NIL Pessimism unwarranted

[cheewgumm]

I'd like to try and make an argument that we are in the ballgame from an NIL perspective. A lot here are negative on NIL and I agree in a lot of ways. I just think you try to win, no matter the rules.

Below someone sepculated on what is being spent by successful teams this year. If the top teams now are spening in the $12M range and we are $8m...we are $4m off.

To make it up...
6000 people X $40 per month = $2.9M

That would put us at $11M essentially. That is more than competitive. We could grow from there.

$$ then would not be our problem.

The growth of recurrring payments should be a constant effort.

[War Machine Dawg]

Food prices are up 20-30%. Normal people are running up credit card debt just to buy beef and eggs. But let's ask them to pay an extra $40 a month so our university can pay 17-22 year old mercenaries to play football. Why didn't anyone else come up with that brilliant solution? Genius, you are.

[DEDawg]

Food prices are up 20-30%. Normal people are running up credit card debt just to buy beef and eggs. But let's ask them to pay an extra $40 a month so our university can pay 17-22 year old mercenaries to play football. Why didn't anyone else come up with that brilliant solution? Genius, you are.

Why are you such an ass? If you can?t do $40 do $20. If you can?t do $20 do $10. If you can?t do anything, promote it or stfu and dont discourage others. Freaking loser mentality is so annoying

[cheewgumm]

Look...

I'm not saying everyone has to give. At differferent times, people can or cant. No shame.

I'm jsut saying if you call a lot of people, a good number will be able and willing. If people can't they cant. If they wont, they wont. No big deal. Call someone else.

I don't kow why people get so mad about this. I'm actually in agreement that the NCAA or the school should pay, but that's not the current rule.

I'm trying to find a way, we can move as ants, so everyone doesnt have to give much, but a little from a lot of people adds up to a lot.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Food prices are up 20-30%. Normal people are running up credit card debt just to buy beef and eggs. But let's ask them to pay an extra $40 a month so our university can pay 17-22 year old mercenaries to play football. Why didn't anyone else come up with that brilliant solution? Genius, you are.

This is why Im out

[viverlibre]

Food prices are up 20-30%. Normal people are running up credit card debt just to buy beef and eggs. But let's ask them to pay an extra $40 a month so our university can pay 17-22 year old mercenaries to play football. Why didn't anyone else come up with that brilliant solution? Genius, you are.

Those same folks are buying $7 cups of coffee every morning and door dashing food at 2 x 3 times the listed price.

Give up one cup of Starbucks per week.

[DEDawg]

This is why Im out

We know why youre out and this aint it

[MBDawg601]

They will have to fix the transfer portal before I invest a dime in this shit show of a sport.

Uncapped free agency. Insanity.

[BuckyIsAB****]

We know why youre out and this aint it

Congrats! You tried to tell someone else on a message board how they feel! Feel better?

[Brobi-wan]

Food prices are up 20-30%. Normal people are running up credit card debt just to buy beef and eggs. But let's ask them to pay an extra $40 a month so our university can pay 17-22 year old mercenaries to play football. Why didn't anyone else come up with that brilliant solution? Genius, you are.

Aren’t we top 5 fattest state in the union? Maybe we’re over spending on food. The point is, 40 bucks isn’t that much. It’s honestly not even enough to take 4 people to a movie on. It’s not enough to take a girl on a nice date on. If you’ve got to choose what to do with 40 bucks as if it’s life or death…keep the 40 bucks. It’s really not rocket science. If you can afford it and want to, then give. If you can afford it and don’t want to, don’t. But all sports are like this now. Basketball and baseball too. If you want any of them to be decent, we must pony up the money. I’m not a fan of NIL or the way it’s structured. But if we don’t play ball now, there won’t be a time to play ball later.

[SilentSteel16]

Maybe, just maybe, the vast majority of State fans just don’t give as much of a crap about NIL and winning than some of you.

If you do great, if you don’t great. But I am not giving something that I enjoy such as a $7 cup of coffee so that we can get a “better player”. I will keep my money and you do you, however quit preaching to others about how we need to give more…. And if we have a different opinion of what matters calling someone with a loser mentality is not going to fix anything. Quit shoving NIL down people’s throats, you are pushing fans away. NIL has pushed me away and I know for fact I am not alone. State is not nor will never be a top 20 team in NIL because frankly State fans don’t care as a whole and the product on the field is not helping.

[cheewgumm]

From my perspective if you do not want to give DONT

I don?t care. In my world we simply Call the next person.

There are thousands of alumni.

[Apoplectic]

Those same folks are buying $7 cups of coffee every morning and door dashing food at 2 x 3 times the listed price.

Give up one cup of Starbucks per week.

i got plenty of money?..pouring thousands into the market every month. i wouldn?t give those 17ers a nickel!! looking forward to seeing this golden goose die a quick death so we can return to student athletes

[DEDawg]

Maybe, just maybe, the vast majority of State fans just don’t give as much of a crap about NIL and winning than some of you.

If you do great, if you don’t great. But I am not giving something that I enjoy such as a $7 cup of coffee so that we can get a “better player”. I will keep my money and you do you, however quit preaching to others about how we need to give more…. And if we have a different opinion of what matters calling someone with a loser mentality is not going to fix anything. Quit shoving NIL down people’s throats, you are pushing fans away. NIL has pushed me away and I know for fact I am not alone. State is not nor will never be a top 20 team in NIL because frankly State fans don’t care as a whole and the product on the field is not helping.

Is it not simpler for you to just skip the NIL threads then and let the people who do care try to further the cause? You literally get the benefit by doing nothing that way.

[MBDawg601]

Is it not simpler for you to just skip the NIL threads then and let the people who do care try to further the cause? You literally get the benefit by doing nothing that way.

Starts a thread "I'd like to try and make an arguement"

Then ask people who are arguing with you to skip the thread.

Awesome.

[Dawgology]

i got plenty of money?..pouring thousands into the market every month. i wouldn?t give those 17ers a nickel!! looking forward to seeing this golden goose die a quick death so we can return to student athletes

That?s where I?m at. Time to take the top 40 or so programs and make them a NFL minor league (which will 100% flop) and get back to student athletes playing ball. No scholarships, no benefits, voluntary. Time to start back from square one.

ETA: truthfully, I?d happily donate $100 a month to NIL if this administration had shown at any point in the last 2 years that they know what?s going on and how to hire/market/etc in the NIL era. But they have not so it would clearly be a complete waste of money

[cheewgumm]

If we are gonna get back to the innocence players not getting paid , can the colleges forego the 100 trillion dollars they are making o. tv. Contracts?

Or is that still ok?

[DEDawg]

Starts a thread "I'd like to try and make an arguement"

Then ask people who are arguing with you to skip the thread.

Awesome.

Since you're struggling with reading comprehension. Someone else starts a thread "I'd like to try and make an argument that we are in the ballgame from an NIL perspective."

Then people "maybe majority of state fans dont give a crap about NIL and winning". Okay if that is your approach and you don't care about winning then skip the thread and let those who do try to help. seems pretty simple.

[DEDawg]

ETA: truthfully, I?d happily donate $100 a month to NIL if this administration had shown at any point in the last 2 years that they know what?s going on and how to hire/market/etc in the NIL era. But they have not so it would clearly be a complete waste of money

This is a fair way to look at it after the shitshow cohen left us with. I do think Selmon gets this right in the next 9 months. Jans has shown he can utilize NIL effectively and I think Lebby will as well after a full offseason to evaluate and flip the roster. Idk what Lemon is doing, I think he just can't recruit even with money.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Maybe, just maybe, the vast majority of State fans just don?t give as much of a crap about NIL and winning than some of you.

If you do great, if you don?t great. But I am not giving something that I enjoy such as a $7 cup of coffee so that we can get a ?better player?. I will keep my money and you do you, however quit preaching to others about how we need to give more?. And if we have a different opinion of what matters calling someone with a loser mentality is not going to fix anything. Quit shoving NIL down people?s throats, you are pushing fans away. NIL has pushed me away and I know for fact I am not alone. State is not nor will never be a top 20 team in NIL because frankly State fans don?t care as a whole and the product on the field is not helping.

