Sunday Morning QB- Cripple Fight Edition

[Coach34]

1. Having a game on Saturday sucks as a HS coach. Especially when you lose said game. A rivalry game that is considered more important than making the playoffs. A pregame meal of baked chicken and green beans followed by an after game Whataburger. Saturday was not a culinary delight in any way at all.

2. Well, we knew Shapen was going to get hurt. So its not surprising. Was hoping it wouldnt be in his first SEC game- but here we are. It would be a big mistake to have him back next year to get hurt again. In this new era of unrestricted free agency and NIL- dont make the same mistake twice. Learn from your mistakes. We rolled the dice and crapped out.

3. Remember me telling you word was that Parson is not the future? Well now you see who we went with yesterday. I expect both will play the rest of the season but the Freshman is likely to get most of the snaps. An ugly offense for most of 2024 just got uglier.

4. Plastic Man getting hurt really sux because the offense finally showed some signs of life. 480 yards. 240 on the nose each way. Daniels is an actual RB and looked solid for the 2nd week in a row- 5.5 per carry. I'll say this again for the 2nd week in a row- the OL is not good BUT having a guy at RB with a little vision shows its not terrible. Being able to run the ball some allows the offense to stay on the field longer by keeping us out of 2nd/3rd and longs constantly.

5. Fla is not a good offense and we made them look like a good offense. 6.6 per rush. Couldnt hardly force an incompletion. No pressure on the QB. Just bad all the way around. Recruit, recruit, recruit.

That's all I got. Not much to say right now. Lebby is going to get 3 years for sure. Let's hope he and his staff's portal evals- especially defensively- are better in Nov and Dec than they were in 2023. Not to mention some quality player development with the free agents we end up keeping on the team.

[Quaoarsking]

I'm going to disagree slightly and say that if we finish 2-10 this year and don't improve to at a minimum 5 wins next year, Lebby has to be gone in November 2025.

[starkvegasdawg]

An NFL all star offense could not cover up the deficiencies of our defense. No matter what they do it will never be enough.

[Coach34]

I'm going to disagree slightly and say that if we finish 2-10 this year and don't improve to at a minimum 5 wins next year, Lebby has to be gone in November 2025.

The AD's handpicked choice for HC from the time he fired Arnott is going to get at least 3

[BuckyIsAB****]

The talent on defense is not as bad as we are playing. We are the only defense that somehow can not put 3 over 2 on the perimeter but yet still be short in the box. It is almost as bad as the yacht clubs bootleg pull into each other offense.

Im not gonna congratulate Lebby for scoring 28 on a Florida team that wont win another SEC game this year

[BankerDog]

The talent on defense is not as bad as we are playing. We are the only defense that somehow can not put 3 over 2 on the perimeter but yet still be short in the box. It is almost as bad as the yacht clubs bootleg pull into each other offense.

Im not gonna congratulate Lebby for scoring 28 on a Florida team that wont win another SEC game this year

I don?t think a guy who?s defense gave up 62 just two weeks ago should be talking other coaches..

[Todd4State]

According to Charlie it sounds like a lot of the players we brought in were kind of already put in motion by the last staff and when Lebby got here there was a lot of hay in the barn.

We have a GM on staff that is going to be doing a lot of player evaluations going forward for us going forward so we will see if that improves our player evaluations. I believe this is someone who has worked with Alabama and Ohio State.

As far as Shapen it's going to depend on how MVB performs and looks.

[StarkVegasSteve]

According to Charlie it sounds like a lot of the players we brought in were kind of already put in motion by the last staff and when Lebby got here there was a lot of hay in the barn.

We have a GM on staff that is going to be doing a lot of player evaluations going forward for us going forward so we will see if that improves our player evaluations. I believe this is someone who has worked with Alabama and Ohio State.

As far as Shapen it's going to depend on how MVB performs and looks.

Probably correct. I know we were kicking the tires on Preston Stone at SMU, but that probably changed yesterday. If MVB looks good, I imagine Shapen transfers out but if he doesn’t we will need to go into the portal because Shapen is probably out until after Spring. I doubt we would rush him back.

[Mjoelner34]

Daniels by far looked the best. There were several times Booth had a gap for an easy 5 or 6yds but for some reason (lack of vision or thinking he's Reggie Bush) bounced outside only to get tackled for 3yds.

[Todd4State]

Probably correct. I know we were kicking the tires on Preston Stone at SMU, but that probably changed yesterday. If MVB looks good, I imagine Shapen transfers out but if he doesn’t we will need to go into the portal because Shapen is probably out until after Spring. I doubt we would rush him back.

