Sunday Morning QB- We Are Bad Edition

[Coach34]

1. What a terrible weekend. Bad loss on Friday night followed up by not even cooking anything good. And then wellllllll

2. We are the worst P4 team in the country as writer's said before the season. I was thinking Croom level bad but then remembered Croom's team did play some defense. We are Jackie's last season bad.

3. Let's start with Lebby. We start with a holding penalty followed by a run to make it 2nd and 19 and then another run to make it 3rd and 18. The playcalling was bad at times. I got on Mullen at times about the same thing. Lebbo has proven to be a good playcaller in the past while an OC- very lackluster in games as a HC to this point. Showtime my ass. And dont get me started about going for it before half from the f'ing 12 yard line. Take the 3 there and have some momentum going into half- not to mention cutting it to a possible 3 score game. Desperation rarely pans out.

4. OL is bad. We all see it. Get absolutely no push. Allowed 5 sacks to damn Toledo. Just a bad group right now. Daniels made them look a little better so thats encouraging moving forward. He appears to be the only RB we have.

5. A friend pointed out that the only highlights he saw of Shapen before the season was him racking up yards in blowout games. Looks like this season will be no different.

6. We lack talent defensively. DL and LB are simply not very good. It's really hard to judge the DC in a fair way based on the talent we are putting on the field. Not only that- we are f'ing soft. We kept having guys hurt after tackling players from mf'ing Toledo. Toledo beat us up yesterday. Toledo. Not SEC. NOT SEC. Toledo.

7. Thanks again to Arnett and staff for taking the bullet that was moving on from the lack of recruiting and softass Airbone of Leach. That price was going to be paid at some point and we did it last year. We shouldnt be as bad as we are right now. The offense should be better than it is. That's just fact. Lebbo gets all the blame for that group being bad.

8. He may end up being ok- but its a tough watch right now. Hopefully he hangs on to important recruits. Long year ahead.

Hail State

[MoreCowbell]

I really do not see a way back for Lebby after that game it was so bad. I think all buy-in from the players, and fans, was destroyed last night. It was a bat signal to the rest of the college football world that we are and will be terrible for the foreseeable future.

[cheewgumm]

Hiring Leach was a mistake.hate to say but it?s true.

He is a great coach but changes things so dramatically hard to recover.

You?re right.

[TrapGame]

No bowl game by year three and Lebby should be gone. It is what it is. I'm willing to give him three years but year three needs to be the big turnaround.

[cheewgumm]

1-11 this year.

He should be playing every young guy possible.

[Quaoarsking]

Hiring Leach was a mistake.hate to say but it?s true.

As much as it pains me to say this (I have to be his biggest fan who posts here), I am going to agree with this statement ... but ONLY because he died.

We finished 9-4 in ranked in 2022. We would have done that again last year if Leach were still alive, and he would have had us as an 8-9 win program (with an occasional spike up to playoff contention) going forward.

But if we'd known that he would be dead within 3 years, we never would have hired him. No one can step in and replicate what he was.

[parabrave]

1-11 this year.

He should be playing every young guy possible.

Are there any "young guys"?? If I'm Parsons dad I 'm paying lebby not to get my son killed.

[cheewgumm]

Are there any "young guys"?? If I'm Parsons dad I 'm paying lebby not to get my son killed.

Ha good point

[Coach34]

As much as it pains me to say this (I have to be his biggest fan who posts here), I am going to agree with this statement ... but ONLY because he died.
and he would have had us as an 8-9 win program (with an occasional spike up to playoff contention) going forward.

I'm gonna disagree with that statement. Leach wasnt recruiting to replace what he had. Yes, going off his history it says he would have- but I just dont think he would have kept it going. We are barren on defense on the DL and at LB

[Coursesuper]

As much as it pains me to say this (I have to be his biggest fan who posts here), I am going to agree with this statement ... but ONLY because he died.

We finished 9-4 in ranked in 2022. We would have done that again last year if Leach were still alive, and he would have had us as an 8-9 win program (with an occasional spike up to playoff contention) going forward.

But if we'd known that he would be dead within 3 years, we never would have hired him. No one can step in and replicate what he was.

