Moorhead Interview

[BeardoMSU]

the discussion of his time at State starts around 13:30.

Oh boy...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9_lzpDxYJw

[BrunswickDawg]

TLDR - "It was them, not me. Please ignore my record 4-20 record at Akron because I've won more games in 2 years here then the previous coach won in 3."

[PMDawg]

It's funny how he talks about State buying into some "revisionist history" when that's exactly what he's doing. Yeah, it sounds good the way he frames it, but he completely ignores the loaded roster he was handed (as compared to the guy that came before him, and the one that came after him) as well as any of the other circumstances surrounding his record here. Virtually all of the losses were because of how bad his offense was. We looked bad in a lot of our wins, but the defense saved us or we were just playing a far less talented team. He refuses to accept ANY accountability, but then you see his record at Akron against teams with similar talent. I mean, they open the interview up by talking about how he barely eeked by St. Frances (who?) in OT in his first game as the Akron HC. That's one of his FOUR wins there. LOL. Saint Freaking Frances - that's 25% of his wins as HC at Akron. But, even there, that's not his fault. He's happy to have those 4 wins there, because the coach before him (who was fired for sucking, by the way) sucked a little more than he does.

Akron is a perfect fit for him. ZERO expectations, and he's happy to live up to them because he can blame the school's history instead of himself. Will be funny when he is still on the hot seat by the end of year 3 due to not being able to live up to even ZERO expectations. But, amazingly, he'll still be convinced that he's not the problem.

[BeardoMSU]

It's funny how he talks about State buying into some "revisionist history" when that's exactly what he's doing. Yeah, it sounds good the way he frames it, but he completely ignores the loaded roster he was handed (as compared to the guy that came before him, and the one that came after him) as well as any of the other circumstances surrounding his record here. Virtually all of the losses were because of how bad his offense was. We looked bad in a lot of our wins, but the defense saved us or we were just playing a far less talented team. He refuses to accept ANY accountability, but then you see his record at Akron against teams with similar talent. I mean, they open the interview up by talking about how he barely eeked by St. Frances (who?) in OT in his first game as the Akron HC. That's one of his FOUR wins there. LOL. Saint Freaking Frances - that's 25% of his wins as HC at Akron. But, even there, that's not his fault. He's happy to have those 4 wins there, because the coach before him (who was fired for sucking, by the way) sucked a little more than he does.

Akron is a perfect fit for him. ZERO expectations, and he's happy to live up to them because he can blame the school's history instead of himself. Will be funny when he is still on the hot seat by the end of year 3 due to not being able to live up to even ZERO expectations. But, amazingly, he'll still be convinced that he's not the problem.

REP^

Yeah, pretty much all of this.

[StarkVegasSteve]

He also completely leaves out the part that we weren't going to fire him......until his MLB punched out his starting QB and caused him to miss the bowl game.

[StarkVegasSteve]

The sad thing is that I actually liked Joe as a person when he was here. He was very down to earth, had a plan for how to elevate us, etc. However, he's kind of like the guy that has a million good ideas, but someone has just beat him to all of them. Then he complains about it and how everyone is trying to keep him down.

[BeardoMSU]

https://twitter.com/DawgsToday/status/1788753094420939016

[TrapGame]

Moorhead took Hud's advice and used the zone read to embarrass A&M and Auburn, but he decided "I don't want to win that way".

Play to Fitz's strengths with a couple of RPO sets and we win 10 games that year and Joe is looking like COTY.

[PGHBulldogBG]

The guy may be decently smart with an offense, but he is not a head coach at the P4 level. We honestly had fans saying that his offense was going to be above and beyond Mullen’s and he was going to be a better coach. I really wanted to be wrong about him but some quick research about his history and winning with other coaches players with talent advantages clearly shows that he was Houston Nutt 2.0 but worse. The crazy part is SI writers who are paid to do this stuff actually thought he was a good hire. It is still just baffling Cohen messed this up so bad

[BrunswickDawg]

And lets not forget -

ALL 8 WINS IN 2018 WERE VACATED BECAUSE OF YOUR NEGLEGENCE SLOMO!

