Is it time to fire Zach Selmon?

[gtowndawg]

We are approaching the 2 year mark of our AD. How long before an AD can be accurately evaluated? I'm honestly not sure.

1. He was brought in because he had fundraising experience. Has our fundraising improved at all? I've not heard of anything nor have I seen any evidence.
2. The most important thing in college sports is NIL and ours is average (at best).
3. Football, the sport he played, is an unmitigated disaster under his watch, there's no arguing that.
4. Baseball is a mess, although admittingly I don't pay much attention to that.
5. Basketball looks to be on very solid footing, so kudus there.
6. Maybe some of the other sports have improved slightly? I'm honestly not sure.

I'm open to arguments, but what I saw (in person) Saturday night was such a mess I feel like leadership should be questioned. From the big bell falling over, to low energy, bored fans leaving at halftime, to players that don't seem to care at all. The whole thing was just embarrassing.

[BuckyIsAB****]

I think it?s time for him and keenum. Not doing anything about lemonis and hiring his boy is not a good look. This whole deal in football is on Keenum. Leach dying is not but everything after is

[TrapGame]

I'll ride and die with Lebby b/c that's hand we were dealt and we need some stability in the football program.

However, if it is true that two or three top tier G5 head coaches interviewed, very interested in the job and yet none of them were even offered the position, then yeah, heads need to roll all over the administration.

[Todd4State]

Baseball is Ok right now. It's not where we want it to be but I wouldn't say it's a mess. Now yes Lemonis needs to do well this season but he's not on the hot seat.

And our fans need to stop complaining about baseball not being where they want it to be while they also want to stop sending money to it. That goes both ways.

[Rawdawg]

Selmon needs to lead a dissection of everything we do football. And I mean everything. Put a team of people together who currently do not work here, to analyze and evaluate everything football related. From recruiting to fan experience to equipment to logos. Everything. Grass on the field, parking, garbage collection, buckling our chinstraps, everything needs to be analyzed and start making improvements on the little things. Little noticeable improvements will help keep from losing the fans. It?s time to move into the modern era of SEC football.

[Brobi-wan]

I don’t think it’s time to fire Selmon yet. Him and Lebby have been given a shit situation and then told to fix it….while neither of them had prior experience fixing something like this. Can’t blame them for that. They didn’t create it. Keenum should be gone. He will be after his triplets graduate.

[gtowndawg]

I'll ride and die with Lebby b/c that's hand we were dealt and we need some stability in the football program.

However, if it is true that two or three top tier G5 head coaches interviewed, very interested in the job and yet none of them were even offered the position, then yeah, heads need to roll all over the administration.

Lebby can't be touched right now, there's just no way. But the person who made the decison which lead to this disaster, from the assistants hired to the portal talent evaluation to NIL funds to get decent players is clearly worth looking at.

[Coursesuper]

The rot is much deeper, the administration prior to the current one has to carry the majority of the blame here.

[TrapGame]

Lebby can't be touched right now, there's just no way. But the person who made the decison which lead to this disaster, from the assistants hired to the portal talent evaluation to NIL funds to get decent players is clearly worth looking at.

And if the rug is pulled out from under Lebby like that he'll probably leave us to be an OC again. I want to know exactly how ****ed this coaching search really was. Did not one sitting head coach in D1 not want our job? Barry Odom was begging for our job and as far as I know he didn't even get an interview. He's 3-0 at UNLV right now. His team looks well coached and tough. He beat Kansas. The same Kansas that murdered UNLV in the bowl game last year.

[gtowndawg]

The rot is much deeper, the administration prior to the current one has to carry the majority of the blame here.

When you say administration, you mean the Cohon admin correct? Just making sure I understand. If so, several have alluded to that but does the rot in the Cohen admin have responsibility for what we saw Saturday? It's an honest question.

Or is Keenum really the problem? I thought him being on the playoff committee was a benefit to us, but has it been (or will we be looked on favoribly in the future with that connection)? As I said earlier, I'm open too any argument at this point.

[gtowndawg]

And if the rug is pulled out from under Lebby like that he'll probably leave us to be an OC again. I want to know exactly how ****ed this coaching search really was. Did not one sitting head coach in D1 not want our job? Barry Odom was begging for our job and as far as I know he didn't even get an interview. He's 3-0 at UNLV right now. His team looks well coached and tough. He beat Kansas. The same Kansas that murdered UNLV in the bowl game last year.

I will say this, I absoutely thought Jamie Chadwell was going to be our coach. If you guys recall a poster named Farmdog said it was happening. I personally know Farmdog and I know he knows Chadwells agent. I also have family connections with Chadwell's agent. I thought he was our guy too but something fell apart. It could have been on our side or his side, I honestly don't know. Either way, doesn't matter now, we have to play the ball where it lies and worry about corrections moving forward. I'm not totally giving up on Lebby but Saturday looked to me like someone that doesn't know what to do.

[Coursesuper]

When you say administration, you mean the Cohon admin correct? Just making sure I understand. If so, several have alluded to that but does the rot in the Cohen admin have responsibility for what we saw Saturday? It's an honest question.

Or is Keenum really the problem? I thought him being on the playoff committee was a benefit to us, but has it been (or will we be looked on favoribly in the future with that connection)? As I said earlier, I'm open too any argument at this point.

YES, the Cohen admin. He will, as we are beginning to see, be seen as the worst AD since Dudy Noble. He was forced upon the university by donors with the help of SS. So if you are really looking to place blame point the gun at our own. In the tradition of shooting ourselves in foot we missed and shot ourselves right in the ass with that one.

[MStateDawg]

4. Baseball is a mess

They won 40 games, finished in the Top 25 and brought in a strong portal class.
Some of yall have the most ridiculous takes about our baseball program.

[TrapGame]

I will say this, I absoutely thought Jamie Chadwell was going to be our coach. If you guys recall a poster named Farmdog said it was happening. I personally know Farmdog and I know he knows Chadwells agent. I also have family connections with Chadwell's agent. I thought he was our guy too but something fell apart. It could have been on our side or his side, I honestly don't know. Either way, doesn't matter now, we have to play the ball where it lies and worry about corrections moving forward. I'm not totally giving up on Lebby but Saturday looked to me like someone that doesn't know what to do.

Lebby has to clean house in December. DC is number one and OL coach number two. He busted on those hires. If he keeps everyone and thinks next year will be different we'll know for sure he ain't it.

[Coursesuper]

I will say this, I absoutely thought Jamie Chadwell was going to be our coach. If you guys recall a poster named Farmdog said it was happening. I personally know Farmdog and I know he knows Chadwells agent. I also have family connections with Chadwell's agent. I thought he was our guy too but something fell apart. It could have been on our side or his side, I honestly don't know. Either way, doesn't matter now, we have to play the ball where it lies and worry about corrections moving forward. I'm not totally giving up on Lebby but Saturday looked to me like someone that doesn't know what to do.

I would love to know what really happened in that search. You still have to think that it wasn't an easy sale. Fired a guy at the end of his second season, brought in the true Air Raid an those personnel, so making that transition would be a challenge. And fired the next guy before his first season was over.

[Santiago]

And if the rug is pulled out from under Lebby like that he'll probably leave us to be an OC again. I want to know exactly how ****ed this coaching search really was. Did not one sitting head coach in D1 not want our job? Barry Odom was begging for our job and as far as I know he didn't even get an interview. He's 3-0 at UNLV right now. His team looks well coached and tough. He beat Kansas. The same Kansas that murdered UNLV in the bowl game last year.

