Prove me wrong

[civildawg]

Good coaches don't go 2-10 or 1-11 their first year no matter what situation they took over. This team won 5 games last year with the worst offense I've seen since Croom yet we are about to go winless in the SEC and got blown out against a MAC team at home. Lebby is a fraud just like I knew Moorhead was a fraud after 10 minutes into the UK game his first year

[RezDog7]

Good coaches don't go 2-10 or 1-11 their first year no matter what situation they took over. This team won 5 games last year with the worst offense I've seen since Croom yet we are about to go winless in the SEC and got blown out against a MAC team at home. Lebby is a fraud just like I knew Moorhead was a fraud after 10 minutes into the UK game his first year

MSU will never be relevant in football ever again.

[Really Clark?]

Good coaches don't go 2-10 or 1-11 their first year no matter what situation they took over. This team won 5 games last year with the worst offense I've seen since Croom yet we are about to go winless in the SEC and got blown out against a MAC team at home. Lebby is a fraud just like I knew Moorhead was a fraud after 10 minutes into the UK game his first year

Frank Beamer won 2 his first year at Virginia Tech and Bear won 1 game his first year at Texas A & M. Both had already been HC before those stops.

[msstate7]

Frank Beamer won 2 his first year at Virginia Tech and Bear won 1 game his first year at Texas A & M. Both had already been HC before those stops.

Pretty long time ago for each. Not even sure any examples are relevant bc the transfer age changed everything

[Bothrops]

MSU will never be relevant in football ever again.

In the BIG 12 you could probably drastically improve after that. In this league I can't see it now. Players arent around long enough to improve, and there's no team continuity. It's a losing formula, except for the blue bloods who can get all the top transfers.

[TrapGame]

Lebby's here for three years at the minimum. So you might want to get used to him being here. He ain't getting fired anytime soon.

[Bothrops]

Lebby's here for three years at the minimum. So you might want to get used to him being here. He ain't getting fired anytime soon.

And I agree with giving him 3 years, even if I know it won't work out.

[Coursesuper]

Lebby's here for three years at the minimum. So you might want to get used to him being here. He ain't getting fired anytime soon.

True, we cannot afford to move any sooner, this staff has to be given every opportunity to make it. We are a tough enough sale like it is. I know that most won’t like to hear that or even wrap their minds around it but this is a fact.

[NCDawg]

Lebby's here for three years at the minimum. So you might want to get used to him being here. He ain't getting fired anytime soon.

You're probably right, but we should have hired someone like Petrino (imo) who knows how to coach.

[Really Clark?]

Pretty long time ago for each. Not even sure any examples are relevant bc the transfer age changed everything

There are Hall of Fame coaches from a sooner time. Barry Alvarez, Lou Holtz at USC Zero wins, Mack Brown his first 2 years at UNC, Bill Synder at KState. Many others in history. I don't recall any qualifications added to the original post about time period or anything.

[TrapGame]

You're probably right, but we should have hired someone like Petrino (imo) who knows how to coach.

Petrino was always going back to Arkansas. He had no desire to come here. Now, Barry Odom, like him or not, was campaigning hard for the job.

[State82]

Lebby's here for three years at the minimum. So you might want to get used to him being here. He ain't getting fired anytime soon.

Of course he is and if anyone thinks he won't be they are clueless as to how this business works. And you are right, three is the very bare minimum. He will have to match this year's woeful incompetence for the next two seasons to get shown the door in three years. But I don't care one way or the other anymore.

[parabrave]

Not with the talent on this team. Lebby gets 3 years to develop a roster to meet his offense. And we have to develop because we cannot get into bidding wars with the bigger boys so we need to take care of our own and its going to take time. Now the defense will be a different matter and you have to home grow them boys. Castoffs from a MAC school will not do here. Everybody talks about Kiffen but he found magic in Dart and has had him there for3 years as well as the Oline. And Dart is that entire team. He is their Dak and Nicky Fitz rolled into one.

[msstate7]

There are Hall of Fame coaches from a sooner time. Barry Alvarez, Lou Holtz at USC Zero wins, Mack Brown his first 2 years at UNC, Bill Synder at KState. Many others in history. I don't recall any qualifications added to the original post about time period or anything.

There weren't any qualifications by OP. I'm just saying no example really means anything to me bc now it's a free for all every offseason.

[Ranchdawg]

Selmon hired his buddy that had never been a head coach but the media said that Lebby was a “up and coming offense genius”! Have I not heard that about another one of our head coaches that did not work out?

[parabrave]

Selmon hired his buddy that had never been a head coach but the media said that Lebby was a “up and coming offense genius”! Have I not heard that about another one of our head coaches that did not work out?

And i wish we had tried getting Sark instead of Leach.

[AROB44]

Selmon hired his buddy that had never been a head coach but the media said that Lebby was a ?up and coming offense genius?! Have I not heard that about another one of our head coaches that did not work out?

Who would that be?