The full is list of penalties for the academic misconduct are as follows:

A fine of $5,000, plus 1% each of the football and men’s basketball budgets.
A reduction of two football scholarships during each of the 2020-21 and 2021-22 academic years.
A reduction of one men’s basketball scholarship during the 2020-21 academic year.
A reduction of four football official visits from the program’s four-year average of 40 visits during the 2019-20 academic year.
A reduction of two men’s basketball official visits from the program’s four-year average of 10 visits during the 2019-20 and 2020-21 rolling two-year period.
A prohibition of football unofficial visits during one home contest for the 2019-20, 2020-21 and 2021-22 academic years.
A prohibition of men’s basketball unofficial visits during two home contests for the 2019-20 and 2020-21 academic years.
A reduction of football evaluation days by two in the fall 2019 and 10 in spring 2020.
A reduction of men’s basketball recruiting-person days by six in the spring of 2020.
Three years of probation.
A vacation of records in which student-athletes competed while ineligible. The university must provide a written report containing the contests impacted to the NCAA media coordination and statistics staff within 45 days of the public decision release.
A disassociation of the former tutor.
All involved student-athletes must conduct one rules education session on the consequences of academic misconduct.
Participation in the National Association of Academic and Student-Athlete Development Professionals program review and Academic Integrity Assessment process.
A 10-year show-cause order for the former tutor. During that period, any NCAA member school employing her must restrict her from any athletically related duties unless it shows cause why the restrictions should not apply.

[NCMSTFAN]

Honest question here, was Moorhead really that bad at State? In no way am I defending him but what would have constituted a good year and what truly were our expectations for him? I know he inherited one of the top ranked defenses in the country his first year, but Mullen went 9-4 the year prior with pretty much the same team. In fact our best season since hiring Mullen was our infamous 2014 Dak Prescott led 10-3 team that reached #1.

Outside of that we've averaged about 7 wins a season with Moorhead, Leach and Arnett combined. Again, I'm not taking up for Moorhead or even bashing him, I'm just curious as to what our expectations were then and we do we truly expect from Lebby for that matter?

[TrapGame]

Honest question here, was Moorhead really that bad at State? In no way am I defending him but what would have constituted a good year and what truly were our expectations for him? I know he inherited one of the top ranked defenses in the country his first year, but Mullen went 9-4 the year prior with pretty much the same team. In fact our best season since hiring Mullen was our infamous 2014 Dak Prescott led 10-3 team that reached #1.

Outside of that we've averaged about 7 wins a season with Moorhead, Leach and Arnett combined. Again, I'm not taking up for Moorhead or even bashing him, I'm just curious as to what our expectations were then and we do we truly expect from Lebby for that matter?

The inmates were running the asylum, and Joe's Yankee ass didn't like practicing in the sweltering heat of August. We were trending down. IIRC, some of Jackie's and Mullen's former players were invited to a practice by Cohen and they all told Cohen that Joe was too soft.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Honest question here, was Moorhead really that bad at State? In no way am I defending him but what would have constituted a good year and what truly were our expectations for him? I know he inherited one of the top ranked defenses in the country his first year, but Mullen went 9-4 the year prior with pretty much the same team. In fact our best season since hiring Mullen was our infamous 2014 Dak Prescott led 10-3 team that reached #1.

Outside of that we've averaged about 7 wins a season with Moorhead, Leach and Arnett combined. Again, I'm not taking up for Moorhead or even bashing him, I'm just curious as to what our expectations were then and we do we truly expect from Lebby for that matter?

Our expectations were that we had an all world D coming back, which we did, and all he had to do was not screw it up. He screwed it up by trying to ask a QB, who needed to be learning Algebra 2, to learn Calculus. The two games where we went away from the JoeMo offense(Auburn and A&M) we looked the best. So people already had a sour taste in their mouth from that.

Then we go to 2019. We have TutorGate, which knocks out one of, if not your best, returning defenders in Willie Gay as well as causes depth issues. Add in to that dysfunction at multiple positions(QB being chief) and then his MLB punches out his starting QB in bowl game prep. We also were woefully out of shape in 2019 because our strength coach left and instead of going out and hiring one, we promoted from within.

Moorhead to this day apparently still cannot grasp he was not fired for on field performance. It was everything off the field and around the program. We kept him BECAUSE HE BEAT OLE MISS. A stupid reason to keep him, but look who the AD was.