Very true and with him being so injury prone we're going to need someone that can play. And since they're going to want to start at some point it needs to be someone with multiple years of eligibility.

[Todd4State]

Daniels by far looked the best. There were several times Booth had a gap for an easy 5 or 6yds but for some reason (lack of vision or thinking he's Reggie Bush) bounced outside only to get tackled for 3yds.

I thought Lee looked good as well.

[Maverick91]

Man it seems that I am the only one who thinks MVB offense hummed much better than Shapens. I'm excited to see what MVB does this year. I actually was excited to see the offense come back out when he was in.

[DawgFromOxford]

Does anyone know if Lebby meddles with the defense and messes stuff up or is Hutzler just that bad? I don?t understand how he?s so bad at calling coverages

[Quaoarsking]

The AD's handpicked choice for HC from the time he fired Arnott is going to get at least 3

If we finish 2-10 and then 4-8 or less, I sure hope we'd tell Selmon that if he doesn't fire Lebby, they'll both be fired.

It's a new era. Coaches don't get "time" anymore, and they shouldn't get it. There are lots of examples of teams reinventing themselves in one offseason through the portal, and Lebby better do that this winter.

[Bothrops]

According to what some of y'all are saying we're gonna have to spend millions of dollars on a defense and proven qb this off season. Otherwise 2026 is going to be the litmus test for Lebby.

[TrapGame]

If we finish 2-10 and then 4-8 or less, I sure hope we'd tell Selmon that if he doesn't fire Lebby, they'll both be fired.

It's a new era. Coaches don't get "time" anymore, and they shouldn't get it. There are lots of examples of teams reinventing themselves in one offseason through the portal, and Lebby better do that this winter.


According to what some of y'all are saying we're gonna have to spend millions of dollars on a defense and proven qb this off season. Otherwise 2026 is going to be the litmus test for Lebby.

$12 million. That's what it will take to rebuild this program and we better have better talent evaluations.

[BuckyIsAB****]

I don?t think a guy who?s defense gave up 62 just two weeks ago should be talking other coaches..

Ha

[Brobi-wan]

The talent on defense is not as bad as we are playing. We are the only defense that somehow can not put 3 over 2 on the perimeter but yet still be short in the box. It is almost as bad as the yacht clubs bootleg pull into each other offense.

Im not gonna congratulate Lebby for scoring 28 on a Florida team that wont win another SEC game this year

Likely 100% correct. Napier will still be fired this year. I do think Lebby will get three years as 34 predicted. Not sure there’s another route. If I’m a successful G5 coach I’m not sure I would touch us at the moment. Maybe if Lebby doesn’t work but is able to get some positivity going. Probably not any sooner than 2026.

[TrapGame]

Likely 100% correct. Napier will still be fired this year. I do think Lebby will get three years as 34 predicted. Not sure there’s another route. If I’m a successful G5 coach I’m not sure I would touch us at the moment. Maybe if Lebby doesn’t work but is able to get some positivity going. Probably not any sooner than 2026.

Lebby needs to have us very competitive and punching hard above our weight in 2026. If not, he needs to go.

[Todd4State]

If we finish 2-10 and then 4-8 or less, I sure hope we'd tell Selmon that if he doesn't fire Lebby, they'll both be fired.

It's a new era. Coaches don't get "time" anymore, and they shouldn't get it. There are lots of examples of teams reinventing themselves in one offseason through the portal, and Lebby better do that this winter.

We can't do that. That would be five coaching changes since 2017.

We need some kind of a foundation and if after three seasons it doesn't work then we fire him.

[ScooterDog]

The main problem I have with Lebby is his hiring all those defensive clowns. If he doesn?t make changes there, I will have lost all respect for the man.

[Percho]

I thought Lee looked good as well.

Ran hard yesterday for sure.

[PMDawg]

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[Coach34]

oh I enjoy the offense alot more than watching the Airbone and the Drop 8 week after week.

[PMDawg]

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[Santiago]

oh I enjoy the offense alot more than watching the Airbone and the Drop 8 week after week.

Call me crazy, but I sort of liked the winning , and knowing each week you are in a game.
Did not matter what offense was run.

[RezDog7]

Call me crazy, but I sort of liked the winning , and knowing each week you are in a game.
Did not matter what offense was run.

Leach only had 3 wins his first year with much more talent.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Let's please not get into another Leach thread. He was good, even great. And he was gone too soon. But he's gone nonetheless. Time to move on.

[Santiago]

Leach only had 3 wins his first year with much more talent.