Then don't support Mississippi State. Dan and Greg ridded almost all the losers out of the fan base and administration when they came in. Maybe Lebby and Selmon can get rid of the rest. I don't give a crap if you don't support NIL. You have made it inherently clear on multiple occasions that not only do you not support, but you think people who do are idiots. If you are not alone, then great. That's more seats and opportunities for fans who want to be part of the solution and not the problem. This isn't going away. PERIOD. It never will. This system will always be here in some sort of fashion. So my advice, go find another sport. Because NIL is everywhere and in every college sport. From high school all the way to P5.

I'm sick and damn tired of people saying why they won't give. No one gives a flying 17 why you won't give. But stop promoting why you won't give. If you're not going to be part of the solution, then please don't add to the problem.

[DEDawg]

Then don't support Mississippi State. Dan and Greg ridded almost all the losers out of the fan base and administration when they came in. Maybe Lebby and Selmon can get rid of the rest. I don't give a crap if you don't support NIL. You have made it inherently clear on multiple occasions that not only do you not support, but you think people who do are idiots. If you are not alone, then great. That's more seats and opportunities for fans who want to be part of the solution and not the problem. This isn't going away. PERIOD. It never will. This system will always be here in some sort of fashion. So my advice, go find another sport. Because NIL is everywhere and in every college sport. From high school all the way to P5.

I'm sick and damn tired of people saying why they won't give. No one gives a flying 17 why you won't give. But stop promoting why you won't give. If you're not going to be part of the solution, then please don't add to the problem.

ENCORE

[TrapGame]

I love how some of you guys think you can put your heads in the sand until this "straightens out". That could take years, if ever.

I think the whole NIL deal is ****ing stupid. But, it's the reality we have to deal with. Adapt or die.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I love how some of you guys think you can put your heads in the sand until this "straightens out". That could take years, if ever.

I think the whole NIL deal is ****ing stupid. But, it's the reality we have to deal with. Adapt or die.

It's extremely stupid and every fan base understands that and speaks that fact. The problem is, that they say "Ok, these are the rules. Let's play by them until their changed.". Whereas our fan base is, "Well the NCAA is gonna change this when it fails and go back to the old way" or "Well we may be left out of a super league, but when it fails they'll all come back to the old days". Newsflash: They're not going back to the "old days".

[cheewgumm]

Trapgame agree totally.

I don?t like it either and think they will in some way improve it.

However, If we wait until it is perfect for us to participate we will be so behind it will be disastrous.

Most of us agree but like they said in The Wire - the game is the game.

[Maverick91]

Aren’t we top 5 fattest state in the union? Maybe we’re over spending on food. The point is, 40 bucks isn’t that much. It’s honestly not even enough to take 4 people to a movie on. It’s not enough to take a girl on a nice date on. If you’ve got to choose what to do with 40 bucks as if it’s life or death…keep the 40 bucks. It’s really not rocket science. If you can afford it and want to, then give. If you can afford it and don’t want to, don’t. But all sports are like this now. Basketball and baseball too. If you want any of them to be decent, we must pony up the money. I’m not a fan of NIL or the wayit’s structured. But if we don’t play ball now, there won’t be a time to play ball later.

I'll allow you to take me on a nice date for 40 bucks. Get me a large M&M blizzard, we can swing into Mac Donald's I'll order off the dollar menu two double cheese burgers and a small fri, I'll let you drive me up to some cow pasture and we can argue football all night long. You get home with some cash in your pocket and some frustration dealt with by chatting up how much we hate NIL.

[DEDawg]

It's extremely stupid and every fan base understands that and speaks that fact. The problem is, that they say "Ok, these are the rules. Let's play by them until their changed.". Whereas our fan base is, "Well the NCAA is gonna change this when it fails and go back to the old way" or "Well we may be left out of a super league, but when it fails they'll all come back to the old days". Newsflash: They're not going back to the "old days".

I think we have an older representation on this board who are nostalgic of how it used to be (even tho we were bad in those times too). The gentleman who keeps talking about having season tickets since the 70's but refuses to donate is a good example. If you don't like NIL, that is fine and I understand, I don't like it either. But this is the way it is, it's not changing, and it's here to stay. If you aren't interested, please just move on (or even better, lie and say you donate to get others interested); if you can afford it anything recurring monthly adds up.

I mean think about it, if you're a season ticket holder who hates NIL and refuses to play the game... it's advantageous for you to not be negative towards it. You get a better product on the field for your season tickets if our NIL supports that. We just got an $8M donation, we aren't far out of it as people think.

[DEDawg]

I'll allow you to take me on a nice date for 40 bucks. Get me a large M&M blizzard, we can swing into Mac Donald's I'll order off the dollar menu two double cheese burgers and a small fri, I'll let you drive me up to some cow pasture and we can argue football all night long. You get home with some cash in your pocket and some frustration dealt with by chatting up how much we hate NIL.

Here's how much times have changed, double cheeseburgers are now $3.19 at my local McDonald's lol I also miss the dollar menu glory days but that is well in the past.

[TrapGame]

It's extremely stupid and every fan base understands that and speaks that fact. The problem is, that they say "Ok, these are the rules. Let's play by them until their changed.". Whereas our fan base is, "Well the NCAA is gonna change this when it fails and go back to the old way" or "Well we may be left out of a super league, but when it fails they'll all come back to the old days". Newsflash: They're not going back to the "old days".

Anybody who thinks we're going back to the 2014 way of doing things is either dumb as rocks or very naive. This genie is out of the bottle. It may be put on a leash at some point but it ain't going back in the bottle. This is the new age of college football.

And what's really funny is the people bitching about giving could just give $25 a month for one year and they alone could buy a really nice defensive line. And when we start winning again all of sudden that giving a little bit to NIL every month ain't gonna sound so bad.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Trapgame agree totally.

I don?t like it either and think they will in some way improve it.

However, If we wait until it is perfect for us to participate we will be so behind it will be disastrous.

Most of us agree but like they said in The Wire - the game is the game.

Exactly. We tried this approach after Cohen and his boy Van Horn failed so spectacularly with their baseball NIL. That put us 18-24 months behind everyone else. Thanks to Charlie and Selmon we are probably only 8-12 months behind everyone else now. We have made up a ton of ground but some people want to say, “well we suck so I am not going to give until we are better” or “the university should be paying for it so it is not my problem”.

Both of those are true btw, we do suck and the schools should be paying for it. But we cannot do anything about one of those. We can do something about the other. This is why our boosters need to get younger. These ole cigar boys do not go into an office anymore and they probably do not hang out with many people. Younger people want their team to win so they can go into the office on a Monday and hold their head high and look at that Rebel, Tiger, Volunteer, or Sooner and say “hey, we got you this year” and know that they were a reason we got that W. This is the strategy of all the young OM alums that I know out in Dallas. They may not give much, but they know their $25-$50/month combined with 1000 others probably paid for Walter Nolan. Or paid for Juice Wells. Or paid for Princely Umanmielan.

[HRTFXR]

This should be required reading for all who are interested in MSU athletics.
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[cheewgumm]

I spent $13 yesterday at McDonalds.

Just for me.

[Gutter Cobreh]

Can we get Sarah McLachlan to record a commercial like she did for the ASPCA to play on the jumbotron and tv spots?

"Hello, I'm Sarah McLachlan," she says to the camera in the new ad. "For just dollars a day, you can help athletes without a starting spot find a home." Instead of shots of sad dogs, you replace with photos of random non-descriptive athletes in various uniforms...

In the arms of an angel... it would be hilarious!!!

[Brobi-wan]

I'll allow you to take me on a nice date for 40 bucks. Get me a large M&M blizzard, we can swing into Mac Donald's I'll order off the dollar menu two double cheese burgers and a small fri, I'll let you drive me up to some cow pasture and we can argue football all night long. You get home with some cash in your pocket and some frustration dealt with by chatting up how much we hate NIL.

Deal. Pick you up at 8 on Saturday?

[viverlibre]

Can we get Sarah McLachlan to record a commercial like she did for the ASPCA to play on the jumbotron and tv spots?