That reminds me last year, Bo Bounds was saying something along the lines that he thought we should look at Odom, and a couple other good coaches and he had reservations about Lebby with lack of HC experience.
Not that I listen to the show that much, but man looking back he was right on that one.

[gtowndawg]

They won 40 games, finished in the Top 25 and brought in a strong portal class.
Some of yall have the most ridiculous takes about our baseball program.

As I said, I don't follow baseball but reading the boards over the last two years people seem pretty upset. I'm fine with top 25 in baseball. Now that probably puts you as average in the SEC but again, for baseball, it's fine as far as I'm concerened. If everyone is good with that, than that's a plus for Selmon. So maybe it really is just football.

[TrapGame]

That reminds me last year, Bo Bounds was saying something along the lines that he thought we should look at Odom, and a couple other good coaches and he had reservations about Lebby with lack of HC experience.
Not that I listen to the show that much, but man looking back he was right on that one.

Bo is one of the ones saying Odom was begging for the job. He wanted to be a HC in the SEC again. Bo says we never interviewed him or even returned a call to his agent. If that's true it's a travesty. Odom is a good coach. Of course he's not elite but who the **** is these days. I think some of our boosters are too hung up on finding a Kiffin.

[civildawg]

I was one who turned my nose up at Odom but he has proved me wrong at UNLV. Sometimes people learn and get better and it seems like he has

[Todd4State]

Selmon needs to lead a dissection of everything we do football. And I mean everything. Put a team of people together who currently do not work here, to analyze and evaluate everything football related. From recruiting to fan experience to equipment to logos. Everything. Grass on the field, parking, garbage collection, buckling our chinstraps, everything needs to be analyzed and start making improvements on the little things. Little noticeable improvements will help keep from losing the fans. It?s time to move into the modern era of SEC football.

This is exactly what needs to happen. Our people have zero clue. It's insane. I just hope our people aren't like "we can't go back to the interlocking MSU because we just started with the script State."

I've never seen an organization that treats their fans like trash as much as MSU football does. On so many different levels.

[Todd4State]

I was one who turned my nose up at Odom but he has proved me wrong at UNLV. Sometimes people learn and get better and it seems like he has

But the question is with Odom how much better would we really be? Yes the defense would be better but if the offense is worse then it's probably a zero sum gain.

Plus Odom is the kind of guy that if Lebby doesn't work we can probably get him in three years if we wanted to.

[TrapGame]

But the question is with Odom how much better would we really be? Yes the defense would be better but if the offense is worse then it's probably a zero sum gain.

Plus Odom is the kind of guy that if Lebby doesn't work we can probably get him in three years if we wanted to.

Maybe. But, Odom is an experienced head coach. That counts for a lot right now. His offense at UNLV seems to be doing okay.

[Cooterpoot]

I find it odd some are calling to fire Selmon. John Cohen and Mike Leach and Zach Arnett created this problem, with massive help from the top guy and boosters. The resources were withheld and the recruiting was nonexistent. The money was thrown at a club sport at the expense of our paycheck producing sport. Bunch of dumbasses at State that still need to be purged too. A couple have seen the light though.

[Goldendawg]

I think it?s time for him and keenum. Not doing anything about lemonis and hiring his boy is not a good look. This whole deal in football is on Keenum. Leach dying is not but everything after is

A world class Engineering Dept (?) and we have this giant Cowbell on wheels?. Not just a wonder no one was hurt and an embarrassment to open the game. Last year one of the awnings in the Kid Zone was blown over by the wind and my fellow season ticket holder's granddaughter was hit in the head & the family went by ambulance to OCH and spent most of the game in the ER. (MSU did pay medical bills & offered perks to a future game). Lot 28 was closed due to the rain and we were advised to park in one of 3 lots adjacent to the Hump. There were about 10 staff at the intersection at College View and we were virtually on our own to find any of the other approved lots except for one game day staffer beyond that point who gave very generic, unhelpful directions. We finally removed an unmanned barricade and parked with the RV's. Music was so loud 1 1/2 before the game that a conversation on the walk from the Hump to DWS was impossible. Didn't like the DJ Halftime music either (Get Off My Lawn!) Add in a team with no talent who get paid for an embarrassing "performance" and another "On the Job" training FB staff and we are below vandy in incompetence. Hell STATE****

[Coach34]

And if the rug is pulled out from under Lebby like that he'll probably leave us to be an OC again. I want to know exactly how ****ed this coaching search really was. Did not one sitting head coach in D1 not want our job? Barry Odom was begging for our job and as far as I know he didn't even get an interview. He's 3-0 at UNLV right now. His team looks well coached and tough. He beat Kansas. The same Kansas that murdered UNLV in the bowl game last year.

Lebby was the choice by Selmon from the jump. We didnt consider anybody else. Any other interviews were for show

[TrapGame]

Lebby was the choice by Selmon from the jump. We didnt consider anybody else. Any other interviews were for show

That's what I figured. There's no reason we couldn't have hired a top tier G5 coach. He may have only been here four or five years tops but he would have built something we could pass on.

[Cooterpoot]

That's what I figured. There's no reason we couldn't have hired a top tier G5 coach. He may have only been here four or five years tops but he would have built something we could pass on.

Wouldn't matter with the problems we have/had. There was no great option at the G5 level. A retread and a couple guys with the same current record as Lebby? I'll pass.
Lebby isn't going anywhere for at least three more years, so sit back and support the rebuild because it's going to take a minute.

[Goldendawg]

Lebby has to clean house in December. DC is number one and OL coach number two. He busted on those hires. If he keeps everyone and thinks next year will be different we'll know for sure he ain't it.

Everyone on our FB staff is an unknown , failure at a previous stop ( see OL coach run off from Ark), new to his position (HC and DC) , needs to retire (DL coach) and even an on the job training AD. What could possibly go wrong this year?*** We learned nothing from last year in putting together this staff and team.

[Matt3467]

We've had head scratching coaching searches the past several years. I seem to recall one year we could've had Kyle Whittingham. I can't remember what year that was but you've gotta really wonder if the people pulling strings in the hiring dept really care about winning.

[Cooterpoot]

We've had head scratching coaching searches the past several years. I seem to recall one year we could've had Kyle Whittingham. I can't remember what year that was but you've gotta really wonder if the people pulling strings in the hiring dept really care about winning.

That was fake news

[LC Dawg]

A world class Engineering Dept (?) and we have this giant Cowbell on wheels?. Not just a wonder no one was hurt and an embarrassment to open the game. Last year one of the awnings in the Kid Zone was blown over by the wind and my fellow season ticket holder's granddaughter was hit in the head & the family went by ambulance to OCH and spent most of the game in the ER. (MSU did pay medical bills & offered perks to a future game). Lot 28 was closed due to the rain and we were advised to park in one of 3 lots adjacent to the Hump. There were about 10 staff at the intersection at College View and we were virtually on our own to find any of the other approved lots except for one game day staffer beyond that point who gave very generic, unhelpful directions. We finally removed an unmanned barricade and parked with the RV's. Music was so loud 1 1/2 before the game that a conversation on the walk from the Hump to DWS was impossible. Didn't like the DJ Halftime music either (Get Off My Lawn!) Add in a team with no talent who get paid for an embarrassing "performance" and another "On the Job" training FB staff and we are below vandy in incompetence. Hell STATE****

The cowbell debacle is a huge embarrassment. That shows a complete lack of planning. Having a former NFL lineman rocking something back and forth without anything to prevent it from falling over is beyond stupid.

