Washington Husky QB update

[Coach34]

https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/uw-husky-football/a-lot-to-fix-uw-quarterbacks-offense-endure-difficult-scrimmage/


?This was an opportunity for us to learn,? coach Jedd Fisch said. ?The offense certainly got its tails kicked for the first hour of the scrimmage, and the defense probably wasn?t real happy with how they played the second half of the scrimmage.?

The defense largely dominated the affair, especially along the line of scrimmage, rarely allowing Rogers and freshman quarterback Demond Williams Jr. time to look farther than five yards down field. Washington?s defensive line got pressure almost any time it sent an extra linebacker. The offensive line was also called for two false starts and two holding penalties.


Rogers behind an OL that is not very good? No bueno

[Dawgology]

So…he’s still just hitting those 5 yards passes. Meh.��

[Dawgface]

Williams is supposed to be a mobile qb. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him get some playing time sooner rather than later if the OL is that bad.

[KOdawg1]

It's almost like he doesn't have the physical talent to be a difference maker. Much like I said for 4 years and got crucified for saying it.

"But look at the passing records!!!!"**

Cowboy Will is a good kid who is a decent QB but has serious limitations. He'll make a good coach some day.

[StarkVegasSteve]

It's almost like he doesn't have the physical talent to be a difference maker. Much like I said for 4 years and got crucified for saying it.

"But look at the passing records!!!!"**

Cowboy Will is a good kid who is a decent QB but has serious limitations. He'll make a good coach some day.

Will is what he is. We all said it when he transferred and I've said it every day since. He probably should have gone to WKU and played for Tyson Helton and Hollingshead. Yea I know Friend is there, but Will is comfortable with Drew because Drew was basically an extension of Mike when he was the asst QB coach for us.

[Matt3467]

What Leach was able to do with Rogers is amazing. I was really looking forward to seeing the post Rogers era with Leach. I hope he does well at UW.

[Coach34]

One thing that helps is that Washington's early schedule is ridiculously easy. The 2nd half of it? not so much.

[viverlibre]

I'm a big fan of his, but we all understand he's not mobile, doesn't have a strong arm and holds the ball too long (the holding of the ball too long I think is Leach thing he can likely overcome that). I hope he does well, but trying to follow Pennix is a huge lift.

[confucius say]

Wash record will be similar to ours.

Leach going 7-5 and 8-4 with a QB who is G5 from skill set, at best, and an average defense was amazing.

[Jarius]

Will is what he is. We all said it when he transferred and I've said it every day since. He probably should have gone to WKU and played for Tyson Helton and Hollingshead. Yea I know Friend is there, but Will is comfortable with Drew because Drew was basically an extension of Mike when he was the asst QB coach for us.

It was someone else's fault that the offense sucked every year he was here and it will be someone else's fault at Washington. Too much pride from the decision makers in that family to go to a lowly G5 school with that bunch. He will be broken in half or benched before the year is over.

[Brobi-wan]

I think Will is a good kid. I think some people in his family are typical OM people and that’s all I’ll say.

[PGHBulldogBG]

Fisch appears to be a good coach. He does have a depleted roster this year so he may only win 6 or 7 games, but what he did at Arizona from year 1 to year 3 is nothing short of a miracle. I’m not sure how he didn’t realize De Laura was not the best QB on the roster though until his injury, so his QB decisions are questionable.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Wash record will be similar to ours.

Leach going 7-5 and 8-4 with a QB who is G5 from skill set, at best, and an average defense was amazing.

Looking back, Leach winning 18 games, 10 SEC games, in 3 years with Will as the starter may have truly been his magnum opus. Like he took a G5, at best, QB with limited arm strength and concrete feet and won 10 games in the toughest conference in college football. That's absolutely incredible.

[BuckyIsAB****]

State fans suck!! Give money!! Support the kids!!!

Proceeds to run down a kid that gave more than anyone here through a literal shit ton of adversity for the school. That won the games you are trying to take away from him lol. Breaking all our records along the way. And running down a family you literally dont know a thing about is crazy.

Y?all a trip. Let it go. Hes a long way from WKU haha. Just keeps making y?all eat it. He must be pretty good because Bill Belicheck is pretty high on him. Hes in that building every day and Will is still the starter. Just like he was the starter when yall wanted Sawyer and jack Abraham. Where are they starting now?