Mike Leach, his staff and their recruiting philosophy are directly responsible for the personnel situation that this program faces today. That hire was just another bad decision made by John Cohen who is finally being shown just how awful he was.

[Todd4State]

I'm gonna disagree with that statement. Leach wasnt recruiting to replace what he had. Yes, going off his history it says he would have- but I just dont think he would have kept it going. We are barren on defense on the DL and at LB

And who was recruiting the defensive side of the ball? The guy you just said that "took a bullet" for the program that our dumbass boosters kept to "Lee recruiting intact."

[Todd4State]

Mike Leach, his staff and their recruiting philosophy are directly responsible for the personnel situation that this program faces today. That hire was just another bad decision made by John Cohen who is finally being shown just how awful he was.

He has been gone two years. You can flip a roster in one. This staff didn't do that. And yes Cohen was a bad AD but if he was in charge when Leach passes he probably hires Hugh Freeze and we move forward.

[Quaoarsking]

I'm gonna disagree with that statement. Leach wasnt recruiting to replace what he had. Yes, going off his history it says he would have- but I just dont think he would have kept it going. We are barren on defense on the DL and at LB

People doubted him his whole career, and year after year he proved them wrong. I suspect he would have continued to throughout the 2020s. We'll never know for sure though.

[Todd4State]

People doubted him his whole career, and year after year he proved them wrong. I suspect he would have continued to throughout the 2020s. We'll never know for sure though.

One thing is for damn sure- he would have won more than five last year and he would have beaten Toledo.

[Brobi-wan]

If we don’t see some positivity at the end of the year, going to be tough to renew my tickets for next year. Team full of pu***ies was what I watched last night.

[Santiago]

This did not start with Leach. I am not sure why the OP did that.
We have leadership issues which involve alumni, who pushed Cohen onto our program as AD .

He hired Jomo, and then tried to hire Joe Judge. He was arrogant , and our game day experiences diminished while other schools spent money in marketing and increasing the fan experience.
But I guess all is equal with him for getting those cheaper hot dogs ***

To start today's post as Arnet being a martyr for a defense he himself recruited in the first place is something else.

What turned me off from MSU football was last season at posters(only a few) here, and our Rosebowl and others promoting Arnett and the buddies hired.

[viverlibre]

I know you guys are Leach haters, but had he lived, we'd be coming off back-to-back 9 win seasons. He had stabilized the program and brought back Mullen style toughness. It may have not been exciting or pretty, but results were there. Would Leach have been a good fit for the portal/NIL era? Who knows, but he was one of the highest IQ coaches of all time, he probably would have adjusted.

[Coach34]

And who was recruiting the defensive side of the ball? "

The HC is always The Closer

[MoreCowbell]

The conspiracy theorist in me wants to think that the SEC offices knew 15/20 years ago that the landscape of college football was going to play out like this so they gave us the last 10 years to have some fun before our eventual demise.

[Brobi-wan]

The conspiracy theorist in me wants to think that the SEC offices knew 15/20 years ago that the landscape of college football was going to play out like this so they gave us the last 10 years to have some fun before our eventual demise.

I don’t even know what to think, dude. I never thought I would see MSU football that bad.

[Coursesuper]

This did not start with Leach. I am not sure why the OP did that.
We have leadership issues which involve alumni, who pushed Cohen onto our program as AD .

He hired Jomo, and then tried to hire Joe Judge. He was arrogant , and our game day experiences diminished while other schools spent money in marketing and increasing the fan experience.
But I guess all is equal with him for getting those cheaper hot dogs ***

To start today's post as Arnet being a martyr for a defense he himself recruited in the first place is something else.

What turned me off from MSU football was last season at posters(only a few) here, and our Rosebowl and others promoting Arnett and the buddies hired.

You are not wrong, it all tracks back to your first statement.

[BankerDog]

It comes down to this:

We are not committed to doing what needs to be done to elevate the program. We have people openly opposing NIL to help change things and therein lies the problem with our school. Unlike our friends in Oxford who are all in, we are not. We also have a fraction of boosters who live and die by certain players and have to have them on our roster (Blanton, RayDarius Jones, Kamari Rogers, etc) who we overpay for and they flat out suck. Blanton makes Jett Johnson look like Pete Werner..