"Hello, I'm Sarah McLachlan," she says to the camera in the new ad. "For just dollars a day, you can help athletes without a starting spot find a home." Instead of shots of sad dogs, you replace with photos of random non-descriptive athletes in various uniforms...

In the arms of an angel... it would be hilarious!!!

As bad as our video board messages are, not surprisingly there's very little promotion of NIL/our collective.

[confucius say]

Funds won't be our issue in building the 2025 roster. That's been taken care of.

But going 1-11 with coaches nobody knows may prove to be a huge issue.

[SilentSteel16]

Then don't support Mississippi State. Dan and Greg ridded almost all the losers out of the fan base and administration when they came in. Maybe Lebby and Selmon can get rid of the rest. I don't give a crap if you don't support NIL. You have made it inherently clear on multiple occasions that not only do you not support, but you think people who do are idiots. If you are not alone, then great. That's more seats and opportunities for fans who want to be part of the solution and not the problem. This isn't going away. PERIOD. It never will. This system will always be here in some sort of fashion. So my advice, go find another sport. Because NIL is everywhere and in every college sport. From high school all the way to P5.

I'm sick and damn tired of people saying why they won't give. No one gives a flying 17 why you won't give. But stop promoting why you won't give. If you're not going to be part of the solution, then please don't add to the problem.

Wow

Bud, if you think what you said earlier actually HELPS Mississippi State then you might need to get something examined. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you. If people like me actually stepped away you will see the dent that you have created.

And for the record I don?t say people that contribute to NIL are idiots. I say based on some of these posts that some posters are idiots. There is a difference. As I said before, if you want to give then give. If you don?t then don?t. Simple as that but making post after post about NiL and how the average fan needs to give more and then land blasting someone who doesn?t, man talking about missing the boat.

That a way to create a wedge in an already split fan base. Wow just wow.

[SilentSteel16]

BTW, there is one “cigar boy” that is actually contemplating canceling his quarterly donation, his name is one one of our stadiums. Instead he is going to redirect it to the flight department. I guess he should just leave with the rest of the losers as well correct?

His son is in his ear all the time about withdrawing from athletics and giving to aviation since last fall. Was a huge CML fan and Arnett almost made it happen.

Just be careful what you wish for.

[StarkVegasSteve]

BTW, there is one “cigar boy” that is actually contemplating canceling his quarterly donation, his name is one one of our stadiums. Instead he is going to redirect it to the flight department. I guess he should just leave with the rest of the losers as well correct?

His son is in his ear all the time about withdrawing from athletics and giving to aviation since last fall. Was a huge CML fan and Arnett almost made it happen.

Just be careful what you wish for.

As I said, let him go. In the words of Mike Leach, "Sometimes you have to get rid of the malcontents".

[StarkVegasSteve]

Wow

Bud, if you think what you said earlier actually HELPS Mississippi State then you might need to get something examined. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you. If people like me actually stepped away you will see the dent that you have created.

And for the record I don?t say people that contribute to NIL are idiots. I say based on some of these posts that some posters are idiots. There is a difference. As I said before, if you want to give then give. If you don?t then don?t. Simple as that but making post after post about NiL and how the average fan needs to give more and then land blasting someone who doesn?t, man talking about missing the boat.

That a way to create a wedge in an already split fan base. Wow just wow.

Actually we won't see a dent. You don't donate. Literally would be nothing leaving the account of the Bulldog Initiative. You're part of the problem are part of the solution. The NIL deniers are the one's splitting the fan base. I have said on MULTIPLE OCCASSIONS, give if you want and don't if you don't. But the people who perpetuate this crap, spread hate about NIL, and give statements like "maybe some of us don't care about winning" need to get the 17 out of the fan base. Go support Southern. They don't care about winning. The only one you are hurting at the end of the day is Mississippi State. You're not saving anyone or bringing people to the light. You really think all of us don't know this is a crock of shit? We do. But instead of bitching and complaining and giving reasons why we should not donate: We just do it because we want Mississippi State to succeed.

[SilentSteel16]

Take a step back from the ledge, you will really be crying if this guy and his wife did that……very foolish remark. Pretty sure he accounts for about 20-30 percent of annual donations but yeah let him go.

[MBDawg601]

Since you're struggling with reading comprehension. Someone else starts a thread "I'd like to try and make an argument that we are in the ballgame from an NIL perspective."

Then people "maybe majority of state fans dont give a crap about NIL and winning". Okay if that is your approach and you don't care about winning then skip the thread and let those who do try to help. seems pretty simple.


They are arguing that we are NOT in the ballgame from an NIL perspective. Sounds like you may have some issues with comprehension.

If most State fans could careless about NIL at this point, I would say that we are far from in the ballgame.

[StarkVegasSteve]

They are arguing that we are NOT in the ballgame from an NIL perspective. Sounds like you may have some issues with comprehension.

If most State fans could careless about NIL at this point, I would say that we are far from in the ballgame.

We are in the ballgame. And in a lot better situation than we were under the previous AD. This one actually knows what the hell he's doing instead of trying to funnel everything to baseball.

[SilentSteel16]

You're part of the problem are part of the solution. The NIL deniers are the one's splitting the fan base. I have said on MULTIPLE OCCASSIONS, give if you want and don't if you don't. But the people who perpetuate this crap, spread hate about NIL, and give statements like "maybe some of us don't care about winning" need to get the 17 out of the fan base. Go support Southern. They don't care about winning. The only one you are hurting at the end of the day is Mississippi State. You're not saving anyone or bringing people to the light. You really think all of us don't know this is a crock of shit? We do. But instead of bitching and complaining and giving reasons why we should not donate: We just do it because we want Mississippi State to succeed.

Believe what you want, i am not sure who you think you are by telling people what to do with their fandom. Put the drink down, step away from the keyboard and go out for a jog. Relax and let out some of that type B testosterone or type A estrogen, you need a release

NIL and the attitudes of the players is what is crippling Mississippi State you don’t just give more to a spoiled brat. Maybe you never learned that

[MBDawg601]

We are in the ballgame. And in a lot better situation than we were under the previous AD. This one actually knows what the hell he's doing instead of trying to funnel everything to baseball.

We can give millions of dollars every year, but if the ones making decisions with the money are not using it wisely and do not have a plan then we are NOT in the ballgame. It appears that the ones making decisions have no clue what they are doing.

Money does not fix everything.

[SilentSteel16]

We are in the ballgame. And in a lot better situation than we were under the previous AD. This one actually knows what the hell he's doing instead of trying to funnel everything to baseball.

Wasn’t there a thread last week about firing Selmon? Some of y’all need to make up your minds.

[StarkVegasSteve]

We can give millions of dollars every year, but if the ones making decisions with the money are not using it wisely and do not have a plan then we are NOT in the ballgame. It appears that the ones making decisions have no clue what they are doing.

Money does not fix everything.

The plan is in place. Come Monday December 2, it will be implemented. Transfers, staff changes, positions added, and more. The plan is already there. We just needed the money to execute it and we have that. Some of it is the 8 million. The other part is a very large donation to the BI

[StarkVegasSteve]

Wasn’t there a thread last week about firing Selmon? Some of y’all need to make up your minds.

No clue. I have never said fire Selmon. I like Zac and I know he has us headed in the right direction. He actually has a plan. Cohen did not.

[confucius say]

Wow

Bud, if you think what you said earlier actually HELPS Mississippi State then you might need to get something examined. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you. If people like me actually stepped away you will see the dent that you have created.

And for the record I don?t say people that contribute to NIL are idiots. I say based on some of these posts that some posters are idiots. There is a difference. As I said before, if you want to give then give. If you don?t then don?t. Simple as that but making post after post about NiL and how the average fan needs to give more and then land blasting someone who doesn?t, man talking about missing the boat.

That a way to create a wedge in an already split fan base. Wow just wow.