Will won. Yall lost. And he still would bleed for this school. Yall acting like yall bleed monthly

[KOdawg1]

Any mention of Rogers is like a bat signal to this guy.

[confucius say]

Nobody is talking bad about will.
He's just not very talented physically. Makes good decisions and is accurate. Wish him the best.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Any mention of Rogers is like a bat signal to this guy.

Oh no man. I have let a many slide since he transferred. But this is crazy work

[BuckyIsAB****]

Like the very guy that literally said he would never go farther than WKU, is starting threads about him starting at a team that is a playoff contender every year. How many Ls can you take and not even know it

[Jarius]

A perennial playoff contender having a preseason Vegas win total of 6.5 should be a neon flashing light but it’s 100 % going to be blamed on someone else, just like it has been for almost a half a decade now.

[Coach34]

Like the very guy that literally said he would never go farther than WKU, is starting threads about him starting at a team that is a playoff contender every year. How many Ls can you take and not even know it

Dude- nobody said he would go no further the WKU so stop the strawman BS. I mentioned WKU because that seemed like a good fit for him. If I said he wouldnt get a offer better than that then please link it. I'm going to bet you cant because it doesnt exist.

Nobody has taken any L's on Will Rogers. He is exactly who many here have said he is. To top it off- all I did was link an article about their scrimmage. And we will link things about him all season in 2024. We gonna see how it goes for him this season. He has a weak schedule to begin the season so he should roll in the 2nd half when it gets tougher. He will be comfortable in the system by then.

[Todd4State]

Looking back, Leach winning 18 games, 10 SEC games, in 3 years with Will as the starter may have truly been his magnum opus. Like he took a G5, at best, QB with limited arm strength and concrete feet and won 10 games in the toughest conference in college football. That's absolutely incredible.

That's the magic of Mike Leach. A lot of people credit the Air Raid for it and I think there is some truth to that. But I think at his core he was a GREAT coach. As quirky as he was he was able to get everyone on the same page and had the respect of his players. You could tell that they loved playing for him. Really remarkable and there are so many things that people can learn from him. When he passed away he had gotten us back to where we were under Dan. 9 wins and a NYD bowl type of team in year three. It's really sad that we didn't get to see what his offense would have been under Chris Parson and later Kamario Taylor. They would have surpassed Will's records.

[Todd4State]

It was someone else's fault that the offense sucked every year he was here and it will be someone else's fault at Washington. Too much pride from the decision makers in that family to go to a lowly G5 school with that bunch. He will be broken in half or benched before the year is over.

I will say this- it's not like players just get to pick where they go. It has to be mutual. If his ceiling is WKU then Washington wouldn't have take him.

I think Will has talent. He has had success at this level. That isn't up for debate. The biggest issues I saw with him were that he at times tried to do too much and it caused him to play tight- see the 2022 Egg Bowl. The other big issue I saw and I think it kind of goes hand in hand with playing too tight is he took too long to make decisions a lot of times. In his case that caused him to miss reads at times- remember how on Genespage fans would show clips of wide open receivers that Will would just not throw the ball too and just check it down? It caused him to not attack deep at times when there were opportunities and he should have taken the opportunity to do so. And yes, his arm isn't the strongest and he wasn't very mobile but he was crazy accurate and when he got hot and relaxed he was very good at times. For him to make it at the next level he is going to have to get past that and I hoped early in his career that would happen as he became an upper classman but it's getting to the point where he is running out of time.

[Jarius]

I will say this- it's not like players just get to pick where they go. It has to be mutual. If his ceiling is WKU then Washington wouldn't have take him.

I think Will has talent. He has had success at this level. That isn't up for debate. The biggest issues I saw with him were that he at times tried to do too much and it caused him to play tight- see the 2022 Egg Bowl. The other big issue I saw and I think it kind of goes hand in hand with playing too tight is he took too long to make decisions a lot of times. In his case that caused him to miss reads at times- remember how on Genespage fans would show clips of wide open receivers that Will would just not throw the ball too and just check it down? It caused him to not attack deep at times when there were opportunities and he should have taken the opportunity to do so. And yes, his arm isn't the strongest and he wasn't very mobile but he was crazy accurate and when he got hot and relaxed he was very good at times. For him to make it at the next level he is going to have to get past that and I hoped early in his career that would happen as he became an upper classman but it's getting to the point where he is running out of time.