[Goldendawg]

The cowbell debacle is a huge embarrassment. That shows a complete lack of planning. Having a former NFL lineman rocking something back and forth without anything to prevent it from falling over is beyond stupid.

Just completed my online game day experience survey & it was about a 1.5 out of 5 and that didn't include the 0.00 rating for the below Vandy product on the field, poor coaching and lack of SEC level talent! We don't seem to be sweating many details from the top down at this point. Where is Charles Shira when we need him?***

[gtowndawg]

I find it odd some are calling to fire Selmon. John Cohen and Mike Leach and Zach Arnett created this problem, with massive help from the top guy and boosters. The resources were withheld and the recruiting was nonexistent. The money was thrown at a club sport at the expense of our paycheck producing sport. Bunch of dumbasses at State that still need to be purged too. A couple have seen the light though.

I think Cohen deserves some blame for a lot of issues. To be clear, I'm glad he is gone. BUT what I saw Saturday night had nothing to do with Cohen. A Head coach that seemed lost and confused. Assistant coaches that he hired that clearly can't coach or don't care and a 90% miss rate on the players we evaluated in the portal.

Now, if we are giving more resources to football now that Selmon is here that's fantastic. But as stated in the original post what is the evidence for that? I honestly have no idea.

[Wink&aPrayer]

And if the rug is pulled out from under Lebby like that he'll probably leave us to be an OC again. I want to know exactly how ****ed this coaching search really was. Did not one sitting head coach in D1 not want our job? Barry Odom was begging for our job and as far as I know he didn't even get an interview. He's 3-0 at UNLV right now. His team looks well coached and tough. He beat Kansas. The same Kansas that murdered UNLV in the bowl game last year.

I wish more of our fans would start asking tough questions. My response: we have taken the lazy way out since Dan left. Always making the easy decision and not wanting to spend time and $ on finding the best coach.

[Cooterpoot]

I think Cohen deserves some blame for a lot of issues. To be clear, I'm glad he is gone. BUT what I saw Saturday night had nothing to do with Cohen. A Head coach that seemed lost and confused. Assistant coaches that he hired that clearly can't coach or don't care and a 90% miss rate on the players we evaluated in the portal.

Now, if we are giving more resources to football now that Selmon is here that's fantastic. But as stated in the original post what is the evidence for that? I honestly have no idea.

I saw a coach without players on either side outside of WR and maybe QB & Isaac Smith. I think he screwed the pooch with his defensive staff but the biggest problem there might be the guy State people pushed on him. He's got to find a DC and better staff.
That OL is pitiful. Bunch of weak G5 guys. Also think it takes time to get your system in place and said before the season I just hoped it would click by mid year. We all thought the OL would be solid and we were wrong. RB position is like three blind mice too and I'm not even getting into defense because we said before the season is was a dumpster fire. Hard to blame Lebby 3 games in. He's go to get the players and then we'll see.

[basedog]

First off, things can change after this year such as recruiting and portal players. Lebby probably has made mistakes with coaches and players. Good Coaches learn quickly with mistakes. Way too early to know how things will or will not get straighten out.
We all knew or thought this wasn't gonna be a good year, in saying that I'm pretty sure it's worse than we thought.
Also no way do I think we get kicked out of the Sec. we have shown we can be ok and competitive.

[Cooterpoot]

A world class Engineering Dept (?) and we have this giant Cowbell on wheels?. Not just a wonder no one was hurt and an embarrassment to open the game. Last year one of the awnings in the Kid Zone was blown over by the wind and my fellow season ticket holder's granddaughter was hit in the head & the family went by ambulance to OCH and spent most of the game in the ER. (MSU did pay medical bills & offered perks to a future game). Lot 28 was closed due to the rain and we were advised to park in one of 3 lots adjacent to the Hump. There were about 10 staff at the intersection at College View and we were virtually on our own to find any of the other approved lots except for one game day staffer beyond that point who gave very generic, unhelpful directions. We finally removed an unmanned barricade and parked with the RV's. Music was so loud 1 1/2 before the game that a conversation on the walk from the Hump to DWS was impossible. Didn't like the DJ Halftime music either (Get Off My Lawn!) Add in a team with no talent who get paid for an embarrassing "performance" and another "On the Job" training FB staff and we are below vandy in incompetence. Hell STATE****

The DJ was a fill in for THE DJ, I know, I shock my head too

[gtowndawg]

First off, things can change after this year such as recruiting and portal players. Lebby probably has made mistakes with coaches and players. Good Coaches learn quickly with mistakes. Way too early to know how things will or will not get straighten out.
We all knew or thought this wasn't gonna be a good year, in saying that I'm pretty sure it's worse than we thought.
Also no way do I think we get kicked out of the Sec. we have shown we can be ok and competitive.

Yeah, I thought we would be bad. I didn't think it would be this bad..like BAD, BAD.

[TrapGame]

Yeah, I thought we would be bad. I didn't think it would be this bad..like BAD, BAD.

Yeah, I thought maybe 6-6 if we were lucky but probably 5-7 because of the defense. Man, we are horrible. This is Jackie's last year bad.

[StarkVegasSteve]

So to answer the original question: No. It's not even close to time to have the discussion of do you need to fire Selmon. He has done incredible with what he was provided, which was a bloated athletic dept with a bunch of lifelong staffers just collecting a check. He took a year to observe the dept and then started handing out pink slips and bringing in his people. That's what has happened with the hires of Joe Bailey, Tom Greene, Josh McCowan, and Terry Prentice. He has brought in more people but those were the main ones. I don't think some of y'all realize how bad it was under Cohen. Selmon has had to completely rebuild that dept basically from the ground up. I think he kept like one main person, Bo Hemphill, and he has really kept him on the outside.

Now on to his handling of coaches, we interviewed more than just Lebby. I know that for a fact. The Chadwell stuff was overblown because he was never coming here with that buyout. Odom did want the job, but I know there was hesitation of how much of his UNLV success was Barry and how much of it was the OC Brendan Marrion. The thought was that UNLV would just promote Marrion to HC and then we would be left with Barry trying to find an OC, which was a 50/50 shot. On Kinne, he lobbied hard for the job but he had been a FBS HC for one year and zero years outside the state of Texas. A lot of people believe when McGuire is let go at TTU or Arranda at Baylor that Kinne would crawl on broken glass to have a P4 Texas HC job. Same as Jeff Traylor. Lebby wanted the job, presented a comprehensive plan for how he woud BUILD AND MAINTAIN us, what he learned from Kiffin, etc. We bought the plan.

On facilities, I mean he's trying to get us up to snuff on that. Unfortunately when all your funds were put towards baseball and the sports that don't turn a profit , it's a bit difficult to get some of that back. So we've had to push MUCH NEEDED projects. Selmon is still pissed about The Hump "renovation" Cohen greenlit. The House Settlement has also thrown a wrench into things because if the Universities have to start funding NIL that is 15-20 mil PER YEAR MINIMUM that will need to go towards that.

Bottom Line: Is Selmon perfect? No and he'd tell you that. But I can promise you he is working his ass off to get us going again. Hell his work with Charlie and the NIL stuff is incredible. He's really helped build that up.