[Brobi-wan]

Honest question here, was Moorhead really that bad at State? In no way am I defending him but what would have constituted a good year and what truly were our expectations for him? I know he inherited one of the top ranked defenses in the country his first year, but Mullen went 9-4 the year prior with pretty much the same team. In fact our best season since hiring Mullen was our infamous 2014 Dak Prescott led 10-3 team that reached #1.

Outside of that we've averaged about 7 wins a season with Moorhead, Leach and Arnett combined. Again, I'm not taking up for Moorhead or even bashing him, I'm just curious as to what our expectations were then and we do we truly expect from Lebby for that matter?

It was never really the win total. It was the off the field stuff. He was letting our program behave like we were scUM.

[SteelCityDawg]

The inmates were running the asylum

This was the biggest factor in my opinion. It all came to a head when our QB missed the bowl game because he was punched by a fellow teammate. And sure, he can remind us all that he was 2-0 against OM, but those were 2 awful years for OM. Kiffin would curb stomp JoMo. If JoMo was still the coach in 2021 (I don't count 2020), we would have gone 3-9 (0-8) that season.

[Matt3467]

We had the #1 defense statistically in 2018 but our offense was really bad which was weird since his supposed calling card was offense. Losing as bad as we did to KY sucked but it was Florida that threw me off the bandwagon plus we scored a combined 9 points against FL, AL, and LSU. Ole Miss also gift wrapped him a win. We average 7.6 wins per year with Mullen so saying 7 was a little disingenuous which I overlooked but then to go on and say "the coach after me went 19-17" which was Leach was imo another thing he shouldn't have said as not only did he die and not get fired but he had a better year with lesser talent than Moorhead had here. Plus he was 19-16 not 19-17. Also I wonder what Moorhead's final tally would be here if he had to play a full year vs the SEC.

[PMDawg]

It was never really the win total. It was the off the field stuff. He was letting our program behave like we were scUM.

That's not accurate. It was underachieving vs. our talent (so, yeah, win total), the way we looked while winning AND losing (barely beating teams we were heavily favored to beat, losing (sometimes badly) to teams we were within a TD of in either direction, and looking absolutely inept on offense against any team with an above average defense), the way he talked to and about our fans, the culture he was instilling (or failing to instill) within the program, tutor-gate, and always refusing to accept accountability as the CEO of it all. So it was both on and off the field. The whole thing was a failure.

[BrunswickDawg]

We had the #1 defense statistically in 2018 but our offense was really bad which was weird since his supposed calling card was offense. Losing as bad as we did to KY sucked but it was Florida that threw me off the bandwagon plus we scored a combined 9 points against FL, AL, and LSU. Ole Miss also gift wrapped him a win. We average 7.6 wins per year with Mullen so saying 7 was a little disingenuous which I overlooked but then to go on and say "the coach after me went 19-17" which was Leach was imo another thing he shouldn't have said as not only did he die and not get fired but he had a better year with lesser talent than Moorhead had here. Plus he was 19-16 not 19-17. Also I wonder what Moorhead's final tally would be here if he had to play a full year vs the SEC.

Moorhead goes 1-9 with our 2020 schedule, maybe 0-10. Could you image how out of shape and out of control our team would have been under Moorhead during COVID?? It would have been brutal.

[HoopsDawg]

That man was obsessed with his RPO's.

[Matt3467]

Moorhead goes 1-9 with our 2020 schedule, maybe 0-10. Could you image how out of shape and out of control our team would have been under Moorhead during COVID?? It would have been brutal.

I agree. 2020 was bad. New coach, covid, all sec schedule. However, one of the proudest moments I had as a Bulldog fan happened in 2020 when we were barely able to field a team vs Georgia in Athens yet we did it anyway and despite all of that almost came out with a win. It's hard to imagine a world where Moorhead in 2020 does better.

[TrapGame]

Joe's tenure at Akron is more proof to me that James Franklin had him on a short leash offensively. Franklin helped him pack for Starkville and even programmed the GPS so he'd get there. I've heard from a Penn State alum that Franklin gave Joe ten plays to call and that was it. He used those ten plays and let Saquon Barkley be Saquon Barkley.

[Mjoelner34]

F that guy!

[Cooterpoot]

First time in my life more head (Moorhead) was a bad thing

[SPMT]

F that guy!


Yep! Dude sucks as an HC. Nothing worth even listening to.