His ceiling as far as a roster spot isn’t WKU. There are plenty of G5 talents on our roster as well. Leach is the only coach in the country that could pull off what he did. Leach was special. It’s going to go very poorly on offense at Washington. It already is.

[Coach34]

And another fun thing we get to watch this season is how Western Kentucky with Friend and Houston with Barbay does in 2024.

[StarkVegasSteve]

And another fun thing we get to watch this season is how Western Kentucky with Friend and Houston with Barbay does in 2024.

I will be wildly interested to see how both do. More so Barbay than Friend. I think Tyson Helton will still want to run HIS offense at WKU. Be very interesting to see how much free reign Fritz gives Barbay with Donovan Smith.

[RockyDog]

If Will was this big stud QB that Bucky wants him to be then he should have overcome Barbrady last year with his massive talent. He didn’t. He stunk it up just like the rest and is going to stink it up in Washington.

Good luck to his concrete feet and noodle arm. He’s going to need it

[Coach34]

If Will was this big stud QB that Bucky wants him to be then he should have overcome Barbrady last year with his massive talent. He didn’t. He stunk it up just like the rest and is going to stink it up in Washington.

Good luck to his concrete feet and noodle arm. He’s going to need it

last year's Egg Bowl was a real snapshot of Rogers. Late 3rd or early 4th Q- big drive...Perfect call by the OC for a big play and likely TD. Rogers passes on taking the deep shot for the TD to the WR breaking open on our sideline- instead throwing a 5 yard route.

That's pretty much who he will be at Washington also.

[StarkVegasSteve]

If Will was this big stud QB that Bucky wants him to be then he should have overcome Barbrady last year with his massive talent. He didn’t. He stunk it up just like the rest and is going to stink it up in Washington.

Good luck to his concrete feet and noodle arm. He’s going to need it

Will played his heart out for us. I'll never say he didn't. He has a lot of physical limitations that will prevent him from making it to the next level or being a difference maker P5 QB. Again, Leach took Will's limitations and masked them better than any coach could have done or will do.

[RockyDog]

Will played his heart out for us. I'll never say he didn't. He has a lot of physical limitations that will prevent him from making it to the next level or being a difference maker P5 QB. Again, Leach took Will's limitations and masked them better than any coach could have done or will do.

And Will chose to stay. The portal was available to him just like everybody else. Yet Bucky and his crew want to blame everybody else for his shortfalls. If big mean ol Arnett fooled the Rogers family then that’s on them. They should have done their research into Barbrady and his system.

[confucius say]

Dude- nobody said he would go no further the WKU so stop the strawman BS. I mentioned WKU because that seemed like a good fit for him. If I said he wouldnt get a offer better than that then please link it. I'm going to bet you cant because it doesnt exist.

Nobody has taken any L's on Will Rogers. He is exactly who many here have said he is. To top it off- all I did was link an article about their scrimmage. And we will link things about him all season in 2024. We gonna see how it goes for him this season. He has a weak schedule to begin the season so he should roll in the 2nd half when it gets tougher. He will be comfortable in the system by then.

Not exactly fair. Wash roster is a complete crap show. They are staring at 5-7.
Will doesn't help that because he is not an impact player. But he walked into a bad situation, too.

[StarkVegasSteve]

And Will chose to stay. The portal was available to him just like everybody else. Yet Bucky and his crew want to blame everybody else for his shortfalls. If big mean ol Arnett fooled the Rogers family then that’s on them. They should have done their research into Barbrady and his system.

I mean in their defense, Arnett fooled a lot of people. He fooled two people to even get the job in the first place. I still say that if his true intentions would've been known, we would've just named him the interim and never given him the full time gig without interviewing others.

[HancockCountyDog]

And Will chose to stay. The portal was available to him just like everybody else. Yet Bucky and his crew want to blame everybody else for his shortfalls. If big mean ol Arnett fooled the Rogers family then that’s on them. They should have done their research into Barbrady and his system.