[TheLostDawg]

You are not wrong, it all tracks back to your first statement.

Is there nothing we can do at this point? Get someone else to call plays on defense, change something on offense, etc.?

At this point we should be looking at the future. This season is over. Let's get some pt and experience coaches/ players, and so on. I agree of certain players aren't bought in them let them go. Work towards next year as we aren't making a bowl this year

[BankerDog]

This did not start with Leach. I am not sure why the OP did that.
We have leadership issues which involve alumni, who pushed Cohen onto our program as AD .

He hired Jomo, and then tried to hire Joe Judge. He was arrogant , and our game day experiences diminished while other schools spent money in marketing and increasing the fan experience.
But I guess all is equal with him for getting those cheaper hot dogs ***

To start today's post as Arnet being a martyr for a defense he himself recruited in the first place is something else.

What turned me off from MSU football was last season at posters(only a few) here, and our Rosebowl and others promoting Arnett and the buddies hired.

I did not see this prior to my post but it is 100% correct. We have the Mississippi ?good ole boy? problem. It has become more and more evident. There is a fraction that would rather give all money to baseball and nothing to anyone else. It?s why Jans wanted out, it?s apart why Vic left, it?s why Mullen left, etc. And you know what pays for that nice baseball stadium? Football and Basketball.

[Brobi-wan]

Is there nothing we can do at this point? Get someone else to call plays on defense, change something on offense, etc.?

At this point we should be looking at the future. This season is over. Let's get some pt and experience coaches/ players, and so on. I agree of certain players aren't bought in them let them go. Work towards next year as we aren't making a bowl this year

You could call plays from the college football video game and do no worse.

[BankerDog]

Is there nothing we can do at this point? Get someone else to call plays on defense, change something on offense, etc.?

At this point we should be looking at the future. This season is over. Let's get some pt and experience coaches/ players, and so on. I agree of certain players aren't bought in them let them go. Work towards next year as we aren't making a bowl this year

at this point they need to get speed on the field. I wish DeMonte Russell would come off the ball and deliver a blow to a tackle like he does Pikes at Two Brothers who spill a drink on him..

I?d drop Purvis and Jennings down to DEs and play Mitchell and Tillman at LB. John Lewis is Leo 2.0?got those stars by his recruiting profile because of hard hits but is always out of position.

[BrunswickDawg]

It comes down to this:

We are not committed to doing what needs to be done to elevate the program. We have people openly opposing NIL to help change things and therein lies the problem with our school. Unlike our friends in Oxford who are all in, we are not. We also have a fraction of boosters who live and die by certain players and have to have them on our roster (Blanton, RayDarius Jones, Kamari Rogers, etc) who we overpay for and they flat out suck. Blanton makes Jett Johnson look like Pete Werner..

We've never been committed. Ever.
We let boosters can our best coach in history in the 1940s for going .500. Once. We ran off 2 future HOF coaches because we refused to invest in football. We allowed ourselves to be an SEC punching bag from the mid 50s until the mid 70s by tolerating things like having to play Bama somewhere in Alabama 20 times in a row while Ole Miss got to count Memphis as a league game. We laid down when the NCAA came after Tyler and Jackie. We sold home games and rarely played on campus so Starkville never grew nor did our facilities. And our Cigar Boys throughout that have always been about themselves and access and made Horrid decisions with their influence.

[Coach34]

We've never been committed. Ever.
We let boosters can our best coach in history in the 1940s for going .500. Once. We ran off 2 future HOF coaches because we refused to invest in football. We allowed ourselves to be an SEC punching bag from the mid 50s until the mid 70s by tolerating things like having to play Bama somewhere in Alabama 20 times in a row while Ole Miss got to count Memphis as a league game. We laid down when the NCAA came after Tyler and Jackie. We sold home games and rarely played on campus so Starkville never grew nor did our facilities. And our Cigar Boys throughout that have always been about themselves and access and made Horrid decisions with their influence.

You nailed it.