[Apoplectic]

True, we cannot afford to move any sooner, this staff has to be given every opportunity to make it. We are a tough enough sale like it is. I know that most won’t like to hear that or even wrap their minds around it but this is a fact.

can we afford to average 30k for home games for the next 3 years

[RockyDog]

can we afford to average 30k for home games for the next 3 years

Outside of hiring Nick Satan, who are we gonna bring in that’s gonna fill the stands at this point? They are all full of the same rah rah hot air on the media tour.

[SilentSteel16]

Regardless who hired him, you can’t fire a guy after year one AFTER you fired a guy after year one…. Lebby will grow into a HC, unfortunately we are his growing pains… You will never bring in a for real candidate for a coach if they know that is our coaching history. Suck it up and let the young guys play for their own marketing for next year and beyond.

[Coursesuper]

[QUOTE=Apoplectic;1617850]can we afford to average 30k for home games for the next 3 years[/

This year is going to suck hard, we know that. So support the program or not, it’s up to you. We are all in the same boat like it or not and this staff didn’t make this mess. They are the ones trying to un17 it and it’s a tough row to hoe.

[Dawgology]

I moved on to watching NFL last year. If I want to watch a bunch of guys getting bank to play football I’m going to watch the better product.

[civildawg]

What really sucks to me is waiting all year for college football to be here and the past 2 years we aren't even competitive. We haven't played any big stakes games or had an exciting team in years. It's just very frustrating year after year being irrelevant. There is no excitement for games and hasn't been in a long time. After awhile, that takes a toll on fans. Just look how long it took to drag our basketball program from the abyss.

[Todd4State]

There are Hall of Fame coaches from a sooner time. Barry Alvarez, Lou Holtz at USC Zero wins, Mack Brown his first 2 years at UNC, Bill Synder at KState. Many others in history. I don't recall any qualifications added to the original post about time period or anything.

Mark Stoops went 2-10 in year one at Kentucky.

[Todd4State]

True, we cannot afford to move any sooner, this staff has to be given every opportunity to make it. We are a tough enough sale like it is. I know that most won’t like to hear that or even wrap their minds around it but this is a fact.

One way or the other it's going to come down to his recruiting. The question is by year three is Lebby Rockey Felker or is he Bob Tyler?

I don't know. Just coming back from the game and having watched us I think the offense is better but still left some points on the board.

The defense looked the same as it has all year long.

Special teams for the most part has been good outside of a few instances.

On the surface it appears to me that if we improve our defense with some slightly better talent and maybe a new DC while improving the offense talent and continuing on the path we are there we could turn this around fairly quickly.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Agree

[PGHBulldogBG]

Fisch went 1-11 at Arizona his first year then by year 3 he was winning a NY6 bowl. Got to give Lebby time

[Coursesuper]

One way or the other it's going to come down to his recruiting. The question is by year three is Lebby Rockey Felker or is he Bob Tyler?

I don't know. Just coming back from the game and having watched us I think the offense is better but still left some points on the board.

The defense looked the same as it has all year long.

Special teams for the most part has been good outside of a few instances.

On the surface it appears to me that if we improve our defense with some slightly better talent and maybe a new DC while improving the offense talent and continuing on the path we are there we could turn this around fairly quickly.

I see an offense that has about 50% of the players needed to even compete in our league, and 10% needed on defense. This wasn’t run into the ground overnight and won’t get fixed quick either.

[msstate7]

Fisch went 1-11 at Arizona his first year then by year 3 he was winning a NY6 bowl. Got to give Lebby time

This is the best example bc it's during this period of CFB

[msudawg1200]

Not taking up for Lebby or anything, but Matt Rhule went 1-11 in his first year at Baylor, 7-6 the next, and then 11 wins, a Big 12 CG appearance, and the Sugar Bowl in year three.

[chef dixon]

I mean I see signs with the offense. We looked good today. Situationally need to be better

Defense we just need better dudes and prob a new DC

[msudawg1200]

Fisch went 1-11 at Arizona his first year then by year 3 he was winning a NY6 bowl. Got to give Lebby time

He won the Alamo Bowl which is not a NY6 Bowl, but I get what you're saying

[TrapGame]

I mean I see signs with the offense. We looked good today. Situationally need to be better

Defense we just need better dudes and prob a new DC

We have pieces of the whole. This is one of the reasons Toledo took our lunch money. Candle is a damn good coach and has been at Toledo for seven years. He has built a program while Lebby is dealing with leftovers and a hand me down team in his first year. I'd bet a Christmas goose Hutzler won't be here next year. If we are still this bad in year three after portal players, HS recruiting and new asst. coaches Lebby and Selmon should be run off.

[Matt3467]

Regardless who hired him, you can?t fire a guy after year one AFTER you fired a guy after year one?. Lebby will grow into a HC, unfortunately we are his growing pains? You will never bring in a for real candidate for a coach if they know that is our coaching history. Suck it up and let the young guys play for their own marketing for next year and beyond.

And that unfortunately leads back to Keenum making a stupid decision.