I read this to say you give to athletics/bulldog club but refuse to give to NIL. What is the difference? Going forward, NlL will be largely funded by the bulldog club/university.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Believe what you want, i am not sure who you think you are by telling people what to do with their fandom. Put the drink down, step away from the keyboard and go out for a jog. Relax and let out some of that type B testosterone or type A estrogen, you need a release

NIL and the attitudes of the players is what is crippling Mississippi State you don’t just give more to a spoiled brat. Maybe you never learned that

I am a Mississippi State fan doing everything in his power to keep us relevant. You are not. I will continue to give my money to “spoiled brats”. Some of the “spoiled brats” that I have given to in the past worked out pretty well. You can watch them on Sundays. Then again, they pay players in that league too so you have probably never watched.

[MBDawg601]

Wasn’t there a thread last week about firing Selmon? Some of y’all need to make up your minds.

That is the only logical thing.

Shitty hire in Football that made shitty coordinator hires. Did not rectify our baseball situation. Our media department (athletics) is that of a d3 school. Our rival is about to make the College Football playoff because they made the RIGHT hires. There is little to no excitement around the program. It all starts at the top. Not entirely Selmon's fault, Keenum is to blame as well.

Until those issues are fixed. I will not give money for them to piss away. Money will not fill gaps for our defense. It will not teach Lebby how to run a program. We have turned into a training ground for coordinators to fail and only the people making the hires are responsible for that, but we expect the fans to "pony up and pay". Unreal.

[MBDawg601]

The plan is in place. Come Monday December 2, it will be implemented. Transfers, staff changes, positions added, and more. The plan is already there. We just needed the money to execute it and we have that. Some of it is the 8 million. The other part is a very large donation to the BI

If this is true, I will be thrilled. I have no reason to believe this though given their track record. I hope I am wrong.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Take a step back from the ledge, you will really be crying if this guy and his wife did that??very foolish remark. Pretty sure he accounts for about 20-30 percent of annual donations but yeah let him go.

I, nor anyone else, will be. No one gives a flying 17 about annual donations. All we care about is the Bulldog Initiative. And that is from the AD on down. I can personally guarantee if he pulls his donation, which we have heard people say MANY TIMES BEFORE and never followed through, we will be just fine. We have already replaced it thanks to the 8 million dollar man. I mean you really think he just donated to State and not the Initiative too?

[SilentSteel16]

I read this to say you give to athletics/bulldog club but refuse to give to NIL. What is the difference? Going forward, NlL will be largely funded by the bulldog club/university.

Giving to the university is one thing. Directly paying players that don’t earn it and have the attitudes they do on the field does not justify the payment. NFL players are not paid directly by the fans. Revenue from fans pays the owner which in turn pays the player. Not the same as saying, hey number 80 you played really good in high school. Take this 5k and play for my school. I didn’t agree with paying players then and I don’t now.

Going forward being paid by bulldog club would be vastly different than paying directly to a kid. When and if that happens not hypothetically that bridge will be crossed then.

[SilentSteel16]

I, nor anyone else, will be. No one gives a flying 17 about annual donations. All we care about is the Bulldog Initiative. And that is from the AD on down. I can personally guarantee if he pulls his donation, which we have heard people say MANY TIMES BEFORE and never followed through, we will be just fine. We have already replaced it thanks to the 8 million dollar man. I mean you really think he just donated to State and not the Initiative too?

Yes I know for 100 percent fact his was paid to school and football program. FYI his quarterly to football only is almost 1.5 million and has been for the 12 years I have personally known him. He gives to all sports but slots the most quarterly to football and baseball.

He has said numerous times that if he finds out it went to NIL it was a stop payment immediately and Selmon knows this

[SilentSteel16]

Again you are fooling yourself if you don’t think his donations are cared for. He was asked to front CML a visit fee.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Giving to the university is one thing. Directly paying players that don’t earn it and have the attitudes they do on the field does not justify the payment. NFL players are not paid directly by the fans. Revenue from fans pays the owner which in turn pays the player. Not the same as saying, hey number 80 you played really good in high school. Take this 5k and play for my school. I didn’t agree with paying players then and I don’t now.

Going forward being paid by bulldog club would be vastly different than paying directly to a kid. When and if that happens not hypothetically that bridge will be crossed then.

How is that going to be different??? You really think the University is going to pay players with their money??? They are going to raise prices and the fans will still be footing the bill.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Yes I know for 100 percent fact his was paid to school and football program. FYI his quarterly to football only is almost 1.5 million and has been for the 12 years I have personally known him. He gives to all sports but slots the most quarterly to football and baseball.

He has said numerous times that if he finds out it went to NIL it was a stop payment immediately and Selmon knows this

Well umm…..it cannot go to NIL. Does this guy know that the Bulldog Initiative and Mississippi State are two separate entities??? I mean if he is making comments like that MULTIPLE times I kind of think he thinks they are the same thing. Do we need to get him in touch with Charlie to explain the difference? I think we could facilitate that.

[SilentSteel16]

Charlie knows him very well. Was one of his first phone calls with BI. He has made his position known.


Good day to you

[Really Clark?]

Giving to the university is one thing. Directly paying players that don’t earn it and have the attitudes they do on the field does not justify the payment. NFL players are not paid directly by the fans. Revenue from fans pays the owner which in turn pays the player. Not the same as saying, hey number 80 you played really good in high school. Take this 5k and play for my school. I didn’t agree with paying players then and I don’t now.

Going forward being paid by bulldog club would be vastly different than paying directly to a kid. When and if that happens not hypothetically that bridge will be crossed then.

I get what you are saying and I know many who give to the NIL also don't like the structure. The reason though, to use your analogy of waiting to cross that bridge when it happens, whatever form / reform this morphs into, we can't wait to have the infrastructure already built. To cross whatever bridge is in our way down the road, we can't wait until the bridge is built. We have to have the surrounding infrastructure built beforehand. Waiting to cross a bridge to decide what to do is not an option anymore. And what we have done too many times in the past.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Charlie knows him very well. Was one of his first phone calls with BI. He has made his position known.


Good day to you

Then that guy should know it is illegal, federally, to misappropriate funds to an outside entity. Like the fact that he had to tell someone to not send his donation to Mississippi State to the Bulldog Initiative is weird. Pretty sure we are not operating in bad faith.

[Commercecomet24]

I spent $13 yesterday at McDonalds.

Just for me.

Biggie Bag at Wendys, Double stack, chicken nuggets, fries and a drink for $5. Lunch of champions, lol!

[Commercecomet24]

I love how some of you guys think you can put your heads in the sand until this "straightens out". That could take years, if ever.

I think the whole NIL deal is ****ing stupid. But, it's the reality we have to deal with. Adapt or die.

This is pretty much it in a nutshell.

[BrunswickDawg]

Can we get Sarah McLachlan to record a commercial like she did for the ASPCA to play on the jumbotron and tv spots?

"Hello, I'm Sarah McLachlan," she says to the camera in the new ad. "For just dollars a day, you can help athletes without a starting spot find a home." Instead of shots of sad dogs, you replace with photos of random non-descriptive athletes in various uniforms...

In the arms of an angel... it would be hilarious!!!

No one would be able to hear it because our sound system still sucks

[StarkVegasSteve]

No one would be able to hear it because our sound system still sucks

DAMN.......You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to BrunswickDawg again.

[Maverick91]

Deal. Pick you up at 8 on Saturday?

I'll wear my Walmart best.

[dawgday166]

Food prices are up 20-30%. Normal people are running up credit card debt just to buy beef and eggs. But let's ask them to pay an extra $40 a month so our university can pay 17-22 year old mercenaries to play football. Why didn't anyone else come up with that brilliant solution? Genius, you are.

The reason they want "the mob", as I think the Romans called the regular folks, to pay for NIL is so the coaches, admins, ESPN talking heads (like Saban), and Disney/ESPN Execs can keep making their millions. And so schools can cycle thru coaches every 2 or 3 years and be able to afford many millions of dollars of buyouts ... Plus bigger coaching salaries. Like Auburn does every 2 years or so.

The players are an issue but in the big scheme ... They're a nit.

Bread and circuses. Barely paying attention to it now. Enjoyed it while it lasted.

[Maroonthirteen]

Did anyone listen to the Walker Jones segment on Bo Bounds today? Give it a listen.

He acknowledges OM NIL payout for this football team is $12-13MM. He says if you're not spending $9-10MM, you won't have top 25 talent. He says NIL demands are going up every year.