[Santiago]

I saw a coach without players on either side outside of WR and maybe QB & Isaac Smith. I think he screwed the pooch with his defensive staff but the biggest problem there might be the guy State people pushed on him. He's got to find a DC and better staff.
That OL is pitiful. Bunch of weak G5 guys. Also think it takes time to get your system in place and said before the season I just hoped it would click by mid year. We all thought the OL would be solid and we were wrong. RB position is like three blind mice too and I'm not even getting into defense because we said before the season is was a dumpster fire. Hard to blame Lebby 3 games in. He's go to get the players and then we'll see.

gree with you.
I just have to add, IMO, It wasn't talent issue Saturday night, it was Jason Candle coaching circles around us, and having a Toledo team that was mentally tougher and have a culture in place. Our coaching staff are about to get turned every which way when going against elite coaches this season.

[Santiago]

So to answer the original question: No. It's not even close to time to have the discussion of do you need to fire Selmon. He has done incredible with what he was provided, which was a bloated athletic dept with a bunch of lifelong staffers just collecting a check. He took a year to observe the dept and then started handing out pink slips and bringing in his people. That's what has happened with the hires of Joe Bailey, Tom Greene, Josh McCowan, and Terry Prentice. He has brought in more people but those were the main ones. I don't think some of y'all realize how bad it was under Cohen. Selmon has had to completely rebuild that dept basically from the ground up. I think he kept like one main person, Bo Hemphill, and he has really kept him on the outside.

Now on to his handling of coaches, we interviewed more than just Lebby. I know that for a fact. The Chadwell stuff was overblown because he was never coming here with that buyout. Odom did want the job, but I know there was hesitation of how much of his UNLV success was Barry and how much of it was the OC Brendan Marrion. The thought was that UNLV would just promote Marrion to HC and then we would be left with Barry trying to find an OC, which was a 50/50 shot. On Kinne, he lobbied hard for the job but he had been a FBS HC for one year and zero years outside the state of Texas. A lot of people believe when McGuire is let go at TTU or Arranda at Baylor that Kinne would crawl on broken glass to have a P4 Texas HC job. Same as Jeff Traylor. Lebby wanted the job, presented a comprehensive plan for how he woud BUILD AND MAINTAIN us, what he learned from Kiffin, etc. We bought the plan.

On facilities, I mean he's trying to get us up to snuff on that. Unfortunately when all your funds were put towards baseball and the sports that don't turn a profit , it's a bit difficult to get some of that back. So we've had to push MUCH NEEDED projects. Selmon is still pissed about The Hump "renovation" Cohen greenlit. The House Settlement has also thrown a wrench into things because if the Universities have to start funding NIL that is 15-20 mil PER YEAR MINIMUM that will need to go towards that.

Bottom Line: Is Selmon perfect? No and he'd tell you that. But I can promise you he is working his ass off to get us going again. Hell his work with Charlie and the NIL stuff is incredible. He's really helped build that up.

Selmon though, is trying to get out of here, right? He is changing things, but he knows to get on with his career too.

[Cooterpoot]

gree with you.
I just have to add, IMO, It wasn't talent issue Saturday night, it was Jason Candle coaching circles around us, and having a Toledo team that was mentally tougher and have a culture in place. Our coaching staff are about to get turned every which way when going against elite coaches this season.

I think the OL is creating our offensive problems more than anything. You can't run your offense if nobody can block it. Shapen was getting killed because our C was getting shoved up is butt all night and LT is awful. We've tried to mix and match that OL to work but so far, no luck. There's no running game at all and that's a huge part of this offense. The defense is a lost hope.
I honestly believe we've got the worst overall talent on defense I've ever seen.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Selmon though, is trying to get out of here, right? He is changing things, but he knows to get on with his career too.

He's not going to leave us except for ONE JOB. The OU job and they may be thinking bigger than Selmon when Castiglione first retires. And look, Selmon knows this is a long term job interview for him. He knows if he doesn't handle our AD well then OU will never come calling. He's way more motivated than people have apparently made their own conclusions to. Also, for an AD, Castiglione is pretty young. I mean he's only 66. He's probably got AT LEAST 6-7 more years of doing it.

[RockyDog]

This is exactly what needs to happen. Our people have zero clue. It's insane. I just hope our people aren't like "we can't go back to the interlocking MSU because we just started with the script State."

I've never seen an organization that treats their fans like trash as much as MSU football does. On so many different levels.

It goes both ways. A lot of MSU fans are trash. At least the message board mouth breathers. Take this thread as example #1. Blaming Selmon for our current situation and saying the baseball program is trash are laughable.

[Ranchdawg]

So to answer the original question: No. It's not even close to time to have the discussion of do you need to fire Selmon. He has done incredible with what he was provided, which was a bloated athletic dept with a bunch of lifelong staffers just collecting a check. He took a year to observe the dept and then started handing out pink slips and bringing in his people. That's what has happened with the hires of Joe Bailey, Tom Greene, Josh McCowan, and Terry Prentice. He has brought in more people but those were the main ones. I don't think some of y'all realize how bad it was under Cohen. Selmon has had to completely rebuild that dept basically from the ground up. I think he kept like one main person, Bo Hemphill, and he has really kept him on the outside.

Now on to his handling of coaches, we interviewed more than just Lebby. I know that for a fact. The Chadwell stuff was overblown because he was never coming here with that buyout. Odom did want the job, but I know there was hesitation of how much of his UNLV success was Barry and how much of it was the OC Brendan Marrion. The thought was that UNLV would just promote Marrion to HC and then we would be left with Barry trying to find an OC, which was a 50/50 shot. On Kinne, he lobbied hard for the job but he had been a FBS HC for one year and zero years outside the state of Texas. A lot of people believe when McGuire is let go at TTU or Arranda at Baylor that Kinne would crawl on broken glass to have a P4 Texas HC job. Same as Jeff Traylor. Lebby wanted the job, presented a comprehensive plan for how he woud BUILD AND MAINTAIN us, what he learned from Kiffin, etc. We bought the plan.

On facilities, I mean he's trying to get us up to snuff on that. Unfortunately when all your funds were put towards baseball and the sports that don't turn a profit , it's a bit difficult to get some of that back. So we've had to push MUCH NEEDED projects. Selmon is still pissed about The Hump "renovation" Cohen greenlit. The House Settlement has also thrown a wrench into things because if the Universities have to start funding NIL that is 15-20 mil PER YEAR MINIMUM that will need to go towards that.

Bottom Line: Is Selmon perfect? No and he'd tell you that. But I can promise you he is working his ass off to get us going again. Hell his work with Charlie and the NIL stuff is incredible. He's really helped build that up.

I am in no way advocating the firing of Selmon. I do not know what he has done or not done. I am not in the inner circle of MSU athletic department, I am not one of the cigar boys, I am simply just a proud alum and very low tier Bulldog club member and football season ticket holder for many years and my type fan are VASTLY in the majority of the MSU fan base. One of my major gripes with Selmon and Lebby is that they are no where to tell us fans what their visions are. No radio interviews or very few here in central Ms and an another fan said anything MSU on the Ms coast is nonexistent. They not only have to do hard work inside athletic dept. but also have to reach out to the fan base and extoll to everyone by whatever means that what their vision is and will be. They HAVE to give the fan base hope and belief that this this current crap show will not be tolerated and will be fixed. If they dont get off their asses and rally the fan base then we are going to lose a lot of people. Me being one!

