Is our defensive coordinator going to be

[cheewgumm]

Willie McCorvey
Peter Serman

Is he brain dead?

Or ia he gonna use his brain from here on out?

[Bothrops]

Hopefully we learned some things we can apply to future games.

[Bdawg]

If he can’t learn to adjust sooner than halfway through the third quarter, he ain’t the man.

[StarkVegasSteve]

If he can?t learn to adjust sooner than halfway through the third quarter, he ain?t the man.

He is working with VERY LITTLE TALENT in the front 3 and not much better in the back 8. However, he is going to have to get out of the 3-3-5. I mean his halftime adjustments were ok, but we completely went away from them when we needed a stop on their last drive in the 4th.

[R2Dawg]

He is working with VERY LITTLE TALENT in the front 3 and not much better in the back 8. However, he is going to have to get out of the 3-3-5. I mean his halftime adjustments were ok, but we completely went away from them when we needed a stop on their last drive in the 4th.

Sat loss wasn't about talent. We have some talent, not enough to win 8 games but enough to win 6. I watched Javion Williams abuse his man all night, where ever he lined up. We missed Dinkins and Anderson for sure. With a 3 man front, you need Cox, Jones and Simmons on that D.

[Cooterpoot]

I predict he's unemployed next year, & won't be the only one. I know Lebby doesn't want to bust up continuity but this ain't going to work.

[Goldendawg]

Hopefully we learned some things we can apply to future games.

Saw my 1st on campus game in 1963 (10-10 tie with OM?) at 8 years old and though I have never been a coach, I could tell the 3-3-5 couldn't stop the run with a transfer 215 lb RB from that powerhouse Sacramento St. Color me very concerned along with DL coach at the other end of the coaching spectrum. Unless I read incorrectly, their QB had 347 yards passing with 4 TD's in his career & we didn't put 8 in the box & make him beat us.

[Goldendawg]

I predict he's unemployed next year, & won't be the only one. I know Lebby doesn't want to bust up continuity but this ain't going to work.

Believe in Lebby on correcting our O troubles of the last few years with time, but getting an Arnett type feeling of some of his not ready for the position, buddy(?) hires as assistants. We needed an experienced DC even if from G5 to help another rookie HC. Hard enough to recruit to D when you have a DC no one has heard of (didn't exactly bring any bama talent tired of sitting on their bench with him), along with an over the hill DL coach. JMO.

[TrapGame]

I bet Lebby hires an experienced G5 DC sometime in December.

[Cooterpoot]

Believe in Lebby on correcting our O troubles of the last few years with time, but getting an Arnett type feeling of some of his not ready for the position, buddy(?) hires as assistants. We needed an experienced DC even if from G5 to help another rookie HC. Hard enough to recruit to D when you have a DC no one has heard of (didn't exactly bring any bama talent tired of sitting on their bench with him), along with an over the hill DL coach. JMO.

Well, Hutzler wasn't who he wanted for DC. He kept Turner who was our guy. Kennedy knows the scheme and is proven. I don't see that at all.

[Homedawg]

Sat loss wasn't about talent. We have some talent, not enough to win 8 games but enough to win 6. I watched Javion Williams abuse his man all night, where ever he lined up. We missed Dinkins and Anderson for sure. With a 3 man front, you need Cox, Jones and Simmons on that D.

We've run some shape form or fashion of the 3-3-5 for the last 15 years. It's not the 3-3-5. It's you can't put 5 guys in the damn box and expect to stop the run. He finally put a sixth guy in the box midway through the third. Thus the difference.
Eta I agree w the premise of not talented though!

[tcdog70]

Saw my 1st on campus game in 1963 (10-10 tie with OM?) at 8 years old and though I have never been a coach, I could tell the 3-3-5 couldn't stop the run with a transfer 215 lb RB from that powerhouse Sacramento St. Color me very concerned along with DL coach at the other end of the coaching spectrum. Unless I read incorrectly, their QB had 347 yards passing with 4 TD's in his career & we didn't put 8 in the box & make him beat us.

I FIRST SAW US BEAT HOWARD IN 63

[Maroonthirteen]

Maybe a new DC would help but....Our DL can't get off blocks. 23 is the best DL and should play more.

LBs are slow to fill the run holes. I dnk if that is failure to recognize the play or an aggression issue. LBs lost outside contain a few times. On and on.

Our best defense is for "show time" offense to actually show up in the next few weeks.

[maroonmania]

If he can?t learn to adjust sooner than halfway through the third quarter, he ain?t the man.

Not sure there is much hope for Hutzler. I know we are thin on DL but any amount of pre-game scouting would have told you that ASU was heavily committed to running the ball so coming out in the 3-3-5 with only 4 or 5 in the box was idiotic to begin with. I can't even put into words how moronic it was to stay in the that defense for over 2 quarters before chaning anything when they were bludgeoning us with the run game.

[Bdawg]

Not sure there is much hope for Hutzler. I know we are thin on DL but any amount of pre-game scouting would have told you that ASU was heavily committed to running the ball so coming out in the 3-3-5 with only 4 or 5 in the box was idiotic to begin with. I can't even put into words how moronic it was to stay in the that defense for over 2 quarters before chaning anything when they were bludgeoning us with the run game.