23 straight years playing in Baton Rouge. I still cant believe that

[Bdawg]

We've never been committed. Ever.
We let boosters can our best coach in history in the 1940s for going .500. Once. We ran off 2 future HOF coaches because we refused to invest in football. We allowed ourselves to be an SEC punching bag from the mid 50s until the mid 70s by tolerating things like having to play Bama somewhere in Alabama 20 times in a row while Ole Miss got to count Memphis as a league game. We laid down when the NCAA came after Tyler and Jackie. We sold home games and rarely played on campus so Starkville never grew nor did our facilities. And our Cigar Boys throughout that have always been about themselves and access and made Horrid decisions with their influence.

I must spread some rep.

[CaptainObvious]

He has been gone two years. You can flip a roster in one. This staff didn't do that. And yes Cohen was a bad AD but if he was in charge when Leach passes he probably hires Hugh Freeze and we move forward.

This would have been a best case scenario for State. Hugh comes in with a burr up his ass towards Ole Miss and reignites the rivalry. Steve, the 1960's level Hippy, Robertson gets run off from the program. The money guys are told to pay up for athletics are get the hell out!

[Todd4State]

The HC is always The Closer

Which is why Dan was so much better at recruiting defense.**

[Todd4State]

at this point they need to get speed on the field. I wish DeMonte Russell would come off the ball and deliver a blow to a tackle like he does Pikes at Two Brothers who spill a drink on him..

I?d drop Purvis and Jennings down to DEs and play Mitchell and Tillman at LB. John Lewis is Leo 2.0?got those stars by his recruiting profile because of hard hits but is always out of position.

I would play Gayten at running back, rotate in Stonka, Harrell, and SanFrisco at WR, and then start Head, Dinkins, McClendon, and Trevion on the DL.

Yeah they're not ready. But at least by playing them we get them some SEC experience. And we would show recruits that we're not afraid to play freshmen right away. And even if they are worse than what we are putting on the field now the result is still the same.

Linebackers need to be Purvis, Jennings, and DonTerry.

[Todd4State]

This would have been a best case scenario for State. Hugh comes in with a burr up his ass towards Ole Miss and reignites the rivalry. Steve, the 1960's level Hippy, Robertson gets run off from the program. The money guys are told to pay up for athletics are get the hell out!

I can't believe I forgot about the Steve Robertson vs Hugh Freeze phone record thing. LOL.

Yeah. That would have been awkward at first.

[memsu06]

Leach never had top rated recruiting classes anywhere he went.

He did however find ways to win. That's why he should be a HOF coach. He did more with less than any other coach. Basically the perfect MSU coach for what we do.

Unfortunately he passed and now we don't have high rated recruits which these coaches we hired have no idea what do to with since they are used to coaching 4-5 stars.

What concerns me on the field is the lack of effort. Some of that is on the players that need to have their NIL money in jeopardy if that's the case. If it's coaching then we need to fix that too.

Croom's defense would destroy this offense right now. That was something MSU always had even when our offense was horrible. We don't even have that now.

I think NIL should be performance based. You get a base amount then say you're a receiver you get more $ for completed passes or $ removed for fumbles etc. If a defensive player gets a sack he makes extra $, but if a lost tackle leads to a long run that's $ deducted.

What we have now is a team of mercenaries getting paid for very poor effort.

I do feel like Lebby is trying to get a handle on things with the dismissal of 3 players this season so far. If it takes a full cleansing to remove the cancer from the team I'm all for that.

We need a real defensive coordinator though.

[War Machine Dawg]

6. We lack talent defensively. DL and LB are simply not very good. It's really hard to judge the DC in a fair way based on the talent we are putting on the field. Not only that- we are f'ing soft. We kept having guys hurt after tackling players from mf'ing Toledo. Toledo beat us up yesterday. Toledo. Not SEC. NOT SEC. Toledo.


Coach, what's going on in our S&C department? You know as well as I do that toughness is largely built by the S&C staff. What kind of sissies do we have running S&C to be this soft? Any rumblings about overhauling it to fix the problem?

[Todd4State]

Coach, what's going on in our S&C department? You know as well as I do that toughness is largely built by the S&C staff. What kind of sissies do we have running S&C to be this soft? Any rumblings about overhauling it to fix the problem?

We need to hire Aaron Feld.

