Sunday Morning Thoughts-Moral Victories Are A Thing At Least For Today

[StarkVegasSteve]

Well another disappointing Saturday on the scoreboard and in the stat sheet, but there were a few things to build on from a 10,000 ft view.

1. Defense!!! It was not great and we still allowed far too many yds but it was nice to see us force a couple of TOs and a few punts. They kept us in the game in the first half. I thought the D just got far too gassed late and Texas really started piling on the yards.

2. Our tackling might be the worst it has been. Now that I got my mild praise for the D out of the way we can go to the problems. Way too many times yesterday we would fly up to the opposing player only to whiff on the tackle. A couple of those were because we had a bad angle, but some were just simply because we did not break down. That has to be fixed. I am looking at you John Lewis.

3. Our secondary is bad and it is not getting better. We were very lucky it was 14-6 at the half as it should have been 21-6 minimum. I mean they dropped a WIDE OPEN TD pass. Receiver had our guy beat by 15 yds. Their receivers had YARDS of separation all day.

4. Very proud of Lebby for swallowing his pride and trying to shorten the game. Far too often you see coaches want to lose their way rather than win another way. Joe Moorhead falls into that category. I thought Lebby had a good game plan and kept us out of tempo and the clock moving for most of the day.

5. We have to keep Parson, no there is still not an S, involved. I really liked what I saw from Chris in the limited snaps. It is obvious Lebby wants MVB to be the guy this year but I thought Chris ran hard and controlled the offense when he was in there. I would think we will keep packages for him in every game plan and try to get him 10-12 snaps a game.

6. MVB showed signs of promise and signs that he is still a freshman. I never thought the moment got too big for him, but there is a lot to work on there. The 3 delay of game penalties definitely come to mind off the top of my head. You have to know where the play clock is. He also needs to have better pocket presence. He had great presence a few times but the lack of presence cost us on his fumble. Overall it was about what I expected out of his first game.

7. We need to roll with Daniels for the year. I thought he ran hard, saw the hole and hit it for the most part, and kept his legs moving. He ran hard the entire game. I still feel like Booth tip toes and tries to go East and West too much instead of getting North and South.

8. Kevin Coleman is far and away WR1. I thought Coleman had a great game yesterday. He consistently makes the first guy miss and he has more acceleration in and out of cuts than any receiver I have ever seen us have.

9. We have to find a way to get Akharaiyi involved. This guy was a 1,000 yd guy last year and 5 games in, albeit it injured in game 1, he has 124 yds. His one catch yesterday, he made a guy miss and got upfield. He also gets great separation from defenders on his routes. Got to get him involved.

10. Craver and Mosley have to come down with the deep balls. The drop from Craver was a TD and the drop from Mosley is probably a TD. Craver also had one late that it looked like he either lost the ball or gave up on it. I know the ball may have been a little behind on both but it was in their hands on both. Heck, MVB dropped it in the basket to Craver. That one really infuriated me later when Craver went up in double coverage and snagged one.

11. Please find a punter that is not good for one shank a game. We got lucky that we got a great bounce yesterday but it seems like Barr-Mia shanks one every week now. He will have 3 or 4 good ones and shank the shit out of one.

12. The line is going to have to be fixed this offseason. Pounders has been BAD and it is not getting better. We need to figure that out. We actually need to figure both tackle positions. If MVB had pressure yesterday I did not even have to watch a replay to know where it came from.


Overall, it was a lot better than I expected and I have a little hope now. I also will say had that D come to play the first 4 games we would have been NO WORSE than 2-2, but more likely 3-1 or 4-0.

[DawgFromOxford]

Agreed. Definitely felt better watching that game that game than the previous 3. Our problems are still the same but we seem to be improving. The energy level from the defense seemed a lot better this game compared to others

[BlackSailsDawg]

I saw great improvement on both sides. But hats off to Hutzler for getting his act together. That's the biggest improvement on defense (his plan and in game).

If we get our NIL right and improve on the lines, you can have a lesser back, you can have decent WRs and win. But without an OL, the best backs and top QBs and Top WRS... it doesn't matter. To me, the highest paid people should be:

Level 1 pay- OL & DL,

Level 2: CBs, WRs, QB

Level 3: RBs and LBs and othe DBs

I also think we need to present them with carrots. Dangle $10K for every 20 yard gain or TD.

[MBDawg601]

I saw great improvement on both sides. But hats off to Hutzler for getting his act together. That's the biggest improvement on defense (his plan and in game).

If we get our NIL right and improve on the lines, you can have a lesser back, you can have decent WRs and win. But without an OL, the best backs and top QBs and Top WRS... it doesn't matter. To me, the highest paid people should be:

Level 1 pay- OL & DL,

Level 2: CBs, WRs, QB

Level 3: RBs and LBs and othe DBs

I also think we need to present them with carrots. Dangle $10K for every 20 yard gain or TD.

10k for a 20 yard gain? Good lord.

Why is NIL now pay for play? This is the exact opposite direction NIL should be headed.

[Todd4State]

I saw great improvement on both sides. But hats off to Hutzler for getting his act together. That's the biggest improvement on defense (his plan and in game).