[MoreCowbell]

I will say this, I absoutely thought Jamie Chadwell was going to be our coach. If you guys recall a poster named Farmdog said it was happening. I personally know Farmdog and I know he knows Chadwells agent. I also have family connections with Chadwell's agent. I thought he was our guy too but something fell apart. It could have been on our side or his side, I honestly don't know. Either way, doesn't matter now, we have to play the ball where it lies and worry about corrections moving forward. I'm not totally giving up on Lebby but Saturday looked to me like someone that doesn't know what to do.

He was not coming here.

[MoreCowbell]

We are a bottom 10 job in the power 4. Any up and coming sitting head coach having real success is not coming here unless they have skeletons in the closet or have been turned down/looked over for other jobs, just reality. We have a history of sucking and it is very likely that if you come here and cannot win, which is most likely, your head coaching career at a major college football program is over.

Lebby had been looked over for years as an OC so he finally got his shot and took it. Chadwell was as absolute pipe dream.

[FISHDAWG]

That reminds me last year, Bo Bounds was saying something along the lines that he thought we should look at Odom, and a couple other good coaches and he had reservations about Lebby with lack of HC experience.
Not that I listen to the show that much, but man looking back he was right on that one.

You mean the DC that allowed Mike Leach to torch him ? I'll pass.... for all the disgruntlement here understand that this is going to take some time ... just firing everyone isn't the answer

[EdwardDrayton]

Fire Bully the mascot. And Bully the dog. Fire the groundskeeper. Jesus. Zac should be the last person standing on a scorched earth campus.

[Extendedcab]

Fire them all, coaches, players, administration, faculty, students and fans. Then we can import coaches, players, administration, faculty, students and fans from the school of our choice! Or maybe we can mix and match, take coaches from school A, players from school B and on and on! **

[Cooterpoot]

He's not going to leave us except for ONE JOB. The OU job and they may be thinking bigger than Selmon when Castiglione first retires. And look, Selmon knows this is a long term job interview for him. He knows if he doesn't handle our AD well then OU will never come calling. He's way more motivated than people have apparently made their own conclusions to. Also, for an AD, Castiglione is pretty young. I mean he's only 66. He's probably got AT LEAST 6-7 more years of doing it.

He'd leave for just about any P4 job

[Bdawg]

Bo is one of the ones saying Odom was begging for the job. He wanted to be a HC in the SEC again. Bo says we never interviewed him or even returned a call to his agent. If that's true it's a travesty. Odom is a good coach. Of course he's not elite but who the **** is these days. I think some of our boosters are too hung up on finding a Kiffin.

Isn?t Odom a defensive guy? Think everyone at the time was wanting an offensive minded head coach, but I could be mistaken. I think we were wanting someone in the mold of Mullen, proven offensive coordinator.

[CaptainObvious]

Yeah, I thought maybe 6-6 if we were lucky but probably 5-7 because of the defense. Man, we are horrible. This is Jackie's last year bad.

"One can only hope so Jack!"

[TrapGame]

Isn?t Odom a defensive guy? Think everyone at the time was wanting an offensive minded head coach, but I could be mistaken. I think we were wanting someone in the mold of Mullen, proven offensive coordinator.

Yeah, but he's a proven head coach that's 3-0 at UNLV right now. Mullen was lightning in a bottle. We got extremely lucky hiring him.

[memsu06]

Isn?t Odom a defensive guy? Think everyone at the time was wanting an offensive minded head coach, but I could be mistaken. I think we were wanting someone in the mold of Mullen, proven offensive coordinator.

It would have been a solid hire if he brought a good OC with him.

We have no choice now but to support Lebby's decisions on the team. All this talk about firing him after year 1 is stupid and not going to happen and will be worse for the program.

If I was Selmon I might consider hiring a NIL talent evaluator to take a money ball approach.

[Cooterpoot]

It would have been a solid hire if he brought a good OC with him.

We have no choice now but to support Lebby's decisions on the team. All this talk about firing him after year 1 is stupid and not going to happen and will be worse for the program.

If I was Selmon I might consider hiring a NIL talent evaluator to take a money ball approach.

We have a group of people that handles that already

[Bdawg]

Yeah, but he's a proven head coach that's 3-0 at UNLV right now. Mullen was lightning in a bottle. We got extremely lucky hiring him.

Well you are hindsighting some with the 3-0 this year. Where has he been HC before? I can’t remember. And for as Mullen, I’m just saying I think everyone wanted an “offensive” guy and wanted some kind of excitement on the field. But boy it’s been an awful start and there is not much we can do to change it now. Got to play with who is on the team. I cant say it’s a scheme problem yet on offense because the OL is so horrible no offense could be successful. Defense may be another story, although the players on D are playing awful too.

[Bdawg]

It would have been a solid hire if he brought a good OC with him.

We have no choice now but to support Lebby's decisions on the team. All this talk about firing him after year 1 is stupid and not going to happen and will be worse for the program.

If I was Selmon I might consider hiring a NIL talent evaluator to take a money ball approach.

Definitely can’t fire Lebby. Got to give him a chance. But like you said, “if” he could bring in a good coordinator, he may would be fine. Guess you just never know. Just like Lebby. Really wish we would waited on Durkin, if he would have taken it. May not have panned out but at least he was experienced.

[DawgFromOxford]

It would have been a solid hire if he brought a good OC with him.

We have no choice now but to support Lebby's decisions on the team. All this talk about firing him after year 1 is stupid and not going to happen and will be worse for the program.

If I was Selmon I might consider hiring a NIL talent evaluator to take a money ball approach.

Yeah but that?s real easy to say in hindsight. If Odom had come here and gone 1-2 to start everyone would?ve flipped out wondering why we didn?t hire an offensive mind like Lebby. Fact is most coaching searches are a crapshoot in terms of who pans out and who doesn?t

[gtowndawg]

So to answer the original question: No. It's not even close to time to have the discussion of do you need to fire Selmon. He has done incredible with what he was provided, which was a bloated athletic dept with a bunch of lifelong staffers just collecting a check. He took a year to observe the dept and then started handing out pink slips and bringing in his people. That's what has happened with the hires of Joe Bailey, Tom Greene, Josh McCowan, and Terry Prentice. He has brought in more people but those were the main ones. I don't think some of y'all realize how bad it was under Cohen. Selmon has had to completely rebuild that dept basically from the ground up. I think he kept like one main person, Bo Hemphill, and he has really kept him on the outside.

Now on to his handling of coaches, we interviewed more than just Lebby. I know that for a fact. The Chadwell stuff was overblown because he was never coming here with that buyout. Odom did want the job, but I know there was hesitation of how much of his UNLV success was Barry and how much of it was the OC Brendan Marrion. The thought was that UNLV would just promote Marrion to HC and then we would be left with Barry trying to find an OC, which was a 50/50 shot. On Kinne, he lobbied hard for the job but he had been a FBS HC for one year and zero years outside the state of Texas. A lot of people believe when McGuire is let go at TTU or Arranda at Baylor that Kinne would crawl on broken glass to have a P4 Texas HC job. Same as Jeff Traylor. Lebby wanted the job, presented a comprehensive plan for how he woud BUILD AND MAINTAIN us, what he learned from Kiffin, etc. We bought the plan.