[Coach34]

Which is why Dan was so much better at recruiting defense.**

Somebody was- because Mullen had a new DC every other year

[Coach34]

Coach, what's going on in our S&C department? You know as well as I do that toughness is largely built by the S&C staff. What kind of sissies do we have running S&C to be this soft? Any rumblings about overhauling it to fix the problem?

I havent heard about any S&C issues. We look ok but damn- we just dont bring the thunder. We play like we are made of plastic

[RezDog7]

One thing is for damn sure- he would have won more than five last year and he would have beaten Toledo.

Like he beat Memphis?

[Quaoarsking]

Like he beat Memphis?

Absolutely terrible comparison.
Memphis is a better program than Toledo.
The Memphis game was on the road.
We only lost to Memphis by 2 points.
We outgained Memphis by over 200 yards and had 0 turnovers
There was a very questionable refereeing error (the referee waved his arms, which is the same as blowing the whistle) on Memphis's big punt return. There's no way to prove that we win if that doesn't happen, but we probably do.
Memphis did not completely dominate us on the lines of scrimmage like Toledo did.


Should SEC programs lose to G5 programs ever? No. But there's a huge difference in taking a loss to one under fluky and bizarre circumstances (several Power Five/Four programs do that every year) and getting completely curb-stomped by one (something that rarely happens to any Power conference program).

[Coach34]

Its fair to say Leach could have absolutely lost to Toledo. Its also fair to say Leach wouldnt have been dominated by Toledo.

We got dominated by Toledo Saturday. That is what is so discouraging

[dangeroushero]

Let?s just hope the UMass Minutemen don?t show up as the Sixty-Minute Men

[BeardoMSU]

We've never been committed. Ever.
We let boosters can our best coach in history in the 1940s for going .500. Once. We ran off 2 future HOF coaches because we refused to invest in football. We allowed ourselves to be an SEC punching bag from the mid 50s until the mid 70s by tolerating things like having to play Bama somewhere in Alabama 20 times in a row while Ole Miss got to count Memphis as a league game. We laid down when the NCAA came after Tyler and Jackie. We sold home games and rarely played on campus so Starkville never grew nor did our facilities. And our Cigar Boys throughout that have always been about themselves and access and made Horrid decisions with their influence.

This is so GD depressing. And 100% correct.

[TaleofTwoDogs]

We've never been committed. Ever.
We let boosters can our best coach in history in the 1940s for going .500. Once. We ran off 2 future HOF coaches because we refused to invest in football. We allowed ourselves to be an SEC punching bag from the mid 50s until the mid 70s by tolerating things like having to play Bama somewhere in Alabama 20 times in a row while Ole Miss got to count Memphis as a league game. We laid down when the NCAA came after Tyler and Jackie. We sold home games and rarely played on campus so Starkville never grew nor did our facilities. And our Cigar Boys throughout that have always been about themselves and access and made Horrid decisions with their influence.

This is possibly the best post in ED history. Seriously, the condition known as "good ole boy syndrome" has affected MSU and Mississippi for 100+ years (at least) but is particularly strong at MSU. UM has seemed to overcome this with money, but will probably find it to be short term thing because the state can not tolerate success at the expense of the status quo.

[Bothrops]

But if we'd known that he would be dead within 3 years, we never would have hired him. No one can step in and replicate what he was.

Poor Leach looked sick af to me during his last season. Almost septic like in interviews. I had an eerie feeling he had terminal disease, but heart wouldn't have been my first guess.
I started to wonder if he was seeing doctors.

[Todd4State]

Poor Leach looked sick af to me during his last season. Almost septic like in interviews. I had an eerie feeling he had terminal disease, but heart wouldn't have been my first guess.
I started to wonder if he was seeing doctors.

He was seeing doctors. He had a really bad cough for awhile.

[Bothrops]

He was seeing doctors. He had a really bad cough for awhile.

We're they NPs or doctors? I wonder if he had an echocardiogram scheduled.

[Coursesuper]

We've never been committed. Ever.
We let boosters can our best coach in history in the 1940s for going .500. Once. We ran off 2 future HOF coaches because we refused to invest in football. We allowed ourselves to be an SEC punching bag from the mid 50s until the mid 70s by tolerating things like having to play Bama somewhere in Alabama 20 times in a row while Ole Miss got to count Memphis as a league game. We laid down when the NCAA came after Tyler and Jackie. We sold home games and rarely played on campus so Starkville never grew nor did our facilities. And our Cigar Boys throughout that have always been about themselves and access and made Horrid decisions with their influence.

