprived of even mid tier SEC talent this roster was. For us to hit 5-7 or 6-6 this year everything was going to have to be perfect.

We had a veteran QB come in with new WRs and a completely new offensive scheme along with an entirely new OL. We didn't return a starter on offense I don't believe. It takes time for all of those guys to mesh together and I think we are just now seeing this offense start to mesh.

We had complete turnover on defense along with a scheme change we haven't recruited for and haven't recruited the D side of the ball at all the last couple of years.

I think part of the reason you are seeing things like the FSU debacle and even OM to an extent are that when you bring in that many transfers it takes time for things to gel and sometimes it never gets off the ground like in FSU's case. Bring in the wrong QB and everything burns to the ground.

The path to winning consistently is building a roster of highschool kids that come in together and hold onto them while adding a couple of needed pieces each year from the portal along with coaching continuity and scheme continuity. There just isn't enough time for a team full of transfers to gel until you are mid way through the season and by then its too late. In our case the easy part of the schedule was very front end loaded and we hadn't started to gel yet. Now we are gelling but we are playing teams with significantly more talent than what we have. At the beginning of the season I thought if we won 5 games it would be a success but expected 4. Still think we can get to 4 if everything falls just right.

We will be lightyears ahead of where we were this year next season. Still have a brutal schedule but 5-7 wins next year and then 6-8 the following and I will be happy. I think it will be year 4 before we have a legit shot at an 8/9 win season.

[KB21]

And there's the problem. Our fanbase doesn't realize this, and hell I didn't realize it for the longest time, but if you're not a Mississippi State fan you're not really just chomping at the bit to come to Starkville. I mean up until the last 12-15 years, Starkville never did anything to shy away from the sleepy town in the middle of nowhere moniker. Yes Starkville is a special place, but it still has a long ways to go.

This may be a little off topic, but is there any talk about who may end up buying OCH?

[Pancho]

I know people who feel that MSU should purchase it but no idea if Keenum could get any credit for it.

[StarkVegasSteve]

This may be a little off topic, but is there any talk about who may end up buying OCH?

It's not off topic. That's one of the biggest things holding Starkville back. The whole sell or not sell thing back in 2017 turned into a massive cluster17 because politics got involved. I wish State could buy the damn thing but with no medical school I have no clue what we'd do with it. The hope is that Baptist or NMMC would still be interested but I don't know how interested they'd be after the debacle in 17.

[KB21]

It's not off topic. That's one of the biggest things holding Starkville back. The whole sell or not sell thing back in 2017 turned into a massive cluster17 because politics got involved. I wish State could buy the damn thing but with no medical school I have no clue what we'd do with it. The hope is that Baptist or NMMC would still be interested but I don't know how interested they'd be after the debacle in 17.

I've heard that Oschner may have some interest, and the company that is running MRH may have some interest as well.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I've heard that Oschner may have some interest, and the company that is running MRH may have some interest as well.

Either one would be miles better than what they have now with the county running it. I mean the lack of health care is a big reason, at least that I've heard, businesses don't want to move to Oktibbeha Co. And with those businesses, you'd bring families and money. It's just Starkville getting in the way of growing Starkville pt. 843.

[KB21]

Either one would be miles better than what they have now with the county running it. I mean the lack of health care is a big reason, at least that I've heard, businesses don't want to move to Oktibbeha Co. And with those businesses, you'd bring families and money. It's just Starkville getting in the way of growing Starkville pt. 843.

From personal experience, I was talking to OCH when I was looking to leave Hattiesburg. I pretty much had verbally agreed with OCH to come to Starkville and start a clinic. Then it seemed like some feet started dragging, and things ultimately went radio silent. I ended up signing a contract elsewhere.

[StarkVegasSteve]

From personal experience, I was talking to OCH when I was looking to leave Hattiesburg. I pretty much had verbally agreed with OCH to come to Starkville and start a clinic. Then it seemed like some feet started dragging, and things ultimately went radio silent. I ended up signing a contract elsewhere.

It seems one of the main OCH problems is that they block any sort of progress so that no one is let go or loses their job. Basically biting off the nose to spite the face.

[Todd4State]

I've heard that Oschner may have some interest, and the company that is running MRH may have some interest as well.

Ochsner would be an absolute Godsend to Starkville. That's a nationally recognized hospital.

It does make sense to me because Ochsner is getting more and more of a foothold in Mississippi. They have a partnership with Rush in Meridian.

And I'll make a bold prediction- in ten years or less Ochsner will either buy out or have a partnership with one of the big hospitals in Jackson. I'm talking about someone like St. Dominic's, Baptist, or Merit. They're coming. And on top of that in NOLA they're trying to become a level 2 trauma center and they're about to build their own Children's Hospital. Ochsner also has direct partnerships with MD Anderson for cancer and the Andrew's Sports Institute for sports medicine. Basically they're going to try to turn UMC into a community hospital. And knowing the leadership at UMC I wouldn't bet against Ochsner making that happen.

So if they buy out or partner with OCH it's going to give them a feeder hospital in north Mississippi which will inevitably funnel patients to whatever they buy in Jackson. It will also benefit Starkville greatly because of the medical care they will get.

[KB21]

Ochsner would be an absolute Godsend to Starkville. That's a nationally recognized hospital.

It does make sense to me because Ochsner is getting more and more of a foothold in Mississippi. They have a partnership with Rush in Meridian.

And I'll make a bold prediction- in ten years or less Ochsner will either buy out or have a partnership with one of the big hospitals in Jackson. I'm talking about someone like St. Dominic's, Baptist, or Merit. They're coming. And on top of that in NOLA they're trying to become a level 2 trauma center and they're about to build their own Children's Hospital. Ochsner also has direct partnerships with MD Anderson for cancer and the Andrew's Sports Institute for sports medicine. Basically they're going to try to turn UMC into a community hospital. And knowing the leadership at UMC I wouldn't bet against Ochsner making that happen.

So if they buy out or partner with OCH it's going to give them a feeder hospital in north Mississippi which will inevitably funnel patients to whatever they buy in Jackson. It will also benefit Starkville greatly because of the medical care they will get.

I'd like to see them get Merit in Hattiesburg if for nothing but to give Hattiesburg Clinic some competition. HBC controls that area, but they don't pay their physicians well at all.

[Johnson85]

Ochsner would be an absolute Godsend to Starkville. That's a nationally recognized hospital.


Ochsner may be better than the county running it, but it's not very likely Ochsner is going to treat it as anything but a triage center and feeder for its other hospitals. The only thing that might make Starkville different is that I don't know that Ochsner has anything close enough to use OCH as a feeder for, so it might try to keep offering more services at OCH. But if somebody in Tupelo takes it over, you're going to see them keep offering high volume services at OCH and services that are not capital intensive (so maybe office visits and things like a small infusion clinic that are open some days of the week) but things like emergency care is going to be organized around stabilizing people to get them to another hospital and surgeries will be mostly other places unless they can be done outpatient. Again, all of that may be better than what OCH is doing now, but ideally the county would have moved years ago to try and compete more for medical business.