Gotta call BS on this. If Arnett told Will that he isn't changing the offense and then he clearly did change the offense, that is on Arnett. Everyone knew that Will was a system QB. He was damn good in the Leach system. In any other system he was not going to look good. This isn't hard. Arnett screwed Will, himself and MSU when he decided to switch systems. If he stays with the Leach system, my guess is that he is still the coach at MSU.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Gotta call BS on this. If Arnett told Will that he isn't changing the offense and then he clearly did change the offense, that is on Arnett. Everyone knew that Will was a system QB. He was damn good in the Leach system. In any other system he was not going to look good. This isn't hard. Arnett screwed Will, himself and MSU when he decided to switch systems. If he stays with the Leach system, my guess is that he is still the coach at MSU.

Then thank the good lord he ditched that system. We'd be stuck with a stick in the mud HC telling us all that the coaches need to be more prepared for the 17th week in a row

[Coach34]

Not exactly fair. Wash roster is a complete crap show. They are staring at 5-7.
Will doesn't help that because he is not an impact player. But he walked into a bad situation, too.

5-7?

Weber St
E. Michigan
Washington St
Northwestern
@Rutgers
@Indiana
USC
UCLA

They have a chance to win every one of those games for 8 wins

[RockyDog]

5-7?

Weber St
E. Michigan
Washington St
Northwestern
@Rutgers
@Indiana
USC
UCLA

They have a chance to win every one of those games for 8 wins

They can't help but pave the way with excuses when Captain Dink and Dunk looks like what we all know he will look like.

[StarkVegasSteve]

5-7?

Weber St
E. Michigan
Washington St
Northwestern
@Rutgers
@Indiana
USC
UCLA

They have a chance to win every one of those games for 8 wins

Yea even with all they lost, they are markedly better than 7 of those 8 teams. I mean say what you want, but Will is used to SEC passing windows. I don't think the Rutgers DBs are going to have the type of closing speed as the DBs from even Arkansas. And also, Fisch won't be afraid to change QBs. He may do it late and it costs them a game, ala De Laura vs. Fifita, but he will pull the trigger and go the freshman if he thinks they can win games.

[Jarius]

They can't help but pave the way with excuses when Captain Dink and Dunk looks like what we all know he will look like.

Yep. In one breath we have to hear how elite he is for getting an offer from Washington and the next we have to hear how sh*tty their roster is and he can’t help it.

[Mjoelner34]

last year's Egg Bowl was a real snapshot of Rogers. Late 3rd or early 4th Q- big drive...Perfect call by the OC for a big play and likely TD. Rogers passes on taking the deep shot for the TD to the WR breaking open on our sideline- instead throwing a 5 yard route.

That's pretty much who he will be at Washington also.

Actually, there were 2 people open for TDs on that play. One on the 15 and another one at the 10. There was a safety back between the receivers but he was 10yds away from either one of them.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Actually, there were 2 people open for TDs on that play. One on the 15 and another one at the 10. There was a safety back between the receivers but he was 10yds away from either one of them.

You know there was like a 2 week stretch from Auburn to Arky in 2021 where Will played with no fear and just let it rip.....I never saw that Will again.

[PGHBulldogBG]

You know there was like a 2 week stretch from Auburn to Arky in 2021 where Will played with no fear and just let it rip.....I never saw that Will again.

If I recall he played pretty well in a stretch in 2022 as well against aTm, Ark and someone else. The issue with Rogers was consistency and once he made a mistake he would play scared after that mistake. He was definitely not the right QB for Arnetts system but that doesn’t mean he won’t be successful at Washington. I wish him all the best.

[Coach34]

You know there was like a 2 week stretch from Auburn to Arky in 2021 where Will played with no fear and just let it rip.....I never saw that Will again.

He did play a helluva game vs Auburn the last 2 1/2 Q's of that game

[StarkVegasSteve]

He did play a helluva game vs Auburn the last 2 1/2 Q's of that game

And maybe it was just a "I've got nothing to lose attitude because we're down 3 TDs" but I wish he would've played with it a little more.

[confucius say]

5-7?

Weber St
E. Michigan
Washington St
Northwestern
@Rutgers
@Indiana
USC
UCLA

They have a chance to win every one of those games for 8 wins

They aren't beating Rutgers or usc. They may can get to 6.

[Lord McBuckethead]

I love how we run down our former players. Seriously guys. I want Will to look at MSU in a good light.