If we get our NIL right and improve on the lines, you can have a lesser back, you can have decent WRs and win. But without an OL, the best backs and top QBs and Top WRS... it doesn't matter. To me, the highest paid people should be:

Level 1 pay- OL & DL,

Level 2: CBs, WRs, QB

Level 3: RBs and LBs and othe DBs

I also think we need to present them with carrots. Dangle $10K for every 20 yard gain or TD.

QB should be tier 1 with OL/DL

[Todd4State]

10k for a 20 yard gain? Good lord.

Why is NIL now pay for play? This is the exact opposite direction NIL should be headed.

Disagree. Nothing wrong with being paid for what you do and if you do something well you should be paid more.

[BlackSailsDawg]

10k for a 20 yard gain? Good lord.

Why is NIL now pay for play? This is the exact opposite direction NIL should be headed.

NIL shouldn't be a thing. That's my opinion on it. It's wrecking the game. None the less, it's here and not going anywhere. And what I suggested is well within the rules. "Mr Beast O'Lineman, we want to do a NIL agreement with you. The terms are this. 500K plus 10K every pancake and for every game you do not allow a sack, 10K."

[BlackSailsDawg]

QB should be tier 1 with OL/DL

Maybe. Would have no problem if $ was there.

[MBDawg601]

Disagree. Nothing wrong with being paid for what you do and if you do something well you should be paid more.

10 thousand dollars for running 2-3 seconds in the right direction? What are you going to pay them for actual an accomplishment 100k?

[Todd4State]

Maybe. Would have no problem if $ was there.

If for no other reason than the fact that they catch too much flack for a loss and scrutiny on the position.

Also how the offense performs is directly related to their performance even though it is true that the QB relies on others- OL, WR, RB, and TE to do their job.

[Todd4State]

10 thousand dollars for running 2-3 seconds in the right direction? What are you going to pay them for actual an accomplishment 100k?

Do you have a problem with college students at MSU being paid to work at the MSU ice cream shop too? Or the campus book store? Since you seem to have an issue with paying college students for the work that they perform.

Winning football games can add millions to the university. So running 2-3 second in the right direction can prove to be very valuable and very much worth the 10k investment.

[MBDawg601]

Do you have a problem with college students at MSU being paid to work at the MSU ice cream shop too? Or the campus book store? Since you seem to have an issue with paying college students for the work that they perform.

Winning football games can add millions to the university. So running 2-3 second in the right direction can prove to be very valuable and very much worth the 10k investment.

Are they not getting free room and board, Free education and meal plans?

Good grief snowflake. They're well taken care of. NIL is not suppose to be pay for play. Not sure where you got that idea from, but 10k to run 20 yards is the worst form of pay for play. Should we start backpay for all of the college athletes that we did not pay for a hundred years or they're good since they played before we decided they should be paid.

[parabrave]

Do you have a problem with college students at MSU being paid to work at the MSU ice cream shop too? Or the campus book store? Since you seem to have an issue with paying college students for the work that they perform.

Winning football games can add millions to the university. So running 2-3 second in the right direction can prove to be very valuable and very much worth the 10k investment.

But the ice cream pusher is being paid by the University or an entity that they are making money for. The University is getting free labor using the players name image and likeness and somehow the NCAA put the onious on the backs of the fans when the "pay for play became legal..

[Todd4State]

Are they not getting free room and board, Free education and meal plans?

Good grief snowflake. They're well taken care of. NIL is not suppose to be pay for play. Not sure where you got that idea from, but 10k to run 20 yards is the worst form of pay for play. Should we start backpay for all of the college athletes that we did not pay for a hundred years or they're good since they played before we decided they should be paid.

Are you saying that there are no student workers on scholarship money that are getting money towards room and board and books either? There are and those that do should be paid for the work that they do.

Football players have to do a lot of things that normal students and people don't do. Commitments to working out 2-3 hours a day. Commitments to maintaining their diets. They have to deal with the media and they have to make commitments to deal with fans at events to do things to promote the program for the university. And then if they don't perform some are getting told that they are worthless. On top of that there are noted long term health risks with playing football that affect them long terms that has been well documented.

But let's screw them over because they were screwed over in years before.

By the way I hope whatever McDonald's you work at cuts your pay so you can see what it's like 20 years ago. However I have a feeling you want to be paid for having to go get my fries with my Big Mac.

[DEDawg]

Are they not getting free room and board, Free education and meal plans?

Good grief snowflake. They're well taken care of. NIL is not suppose to be pay for play. Not sure where you got that idea from, but 10k to run 20 yards is the worst form of pay for play. Should we start backpay for all of the college athletes that we did not pay for a hundred years or they're good since they played before we decided they should be paid.

Huh? Are you against academic scholarships that cover room, board, and food now too? This is just silly. Also snowflake lol

[AROB44]

Are you saying that there are no student workers on scholarship money that are getting money towards room and board and books either? There are and those that do should be paid for the work that they do.

Football players have to do a lot of things that normal students and people don't do. Commitments to working out 2-3 hours a day. Commitments to maintaining their diets. They have to deal with the media and they have to make commitments to deal with fans at events to do things to promote the program for the university. And then if they don't perform some are getting told that they are worthless. On top of that there are noted long term health risks with playing football that affect them long terms that has been well documented.