On facilities, I mean he's trying to get us up to snuff on that. Unfortunately when all your funds were put towards baseball and the sports that don't turn a profit , it's a bit difficult to get some of that back. So we've had to push MUCH NEEDED projects. Selmon is still pissed about The Hump "renovation" Cohen greenlit. The House Settlement has also thrown a wrench into things because if the Universities have to start funding NIL that is 15-20 mil PER YEAR MINIMUM that will need to go towards that.

Bottom Line: Is Selmon perfect? No and he'd tell you that. But I can promise you he is working his ass off to get us going again. Hell his work with Charlie and the NIL stuff is incredible. He's really helped build that up.

Good info and I'm willing to hold judgement for a while longer. But I do think he needs to communicate vision better to the average fan out there. Especially since we are headed into some dark days in football.

[TrapGame]

Well you are hindsighting some with the 3-0 this year. Where has he been HC before? I can?t remember. And for as Mullen, I?m just saying I think everyone wanted an ?offensive? guy and wanted some kind of excitement on the field. But boy it?s been an awful start and there is not much we can do to change it now. Got to play with who is on the team. I cant say it?s a scheme problem yet on offense because the OL is so horrible no offense could be successful. Defense may be another story, although the players on D are playing awful too.

He was Mizzou's head coach after Pinkel. We gave Lebby a pot full of shit and told him to make lobster bisque. It's gonna take at least three seasons for him to get rolling.

[BB30]

It's simple, more fans in seats regardless of the outcomes of games and more money donated if we want to be competitive. Selmon isn't the problem, it is in large part on our fans.

I remember the Mullen years many posters ragging on the students for poor attendance or leaving early. Now the only part of our stadium that looks full is the student section. If you have other interests that are more important than going to games that is understandable and fine. That being said, don't bitch/complain when we aren't competitive. Our stadium looks like USM's on Saturdays and our program is looking more like USM and less like an SEC team. We will be USM lite in 10 years if nothing changes within our fanbase.

Want better players put butts in the stands so when they are here on recruiting weekends it looks and feels like an SEC program. Nothing about the game felt like SEC football saturday, I know we were playing Toledo but everything just feels second rate including the fanbase.

[StarkVegasSteve]

It's simple, more fans in seats regardless of the outcomes of games and more money donated if we want to be competitive. Selmon isn't the problem, it is in large part on our fans.

I remember the Mullen years many posters ragging on the students for poor attendance or leaving early. Now the only part of our stadium that looks full is the student section. If you have other interests that are more important than going to games that is understandable and fine. That being said, don't bitch/complain when we aren't competitive. Our stadium looks like USM's on Saturdays and our program is looking more like USM and less like an SEC team. We will be USM lite in 10 years if nothing changes within our fanbase.

Want better players put butts in the stands so when they are here on recruiting weekends it looks and feels like an SEC program. Nothing about the game felt like SEC football saturday, I know we were playing Toledo but everything just feels second rate including the fanbase.

It comes down to the fact that everyone is not rowing in the same direction. We have one subset of fans, and not enough, that know what it takes to be competitive so they give what they can and let the NIL folks and recruiting folks do the work. There is another subset that is vehemently against NIL so they very proudly proclaim they are not giving but bitch and complain every time we lose and say we do not have enough talent or our talent sucks. The last subset are folks who do not even know what the Bulldog Initiative is. They come for the tailgate and the social aspect of things. We have a factioned and fractured fan base. You have more people that care about a damn logo from the 90s than NIL.

That is the difference between us and The School Up North. They get it. They understand this is the new way of college athletics. They are not waiting for the NCAA to do something or waiting for their big boosters to do something. They are all giving. They are all rowing in the same direction. It is not an administration issue. It?s a mindset issue. They are operating like SMU in the 80s and we are operating like TCU.

[gtowndawg]

It comes down to the fact that everyone is not rowing in the same direction. We have one subset of fans, and not enough, that know what it takes to be competitive so they give what they can and let the NIL folks and recruiting folks do the work. There is another subset that is vehemently against NIL so they very proudly proclaim they are not giving but bitch and complain every time we lose and say we do not have enough talent or our talent sucks. The last subset are folks who do not even know what the Bulldog Initiative is. They come for the tailgate and the social aspect of things. We have a factioned and fractured fan base. You have more people that care about a damn logo from the 90s than NIL.

That is the difference between us and The School Up North. They get it. They understand this is the new way of college athletics. They are not waiting for the NCAA to do something or waiting for their big boosters to do something. They are all giving. They are all rowing in the same direction. It is not an administration issue. It?s a mindset issue. They are operating like SMU in the 80s and we are operating like TCU.

There's a video going viral this morning on social media from an Arkansas TD club meeting. No idea who was talking but the guys said (paraphrasing) "we all hate Ole Miss but they have 5,000 (people) in their NIL and we only have 1,000"

So if Ole Miss has 5,000 and Arkansas has 1,000 any clue what we have? I'm in it and I have no idea.

[StarkVegasSteve]

There's a video going viral this morning on social media from an Arkansas TD club meeting. No idea who was talking but the guys said (paraphrasing) "we all hate Ole Miss but they have 5,000 (people) in their NIL and we only have 1,000"

So if Ole Miss has 5,000 and Arkansas has 1,000 any clue what we have? I'm in it and I have no idea.

We have more than 1,000. I know that much. But it's nowhere near the amount they have. And the kicker with their number is that is 5,000 members donating MONTHLY. That doesn't count the one time donations. Arkansas can have 1,000 members because they have people like John Tyson, John Conner Jr., the Waltons, the Stephens, the Hunts, etc. that can foot those big payments and not bat an eye. Having MULTIPLE BILLIONAIRES that you can hit up for donations is something we don't have. We don't have a billionaire alum. Neither does OM anymore. But they have Dickie Scruggs and David Nutt along with Jerry Hollingsworth to help them out. They supplement those big payments with their 5,000 members giving anywhere from $20/month to $2,000/month. That's where we fall flat. We have the Oscar Miskelly's, Richard Rula's, Richard Adkerson's, Billy Howard's, Heath Jenkins', etc. of our fan base giving big donations, but we don't supplement it well at all.

[Cooterpoot]

Around 3500ish but I'm sure it fluctuates

[BankerDog]

VegasSteve also forgets that one of the richest families in Arkansas (top 5) is connected to State. Vegas you know who I am talking about.

[StarkVegasSteve]

VegasSteve also forgets that one of the richest families in Arkansas (top 5) is connected to State. Vegas you know who I am talking about.

That I do. And since he's out of state I doubt our sit on their hands and appease the farmers Alumni Assc. or Bulldog Club has even reached out to him or know about him. All their money is going towards Arky. If we could get 15% of their annual Arky donation we'd be in the ballgame.

[BankerDog]

Per Brett McMurphy-Tennessee will add a 10% ?talent fee? on all football tickets, starting next season. This fee will go to the players, helping fund the proposed revenue share w/the players. UT estimates per-seat price increase averaging 4.5% for entire stadium.

Vegas-I told you just last night this what Selmon and Charlie needed to be doing. We need to tie seating priorities to NIL contributions and not BDC. Buy some players that can win some games and their budget will be flush again..keep losing and the pockets get tougher and tougher to get to. Heck just split the contributions for seating priority between the bdc and NIL and we?d be better off than we are. Are we better off with a broke bdc and a decent team or a terrible team and rich bdc?