[Pancho]

I'm cool with never hearing his name again.

[Extendedcab]

I don’t know why Joe’s opinion matters to us anymore. Been there, done that, got the tee shirt , didn’t fit, threw it in the trash.

[Coach34]

**** that dude.

When you tell your assistant coaches- "I'd rather lose than win running that shit" you get fired. I'm pissed we had to pay you millions to leave.

[MoreCowbell]

He immediately lost all credibility when he only won 8 games with the 2018 roster we had. #1 defense wasted on his terrible offense.

[MoreCowbell]

We had the #1 defense statistically in 2018 but our offense was really bad which was weird since his supposed calling card was offense. Losing as bad as we did to KY sucked but it was Florida that threw me off the bandwagon plus we scored a combined 9 points against FL, AL, and LSU. Ole Miss also gift wrapped him a win. We average 7.6 wins per year with Mullen so saying 7 was a little disingenuous which I overlooked but then to go on and say "the coach after me went 19-17" which was Leach was imo another thing he shouldn't have said as not only did he die and not get fired but he had a better year with lesser talent than Moorhead had here. Plus he was 19-16 not 19-17. Also I wonder what Moorhead's final tally would be here if he had to play a full year vs the SEC.

I agree. Losing to Mullen on his return to Starkville with our clearly more talented roster turned me. I held out hope until then.

[SPMT]

I don?t know why Joe?s opinion matters to us anymore. Been there, done that, got the tee shirt , didn?t fit, threw it in the trash.

It?s obvious. He?s talking bad about the university that paid him a lot of money to get the 17 out.

[KOdawg1]

Joe Moorhead owes Saquon Barkley a lot of money, because without that guy, Joe doesn't amount to much of anything

[cheewgumm]

Moorhead was worse than Croom, by a lot.

I'm convinced he didnt even look at tape of our team before he came here.

He came here thinking "I'm from Penn State. This is Miss State who is never any good. They should be happy with whatever they get."

He had:

1) The Nations best defense
2) The top running QB in SEC history (i think)

and he ran that offense to 8-5. Absolutely brutal.

The irony is that team was Mullen's best chance to win a Natty and he left it. People may think that is crazy but its not.

[Todd4State]

Moorhead was worse than Croom, by a lot.

I'm convinced he didnt even look at tape of our team before he came here.

He came here thinking "I'm from Penn State. This is Miss State who is never any good. They should be happy with whatever they get."

He had:

1) The Nations best defense
2) The top running QB in SEC history (i think)

and he ran that offense to 8-5. Absolutely brutal.

The irony is that team was Mullen's best chance to win a Natty and he left it. People may think that is crazy but its not.

My guess is he thought he could make Fitzgerald into a better passer. Not having the portal to add WR's hurt us that year too.

Given what he had he should have adjusted better because we had players to work with. That or hired a coach with a similar system as Dan.

I don't think your last sentence is crazy at all.

[Todd4State]

I don’t know why Joe’s opinion matters to us anymore. Been there, done that, got the tee shirt , didn’t fit, threw it in the trash.

Well, what he said about MSU in the interview was misleading at best and it sounds to me like he is blaming us for having too high expectations. He deserves to be called out by MSU fans because he wasn't fired for losing to Ole Miss and really he wasn't even fired for not winning games. He was fired because he lost control of the team and MSU realized it was only going to get worse if he remained. Did he mention anything about Tutor Gate? No. Any mention of the Gay/Shrader fight and players missing bowl practice and the team hotel smelling like Cheech and Chong rented it out for the week? Nope. I give MSU credit for firing him because any other time in our football history we would have retained him for getting to a bowl and beating Ole Miss. And that game he beat Ole Miss? Yeah- the one his team almost pissed away at the end because we let an Ole Miss receiver get behind our secondary on fourth and forever? And only won because Ole Miss decided to try to make fun of MSU and karma beat them? Good job Joe.**

And then to say that Leach wasn't any better than he was when Leach had to clean up his mess and left MSU because he passed away after cleaning up his mess is kind of shitty on several different levels.

And even Arnett- he may be better as a head coach than Zach but that's very debatable. Arnett was essentially fired for the same reasons Joe was except Zach's stuff was mostly kept in MSU circles. Zach switched up the offense and failed because it didn't fit the players. And yes, Barbay's offense was statistically worse than Joe's so I guess I'll ask Moorhead what his shiny turd size is and send him a trophy. And just like Joe, Zach was losing control of the team. And just like 2019 MSU intervened. That said- at least Arnett has a better excuse for failing given the situation.

