View Full Version : I see why the OU fans wanted Lebby gone.
Cowbell
09-21-2024, 11:40 PM
He is a terrible play caller. All my OU friends wanted him gone for that reason and I brought it up multiple times when we hired him. Their entire fanbase wanted him gone. I have never seen a team run the ball so much on second and third downs with 15+ to go. And I'm not seeing the creativity.
We are not well-coached. Not disciplined. Not in shape. I don't even care about the losses. It's just how bad of a team we are. Based on what I have seen so far, we might as well have kept Arnette and saved the buyout money for paying players.
Cooterpoot
09-21-2024, 11:41 PM
Have you seen their offense this year, LOL.
Go to bed
Cowbell
09-21-2024, 11:44 PM
Have you seen their offense this year, LOL.
Go to bed
Have you seen ours this year oh football wizard?
Really Clark?
09-21-2024, 11:55 PM
OU was 4th in the country scoring last year and 47th this year so far. I don't think you and your OU pals understand numbers. Like at all.
We are 57th in scoring so far (up from 107th last year)
BulldogBear
09-21-2024, 11:59 PM
My main beef is that it felt like our coaching staff concede the game way to early. Then they 17ed around and realized too late that we were still in it. They are inexperienced and it shows.
MoreCowbell
09-22-2024, 12:04 AM
The play calling is the least of the worries
Todd4State
09-22-2024, 12:15 AM
OU was 4th in the country scoring last year and 47th this year so far. I don't think you and your OU pals understand numbers. Like at all.
We are 57th in scoring so far (up from 107th last year)
I believe we scored 9 touchdowns in SEC play last year and today we scored four. And really should have had 6.
Todd4State
09-22-2024, 12:17 AM
Also if our defense could stop people every now and then our offense would have the ball more and we would actually score more just because of that. I bet our defense is costing us at least 7-14 PPG just because they can't get off the field.
Really Clark?
09-22-2024, 12:38 AM
I believe we scored 9 touchdowns in SEC play last year and today we scored four. And really should have had 6.
We scored 11 TD's last year in conference games. But I agree with your premise and what we left on the table today
Todd4State
09-22-2024, 12:55 AM
We scored 11 TD's last year in conference games. But I agree with your premise and what we left on the table today
My source was a guy leaving the game today so I should obviously use something more reliable. LOL.
DawgFromOxford
09-22-2024, 05:46 AM
The play calling leaves room for improvement no doubt. It feels very predictable. And I don?t understand the run calls and 2nd or 3rd and long. Throw the ball and maybe you get a PI call.
The 4th and 1 at the goal line where we ran a pitch play with a QB with a broken arm was mind boggling
TheLostDawg
09-22-2024, 06:54 AM
Also if our defense could stop people every now and then our offense would have the ball more and we would actually score more just because of that. I bet our defense is costing us at least 7-14 PPG just because they can't get off the field.
https://youtu.be/DiPSwHkIKRA?si=hQ7zuuBkvF3pRsYq
Keep guessing
TNDawg35
09-22-2024, 07:07 AM
I actually thought our run offense looked a lot better yest. The Online was getting good push against their d and if I’m not mistaken, their D has been pretty good against the run (I may be wrong). The pass protection looked like shit tho. We’re gonna have to move the pocket more the VB or Parson.
Y’all may as well get ready, it is gonna be plum ugly against Tennessee. Their D is nasty and Niko is unreal looking. We may not have 100 yards of offense against them…
Cowbell
09-22-2024, 07:49 AM
I actually thought our run offense looked a lot better yest. The Online was getting good push against their d and if I?m not mistaken, their D has been pretty good against the run (I may be wrong). The pass protection looked like shit tho. We?re gonna have to move the pocket more the VB or Parson.
Y?all may as well get ready, it is gonna be plum ugly against Tennessee. Their D is nasty and Niko is unreal looking. We may not have 100 yards of offense against them?
Our run offense has improved but imagine how good it would be if it want predictable
Cowbell
09-22-2024, 07:51 AM
OU was 4th in the country scoring last year and 47th this year so far. I don't think you and your OU pals understand numbers. Like at all.
We are 57th in scoring so far (up from 107th last year)
You can rely on numbers or you can realize that we are early in the season and OU has already played a better defense than it did all of last year. Their offense is terrible though. After two of their losses last year, the entire fanbase blamed it on lebby and his play calling - I live in OU country - they wanted him gone like we wanted Moorhead gone
Cowbell
09-22-2024, 07:54 AM
Tell me anywhere on the field where we look well coached - bad teams that are improving generally have bright spots
Cooterpoot
09-22-2024, 08:08 AM
You can rely on numbers or you can realize that we are early in the season and OU has already played a better defense than it did all of last year. Their offense is terrible though. After two of their losses last year, the entire fanbase blamed it on lebby and his play calling - I live in OU country - they wanted him gone like we wanted Moorhead gone
OU is about to find out they're nothing more than a piss ant in this league. They're just a softball school who thought they were a football school.