[Cooterpoot]

Per Brett McMurphy-Tennessee will add a 10% ?talent fee? on all football tickets, starting next season. This fee will go to the players, helping fund the proposed revenue share w/the players. UT estimates per-seat price increase averaging 4.5% for entire stadium.

Vegas-I told you just last night this what Selmon and Charlie needed to be doing. We need to tie seating priorities to NIL contributions and not BDC. Buy some players that can win some games and their budget will be flush again..keep losing and the pockets get tougher and tougher to get to. Heck just split the contributions for seating priority between the bdc and NIL and we?d be better off than we are. Are we better off with a broke bdc and a decent team or a terrible team and rich bdc?

I "think" NIL and BDC are basically going to somewhat merge to an extent once the ruling comes down and revenue sharing starts. But nobody knows what the ruling is going to be, so everything is a wait and see.
We've already seen some of the NIL people move over. Not sure how that Cristil Club is going operate though.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I think NIL and BDC are basically going to somewhat merge to an extent once the ruling comes down and revenue sharing starts. But nobody knows what the ruling is going to be, so everything is a wait and see.

And therein lies our problem. We can't wait and see. We have to play by the rules as they are now or we are going to die as a program.

[BankerDog]

I "think" NIL and BDC are basically going to somewhat merge to an extent once the ruling comes down and revenue sharing starts. But nobody knows what the ruling is going to be, so everything is a wait and see.
We've already seen some of the NIL people move over.

We should go ahead and strike first. What?s the NCAA gonna do? Dock us some visits and a scholarship or two? Ha okay..

[Cooterpoot]

We should go ahead and strike first. What?s the NCAA gonna do? Dock us some visits and a scholarship or two? Ha okay..

TN can't give money to players until it's all settled either. The wait and see part is just applying to the actual settlement. Things could be ruled against that prevent things or it could open up other avenues. Nobody knows because it's a damn sandwich maker who has no clue about college athletics making that ruling.

[StarkVegasSteve]

We should go ahead and strike first. What?s the NCAA gonna do? Dock us some visits and a scholarship or two? Ha okay..

Second thought...I'm with Bank on this one. Keep the money in a fund so we have it when this stuff is put on to the universities to pay for kids.

[Coursesuper]

We should go ahead and strike first. What?s the NCAA gonna do? Dock us some visits and a scholarship or two? Ha okay..

We already kind of are, the $$ are not in the same place but there is overlap. Our problem is going to continue to be if one is being funded the other is not.

[BankerDog]

We already kind of are, the $$ are not in the same place but there is overlap. Our problem is going to continue to be if one is being funded the other is not.

That?s why I?m saying the seat priority needs to not be tied to BDC donations but NIL donations with an extra fee for ?talent fee?.

[BB30]

It comes down to the fact that everyone is not rowing in the same direction. We have one subset of fans, and not enough, that know what it takes to be competitive so they give what they can and let the NIL folks and recruiting folks do the work. There is another subset that is vehemently against NIL so they very proudly proclaim they are not giving but bitch and complain every time we lose and say we do not have enough talent or our talent sucks. The last subset are folks who do not even know what the Bulldog Initiative is. They come for the tailgate and the social aspect of things. We have a factioned and fractured fan base. You have more people that care about a damn logo from the 90s than NIL.

That is the difference between us and The School Up North. They get it. They understand this is the new way of college athletics. They are not waiting for the NCAA to do something or waiting for their big boosters to do something. They are all giving. They are all rowing in the same direction. It is not an administration issue. It?s a mindset issue. They are operating like SMU in the 80s and we are operating like TCU.

Absolutely, my favorite is people explaining what our big donors should do while also bitching about those big donors getting involved. Just shut your mouth and either pony up or don't bitch when the product is terrible it is that simple. I don't understand how dense someone has to be to not understand the concept.

This is the way the game is played now, is what it is.

If you don't like it you don't have to partake but you also can't bitch when we look like a G5 team and have a G5 fan experience. We have fans that expect our big boosters to keep the facilities up to date, cover NIL, and everything else without lifting a finger to do anything to help much less actually attending a game (heaven forbid you don't get to watch it on TV in the comfort of your living room) and then we complain about those big boosters for being too "involved". If it weren't for those "too involved" we wouldn't have a program at all.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Absolutely, my favorite is people explaining what our big donors should do while also bitching about those big donors getting involved. Just shut your mouth and either pony up or don't bitch when the product is terrible it is that simple. I don't understand how dense someone has to be to not understand the concept.

This is the way the game is played now, is what it is.

If you don't like it you don't have to partake but you also can't bitch when we look like a G5 team and have a G5 fan experience. We have fans that expect our big boosters to keep the facilities up to date, cover NIL, and everything else without lifting a finger to do anything to help much less actually attending a game (heaven forbid you don't get to watch it on TV in the comfort of your living room) and then we complain about those big boosters for being too "involved". If it weren't for those "too involved" we wouldn't have a program at all.

It's a double edged sword. I do agree that our older boosters are far too involved and want to stick their nose in too many things, but I know I myself can't give the money they are giving. I have been talking with a few people trying to get some sort of out of state/younger alumni 120 club going because trust me, there's mega money for MSU outside the walls of MS that we just have refused to tap into. We also do a shit job with younger alumni so if we can combine those forces together, we may have something.

[BB30]

It's a double edged sword. I do agree that our older boosters are far too involved and want to stick their nose in too many things, but I know I myself can't give the money they are giving. I have been talking with a few people trying to get some sort of out of state/younger alumni 120 club going because trust me, there's mega money for MSU outside the walls of MS that we just have refused to tap into. We also do a shit job with younger alumni so if we can combine those forces together, we may have something.

It's a double edged sword to an extent simply because we have people not wanting to contribute to offset the amounts given by the big boosters. I agree that we do a horrible job of tapping into younger money state grads out of state etc. But if it weren't for the big donors that may be too involved we wouldn't have a program at all. Until we are matching what they do for the university nobody should bitch about how the big boosters spend their money with our programs.

Unfortunately, I don't see a current path for us to bring in more NIL from out of state as we are terrible at the social media game and other than an email once a month we don't get the word out on anything.

I get more OM NIL propaganda on social media and regular mail than I do State and I graduated from State.

[StarkVegasSteve]

It's a double edged sword to an extent simply because we have people not wanting to contribute to offset the amounts given by the big boosters. I agree that we do a horrible job of tapping into younger money state grads out of state etc. But if it weren't for the big donors that may be too involved we wouldn't have a program at all. Until we are matching what they do for the university nobody should bitch about how the big boosters spend their money with our programs.

Unfortunately, I don't see a current path for us to bring in more NIL from out of state as we are terrible at the social media game and other than an email once a month we don't get the word out on anything.

I get more OM NIL propaganda on social media and regular mail than I do State and I graduated from State.

Well that's what I'm saying. I give myself but I know it's not enough to offset some of the old money we have, I mean the Seal family still has a TON of influence. I know I can't match what they have given, which is in well into 9 figures. And I do agree that we do a terrible job with young alumni and out of state. That is part of the reason I'm trying to start this venture. It's a way to bring in more people, but also bring in more money.

[PMDawg]

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[StarkVegasSteve]

Isn't Hardy a big fan? Has Charlie or anyone reached out to him? Maybe there's a way to use a code like "MSU NIL" when you buy his merch or music to get a discount, and he matches the discount to an NIL fund. Or something like that. Heck, Dak just got the biggest pay day in NFL history. Hopefully we're talking to him. There are ways to get it done.