[Todd4State]

Moorhead was worse than Croom, by a lot.

I'm convinced he didnt even look at tape of our team before he came here.

He came here thinking "I'm from Penn State. This is Miss State who is never any good. They should be happy with whatever they get."

He had:

1) The Nations best defense
2) The top running QB in SEC history (i think)

and he ran that offense to 8-5. Absolutely brutal.

The irony is that team was Mullen's best chance to win a Natty and he left it. People may think that is crazy but its not.

I will say this about Croom. If we had him coaching the team in 2018 with the exact same players he would have either won as many or more with that team as Joe did. And I think there is very good chance that Croom would have won at least two more games with that team.

[Todd4State]

Joe's tenure at Akron is more proof to me that James Franklin had him on a short leash offensively. Franklin helped him pack for Starkville and even programmed the GPS so he'd get there. I've heard from a Penn State alum that Franklin gave Joe ten plays to call and that was it. He used those ten plays and let Saquon Barkley be Saquon Barkley.

Not a bad way to do it in college. That worked for Leach for years.

I will say that may or may not be changing some with the new rules for offseason practice with OTAs and communication in the QB's helmet.

[SPMT]

Well, what he said about MSU in the interview was misleading at best and it sounds to me like he is blaming us for having too high expectations. He deserves to be called out by MSU fans because he wasn't fired for losing to Ole Miss and really he wasn't even fired for not winning games. He was fired because he lost control of the team and MSU realized it was only going to get worse if he remained. Did he mention anything about Tutor Gate? No. Any mention of the Gay/Shrader fight and players missing bowl practice and the team hotel smelling like Cheech and Chong rented it out for the week? Nope. I give MSU credit for firing him because any other time in our football history we would have retained him for getting to a bowl and beating Ole Miss. And that game he beat Ole Miss? Yeah- the one his team almost pissed away at the end because we let an Ole Miss receiver get behind our secondary on fourth and forever? And only won because Ole Miss decided to try to make fun of MSU and karma beat them? Good job Joe.**

And then to say that Leach wasn't any better than he was when Leach had to clean up his mess and left MSU because he passed away after cleaning up his mess is kind of shitty on several different levels.

And even Arnett- he may be better as a head coach than Zach but that's very debatable. Arnett was essentially fired for the same reasons Joe was except Zach's stuff was mostly kept in MSU circles. Zach switched up the offense and failed because it didn't fit the players. And yes, Barbay's offense was statistically worse than Joe's so I guess I'll ask Moorhead what his shiny turd size is and send him a trophy. And just like Joe, Zach was losing control of the team. And just like 2019 MSU intervened. That said- at least Arnett has a better excuse for failing given the situation.

Facts. If we didn?t get pissed when a former coach talks shit about us then what does that say about the fan base?

I?m sure LSU fans would be thrilled if Curley Hallman talked shit about expectations and the school.

Croom and Joe can go 17 themselves. They are both hard headed douche bags who are wealthy thanks to MSU and its fans.

[99jc]

DICKHEAD can pound sand and kick rocks until hell freezes over! That is all!

[PMDawg]

My guess is he thought he could make Fitzgerald into a better passer. Not having the portal to add WR's hurt us that year too.

Given what he had he should have adjusted better because we had players to work with. That or hired a coach with a similar system as Dan.

I don't think your last sentence is crazy at all.

That's twice in the last decade that we had teams set up to win based on a certain offensive system/style, and instead elected to overhaul the system entirely in year 1. It's the epitome of stupidity, and it's why we're where we are instead of where we want to be. We've done this to ourselves, and now we're staring at a complete rebuild under a new coach and just hoping to win 4, 5 or 6 games instead of expecting to be in the 7 to 10 win range. Our ADs, President, and "Cigar Boys" have failed at almost every turn (football wise) since 2017.