Well said.

[Activated Alpha]

We're they NPs or doctors? I wonder if he had an echocardiogram scheduled.

Didn't he die from heart failure complications? He could have been dealing with it for years before anyone knew anything. Either was on a ACE inhibitor that caused the dry cough or he had some type of LHF. I'm sure he was urged to get an ECHO done if he was following up with his doctors. It would have picked up any mitral regurg or ventricle hypertrophy. But I honestly believe he would still have us competitive. Now we would lose games absolutely, but we would have never been dominated by Toledo

[StarkVegasSteve]

We've never been committed. Ever.
We let boosters can our best coach in history in the 1940s for going .500. Once. We ran off 2 future HOF coaches because we refused to invest in football. We allowed ourselves to be an SEC punching bag from the mid 50s until the mid 70s by tolerating things like having to play Bama somewhere in Alabama 20 times in a row while Ole Miss got to count Memphis as a league game. We laid down when the NCAA came after Tyler and Jackie. We sold home games and rarely played on campus so Starkville never grew nor did our facilities. And our Cigar Boys throughout that have always been about themselves and access and made Horrid decisions with their influence.

You nailed it. The sad thing is that last part. Our boosters, the ones who are supposed to want what's best for the program, have been the ones actively destroying the program for 50 years. The really sad part is that Mullen, Byrne, and Stricklin had almost eradicated them and their influences from the program. Mullen told them they were all losers and to give him the money and shut the hell up. However, the second Cohen got the job, it was like we were back in 1986 all over again. Those same boosters had far too much influence once again. BankerDog and I have talked about this ad nauseam over the last 5-10 years but we need new blood in the booster world. We need to get rid of these old guys who only care about the influence they have and the stories they can tell at CCJ or Reunion.

[Coursesuper]

You nailed it. The sad thing is that last part. Our boosters, the ones who are supposed to want what's best for the program, have been the ones actively destroying the program for 50 years. The really sad part is that Mullen, Byrne, and Stricklin had almost eradicated them and their influences from the program. Mullen told them they were all losers and to give him the money and shut the hell up. However, the second Cohen got the job, it was like we were back in 1986 all over again. Those same boosters had far too much influence once again. BankerDog and I have talked about this ad nauseam over the last 5-10 years but we need new blood in the booster world. We need to get rid of these old guys who only care about the influence they have and the stories they can tell at CCJ or Reunion.

You left out Annandale, more of them there than across the street.

[PMDawg]

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[PMDawg]

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[Santiago]

At least we are running the football these days, and have Showtime offense instead of the boring stuff a few years ago that won ball games ***

[Santiago]

But isn't it fun to be watching an exciting offense again?!!!

We are Back Baby!!! ***
No more winning games, controlling the clock, keeping elite SEC offenses on the sideline.

[Santiago]

You nailed it. The sad thing is that last part. Our boosters, the ones who are supposed to want what's best for the program, have been the ones actively destroying the program for 50 years. The really sad part is that Mullen, Byrne, and Stricklin had almost eradicated them and their influences from the program. Mullen told them they were all losers and to give him the money and shut the hell up. However, the second Cohen got the job, it was like we were back in 1986 all over again. Those same boosters had far too much influence once again. BankerDog and I have talked about this ad nauseam over the last 5-10 years but we need new blood in the booster world. We need to get rid of these old guys who only care about the influence they have and the stories they can tell at CCJ or Reunion.

Spot on.
You could really see the meddling after Arnett was hired. When he said not changing anything, though, was that his intent and then the meddling began?
I really though he had a chance to just focus on defense, and let the system stay intact for at least a year while he learned the HC gig. Keep it simple.

We were winning games with less talent.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Spot on.
You could really see the meddling after Arnett was hired. When he said not changing anything, though, was that his intent and then the meddling began?
I really though he had a chance to just focus on defense, and let the system stay intact for at least a year while he learned the HC gig. Keep it simple.

We were winning games with less talent.

We were winning games with less talent because of the the coach that occupied the headset with HC on the side. He won with less talent everywhere he was.