I mean how many times do you have to watch your defense get totally gashed before making a change? I bet their offensive coordinator thought this is the easiest game I’ve ever called!!

[RocketDawg]

It's going to be a long year. Glad we don't play Texas State.

[MBDawg601]

Skattawhoo has 25 yards vs Texas state. We are BAD

[BulldogBear]

Skattawhoo has 25 yards vs Texas state. We are BAD

You don't need two high safeties for a team that doesn't throw the ball. I still can't believe it took us 40 minutes to figure that one out. And then we still went back to it with the game on the line.

[DawgFromOxford]

Skattawhoo has 25 yards vs Texas state. We are BAD

On 10 carries. He?s averaging 2.5 yards per carry against power house Texas State

[Ezsoil]

With 5 head coaches and over 40 assistants in just over 7 years .... firing coaches is always the answer...

[StarkVegasSteve]

With 5 head coaches and over 40 assistants in just over 7 years .... firing coaches is always the answer...

Dan-left
Joe-lost control of team. Cheating scandal and starting MLB punched out starting QB
Leach-died
Arnett-awful coach and had no control over team. Also lied to the administration, fanbase, and players



I mean would you really have wanted to keep Moorhead or Arnett???? Firing coaches isn't always the answer but it sure as hell was in the two instances we did it.

[TrapGame]

Dan-left
Joe-lost control of team. Cheating scandal and starting MLB punched out starting QB
Leach-died
Arnett-awful coach and had no control over team. Also lied to the administration, fanbase, and players



I mean would you really have wanted to keep Moorhead or Arnett???? Firing coaches isn't always the answer but it sure as hell was in the two instances we did it.

Rumor was Sark wanted our job before we hired Leach. If that's true we royally screwed the pooch.

[Cooterpoot]

Dan-left
Joe-lost control of team. Cheating scandal and starting MLB punched out starting QB
Leach-died
Arnett-awful coach and had no control over team. Also lied to the administration, fanbase, and players



I mean would you really have wanted to keep Moorhead or Arnett???? Firing coaches isn't always the answer but it sure as hell was in the two instances we did it.

And Leach recruiting was worse than a dumpster fire

[StarkVegasSteve]

Rumor was Sark wanted our job before we hired Leach. If that's true we royally screwed the pooch.

Look who was doing the hiring......hell we were going to hire Joe Judge until the Giants saved our ass. I don't know that Sark wanted the job, but I know he was interviewed.

I mean we truly backdoored into Leach.

[StarkVegasSteve]

And Leach recruiting was worse than a dumpster fire

His recruiting had its flaws, but he kept us relevant. Leach's biggest flaw and greatest strength were the same thing. He didn't need superior athletes to beat you with his system. He also openly loathed defense so we were never going to be great defensive recruiting wise under him. However, we still got some dudes. Missing on all the talent we did last year in recruiting and the portal set us back. Also not being more active in the portal in the offseason between 22 and 23

[Goldendawg]

His recruiting had its flaws, but he kept us relevant. Leach's biggest flaw and greatest strength were the same thing. He didn't need superior athletes to beat you with his system. He also openly loathed defense so we were never going to be great defensive recruiting wise under him. However, we still got some dudes. Missing on all the talent we did last year in recruiting and the portal set us back. Also not being more active in the portal in the offseason between 22 and 23

Pre-portal connected friend of mine stated that post Leach (before his tragic passing), that it would take 5 years to rebuild the team from his scheme. Arnett disaster didn't help either. Lebby inherited a gutted, lack of SEC talent roster and our portal haul last year was rushed and very questionable, especially on "D".

[StarkVegasSteve]

Pre-portal connected friend of mine stated that post Leach (before his tragic passing), that it would take 5 years to rebuild the team from his scheme. Arnett disaster didn't help either. Lebby inherited a gutted, lack of SEC talent roster and our portal haul last year was rushed and very questionable, especially on "D".

Pre Portal that is/was correct. I mean you either have to hire another AR guy or commit to a completely full rebuild. The completely full rebuild is where we were heading with Arnett.

[BankerDog]

Pre-portal connected friend of mine stated that post Leach (before his tragic passing), that it would take 5 years to rebuild the team from his scheme. Arnett disaster didn't help either. Lebby inherited a gutted, lack of SEC talent roster and our portal haul last year was rushed and very questionable, especially on "D".

Taking Ole Miss Route?pay the offense first and show life then focus on defense. If we didn?t have so many people openly oppose to how the game is played, we may be able to have had some extra funds to go get some dudes on the DL. A good starting DL in the SEC is at least $375K. But some of our fans would rather have little Bobby Jo from Academy because his daddy was at the school at the same time as me and is a good fella. Does things the right way.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Taking Ole Miss Route?pay the offense first and show life then focus on defense. If we didn?t have so many people openly oppose to how the game is played, we may be able to have had some extra funds to go get some dudes on the DL. A good starting DL in the SEC is at least $375K. But some of our fans would rather have little Bobby Jo from Academy because his daddy was at the school at the same time as me and is a good fella. Does things the right way.