He talks about the House v NCAA settlement.

He says UK baseball spent about $350k on the baseball NIL last year. No idea how he knows that. He said you can spend less $1MM and have a competitive baseball team.

It was informative and ridiculous to me. I dnk how any school scraps together $10-12MM for football NIL each year. Sounds crazy

[TheLostDawg]

That is the only logical thing.

Shitty hire in Football that made shitty coordinator hires. Did not rectify our baseball situation. Our media department (athletics) is that of a d3 school. Our rival is about to make the College Football playoff because they made the RIGHT hires. There is little to no excitement around the program. It all starts at the top. Not entirely Selmon's fault, Keenum is to blame as well.

Until those issues are fixed. I will not give money for them to piss away. Money will not fill gaps for our defense. It will not teach Lebby how to run a program. We have turned into a training ground for coordinators to fail and only the people making the hires are responsible for that, but we expect the fans to "pony up and pay". Unreal.

Sound like you've given up and if you don't want to give in a time that's critical then why get on the message board

[TheLostDawg]

Did anyone listen to the Walker Jones segment on Bo Bounds today? Give it a listen.

He acknowledges OM NIL payout for this football team is $12-13MM. He says if you're not spending $9-10MM, you won't have top 25 talent. He says NIL demands are going up every year.

He talks about the House v NCAA settlement.

He says UK baseball spent about $350k on the baseball NIL last year. No idea how he knows that. He said you can spend less $1MM and have a competitive baseball team.

It was informative and ridiculous to me. I dnk how any school scraps together $10-12MM for football NIL each year. Sounds crazy

I'd like to know about basketball. Maybe we need to dump our money there for now.

[MBDawg601]

Sound like you've given up and if you don't want to give in a time that's critical then why get on the message board

Did you read my post?

If you think our Athletic department is doing good work, I do not know what to tell you.

Let me blindly give to people that have no clue what they're doing. That's smart.

[TrapGame]

Did anyone listen to the Walker Jones segment on Bo Bounds today? Give it a listen.

He acknowledges OM NIL payout for this football team is $12-13MM. He says if you're not spending $9-10MM, you won't have top 25 talent. He says NIL demands are going up every year.

He talks about the House v NCAA settlement.

He says UK baseball spent about $350k on the baseball NIL last year. No idea how he knows that. He said you can spend less $1MM and have a competitive baseball team.

It was informative and ridiculous to me. I dnk how any school scraps together $10-12MM for football NIL each year. Sounds crazy

The rerun was on this morning. That was a fascinating segment. I encourage others to go listen to it. And he also said $5 million gets you a championship level basketball team.

He said OM has a department that is solely for portal evaluation. This Saturday they will be in the booth looking at UK players to possibly target in December if they hit the portal.

[cheewgumm]

Depending on what business you work in, these things Ole Miss is doing sound like common sense.

Not sure if we are doing these things, but they are apparently treating this like they are running a business ( which they are).

Kudos to them. If we are not doing this, we have to catch up. Simple things to do, but hvae to put the plan in place, if it's not already.

[Goldendawg]

The reason they want "the mob", as I think the Romans called the regular folks, to pay for NIL is so the coaches, admins, ESPN talking heads (like Saban), and Disney/ESPN Execs can keep making their millions. And so schools can cycle thru coaches every 2 or 3 years and be able to afford many millions of dollars of buyouts ... Plus bigger coaching salaries. Like Auburn does every 2 years or so.

The players are an issue but in the big scheme ... They're a nit.

Bread and circuses. Barely paying attention to it now. Enjoyed it while it lasted.

Love (Not) hearing HC's making multi-millions, who can leave for a higher paying gig about at will take a joke of morale high ground on how bad NIL/Portal is. Saben is also a hypocrite as he got out because he could no longer stack 4 or 5 years of recruiting classes of 4 and 5 stars who had to wait their turn to see the field, Greed of NCAA also a big problem. This has been coming for decades. At least NFL has contracts and salary caps which college game must implement. Education now really means little to most of these players whom are "sure" they will go Pro. Without contracts and salary caps, we will have maybe 15 teams fighting for the playoffs, Globetrotters, and the rest the Washington Generals as regular season opposition.

[Goldendawg]

Depending on what business you work in, these things Ole Miss is doing sound like common sense.

Not sure if we are doing these things, but they are apparently treating this like they are running a business ( which they are).

Kudos to them. If we are not doing this, we have to catch up. Simple things to do, but hvae to put the plan in place, if it's not already.

Hard to say our evaluation of our past 53 member portal class went very well, SEC talent wise. Seeing claims portal was already picked over when current staff got here. If so, hope we didn't spend much on this bunch which has been compounded by our "Not Ready For Primetime" coaching staff to date! Even teams of the Shira years, Pharr, Smith, Milner, Lewis... had some talented players fun to watch even while losing big time. Not this bunch at all. JMO.

[confucius say]

Giving to the university is one thing. Directly paying players that don?t earn it and have the attitudes they do on the field does not justify the payment. NFL players are not paid directly by the fans. Revenue from fans pays the owner which in turn pays the player. Not the same as saying, hey number 80 you played really good in high school. Take this 5k and play for my school. I didn?t agree with paying players then and I don?t now.

Going forward being paid by bulldog club would be vastly different than paying directly to a kid. When and if that happens not hypothetically that bridge will be crossed then.

It's already happening. All over the country. Universities (the athletic arm like the bulldog club for us or twelfth man for Aggie) are funding collectives. Not saying we have been doing this. But others have and it's the future.

[confucius say]

Did anyone listen to the Walker Jones segment on Bo Bounds today? Give it a listen.

He acknowledges OM NIL payout for this football team is $12-13MM. He says if you're not spending $9-10MM, you won't have top 25 talent. He says NIL demands are going up every year.

He talks about the House v NCAA settlement.

He says UK baseball spent about $350k on the baseball NIL last year. No idea how he knows that. He said you can spend less $1MM and have a competitive baseball team.

It was informative and ridiculous to me. I dnk how any school scraps together $10-12MM for football NIL each year. Sounds crazy

It was a good interview.
I didn't quite understand him to say that OM definitely spent 12-13 million. He said it was in that ballpark and then said you have to be close to 10 million to be a real competitor. So my guess is they spent closer to 10 than 12.

Revenue sharing is going to help football. Basketball and baseball will still be a lot of NIL.

[dawgday166]

Love (Not) hearing HC's making multi-millions, who can leave for a higher paying gig about at will take a joke of morale high ground on how bad NIL/Portal is. Saben is also a hypocrite as he got out because he could no longer stack 4 or 5 years of recruiting classes of 4 and 5 stars who had to wait their turn to see the field, Greed of NCAA also a big problem. This has been coming for decades. At least NFL has contracts and salary caps which college game must implement. Education now really means little to most of these players whom are "sure" they will go Pro. Without contracts and salary caps, we will have maybe 15 teams fighting for the playoffs, Globetrotters, and the rest the Washington Generals as regular season opposition.

Yep.
Saban's always been a hypocrite and lobbyist.
Kids ain't got time to get beneficial degrees that are pretty difficult.
They spend all their out of practice time watching game film or getting treatments.
Throw in a social life too and they ain't got time.
A beneficial degree plus football is probably about 80 or more hours a week.
My nephew got a Mechanical Engineering degree while being on the football practice and game management crew.
Bout killed him ... he was spending 40+ just on football.

[RezDog7]

If we are gonna get back to the innocence players not getting paid , can the colleges forego the 100 trillion dollars they are making o. tv. Contracts?

Or is that still ok?

That's it right there. You want me to pay some athlete to play a sport while the schools make $100m on it said athlete. Nah, I'm out. I'd rather pay taxes.

[dawgday166]

I'll add something else.
I believe they just increased schollys to 100 or more.
How is that helping "parity"??
Now the blue blood schools can gobble up ALL the 4 and 5* players.
Whether anyone wants to admit it or not, I believe they are trying to squeeze out MSU and other schools like us.
So ... outside of my subscription to Dish and paying for ESPN/SEC network (for the near term), I ain't giving/contributing one red cent.
I'm starting to hope the whole house of cards comes crumbling down on their heads.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I'll add something else.
I believe they just increased schollys to 100 or more.
How is that helping "parity"??
Now the blue blood schools can gobble up ALL the 4 and 5* players.
Whether anyone wants to admit it or not, I believe they are trying to squeeze out MSU and other schools like us.
So ... outside of my subscription to Dish and paying for ESPN/SEC network (for the near term), I ain't giving/contributing one red cent.
I'm starting to hope the whole house of cards comes crumbling down on their heads.