DEDawg
09-22-2024, 08:09 AM
Tell me anywhere on the field where we look well coached - bad teams that are improving generally have bright spots
Going into this season everyone said if we avg 30 in SEC play that’s a great job by Lebby, we got 28 game 1 with our backup qb playing q4
TNDawg35
09-22-2024, 08:23 AM
Going into this season everyone said if we avg 30 in SEC play that’s a great job by Lebby, we got 28 game 1 with our backup qb playing q4
Yea but no one realized we would average giving up 50 per game… We knew we would be bad on D, but not historic bad…
TheLostDawg
09-22-2024, 08:33 AM
Yea but no one realized we would average giving up 50 per game… We knew we would be bad on D, but not historic bad…
That's because we have no defensive coaching. We can't tackle and don't understand formations. We need to change whoever is calling our defensive plays.
Bothrops
09-22-2024, 08:50 AM
He is a terrible play caller. All my OU friends wanted him gone for that reason and I brought it up multiple times when we hired him. Their entire fanbase wanted him gone. I have never seen a team run the ball so much on second and third downs with 15+ to go. And I'm not seeing the creativity.
We are not well-coached. Not disciplined. Not in shape. I don't even care about the losses. It's just how bad of a team we are. Based on what I have seen so far, we might as well have kept Arnette and saved the buyout money for paying players.
Lebby is not the problem. But he needs help.
Pancho
09-22-2024, 08:52 AM
I actually thought our run offense looked a lot better yest. The Online was getting good push against their d and if I’m not mistaken, their D has been pretty good against the run (I may be wrong). The pass protection looked like shit tho. We’re gonna have to move the pocket more the VB or Parson.
Y’all may as well get ready, it is gonna be plum ugly against Tennessee. Their D is nasty and Niko is unreal looking. We may not have 100 yards of offense against them…
or georgia or texas or .......
Offshore Dawg
09-22-2024, 08:58 AM
Dawgs do not have the players. You can't have Prime Rib when all you buy is imitation Vinna sausages.
TrapGame
09-22-2024, 09:09 AM
Lebby's not the problem. He's been given a shit sandwich. It's not like JoMo getting the 2018 team loaded and making them look like a MAC team.
Pancho
09-22-2024, 09:15 AM
Lebby is not the problem. But he needs help.
I agree. It'll take a roster stacked with NFL talent to succeed vs the Tennessee Defense.
Bdawg
09-22-2024, 09:25 AM
Dawgs do not have the players. You can't have Prime Rib when all you buy is imitation Vinna sausages.
Great analogy. Let’s keep it going. Can’t make chicken salad out of chicken s***
msstate7
09-22-2024, 09:26 AM
OU is about to find out they're nothing more than a piss ant in this league. They're just a softball school who thought they were a football school.
I'm sure you guys were saying the same thing about Texas, who very well may win it in year 1
I agree, think lebby will have a learning curve for sure but I thought he made a few decent adjustments in game once he saw how florida was going to play us.
We just simply don't have the dudes up front to compete this year and had to take some scraps in the portal. WRs were locked down yesterday.
This season is gonna be a blood bath anyway, wouldn't mind letting the young guys get a bunch of pt this year including the QB position. Really need one of the young QBs to step up so we don't have to buy a portal qb this upcoming offseason.
Brobi-wan
09-22-2024, 09:45 AM
This is a swing and a miss. If you watched how everything unfolded last year and thought Lebby could fix our program in less than 12 months, I want some of what you’re having. The rot is just worse than we thought it was. Can’t blame that on someone who didn’t create the problem. We’ve got to be realistic and still support.
Santiago
09-22-2024, 09:55 AM
This is a swing and a miss. If you watched how everything unfolded last year and thought Lebby could fix our program in less than 12 months, I want some of what you?re having. The rot is just worse than we thought it was. Can?t blame that on someone who didn?t create the problem. We?ve got to be realistic and still support.
Agree, except the defensive coaching hires are on Lebby. It is his team now. He made some hiring mistakes so lets see end of season how he handles it.
DEDawg
09-22-2024, 10:03 AM
Yea but no one realized we would average giving up 50 per game… We knew we would be bad on D, but not historic bad…
Yes but just saying outside of Toledo he has done a great job on the offensive side in a very very short period.
BrunswickDawg
09-22-2024, 10:09 AM
Agree, except the defensive coaching hires are on Lebby. It is his team now. He made some hiring mistakes so let's see end of season how he handles it.
If you were a potential DC back in December would you have taken our job? One look at our roster then and you would have passed too.
Santiago
09-22-2024, 10:20 AM
If you were a potential DC back in December would you have taken our job? One look at our roster then and you would have passed too.