[Lord McBuckethead]

He did play a helluva game vs Auburn the last 2 1/2 Q's of that game

Other than KJ Costello at LSU, that is the best I have seen a throwing QB play in our Jersey. Will absolutely destroyed Auburn for 2 quarters and about 3 minutes.

[Cooterpoot]

Will had a career 6.3 yard average depth of target. The lowest in the history of the PFF college era (2014). Good luck to him. I don't hate him, he just isn't some great QB.

[Goldendawg]

Appreciate what he and Leach did, but the Leach "air raid" bored me to tears. The Croom "Doom", SlowMO, and whatever Zack and Co. were trying to do are also filed away with the Shira years. Looking forward to an exciting "O" under Lebby. 6-6 floor. Hail State!

[Brobi-wan]

That and a Baseball L. He has good intentions. I don?t think remembering Will as an average QB with an above average coach is a bad thing. It?s just the truth. He was a great ambassador for State, stayed out of trouble, etc. If you?ve ever seen him in person you?ll also realize how tough the guy was to take some of the hits he did. He was not a big guy at all. I saw him in Chipotle a good bit and he was just not a big dude. No chance he weighs 216 that Washington has him listed at. If he does, they have him on one hell of a program.

[msstate7]

Will will always stir up a fight...

[RockyDog]

I love how we run down our former players. Seriously guys. I want Will to look at MSU in a good light.

He chose to leave. Good riddance. Did you celebrate Dillon’s natty game too? Screw that.

[Todd4State]

He chose to leave. Good riddance. Did you celebrate Dillon?s natty game too? Screw that.

I know some MSU fans certainly did. And nothing wrong with that.

When coaches leave for whatever reason there is going to be a lot of player turnover going forward. It's just how it is in this era. It's not going to end happily for every player. Will did not choose for Leach to pass away. He stayed with us one year after regardless along with many of our other players like Bookie, Jett, Tulu, etc. and it wasn't just Will that was lied to by the last staff. It wasn't their fault that MSU decided to cater to boosters friends for their last season at MSU and choose to hire people that were in over their heads and wanted to do something that was never going to work here. The truth is none of the players liked Barbay's offense and Arnett lost their respect hence why Selmon fired him.

[Todd4State]

His ceiling as far as a roster spot isn?t WKU. There are plenty of G5 talents on our roster as well. Leach is the only coach in the country that could pull off what he did. Leach was special. It?s going to go very poorly on offense at Washington. It already is.

Coaches at P4 programs do not take players that they think are G5 talent. That doesn't make any sense.

[Todd4State]

I mean in their defense, Arnett fooled a lot of people. He fooled two people to even get the job in the first place. I still say that if his true intentions would've been known, we would've just named him the interim and never given him the full time gig without interviewing others.


Gotta call BS on this. If Arnett told Will that he isn't changing the offense and then he clearly did change the offense, that is on Arnett. Everyone knew that Will was a system QB. He was damn good in the Leach system. In any other system he was not going to look good. This isn't hard. Arnett screwed Will, himself and MSU when he decided to switch systems. If he stays with the Leach system, my guess is that he is still the coach at MSU.

That is the one thing that really confused me about Arnett. Why would you tell people that you are going to do one thing really in the interest of keeping players that don't fit what you want to do? A lot of fans would have disagreed with changing offenses so drastically and yes it would have sucked for the players to have to change schools at the time and some fans would have felt bad for them but at least there would have been respect in the form of transparency.

[SpaceBully]

MSU fans dream about him failing. They live to see him fail. In fact, most MSU fans (whether male or female) will orgasm all over themselves if he fails. They'll think they've died and gone to Heaven if he fails. Rogers really rents a lot of free space in MSU fan's minds.

[viverlibre]

MSU fans dream about him failing. They live to see him fail. In fact, most MSU fans (whether male or female) will orgasm all over themselves if he fails. They'll think they've died and gone to Heaven if he fails. Rogers really rents a lot of free space in MSU fan's minds.

Is that just our few vocal fans on social media and message boards? Whenever I talk in person to another fan, they always speak highly of Will. For whatever reason, our most negative (and usually dumbest) fans post the most. It makes us look bad as a fan base, other fanbases don't dog their own program like we do.

[Pancho]

you are way out in space

[Brobi-wan]

MSU fans dream about him failing. They live to see him fail. In fact, most MSU fans (whether male or female) will orgasm all over themselves if he fails. They'll think they've died and gone to Heaven if he fails. Rogers really rents a lot of free space in MSU fan's minds.