And this is the problem we're trying to combat within our own damn fanbase. Half of our fans waiting on a prayer and a hope that this goes away. IT'S NOT. IT NEVER WILL. The system could collapse but players will always be getting paid. And they always have. The difference is now that the common fan can help. This is what most fan bases have bought in to. They understand that the big boosters can't be bled dry for everything. So they help where they can. Whether that is $25/month or $250/quarter. The only thing squeezing out Mississippi State is our own fanbase.

[confucius say]

And this is the problem we're trying to combat within our own damn fanbase. Half of our fans waiting on a prayer and a hope that this goes away. IT'S NOT. IT NEVER WILL. The system could collapse but players will always be getting paid. And they always have. The difference is now that the common fan can help. This is what most fan bases have bought in to. They understand that the big boosters can't be bled dry for everything. So they help where they can. Whether that is $25/month or $250/quarter. The only thing squeezing out Mississippi State is our own fanbase.

It's so frustrating. Most of Our fanbase would rather go 1-11 than give $20 a month.

[dawgday166]

And this is the problem we're trying to combat within our own damn fanbase. Half of our fans waiting on a prayer and a hope that this goes away. IT'S NOT. IT NEVER WILL. The system could collapse but players will always be getting paid. And they always have. The difference is now that the common fan can help. This is what most fan bases have bought in to. They understand that the big boosters can't be bled dry for everything. So they help where they can. Whether that is $25/month or $250/quarter. The only thing squeezing out Mississippi State is our own fanbase.

Don't care. I contribute to St. Judes.
BTW ... this happened in Rome too.

[SilentSteel16]

I will watch them go 1-11 or 0-12 from my seats before I give to players. I give to KLove, St Jude, Compassion and Hope International monthly over $100 each. I have the expendable income and the time, just don’t have an ounce of want to give to an organization that obviously wastes the money.

Call me what you will, but no thank you. Not going to stop my tailgate or family get together if we go 0-12. Might help with traffic though. Hail State.

My 24 year old son actually started a drinking game with his buddy as to every time someone approached about NIL or BI they take a shot. Pretty entertaining to watch.

[dawgday166]

I will watch them go 1-11 or 0-12 from my seats before I give to players. I give to KLove, St Jude, Compassion and Hope International monthly over $100 each. I have the expendable income and the time, just don’t have an ounce of want to give to an organization that obviously wastes the money.

Call me what you will, but no thank you. Not going to stop my tailgate or family get together if we go 0-12. Might help with traffic though. Hail State.

My 24 year old son actually started a drinking game with his buddy as to every time someone approached about NIL or BI they take a shot. Pretty entertaining to watch.

Do the liquor/beer companies make that much alcohol? I figure they'll probably run out.

[SilentSteel16]

I have to say this for the collective. They are well represented….. I wish them well but we do respectfully decline their invitations. There are probably about 20-30 different kids show up about it. It really is impressive the legwork on game day. Just honestly not for us.


The three playing the game are well tuned for kickoff. Haha

[StarkVegasSteve]

I will watch them go 1-11 or 0-12 from my seats before I give to players. I give to KLove, St Jude, Compassion and Hope International monthly over $100 each. I have the expendable income and the time, just don’t have an ounce of want to give to an organization that obviously wastes the money.

Call me what you will, but no thank you. Not going to stop my tailgate or family get together if we go 0-12. Might help with traffic though. Hail State.

My 24 year old son actually started a drinking game with his buddy as to every time someone approached about NIL or BI they take a shot. Pretty entertaining to watch.

That's great that you donate to those causes. No one has ever said you should stop. But I just don't get the apprehension to give to athletes yet you say that if it was through the University you would have no problem giving. The money is going to the same place. Why the hangup if it goes through the Bulldog Initiative but no hang up if it went through the State Excellence Fund? I'm being serious. I'm trying to truly understand why every time NIL is brought up on this board you spring into action and have to defend your stance. Like we understand that you don't like it and you think it's the devil and you would rather us lose than win. Why? I have absolutely no clue. Winning is a lot more fun than losing to me at least. Winning also drives the economy of a college town. So I know you think winning isn't important, but it is. And not just for on the field.

[War Machine Dawg]

Aren’t we top 5 fattest state in the union? Maybe we’re over spending on food. The point is, 40 bucks isn’t that much. It’s honestly not even enough to take 4 people to a movie on. It’s not enough to take a girl on a nice date on. If you’ve got to choose what to do with 40 bucks as if it’s life or death…keep the 40 bucks. It’s really not rocket science. If you can afford it and want to, then give. If you can afford it and don’t want to, don’t. But all sports are like this now. Basketball and baseball too. If you want any of them to be decent, we must pony up the money. I’m not a fan of NIL or the way it’s structured. But if we don’t play ball now, there won’t be a time to play ball later.

Classy. We could have a real discussion about the food supply in the US largely being poison, leading to obesity. We could talk about things like seed oils, inability to afford healthy food unless you're making 6 figures, how the food pyramid is garbage, or any number of other factors. But you would rather say that people struggling to buy staples like beef and eggs are fat asses who need to eat less and pay athletic mercenaries money they already don't have when their dollar is buying less than ever. Enjoy that superiority complex. Ignorance really is bliss, in your case.

[dawgday166]

That's great that you donate to those causes. No one has ever said you should stop. But I just don't get the apprehension to give to athletes yet you say that if it was through the University you would have no problem giving. The money is going to the same place. Why the hangup if it goes through the Bulldog Initiative but no hang up if it went through the State Excellence Fund? I'm being serious. I'm trying to truly understand why every time NIL is brought up on this board you spring into action and have to defend your stance. Like we understand that you don't like it and you think it's the devil and you would rather us lose than win. Why? I have absolutely no clue. Winning is a lot more fun than losing to me at least. Winning also drives the economy of a college town. So I know you think winning isn't important, but it is. And not just for on the field.

Be patient. Saban will fix it. He'll lobby Congress to subsidize CFB cause it's sooo important to the economy. Congress and Senate will pass a multi-billion dollar bill the next globalist president will sign, so we can then add several billion a year to our national debt and keep CFB afloat. And the taxpayers will pick up the tab. And Saban and all the CFB hierarchy (which ain't the players) can keep stuffing their pockets with lots and lot and lots of cash.
No worries.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Be patient. Saban will fix it. He'll lobby Congress to subsidize CFB cause it's sooo important to the economy. Congress and Senate will pass a multi-billion dollar bill the next globalist president will sign, so we can then add several billion a year to our national debt and keep CFB afloat. And the taxpayers will pick up the tab.
No worries.

I mean are you doubting that winning drives the economy of a college town? I mean do you think all those condos in Starkville or the new developments in the District were because Starkville is just such a damn happening place 365 days a year? No those were built on the backs of Dan Mullen and Dak Prescott and what they did here. They made it fun to come to games and spend the weekend in Starkville. A bunch of people, myself included, decided that we enjoyed it so much that we bought a place at one of those condo complexes. I didn't see those popping up from 2003-2009 though. And funny enough, we were pretty damn bad at football those years.

[SilentSteel16]

That's great that you donate to those causes. No one has ever said you should stop. But I just don't get the apprehension to give to athletes yet you say that if it was through the University you would have no problem giving. The money is going to the same place. Why the hangup if it goes through the Bulldog Initiative but no hang up if it went through the State Excellence Fund? I'm being serious. I'm trying to truly understand why every time NIL is brought up on this board you spring into action and have to defend your stance. Like we understand that you don't like it and you think it's the devil and you would rather us lose than win. Why? I have absolutely no clue. Winning is a lot more fun than losing to me at least. Winning also drives the economy of a college town. So I know you think winning isn't important, but it is. And not just for on the field.