ETA: At the very least, we could be making commercials or other media pushing NIL using guys/gals like this. Dak, Hardy, Chris Jones, Papelbon, Will Clark, Fletcher Cox, etc. Then, whatever we pay them to make the media, they donate straight to NIL.

Dak has made a commercial with the BI. It was put on the jumbotron prior to every game in 2021. He also give to the BI. Hardy donated all merch sales from his concert to the BI. He also gives to the BI. Jeff Simmons gives to the BI. Pabelbon does as well.

[PMDawg]

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[StarkVegasSteve]

That's good. But if no one outside of the stadium is seeing a product....

Well I mean where do you want that broadcasted? Hell half the people don't watch cable anymore so buying ad time is useless. I mean does Dak need to make a post every week on Twitter and Instagram that he donates to the BI and you should too? I don't know what some people want with this stuff. I mean why do we need to promote that they donate? Can you not donate if they don't? Are we thinking that if they donate then the common people don't have to? That's the exact reason OM has passed us in the NIL game. They do not give a crap if AJ Brown or Eli Manning or Brett Young or whoever else is donating to their Collective...they just do it.

[gtowndawg]

Well I mean where do you want that broadcasted? Hell half the people don't watch cable anymore so buying ad time is useless. I mean does Dak need to make a post every week on Twitter and Instagram that he donates to the BI and you should too? I don't know what some people want with this stuff. I mean why do we need to promote that they donate? Can you not donate if they don't? Are we thinking that if they donate then the common people don't have to? That's the exact reason OM has passed us in the NIL game. They do not give a crap if AJ Brown or Eli Manning or Brett Young or whoever else is donating to their Collective...they just do it.

Digital ads can be targeted effectivtly to State fans on a variety of platforms and if the BI is going to grow I think they need to get serious about hiring a marketing agency or a staff person. The messaging is the hard part (as we have discussed ad nausum!)

[BigDawg81]

I'll ride and die with Lebby b/c that's hand we were dealt and we need some stability in the football program.

However, if it is true that two or three top tier G5 head coaches interviewed, very interested in the job and yet none of them were even offered the position, then yeah, heads need to roll all over the administration.
Barry Odom
Jon Sumrall
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[NCMSTFAN]

Can't fire Selmon or Lebby. It's way too early to fire either of those guys and we have had so much turnover over the last 5 or 6 years that we would dig ourselves into a deeper hole trying to replace guys. And let's be fair, as much as it sucks right now, we have to give them both a fair shot.

[PMDawg]

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89 17in posts!

The answer is one post. 17 no it?s not time to fire him, he hasn?t done shit to be fired for.

Two shitty games by a new head football coach and some idiots want to fire the AD.

There?s no way some of the people on this board have ever led anyone or had the responsibility of hiring or firing.

[State82]

89 17in posts!

The answer is one post. 17 no it?s not time to fire him, he hasn?t done shit to be fired for.

Two shitty games by a new head football coach and some idiots want to fire the AD.

There?s no way some of the people on this board have ever led anyone or had the responsibility of hiring or firing.
Ok. This sums it up quite efficiently and succinctly. No one is getting fired. This comical shit is beyond old. Damn people. Just damn.

[NCMSTFAN]

89 17in posts!

The answer is one post. 17 no it?s not time to fire him, he hasn?t done shit to be fired for.

Two shitty games by a new head football coach and some idiots want to fire the AD.

There?s no way some of the people on this board have ever led anyone or had the responsibility of hiring or firing.

Thank you! I understand the frustration because I'm frustrated too but how are we already talking about firing Selmon? He's barely had time to do much of anything. And lets be honest, its not like we are a Powerhouse program that can fire coaches and AD's every other year and expect to become a great program. These things take time, they both deserve time.

[SpaceBully]

We are approaching the 2 year mark of our AD. How long before an AD can be accurately evaluated? I'm honestly not sure.

1. He was brought in because he had fundraising experience. Has our fundraising improved at all? I've not heard of anything nor have I seen any evidence.
2. The most important thing in college sports is NIL and ours is average (at best).
3. Football, the sport he played, is an unmitigated disaster under his watch, there's no arguing that.
4. Baseball is a mess, although admittingly I don't pay much attention to that.
5. Basketball looks to be on very solid footing, so kudus there.
6. Maybe some of the other sports have improved slightly? I'm honestly not sure.

I'm open to arguments, but what I saw (in person) Saturday night was such a mess I feel like leadership should be questioned. From the big bell falling over, to low energy, bored fans leaving at halftime, to players that don't seem to care at all. The whole thing was just embarrassing.

I think we have to give him 5 full years. Of course he'll likely be gone on his own accord by then anyway.

[gtowndawg]

89 17in posts!

The answer is one post. 17 no it?s not time to fire him, he hasn?t done shit to be fired for.

Two shitty games by a new head football coach and some idiots want to fire the AD.

There?s no way some of the people on this board have ever led anyone or had the responsibility of hiring or firing.

Sorry Zach, no offense intended.

[Cooterpoot]

89 17in posts!

The answer is one post. 17 no it?s not time to fire him, he hasn?t done shit to be fired for.

Two shitty games by a new head football coach and some idiots want to fire the AD.

There?s no way some of the people on this board have ever led anyone or had the responsibility of hiring or firing.

He's got a huge communication and marketing problem. Fix that, and I don't think you'd see complaints except for his Mullen tendencies.

[gtowndawg]

He's got a huge communication and marketing problem. Fix that, and I don't think you'd see complaints except for his Mullen tendencies.

That's the issue. I follow this stuff as close as you can. I'm in the BI, I'm no longer in the BC (chose NIL instead) but I was in it for years. I have a daughter at State and follow all social media accounts, including his (Zach's). And with all that said I don't really know what the athletic department is doing, what their goals are, fundraising efforts, etc. So all I have left to judge is what I see with my own eyes on the field and it's a mess. I do think he's probably a smart guy and if it's true he's removed a lot of dead wood I suppose that's good but again, that's just message board rumors. If he has postive things to brag about then do it! Let us know and we are the type fans that will get behind you. But I just feel like we're all wondering aimlessly at this point.

[AROB44]

That's the issue. I follow this stuff as close as you can. I'm in the BI, I'm no longer in the BC (chose NIL instead) but I was in it for years. I have a daughter at State and follow all social media accounts, including his (Zach's). And with all that said I don't really know what the athletic department is doing, what their goals are, fundraising efforts, etc. So all I have left to judge is what I see with my own eyes on the field and it's a mess. I do think he's probably a smart guy and if it's true he's removed a lot of dead wood I suppose that's good but again, that's just message board rumors. If he has postive things to brag about then do it! Let us know and we are the type fans that will get behind you. But I just feel like we're all wondering aimlessly at this point.

Not sure I agree with this.....

[LC Dawg]

I think Selmon thought he was walking into a fully functional SEC level athletic department and when he discovered that was not the case he could announce "This place is a disaster and will take some time to fix" or just keep quiet, which is what he did. Hopefully he has a vision for correcting and growing the department and he can share that soon.

[viverlibre]

With today's NIL announcement, the answer is no.

[Pancho]

I think Selmon is earning brownie points as we speak.......

[gtowndawg]

I think Selmon is earning brownie points as we speak.......

Yeah. I come hat in hand Mr. Selmon. Well done. Case closed for now.

Moderators. Feel free to lock this thread. We have other (good news) to talk about now.