But let's screw them over because they were screwed over in years before.

By the way I hope whatever McDonald's you work at cuts your pay so you can see what it's like 20 years ago. However I have a feeling you want to be paid for having to go get my fries with my Big Mac.

Seems like we must have a lot of alumni who work there......

[Percho]

Are they not getting free room and board, Free education and meal plans?

Good grief snowflake. They're well taken care of. NIL is not suppose to be pay for play. Not sure where you got that idea from, but 10k to run 20 yards is the worst form of pay for play. Should we start backpay for all of the college athletes that we did not pay for a hundred years or they're good since they played before we decided they should be paid.

I think Reggie Bush is suing over that presently. And some idiot Judge will probably grant him money.

[Bothrops]

One thing that got to me was not laying the wood to Arch when he scrambled down the sideline late. We could have made him quit that dancing routine for a while.

[MoreCowbell]

MVB reminds me of Freshman Dak. Seems very poised and the moment was not too big for him. Hopefully he has the same work ethic as Dak.

[MoreCowbell]

Disagree. Nothing wrong with being paid for what you do and if you do something well you should be paid more.

But 10k? A TD I could understand

[MBDawg601]

Are you saying that there are no student workers on scholarship money that are getting money towards room and board and books either? There are and those that do should be paid for the work that they do.

Football players have to do a lot of things that normal students and people don't do. Commitments to working out 2-3 hours a day. Commitments to maintaining their diets. They have to deal with the media and they have to make commitments to deal with fans at events to do things to promote the program for the university. And then if they don't perform some are getting told that they are worthless. On top of that there are noted long term health risks with playing football that affect them long terms that has been well documented.

But let's screw them over because they were screwed over in years before.

By the way I hope whatever McDonald's you work at cuts your pay so you can see what it's like 20 years ago. However I have a feeling you want to be paid for having to go get my fries with my Big Mac.

Almost like they signed up to do all that shit eh? But let's now start paying them for shit they're supposed to do like have 20 yard gains.

I can tell you don't have money, because you're okay with giving 10k for a first down and some change. The McDonalds thing was classy though. I liked it.

[MBDawg601]

Huh? Are you against academic scholarships that cover room, board, and food now too? This is just silly. Also snowflake lol

Reading does not come easy to you eh. Keep reading it until you figure it out I guess.

[BeardoMSU]

Are you saying that there are no student workers on scholarship money that are getting money towards room and board and books either? There are and those that do should be paid for the work that they do.

Football players have to do a lot of things that normal students and people don't do. Commitments to working out 2-3 hours a day. Commitments to maintaining their diets. They have to deal with the media and they have to make commitments to deal with fans at events to do things to promote the program for the university. And then if they don't perform some are getting told that they are worthless. On top of that there are noted long term health risks with playing football that affect them long terms that has been well documented.

But let's screw them over because they were screwed over in years before.

By the way I hope whatever McDonald's you work at cuts your pay so you can see what it's like 20 years ago. However I have a feeling you want to be paid for having to go get my fries with my Big Mac.

This^^^

[BeardoMSU]

Seems like we must have a lot of alumni who work there......

And....THIS^^^

HOLY. SHIT. LOL.

[BeardoMSU]

Reading does not come easy to you eh. Keep reading it until you figure it out I guess.

Maybe you should take your own advice, short pants.

[MBDawg601]

Maybe you should take your own advice, short pants.

Way to jump right in to the thread contributing absolutely nothing.

You're the forum cheerleader I guess. Cool.

[BeardoMSU]

Way to jump right in to the thread contributing absolutely nothing.

You're the forum cheerleader I guess. Cool.


https://youtu.be/DV6J0rV1vXw?si=NhmP0o2FqNy9yLbI

[DEDawg]

Way to jump right in to the thread contributing absolutely nothing.

You're the forum cheerleader I guess. Cool.

All you are doing is telling people that they cant read when they refute your points lol

[Todd4State]

But 10k? A TD I could understand

Well sure. The pay scale can be made to fit the accomplishment. Maybe 100 dollars for something like that.

[MBDawg601]

All you are doing is telling people that they cant read when they refute your points lol

You just did exactly this in the other thread.

Brother, just let it be it. You do not have to torture your mind anymore.

[MBDawg601]

Well sure. The pay scale can be made to fit the accomplishment. Maybe 100 dollars for something like that.

You just argued me up and down for 2 pages because I said 10k for a 20 yard run was ridiculous.

Now you've dropped it to 100 bucks, which is reasonable. Glad you came to light.

[DEDawg]

You just did exactly this in the other thread.

Brother, just let it be it. You do not have to torture your mind anymore.

No I didn’t. You repeated my exact point back to me. You just can’t handle being incorrect about something

[Todd4State]

You just argued me up and down for 2 pages because I said 10k for a 20 yard run was ridiculous.

Now you've dropped it to 100 bucks, which is reasonable. Glad you came to light.

I argued with you because you said they shouldn't be paid for play and accomplishments which you are incorrect about.