[BrunswickDawg]

That's twice in the last decade that we had teams set up to win based on a certain offensive system/style, and instead elected to overhaul the system entirely in year 1. It's the epitome of stupidity, and it's why we're where we are instead of where we want to be. We've done this to ourselves, and now we're staring at a complete rebuild under a new coach and just hoping to win 4, 5 or 6 games instead of expecting to be in the 7 to 10 win range. Our ADs, President, and "Cigar Boys" have failed at almost every turn (football wise) since 1948.

FIFY

[Extendedcab]

Who cares, he is a washed up old fart coaching at App St with a losing record - who cares? I don't, I don't give him that kind of time in my head!

[mparkerfd20]

I say this as nicely as I can, because Joe thinks he's a nice guy. Joe go nicely **** yourself and then eat a dick and die.

[War Machine Dawg]

Honest question here, was Moorhead really that bad at State? In no way am I defending him but what would have constituted a good year and what truly were our expectations for him? I know he inherited one of the top ranked defenses in the country his first year, but Mullen went 9-4 the year prior with pretty much the same team. In fact our best season since hiring Mullen was our infamous 2014 Dak Prescott led 10-3 team that reached #1.

Outside of that we've averaged about 7 wins a season with Moorhead, Leach and Arnett combined. Again, I'm not taking up for Moorhead or even bashing him, I'm just curious as to what our expectations were then and we do we truly expect from Lebby for that matter?

It was virtually impossible to lose more than 5 games with the 18 team. If Mullen stayed one more year, there's no question we would've won 10 or 11 before the bowl game. Might've squeaked into the playoffs. That team had one of the two or three best defenses in school history, up there with 99 and 14. Returned an elite college QB on offense. Loaded on the OL, solid WRs and a highly talented (but egomaniacal) RB. Only winning 8 with that team is one of the worst coaching jobs I've seen. He never would've gotten Year 2 for that alone. Throw in the off the field stuff, and I'm convinced Moorhead might be a worse coach than Croom.

[Coach34]

Yeah- Croom could have gone 8-5 with the 2018 team. That was such a poor job of coaching

[Todd4State]

That's twice in the last decade that we had teams set up to win based on a certain offensive system/style, and instead elected to overhaul the system entirely in year 1. It's the epitome of stupidity, and it's why we're where we are instead of where we want to be. We've done this to ourselves, and now we're staring at a complete rebuild under a new coach and just hoping to win 4, 5 or 6 games instead of expecting to be in the 7 to 10 win range. Our ADs, President, and "Cigar Boys" have failed at almost every turn (football wise) since 2017.

What was sad is we made the same mistake twice within five years. Just incredibly botched from the start.

Your post is 100% spot on.

[Tbonewannabe]

It was virtually impossible to lose more than 5 games with the 18 team. If Mullen stayed one more year, there's no question we would've won 10 or 11 before the bowl game. Might've squeaked into the playoffs. That team had one of the two or three best defenses in school history, up there with 99 and 14. Returned an elite college QB on offense. Loaded on the OL, solid WRs and a highly talented (but egomaniacal) RB. Only winning 8 with that team is one of the worst coaching jobs I've seen. He never would've gotten Year 2 for that alone. Throw in the off the field stuff, and I'm convinced Moorhead might be a worse coach than Croom.

RB should have been Aeris but Moorhead was in love with Kylin.

[PGHBulldogBG]

Yeah- Croom could have gone 8-5 with the 2018 team. That was such a poor job of coaching

Croom went 8-5 with a team far less talented. He would have at minimum done that. And Croom was bad that just shows how awful Moorhead was

[Todd4State]

RB should have been Aeris but Moorhead was in love with Kylin.

Kylin is the better of the two. There's a reason he went to the NFL and Aeris didn't. Kylin's attitude isn't the best though. Which is why he didn't last and I think is in Canada.

That said, Moorhead could and should have used Aeris more than he did. His best 11 thing should have included two running backs since our best 11 included Kylin and Aeris.

[BrunswickDawg]

It was virtually impossible to lose more than 5 games with the 18 team. If Mullen stayed one more year, there's no question we would've won 10 or 11 before the bowl game. Might've squeaked into the playoffs. That team had one of the two or three best defenses in school history, up there with 99 and 14. Returned an elite college QB on offense. Loaded on the OL, solid WRs and a highly talented (but egomaniacal) RB. Only winning 8 with that team is one of the worst coaching jobs I've seen. He never would've gotten Year 2 for that alone. Throw in the off the field stuff, and I'm convinced Moorhead might be a worse coach than Croom.