I am going to say this and done with it.
That was a Covid, SEC only year. You know that.

[BankerDog]

The main problem I have with Lebby is his hiring all those defensive clowns. If he doesn?t make changes there, I will have lost all respect for the man.

He needs to let Barnes call the defense from here on out. Barnes has DC experience at Ohio State and Memphis. Turner needs to retire. His style is better suited for the pro game now

[TrapGame]

He needs to let Barnes call the defense from here on out. Barnes has DC experience at Ohio State and Memphis. Turner needs to retire. His style is better suited for the pro game now

I'm sure if the defense takes a turn for the better in October we will hear the rumors that Barnes is calling the defense.

[StarkVegasSteve]

He needs to let Barnes call the defense from here on out. Barnes has DC experience at Ohio State and Memphis. Turner needs to retire. His style is better suited for the pro game now

Agreed. Let Barnes call it from here on out, and since Barnes is the Co-DC anyways no one would bat an eye. And we probably need to find a bona fide DC this off season. I would imagine Aranda will be available. Brent Pry could be available. Jeremiah Johnson at La Tech could be a good option. You also could try to pull a Bama and pull a sitting G5 HC. Maybe try to find someone that way. I don't think going the way of a first time playcaller needs to be the path forward though

[TrapGame]

Agreed. Let Barnes call it from here on out, and since Barnes is the Co-DC anyways no one would bat an eye. And we probably need to find a bona fide DC this off season. I would imagine Aranda will be available. Brent Pry could be available. Jeremiah Johnson at La Tech could be a good option. You also could try to pull a Bama and pull a sitting G5 HC. Maybe try to find someone that way. I don't think going the way of a first time playcaller needs to be the path forward though

If we could actually pull Dave Aranda as DC/Asst. Head Coach*, I'd shit myself.

(* Y'all know he wouldn't come here just for DC only.)

[Jarius]

Call me crazy, but I sort of liked the winning , and knowing each week you are in a game.
Did not matter what offense was run.

The reason we are in this mess is because the staff that was winning wasn’t recruiting worth a damn. We have zero defensive talent because of that staff. Our current defensive staff is not any good, but they had zero to work with anyway.

[SPMT]

Call me crazy, but I sort of liked the winning , and knowing each week you are in a game.
Did not matter what offense was run.

Yeah, winning and looking half ass organized was more fun.

The last two years are an abomination. Disorganized messes from Arnett and Hutzler this year.

Unfortunately that winning ship sailed with Leach.

Sure, Lebby had to ride with the portal players he had, but the team looks like a mess, especially offensively. And we know it can be solved. There?s enough NIL to beat Toledo, ASU, and even Florida this year.

One thing that Mullen had that Lenny does not is seemingly experienced coaches around him. Cornish sucked but we?d give our left nut for Totbush and the players on that team.

[memsu06]

Yeah, winning and looking half ass organized was more fun.

The last two years are an abomination. Disorganized messes from Arnett and Hutzler this year.

Unfortunately that winning ship sailed with Leach.

Sure, Lebby had to ride with the portal players he had, but the team looks like a mess, especially offensively. And we know it can be solved. There?s enough NIL to beat Toledo, ASU, and even Florida this year.

One thing that Mullen had that Lenny does not is seemingly experienced coaches around him. Cornish sucked but we?d give our left nut for Totbush and the players on that team.

Then we have some saying the offense is more fun to watch at least.

All I see is us getting our face punched in and the QB has 0.3 seconds to throw the ball. I see our runs getting stuffed by freaking Toledo and AZ State. Not to mention we really couldn't run the ball against Eastern KY except for 2 long runs which makes it look better.

Give me the Air Raid methodical drives all day long if that means we're winning, but we're long past the Air Raid now. Who cares if the QB can sling the ball 50 yards down the field. Did the receiver catch the ball? Nope, now we're 2nd down and 10. Let's run the ball for 2 yards. Now we're 3rd and 8 and don't get it cause we can't run the ball 8 yards or the QB gets sacked. With the Air Raid we were pretty good at 3rd down conversions.

I see where Lebby's offense can work if he has players, but I also see us play very undisciplined football with very bad OL and DL play. We don't look anywhere close to a SEC football team right now and quite frankly might be one of the worst in all of FBS. Is it coaches, players, or both?

It seems at MSU it's the death to all offensive schemes. It doesn't matter what we run it never seems to work here.

I think we focus on OL and DL play then the offense will follow.

[Coach34]

We scored 28 points and had 480 yards of offense Saturday

[MoreCowbell]

If we finish 2-10 and then 4-8 or less, I sure hope we'd tell Selmon that if he doesn't fire Lebby, they'll both be fired.