[Santiago]

We were winning games with less talent because of the the coach that occupied the headset with HC on the side. He won with less talent everywhere he was.

I followed Leach , living in TX, back at his first year at TX Tech. Totally aware of what we had.
But our fan base did not totally grasp what we had. We could win a game, and still have complaints. He had to clean the culture after Jomo, coach first season through Covid, and that was my point also.

Seemed there was a group that could not wait to blow it up , to the point of trying it in an offseason after the portal was closed, and with a first time HC over his head.
Not sure who all was involved in that brilliance, but that was my main question.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I followed Leach , living in TX, back at his first year at TX Tech. Totally aware of what we had.
But our fan base did not totally grasp what we had. We could win a game, and still have complaints. He had to clean the culture after Jomo, coach first season through Covid, and that was my point also.

Seemed there was a group that could not wait to blow it up , to the point of trying it in an offseason after the portal was closed, and with a first time HC over his head.
Not sure who all was involved in that brilliance, but that was my main question.

It was a group of boosters that had gotten power back under Cohen that they did not have under Byrne or Stricklin. Then Leach came in and he told them all to F off and he didn't like them, which he didn't. They were the ones wanting to replace him. And it wasn't because we were doing bad, it was because they were basically cut off from info and so they couldn't look cool at the bar of whatever Madison Co country club they belonged to. Well Leach dies and we hastily promote Arnett and I believe, do not know this for fact, but believe they were the ones who pushed for him to have the permanent job and not just have it on an interim basis. They pitched it that they could put all these people around him that would help him. AKA: People who would feed them info and go drink with them at Two Bros and tell them how cool they were.

[Maverick91]

The amount of anger and seemingly truthful facts in this thread is making me happy. I really hope selmon is telling them to kick rocks while they pony up.

[StarkVegasSteve]

The amount of anger and seemingly truthful facts in this thread is making me happy. I really hope selmon is telling them to kick rocks while they pony up.

That's what it took last time. Byrne and Mullen came in after years of LT playing buddy buddy with a handful of them and them perpetuating this lie that we were broke, when we had not been for close to a decade, and told them shut up and donate. Mullen went a step further and called them a bunch of losers. He said real boosters and real athletic depts don't act like this and if you want to act like this go support pee wee daddy ball. And that's not rumor that's a story coming from Dan Mullen himself. He would straight up tell you how bad it was when he got here and still will to this day. Hell he told every athletic dept/bulldog club employee in the first meeting he had with them that if they weren't serious about winning then they need to leave because he hates being around losers and that's what they all were.

[Santiago]

It was a group of boosters that had gotten power back under Cohen that they did not have under Byrne or Stricklin. Then Leach came in and he told them all to F off and he didn't like them, which he didn't. They were the ones wanting to replace him. And it wasn't because we were doing bad, it was because they were basically cut off from info and so they couldn't look cool at the bar of whatever Madison Co country club they belonged to. Well Leach dies and we hastily promote Arnett and I believe, do not know this for fact, but believe they were the ones who pushed for him to have the permanent job and not just have it on an interim basis. They pitched it that they could put all these people around him that would help him. AKA: People who would feed them info and go drink with them at Two Bros and tell them how cool they were.

Appreciate you for contributing here. This is how many perceived it, but then we had media also all in with these alumni. I remember Faulk making smart comments about fans of Leach, etc.
We were winning....and yet we had alumni, some media, and leadership not really pulling in the same direction.

Some of the most backward BS I have seen in a while.... well until Auburn every November when upset with their coach.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Appreciate you for contributing here. This is how many perceived it, but then we had media also all in with these alumni. I remember Faulk making smart comments about fans of Leach, etc.
We were winning....and yet we had alumni, some media, and leadership not really pulling in the same direction.

Some of the most backward BS I have seen in a while.... well until Auburn every November when upset with their coach.