The only thing I'd say that would have held back the 2018 team were the WR. You can't call them solid with the number of drops they had and lack of stats. However, that was also based on them performing in the SloMo offense. They may have been better in the Mullen offense. Malik Dear and Keith Mixon just disappeared under SloMo - and they had been productive under Mullen

[Tbonewannabe]

Kylin is the better of the two. There's a reason he went to the NFL and Aeris didn't. Kylin's attitude isn't the best though. Which is why he didn't last and I think is in Canada.

That said, Moorhead could and should have used Aeris more than he did. His best 11 thing should have included two running backs since our best 11 included Kylin and Aeris.

Aeris as a senior was better than Kylin as a freshman. Kylin should have been a change of pace back his freshman year and never should have been in on a 3rd down. Not included every 3 or so plays tapping his helmet.

[Todd4State]

Aeris as a senior was better than Kylin as a freshman. Kylin should have been a change of pace back his freshman year and never should have been in on a 3rd down. Not included every 3 or so plays tapping his helmet.

Kylin was a sophomore in 2018.

[Tbonewannabe]

Kylin was a sophomore in 2018.

Aeris was still the better all around back. Always fell forward. Could actually block and catch out of the back field. Wasn't a locker room cancer.

[Todd4State]

Aeris was still the better all around back. Always fell forward. Could actually block and catch out of the back field. Wasn't a locker room cancer.

The NFL disagrees

[BeardoMSU]

Aeris was still the better all around back. Always fell forward. Could actually block and catch out of the back field. Wasn't a locker room cancer.

Kylin was definitely a better pass catcher.

[Tbonewannabe]

The NFL disagrees

NFL drafts on physical measurables. Give me Aeris every day instead of old tap out.

[Todd4State]

NFL drafts on physical measurables. Give me Aeris every day instead of old tap out.

Nope. They draft on who the better player is. If Aeries was better then he would have made it in the NFL.

Also from what I have heard Aeries attitude wasn't always the best either.

[THE Bruce Dickinson]

Moorhead was worse than Croom, by a lot.

I'm convinced he didnt even look at tape of our team before he came here.

He came here thinking "I'm from Penn State. This is Miss State who is never any good. They should be happy with whatever they get."

He had:

1) The Nations best defense
2) The top running QB in SEC history (i think)

and he ran that offense to 8-5. Absolutely brutal.

The irony is that team was Mullen's best chance to win a Natty and he left it. People may think that is crazy but its not.

Croom was the worst and it's not even close. Arnett could have competed for the crown had he been allowed to stay longer.

I don't think Moorhead would have been here for a long time, but he had 2 winning seasons and 2 egg bowl wins. Croom lost to Maine at home. The end.

[THE Bruce Dickinson]

The NFL disagrees

Not a fair comparison.

By this logic Brock Purdy was a better player in college than Tim Tebow.

[Todd4State]

Not a fair comparison.

By this logic Brock Purdy was a better player in college than Tim Tebow.

Tebow had a better team that bailed his ass put constantly when he passed.

[EdwardDrayton]

That's Joe employing the Iceberg Principle defense of his tenure. We're only going to evaluate the obvious 20% above the waterline.

[THE Bruce Dickinson]

Tebow had a better team that bailed his ass put constantly when he passed.

He threw 88 TDs in college. For reference Dak threw 70.

Just take the L on this one.

[Todd4State]

He threw 88 TDs in college. For reference Dak threw 70.

Just take the L on this one.

That loaded team included guys like Percy Harvin at WR and Aaron Hernanadez.

Who was Dak throwing to at MSU and who was Purdy throwing to at Iowa State?

Tebow is no different than McElroy and McCarron at Alabama.

[MoreCowbell]

Nope. They draft on who the better player is. If Aeries was better then he would have made it in the NFL.

Also from what I have heard Aeries attitude wasn't always the best either.

NFL definitely favors measurables what are you even talking abou.

Yeah Todd just take the L, it happens to us all

[Todd4State]

NFL definitely favors measurables what are you even talking abou.

Yeah Todd just take the L, it happens to us all

There is no "L" to take. Kylin was better than Aeries. It doesn't matter if you are talking about measurables or as a player.

The real issue is both should have been on the field at the same time and that is where Moorhead failed.