If I was G5, and got a significant pay increase to have my shot in the SEC....yes of course I would take it.
Really Clark?
09-22-2024, 11:10 AM
You can rely on numbers or you can realize that we are early in the season and OU has already played a better defense than it did all of last year. Their offense is terrible though. After two of their losses last year, the entire fanbase blamed it on lebby and his play calling - I live in OU country - they wanted him gone like we wanted Moorhead gone
I mean, why wouldn't someone look at the numbers and realize the premise of the statement is ridiculous when the team was top 5 in scoring last year. Maybe realizing that the defense was not good was by far the bigger issue for OU last season. 48th in scoring defense.
NCDawg
09-22-2024, 11:27 AM
Also if our defense could stop people every now and then our offense would have the ball more and we would actually score more just because of that. I bet our defense is costing us at least 7-14 PPG just because they can't get off the field.
I agree our defense is the primary problem. Florida completed 26 out of 28 passes against us. That's not exactly good defense. I don't blame it all on our defensive backs-the poor pass rush-giving the QB all day to throw has a lot to do with it.
Goldendawg
09-22-2024, 01:28 PM
Agree, except the defensive coaching hires are on Lebby. It is his team now. He made some hiring mistakes so lets see end of season how he handles it.
He also evaluated and chose to bring in these 53 portal guys. Hard to believe the excuse being made now that the portal was picked over and contracts made for the most part when he arrived. He was bragging preseason how great this OL was but guess they looked good against our hopeless "D". Second year in a row to hire a "HC" who had never been a "HC" who then hired a buddy who had never been a "DC". I blame our also "On the Job Training" AD and Keenum. We learn nothing from from past mistakes even as recent as last.year!
RockyDog
09-22-2024, 01:29 PM
He is a terrible play caller. All my OU friends wanted him gone for that reason and I brought it up multiple times when we hired him. Their entire fanbase wanted him gone. I have never seen a team run the ball so much on second and third downs with 15+ to go. And I'm not seeing the creativity.
We are not well-coached. Not disciplined. Not in shape. I don't even care about the losses. It's just how bad of a team we are. Based on what I have seen so far, we might as well have kept Arnette and saved the buyout money for paying players.
As has already been said, you and your friends are stupid. They ran off Dillon Gabriel because they wanted Jackson Arnold and they benched him yesterday for a guy that looks like Shabba Doo from Breakin 2 Electric Boogaloo.
Oklahoma?s offense has looked pedestrian this year and if it wasn?t for their defense they already would have had a loss going into yesterday.
Lebby is fine. He?s working with marginal talent on the oline and no talent at RB. Now we don?t have a QB
RockyDog
09-22-2024, 01:33 PM
I'm sure you guys were saying the same thing about Texas, who very well may win it in year 1
Absolutely nobody said that seeing as Texas was already top 5 going into this season. The only people who thought OU would fare better than 7-5 were OU fans.
Goldendawg
09-22-2024, 01:34 PM
If you were a potential DC back in December would you have taken our job? One look at our roster then and you would have passed too.
Being a "DC" in the SEC looks good on the resume along with a couple of million per on a two year contract especially if you how been successful at G5 or even lower. Two years in a row our rookie HC has hired a friend who has never been a DC. Our fault, AGAIN!
Goldendawg
09-22-2024, 01:38 PM
As has already been said, you and your friends are stupid. They ran off Dillon Gabriel because they wanted Jackson Arnold and they benched him yesterday for a guy that looks like Shabba Doo from Breakin 2 Electric Boogaloo.
Oklahoma?s offense has looked pedestrian this year and if it wasn?t for their defense they already would have had a loss going into yesterday.
Lebby is fine. He?s working with marginal talent on the oline and no talent at RB. Now we don?t have a QB
Our backup QB, MVB, is his recruit, although a true freshman. Also Texas will be starting their backup due to their starter being out, some Manning kid. Oops, nevermind!****
parabrave
09-22-2024, 01:51 PM
Our backup QB, MVB, is his recruit, although a true freshman. Also Texas will be starting their backup due to their starter being out, some Manning kid. Oops, nevermind!****
Who has sat the bench and was able to learn a system/
RockyDog
09-22-2024, 03:43 PM
Our backup QB, MVB, is his recruit, although a true freshman. Also Texas will be starting their backup due to their starter being out, some Manning kid. Oops, nevermind!****
What? That has absolutely nothing to do with what I said. The stupid OU fans and apparently you, who were bitching about Lebby last year had a top 10 offense. Yet they wanted him gone and were fine with kicking Gabriel to the curb.
That has NOTHING to do with backup QBs.