Truth be told last year I donated 4800 to BI I then called and found out through money tracing that BI did for me, that it all went to a kid that is no longer on the team. He transferred. So there at that point I SAID NEVER AGAIN.

For the record I think it is great that they actually trace it, should help with the “where did the money go” argument.

Frankly just a bad investment on my part. Learning never stops.

My BDC, Tickets,parking passes and townhome are already in my budget. Therefore they stay.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Truth be told last year I donated 4800 to BI I then called and found out through money tracing that BI did for me, that it all went to a kid that is no longer on the team. He transferred. So there at that point I SAID NEVER AGAIN.

For the record I think it is great that they actually trace it, should help with the “where did the money go” argument.

Frankly just a bad investment on my part. Learning never stops.

My BDC, Tickets,parking passes and townhome are already in my budget. Therefore they stay.

So what you're saying is that you'd like for your money to go towards a player that you know will stay. I've got no problem with that. Also I think it's very admirable that you did donate even though you're against it. I commend you for that. I would say this, there's a lot of people that donated to players no longer here, I am one of them as well(it was Zavion), but I'm not going to let that one bad investment deter me from donating again. I donated again for Hubbard, at least I assume I did since I clicked basketball and know he is about 40% of our NIL basketball budget, and that's been a great donation. I plan on making another one time donation on top of my monthly donation when the portal opens up in December. We're going to need a QB and every bit is going to help for Jackson Arnold.

[confucius say]

Classy. We could have a real discussion about the food supply in the US largely being poison, leading to obesity. We could talk about things like seed oils, inability to afford healthy food unless you're making 6 figures, how the food pyramid is garbage, or any number of other factors. But you would rather say that people struggling to buy staples like beef and eggs are fat asses who need to eat less and pay athletic mercenaries money they already don't have when their dollar is buying less than ever. Enjoy that superiority complex. Ignorance really is bliss, in your case.

Apples and bananas and fresh green beans are cheaper than blue bell and Oreos and Fritos. The idea that you can't eat healthy for just as cheap as eating unhealthy is a myth. We just need to educate people on how to do it. Should be a required class in school.
I can feed a family of 5 hamburger steak and green beans for the $20 it costs two adults to go to Wendy's.

Off soapbox

[StarkVegasSteve]

Apples and bananas and fresh green beans are cheaper than blue bell and Oreos and Fritos. The idea that you can't eat healthy for just as cheap as eating unhealthy is a myth. We just need to educate people on how to do it. Should be a required class in school.
I can feed a family of 5 hamburger steak and green beans for the $20 it costs two adults to go to Wendy's.

Off soapbox

And to tie this in to the conversation at hand, you can donate the money you saved to the Bulldog Initiative!!! Paying for players with healthy savings. I think we've found a campaign slogan for our next donation drive.

[dawgday166]

I mean are you doubting that winning drives the economy of a college town? I mean do you think all those condos in Starkville or the new developments in the District were because Starkville is just such a damn happening place 365 days a year? No those were built on the backs of Dan Mullen and Dak Prescott and what they did here. They made it fun to come to games and spend the weekend in Starkville. A bunch of people, myself included, decided that we enjoyed it so much that we bought a place at one of those condo complexes. I didn't see those popping up from 2003-2009 though. And funny enough, we were pretty damn bad at football those years.

LOL ... you a funny guy.
Pretty clueless on the forces driving everything happening in the world and the reasons behind it all tho.
Including college tuition costs.
And small towns in MS in the last few decades.
As things continue to merge more rapidly towards the top, lessee how many options are left when there are only 2 or 3 options and they're all working in lockstep with each other and yet ... we're told there is "competition" and "options".
Need to be paying attention to understand all this and most people ain't ... they're overly concerned with bread and circuses.

[StarkVegasSteve]

LOL ... you a funny guy.
Pretty clueless on the forces driving everything happening in the world and the reasons behind it all tho.
Including college tuition costs.
And small towns in MS in the last few decades.
As things continue to merge more rapidly towards the top, lessee how many options are left when there are only 2 or 3 options and they're all working in lockstep with each other and yet ... we're told there is "competition" and "options".
Need to be paying attention to understand all this and most people ain't ... they're overly concerned with bread and circuses.

Thank you for the word salad and not answering the question.

[MBDawg601]

Money doesn't make winning programs.

Look at A&M. Please stop pushing that NIL will solve our issues. Start holding the people making millions to run the programs accountable. I don't make a million dollars a year and I walk a much tighter rope than these yahoos.

[DEDawg]

LOL ... you a funny guy.
Pretty clueless on the forces driving everything happening in the world and the reasons behind it all tho.
Including college tuition costs.
And small towns in MS in the last few decades.
As things continue to merge more rapidly towards the top, lessee how many options are left when there are only 2 or 3 options and they're all working in lockstep with each other and yet ... we're told there is "competition" and "options".
Need to be paying attention to understand all this and most people ain't ... they're overly concerned with bread and circuses.
This is just rambling.

[DEDawg]

Money doesn't make winning programs.

Look at A&M. Please stop pushing that NIL will solve our issues. Start holding the people making millions to run the programs accountable. I don't make a million dollars a year and I walk a much tighter rope than these yahoos.

Money ALONE does not make winning programs. You are correct you need accountability and coaching and a multitude of other things as well that A&M did not have. However, programs without money will not win and that is a fact.

[MBDawg601]

Money ALONE does not make winning programs. You are correct you need accountability and coaching and a multitude of other things as well that A&M did not have. However, programs without money will not win and that is a fact.

You have a point. Well said.

[DEDawg]

You have a point. Well said.

Thank you. Call me the forever optimist but I think we have the right coach in Jans and Lebby to seriously compete YoY if the funding support is there. Lemon idk about

[dawgday166]

This is just rambling.

To you ... maybe so.
The Roman elites understood the "mob" to a tee.
Same as today.
The elites understand how to get the "mob" to keep paying them even when their policies were causing Rome to crash and burn.
The "mob" will break themselves financially for "bread" and "circuses".
And the "mob" will keep buying the narratives about why it is so.
Sooner or later ... it all comes crashing down.

[Pancho]

very true of the society today

[Brobi-wan]

Classy. We could have a real discussion about the food supply in the US largely being poison, leading to obesity. We could talk about things like seed oils, inability to afford healthy food unless you're making 6 figures, how the food pyramid is garbage, or any number of other factors. But you would rather say that people struggling to buy staples like beef and eggs are fat asses who need to eat less and pay athletic mercenaries money they already don't have when their dollar is buying less than ever. Enjoy that superiority complex. Ignorance really is bliss, in your case.

Some of what you say is true. A lot of it isn?t. Weight loss and gain is largely calories in and calories out. Literally not possible to gain weight without excess. You know how those of us who like to eat clean avoid the preservatives and poison? Meal prep and cook our own food. Crazy thing is, I meal prep every week. I eat pork, beef, eggs, chicken and all the protein and nutrients I need while frying none of it, making 90% of it myself, and I don?t have the problem of obesity. Here?s the thing, obesity is classified as 25% body fat % and up for men. If a quarter of your mass is fat, yes you need to eat less. It?s literally that simple. Put down little Debby and cook a real meal, get out of the fast food line etc.

And as far as why everything is so hard to pay for, dude these people bitching about being poor still have iPhones, still pay for subscriptions to watch tv, still have Amazon prime, still have Apple Music/Spotify. For a lot of people, the difference between comfort and paycheck to paycheck is building a decent budget. The reason my grandparents were able to build wealth is partly because they were the last generation not buying all the things some of us do yearly. I?ve got friends who can?t afford houses but build 1500 dollar gaming PCs and bitch about how expensive things are. Forgive my lack of sympathy for a world with no self control. All you?ve been doing lately is complaining about NIL. It?s not a tax, dude. Nobody is making you pay it. There?s nothing wrong with the people who want to give, giving. Your point has been made. Give the dead horse a rest.