It's a new era. Coaches don't get "time" anymore, and they shouldn't get it. There are lots of examples of teams reinventing themselves in one offseason through the portal, and Lebby better do that this winter.

Not all 4 and 8 records are the same. Depends on how competitive we are and if we are getting better. Mullen first year 5-7 was way better than on paper.

We will likely have a lot of new players next year too. This year was going to be horrible no matter what so Selmon will take that into account. He gets at minimum 3 but probably 4 years.

[MoreCowbell]

Call me crazy, but I sort of liked the winning , and knowing each week you are in a game.
Did not matter what offense was run.

Leach was a good coach with a quirky offense that gave less talented players a better chance of beating more talented teams.

Leach air raid is an absolutely boring brand of football that took a lot of enjoyment out of watch
It sucks that he died because he was one of a kind and it left our program in bad shape.


All three can be true.

[RezDog7]

I am going to say this and done with it.
That was a Covid, SEC only year. You know that.

All I was saying is it took Leech some time too. We can't keep firing coaches. Let it play out a little longer. Saban couldn't fix this mess year one.

[BigDawg81]

Agreed. Let Barnes call it from here on out, and since Barnes is the Co-DC anyways no one would bat an eye. And we probably need to find a bona fide DC this off season. I would imagine Aranda will be available. Brent Pry could be available. Jeremiah Johnson at La Tech could be a good option. You also could try to pull a Bama and pull a sitting G5 HC. Maybe try to find someone that way. I don't think going the way of a first time playcaller needs to be the path forward though If Aranda gets fired from Baylor. I am going to Waco to pick him up myself and head to Starkville.

[Todd4State]

Leach was a good coach with a quirky offense that gave less talented players a better chance of beating more talented teams.

Leach air raid is an absolutely boring brand of football that took a lot of enjoyment out of watch
It sucks that he died because he was one of a kind and it left our program in bad shape.


All three can be true.

Lebby's offense is on the Air Raid/Run n Shoot tree.

[Todd4State]

Agreed. Let Barnes call it from here on out, and since Barnes is the Co-DC anyways no one would bat an eye. And we probably need to find a bona fide DC this off season. I would imagine Aranda will be available. Brent Pry could be available. Jeremiah Johnson at La Tech could be a good option. You also could try to pull a Bama and pull a sitting G5 HC. Maybe try to find someone that way. I don't think going the way of a first time playcaller needs to be the path forward though

Greg Gasperato and Shiel Wood should get a look too. Ron Roberts will be available also.

[SPMT]

All I was saying is it took Leech some time too. We can't keep firing coaches. Let it play out a little longer. Saban couldn't fix this mess year one.

Anyone wanting Lebby fired this year is dumb.

He looks like a deer in the headlights and his D looks worse than the the worst big 12 team. But let?s give the guy a full shot. We just canned the last post coach in year one.

If Lebby is too dumb to pay some top defensive players then he wil be out. And if he doesn?t force the DC to coach better or fire him, he will be out.

[99jc]

iI agree...and I am the 1st one to fire a coach but he has to have 3 years unless we go 1-11 next or 0-12 next year we need to win 5 games minimum next season to see he is making progress.

[MoreCowbell]

Lebby's offense is on the Air Raid/Run n Shoot tree.

It is on a tree that grew from a seed that the original tree dropped in 1997.

I was a Mumme air raid QB in college I know the difference.

[StarkVegasSteve]

It is on a tree that grew from a seed that the original tree dropped in 1997.

I was a Mumme air raid QB in college I know the difference.

Correct. The Briles offense, which is basically what we're running with a bit of Lane and Heupel's offense mixed in, was molded before Art coached with Mike. Art already had his offense when he became the RB coach in Lubbock. However, he took some of Leach's concepts and molded them into what he was already doing.

[West Houston Dog]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/texas-tech-te-says-mississippi-state-has-worst-run-scheme-he-s-ever-seen/ar-AA1rcaQo?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=LCTS&cvid=25eb42934aa9486bac64685541b66087&ei=21

[DawgFromOxford]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/texas-tech-te-says-mississippi-state-has-worst-run-scheme-he-s-ever-seen/ar-AA1rcaQo?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=LCTS&cvid=25eb42934aa9486bac64685541b66087&ei=21

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[TrapGame]

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Damn, every other team held Skittle Do to less than 60 yards. Wyoming held him to 49. Sweet Baby Buddha.

Barnes should be calling the defense right now. Hutzler needs to be far away from the defense.