BINGO. You have to play the game now. Like I've said before, I've lost the battle on saying that you can't complain if you don't donate but when people say we have a talent deficiency there's a fix to it. Lebby has the right idea though. Get the offense right and then we'll figure out the defense.

[HoopsDawg]

You don't need two high safeties for a team that doesn't throw the ball. I still can't believe it took us 40 minutes to figure that one out. And then we still went back to it with the game on the line.

Yep, went back to it on the 2nd and long play on ASU's last drive. It prevented us from getting the ball back. Just really stupid.

[maroonmania]

Pre-portal connected friend of mine stated that post Leach (before his tragic passing), that it would take 5 years to rebuild the team from his scheme. Arnett disaster didn't help either. Lebby inherited a gutted, lack of SEC talent roster and our portal haul last year was rushed and very questionable, especially on "D".

And Lebby didn't help himself with the no name inexperienced DC hire. Our defensive portal recruiting was beyond awful in Lebby's first year for a team that had starter jobs open all over the place.

[Homedawg]

Rumor was Sark wanted our job before we hired Leach. If that's true we royally screwed the pooch.

i would never have hired CML. told the people involved i wouldn't. W that said, sark would have been here a year and gone.

[Pancho]

bet lotta DL momma's gettin more than a new double wide for 375K a season.......

[TrapGame]

i would never have hired CML. told the people involved i wouldn't. W that said, sark would have been here a year and gone.

I agree but more like two years b/c 2020 really didn't count. 2021 we would have been riding high and he would have bolted.

[Ezsoil]

And Lebby didn't help himself with the no name inexperienced DC hire. Our defensive portal recruiting was beyond awful in Lebby's first year for a team that had starter jobs open all over the place.

And you think a big name DC wants to come here? There are two options at MSU ...take a chance on an unproven coach or a retread with baggage .....pick your poison...both have pluses and minuses.....I'd rather take my chance with a young hungry guy than a guy looking to pad his retirement.

[MBDawg601]

i would never have hired CML. told the people involved i wouldn't. W that said, sark would have been here a year and gone.

Had Leach lived, we would be in the same boat as Ole Miss right now. But you wouldn't have hired him? Come on man...

[gtowndawg]

But some of our fans would rather have little Bobby Jo from Academy.

Bobby Jo plays with heart and he's tough! Espcially for a 5'10" 192 lb defensive end!

[TrapGame]

And you think a big name DC wants to come here? There are two options at MSU ...take a chance on an unproven coach or a retread with baggage .....pick your poison...both have pluses and minuses.....I'd rather take my chance with a young hungry guy than a guy looking to pad his retirement.

We don't need a big name DC just someone who has enough experience to load a ****ing box. There are several experienced G5 DCs running really good defenses for the G5 level that would have walked to Starkville for an interview.

[MBDawg601]

We don't need a big name DC just someone who has enough experience to load a ****ing box. There are several experienced G5 DCs running really good defenses for the G5 level that would have walked to Starkville for an interview.

Walked to Starkville.. top 5 comment.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Bobby Jo plays with heart and he's tough! Espcially for a 5'10" 192 lb defensive end!

Bobby Jo is a 5'11 WR that runs a 5.3 flat in the 40. "But he catches it every time!!"

[MBDawg601]

Bobby Jo is a 5'11 WR that runs a 5.3 flat in the 40. "But he catches it every time!!"

Bobby Jo can't throw a pass over 27 yards and has cinderbocks for cleats, but he has the heart of a lion and his deddy played her in 87

[BankerDog]

And Lebby didn't help himself with the no name inexperienced DC hire. Our defensive portal recruiting was beyond awful in Lebby's first year for a team that had starter jobs open all over the place.

Please make checks out to Bulldog Initiative and memo ?defensive portal?.

[Pancho]

word

[Bothrops]

Rumor was Sark wanted our job before we hired Leach. If that's true we royally screwed the pooch.

I heard the Sark rumor too. Right around New Year's '19/'20. I think that's all it was, a baseless rumor.

[Coach34]

Lebby made his choice as DC. Nobody forced this guy on him. Meanwhile Arnett is helping Mississippi win this season.

[BankerDog]

Lebby made his choice as DC. Nobody forced this guy on him. Meanwhile Arnett is helping Mississippi win this season.

The butthurt is real in this one?as I have said numerous times, people would rather have access to our program than to donate to NIL.

Arnett also helped Ole Miss and lots more win last season. had some heckuva coaching hires last year and his staffs recruiting, outside of Harrell, was laughable. Guy was about to start taking borderline juco players out of HS-he was clueless

[SPMT]

Lebby made his choice as DC. Nobody forced this guy on him. Meanwhile Arnett is helping Mississippi win this season.

I don?t think Arnett would?ve stayed as DC under Lebby. That would be unheard of. Not sure why you are implying that.

[Pancho]

We are still paying Arnett this year anyways. the 67K from Lame this year is peanuts. He'll move on after the season