The internet fanboys(Hadad and Faulk) had an axe to grind with Leach because he didn't hire their boy Bumphis as a coach in the 21 offseason. Even though WE OFFERED HIM THE JOB OF RB COACH. They wanted him on staff so he'd feed them info. I mean you saw how adamant they were about keeping him on staff this past offseason. And I will say in their defense, Chad has more than proven his worth just by the recruiting trail alone. And look, it wasn't all sunshine and rainbows with Leach. He is one of the reasons that we're in the situation we find ourselves in. His disdain for recruiting 21 of the 22 positions on the field caused him to let Dave Emerick, and later Matt Dudek, run recruiting for us. This was a MASSIVE mistake. Emerick had never run recruiting and all of a sudden he was running it for an SEC program. Dudek at least had a tad of recruiting experience but was nowhere near ready to run that dept.

[Todd4State]

The internet fanboys(Hadad and Faulk) had an axe to grind with Leach because he didn't hire their boy Bumphis as a coach in the 21 offseason. Even though WE OFFERED HIM THE JOB OF RB COACH. They wanted him on staff so he'd feed them info. I mean you saw how adamant they were about keeping him on staff this past offseason. And I will say in their defense, Chad has more than proven his worth just by the recruiting trail alone. And look, it wasn't all sunshine and rainbows with Leach. He is one of the reasons that we're in the situation we find ourselves in. His disdain for recruiting 21 of the 22 positions on the field caused him to let Dave Emerick, and later Matt Dudek, run recruiting for us. This was a MASSIVE mistake. Emerick had never run recruiting and all of a sudden he was running it for an SEC program. Dudek at least had a tad of recruiting experience but was nowhere near ready to run that dept.

I figured the fan boys didn't like Leach being late for press conferences either which made them late to Two Brothers some too.

I remember they wanted Leach to fire Spurrier so that we could get Bumphis on as a coach as well.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I figured the fan boys didn't like Leach being late for press conferences either which made them late to Two Brothers some too.

I remember they wanted Leach to fire Spurrier so that we could get Bumphis on as a coach as well.

Leach never being on time for things did bother them, and bothered all the media, and that I get. I mean first off, he moved press conferences back to, I believe, 2 PM because he wasn't getting to the office til noon. Now the other side of that coin is that he was there til 3-4 AM most nights. But I think him moving them back, and then would sometimes be an hour late bothered the media. Saying all that, Leach gave the media more access than any coach had before.

However, there's a whole other issue with our media. Look at who covers these other teams. Whether it be Ole Miss, Auburn, South Carolina, Florida, LSU, etc. They have actual journalists covering their teams in most cases. We have Steve, who can be decent, a pizza boy, and a guy who has never made it past the HS beat in the local paper. Our media is nerds. It's just the truth. They can't really interact in social situations outside of their little group of friends. They hated Mackenzie Salmon because she got a lot of attention, for obvious reasons, and she had aspirations outside of Mississippi. They hated Tyler Horka because he didn't bleed maroon. They hated Frommer for the same reason. There's a reason the only people ever worth a crap that get handed the Mississippi State beat are here for 18-24 months. Veazey, Marcello, Rappoport, Sammon, etc.

[BigDawg81]

We've never been committed. Ever.
We let boosters can our best coach in history in the 1940s for going .500. Once. We ran off 2 future HOF coaches because we refused to invest in football. We allowed ourselves to be an SEC punching bag from the mid 50s until the mid 70s by tolerating things like having to play Bama somewhere in Alabama 20 times in a row while Ole Miss got to count Memphis as a league game. We laid down when the NCAA came after Tyler and Jackie. We sold home games and rarely played on campus so Starkville never grew nor did our facilities. And our Cigar Boys throughout that have always been about themselves and access and made Horrid decisions with their influence.
This is the realist shit that I have ever heard.

[Pancho]

that sums it up

[confucius say]

Poor Leach looked sick af to me during his last season. Almost septic like in interviews. I had an eerie feeling he had terminal disease, but heart wouldn't have been my first guess.
I started to wonder if he was seeing doctors.

My wife is medically smart and told me the same thing during the 2022 season. The skinny arms and fluid and stomach and constant cough. She knew it was congestive heart failure.

[Pancho]

Lee is injured and will be our for awhile

[Coach34]

My wife is medically smart and told me the same thing during the 2022 season. The skinny arms and fluid and stomach and constant cough. She knew it was congestive heart failure.

yeah- there were rumors and people got mad when I posted about it before he died. I didnt want the guy to die but dont shoot the messenger.