[Pancho]

maybe you both are kinda saying the same thing, just different

[Cooterpoot]

I bought Noodle a beer last year. But he wanted a seltzer, so I pulled my offer.*

[Bamboo]

A question i have is in regards to how many wins are needed each year for our fans to be happy? We called it mediocrity to accept 8 wins per season, would we now be satisfied with this? How many wins would a 10 mil nil football budget get us and would we be satisfied? I honestly can't envision a scenario where we could legitimately expect to be in the running for a football NC in the current environment. I can see it as a legitimate possibility in baseball and basketball though.

[DEDawg]

A question i have is in regards to how many wins are needed each year for our fans to be happy? We called it mediocrity to accept 8 wins per season, would we now be satisfied with this? How many wins would a 10 mil nil football budget get us and would we be satisfied? I honestly can't envision a scenario where we could legitimately expect to be in the running for a football NC in the current environment. I can see it as a legitimate possibility in baseball and basketball though.

To me if we spend $10M and every 3-4 years we make the playoffs (remember it?s just top 12 now) and the other years regularly are in and out of top 25 getting 8 wins and decent bowl games I?m ecstatic.

Remember to get to $10M us normal fans only need to donate sub $500 a year. I love this university so much that?s nothing for the amount of job being good at football brings me.

[Bamboo]

To me if we spend $10M and every 3-4 years we make the playoffs (remember it?s just top 12 now) and the other years regularly are in and out of top 25 getting 8 wins and decent bowl games I?m ecstatic.

I'd be fine with this as well. The players are only going to increase though until they implement some sort of cap.

[DEDawg]

I'd be fine with this as well. The players are only going to increase though until they implement some sort of cap.
It?s one of the most free market economical situations I can think of so I think it will stabilize pretty quickly. The market will dictate a top end

[MBDawg601]

To me if we spend $10M and every 3-4 years we make the playoffs (remember it?s just top 12 now) and the other years regularly are in and out of top 25 getting 8 wins and decent bowl games I?m ecstatic.

Remember to get to $10M us normal fans only need to donate sub $500 a year. I love this university so much that?s nothing for the amount of job being good at football brings me.

10 mil a year to be competitive in a college football game.

Jesus christ. Our fans have lost their minds. In what realm is that sustainable, and if it is sustainable... 10 mil a year could be better utilized elsewhere not to pay privileged players that hop in the portal first sign of adversity.

EDIT: You're talking 10 million from OUTSIDE the university. I'm fine if the league/university is footing the bill.

[TrapGame]

In case some of you guys missed it, in the first quarter of the UK/OM game the announcers were saying how the big college teams are hiring NFL guys with experience managing player rosters. It's now more like the NFL than college.

[DEDawg]

10 mil a year to be competitive in a college football game.

Jesus christ. Our fans have lost their minds. In what realm is that sustainable, and if it is sustainable... 10 mil a year could be better utilized elsewhere not to pay privileged players that hop in the portal first sign of diversity.

EDIT: You're talking 10 million from OUTSIDE the university. I'm fine if the league/university is footing the bill.
Your mind is made up already and that?s fine but youve clearly missed the point here

[MBDawg601]

Your mind is made up already and that?s fine but youve clearly missed the point here

You said you were fine with 10-12 mil making the playoff once every 4 years. And being in the top 25 year in and year out.

Not much more to what you said. Still ridiculous. No-one should be okay with taking that much money out of the economy and into the pockets of teenagers to "possibly" win a couple of games.

[MBDawg601]

Something we both can agree on is how entertaining Ole Miss forums are right now after they DID spend 12+ mil on a team.

My day is made.

[DEDawg]

You said you were fine with 10-12 mil making the playoff once every 4 years. And being in the top 25 year in and year out.

Not much more to what you said. Still ridiculous. No-one should be okay with taking that much money out of the economy and into the pockets of teenagers to "possibly" win a couple of games.
Ha, you think those kids are putting that cash under their mattress? I would bet 60% of that money goes directly to local car dealerships, jewelers, restaurants, and the cotton district. A good part is also going back to mommas at home. I can promise you it is not getting taken out of the economy

[Bamboo]

You said you were fine with 10-12 mil making the playoff once every 4 years. And being in the top 25 year in and year out.

This is the reason for my question. If we spend 10mil a year on football but only get 8/9 wins, will the fans be happy? It's a lot of money to not have a realistic shot at an NC. Perhaps we spend 7 mil on Football to get yearly bowl games then put the rest into baseball and basketball for a legit NC chance.

[Bamboo]

Something we both can agree on is how entertaining Ole Miss forums are right now after they DID spend 12+ mil on a team.

My day is made.

I hate to admit that it has helped my mood today.

[DEDawg]

Something we both can agree on is how entertaining Ole Miss forums are right now after they DID spend 12+ mil on a team.

My day is made.

Its truly a great day

[Lord McBuckethead]

Food prices are up 20-30%. Normal people are running up credit card debt just to buy beef and eggs. But let's ask them to pay an extra $40 a month so our university can pay 17-22 year old mercenaries to play football. Why didn't anyone else come up with that brilliant solution? Genius, you are.

6000 people isn?t everyone. Shit, our stadium holds 60k. Also, times are always tough on people that can?t afford things. Today is no different than 5-10-25 years ago.

[R2Dawg]

10 mil a year to be competitive in a college football game.

Jesus christ. Our fans have lost their minds. In what realm is that sustainable, and if it is sustainable... 10 mil a year could be better utilized elsewhere not to pay privileged players that hop in the portal first sign of diversity.

EDIT: You're talking 10 million from OUTSIDE the university. I'm fine if the league/university is footing the bill.

Yep too many have lost their minds.

[R2Dawg]

Something we both can agree on is how entertaining Ole Miss forums are right now after they DID spend 12+ mil on a team.

My day is made.

Yep and they could have several more losses - USC, OK, Aub, Ark, LSU - none of those games are auto W. I saying already they lose 2 of those and miss the playoffs. Can't wait for the meltdown then Kiffin bolts.

[Cooterpoot]

10 mil a year to be competitive in a college football game.

Jesus christ. Our fans have lost their minds. In what realm is that sustainable, and if it is sustainable... 10 mil a year could be better utilized elsewhere not to pay privileged players that hop in the portal first sign of diversity.

EDIT: You're talking 10 million from OUTSIDE the university. I'm fine if the league/university is footing the bill.

17 off then

[Todd4State]

To me if we spend $10M and every 3-4 years we make the playoffs (remember it?s just top 12 now) and the other years regularly are in and out of top 25 getting 8 wins and decent bowl games I?m ecstatic.

Remember to get to $10M us normal fans only need to donate sub $500 a year. I love this university so much that?s nothing for the amount of job being good at football brings me.

10 wins probably gets us to the playoffs most years I imagine. 10 regular season wins that is. Maybe 9 if our schedule is difficult enough.

[Todd4State]

Yep and they could have several more losses - USC, OK, Aub, Ark, LSU - none of those games are auto W. I saying already they lose 2 of those and miss the playoffs. Can't wait for the meltdown then Kiffin bolts.

South Carolina just became an extremely critical game for them. If they lose that the wheels could very easily come off.

[DEDawg]

10 wins probably gets us to the playoffs most years I imagine. 10 regular season wins that is. Maybe 9 if our schedule is difficult enough.

Right. When Dan was here and had us humming we basically were on 3 to 4 year cycles. 2014 would have been playoffs. 2018 would have if we stayed. So think it?s fair to say if we do our portal recruiting well with the money to do it, playoffs is a very reasonable expectation

[Todd4State]

Right. When Dan was here and had us humming we basically were on 3 to 4 year cycles. 2014 would have been playoffs. 2018 would have if we stayed. So think it?s fair to say if we do our portal recruiting well with the money to do it, playoffs is a very reasonable expectation

I will say I would like for 8-4 to be our down years though. Not 6-6. 6-6 needs to be we're about to make some major changes at the coordinator level.

[DEDawg]

I will say I would like for 8-4 to be our down years though. Not 6-6. 6-6 needs to be we're about to make some major changes at the coordinator level.

I think 6-6 is fine in an obvious rebuild year, BUT if we have a good NIL support those rebuild years should be very rare. A 5 year span of 7-5, 8-4, 10-2, 8-4, 6-6 is great imo. I would personally be thrilled to donate $50 a month to make that happen.