Van Buren as skinny as he is won?t be able to walk by the end of the season I?m sure. And no, we won?t get Manning. Ewers will be back next week. They aren?t letting him miss their SEC opener even if it is a gimme win
Cooterpoot
09-22-2024, 04:51 PM
Have you seen ours this year oh football wizard?
Have you seen our shit talent? Because it's literally shit.
Leroy Jenkins
09-22-2024, 04:56 PM
It's pretty simple, teams are playing 2 high because we can't run the ball good enough to make them switch up.
Lord McBuckethead
09-22-2024, 08:24 PM
Play calling looks bad when your offensive line couldn?t block Starkville High DL.
Goldendawg
09-22-2024, 09:06 PM
What? That has absolutely nothing to do with what I said. The stupid OU fans and apparently you, who were bitching about Lebby last year had a top 10 offense. Yet they wanted him gone and were fine with kicking Gabriel to the curb.
That has NOTHING to do with backup QBs.
Van Buren as skinny as he is won?t be able to walk by the end of the season I?m sure. And no, we won?t get Manning. Ewers will be back next week. They aren?t letting him miss their SEC opener even if it is a gimme win
So I'm stupid as a OK fan and was bitching about Lebby last year, huh? I haven't even kept up with Lebby except for knowing where he was OC before becoming our HC. Check out the ending of my return post to you. Being here since Jan 2023 & 1,031 posts later , do you still not know that **** means sarcasm and perhaps a little humor in this incompetent dumpster fire of a season?
Ridiculous topic. Jeff Lebby is one of the top play callers in college football. Look at Oklahoma's offense now that Seth Littrell, who many State fans wanted last year, calling the plays.
GoDawgz
09-23-2024, 04:44 PM
This fans base never ceases to disappoint.....good grief.
CaptainObvious
09-23-2024, 05:04 PM
This fans base never ceases to disappoint.....good grief.
I think you are on to something. Our football program sucks and our admin only knows how to hire coordinators and our coordinators turned HC only know how to hire "Friends" who have never been coordinators because our message board Fanbase, which makes up about 1% of our entire Fanbase, sucks! Does that about sum it up?
Cooterpoot
09-23-2024, 06:47 PM
I think you are on to something. Our football program sucks and our admin only knows how to hire coordinators and our coordinators turned HC only know how to hire "Friends" who have never been coordinators because our message board Fanbase, which makes up about 1% of our entire Fanbase, sucks! Does that about sum it up?
I keep hearing this but we were turned down a few times before it got to The Hutz. We were just dumb as a kicked rock for paying him like we did. Should've just gone an extra half mil and got an experienced guy.
TrapGame
09-23-2024, 09:27 PM
I keep hearing this but we were turned down a few times before it got to The Hutz. We were just dumb as a kicked rock for paying him like we did. Should've just gone an extra half mil and got an experienced guy.
So, we got cheap looking for a DC? Figures.
Cooterpoot
09-23-2024, 09:33 PM
So, we got cheap looking for a DC? Figures.
You think $1MMM per year for 3 years is cheap? I call it ignorant as hell.
The play calling is the least of the worries
Amen.
The overall talent and overall coaching are both not up to par.
You think $1MMM per year for 3 years is cheap? I call it ignorant as hell.
That?s cheap for an SEC coordinator.
You think $1MMM per year for 3 years is cheap? I call it ignorant as hell.
Have you seen our shit talent? Because it's literally shit.
It?s not good. It?s small AND slow. Not a good combo in P4.
RezDog7
09-23-2024, 10:56 PM
Maybe Lebby hires Venables as DC after he gets fired at OU this year.
Offshore Dawg
09-24-2024, 08:16 AM
This fans base never ceases to disappoint.....good grief.
This is so true ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
TrapGame
09-24-2024, 08:23 AM
You think $1MMM per year for 3 years is cheap? I call it ignorant as hell.
And we couldn't pull an experienced G5 DC for that?
DEDawg
09-24-2024, 09:06 AM
You think $1MMM per year for 3 years is cheap? I call it ignorant as hell.
Wow this was our budget? That?s embarrassing. If we want to be serious about football it needs to be 1.4-1.6 range to go get a really good G5 or lower P4 guy. Ole Miss is paying $2M for theirs
DEDawg
09-24-2024, 09:08 AM
Maybe Lebby hires Venables as DC after he gets fired at OU this year.
No way it happens but that would be pretty solid. Lebby and Venables essentially your OC and DC then Arnold as your QB. Go pay some people out of that $8M to fix the defense and let?s roll.
GoDawgz
09-24-2024, 09:39 AM
I think you are on to something. Our football program sucks and our admin only knows how to hire coordinators and our coordinators turned HC only know how to hire "Friends" who have never been coordinators because our message board Fanbase, which makes up about 1% of our entire Fanbase, sucks! Does that about sum it up?
Yep, sure, that's exactly what I meant. Thanks for the clarification.
Have a great day.
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