You’re effing weird, dude. Nobody wants him to fail. If he does great at Wa we will be happy. If he doesn’t we’ll say, “He is what we thought he is.” With all that imagery, do you keep his senior poster above your toilet or shower in case you prefer to sit when you pee?

[NCMSTFAN]

He chose to leave. Good riddance. Did you celebrate Dillon’s natty game too? Screw that.

I'm with you here, and I feel like that about every player who transfers out of our program. It's just hard for me to root on former players who leave on their own will. I can completely understand players looking for a better opportunity if the playing time isn't there for them or they get pushed out but when starters leave, I never root them on.

[ZedFedder]

If you cannot understand why Will left, I cannot help you.

My take on Will: He is not as good as Leach made him look, and he is not as bad as Arnett made him look either.

[Tbonewannabe]

If you cannot understand why Will left, I cannot help you.

My take on Will: He is not as good as Leach made him look, and he is not as bad as Arnett made him look either.

Arnett's offense was like an even shittier version of Moorhead's. No QB was going to look good.

[Coach34]

Arnett's offense was like an even shittier version of Moorhead's. No QB was going to look good.

disagree. We had no buy-in by the QB and WR's and that made it look worse than it was. Our WR's didnt block a soul- capping it off in the Egg Bowl when Tulu got our RB hurt so bad he cant even return this season. Stupid penalties by the other WR that is now at LSU. We'll see how he turns out there. Very interested to see how Houston looks this season.

[basedog]

Coaching decisions last year where as bad as bad can be. Terrible staff, in fact one of the worse staffs in my lifetime. We did lack talent at some positions, but we were poorly prepared and were so poor fundamentally with mistakes. Ain't no sugar coating this. I blame our staff not the players for the most part.

[Coach34]

When the players dont buy in- everything turns to shit. It was bad all around. Players lack of effort and care makes coaching look alot worse than it really is. Thats why guys are running wrong routes or not blocking who they are supposed to at times. Or guys get thrown out on the base paths

Case in point- I called a zone right running play last season. 4 of the 5 guys blocked it perfectly and it would have hit for a 15-20 yard gain had the 5th guy blocked it the way it was supposed to. He didnt- he went left to block the DE who was wide instead of coming down on the LB. When asked why he blocked left instead of right like the play was supposed to be blocked????? "That DE called me a bitch ass Coach. I cant let him disrespect me like that"

My HS OL looked poorly coached because of things like that all season. But it wasnt coaching. It was the players being selfish and doing their own things instead. That's what I saw with State's offense last season.

[Matt3467]

When the players dont buy in- everything turns to shit. It was bad all around. Players lack of effort and care makes coaching look alot worse than it really is. Thats why guys are running wrong routes or not blocking who they are supposed to at times. Or guys get thrown out on the base paths

Case in point- I called a zone right running play last season. 4 of the 5 guys blocked it perfectly and it would have hit for a 15-20 yard gain had the 5th guy blocked it the way it was supposed to. He didnt- he went left to block the DE who was wide instead of coming down on the LB. When asked why he blocked left instead of right like the play was supposed to be blocked????? "That DE called me a bitch ass Coach. I cant let him disrespect me like that"

My HS OL looked poorly coached because of things like that all season. But it wasnt coaching. It was the players being selfish and doing their own things instead. That's what I saw with State's offense last season.

Who's at fault when the players aren't buying in? Is it the players or the coaches fault? Now if it's just a selfish player here or there that wants to do their own thing that's on them but we're talking about nearly all, if not all, of the team last year looked and played like they didn't care. That's ultimately on Arnett's shoulders for not being the leader he was hired to be.

[Coach34]

Who's at fault when the players aren't buying in? Is it the players or the coaches fault? Now if it's just a selfish player here or there that wants to do their own thing that's on them but we're talking about nearly all, if not all, of the team last year looked and played like they didn't care. That's ultimately on Arnett's shoulders for not being the leader he was hired to be.

No doubt that it's ultimately on Arnette. But at the same time there is only so much that a coach can do. What I saw was a team with no buy-in then a situation that got worse and worse. Arnette obviously didnt handle things very well when it starting getting bad. But if you couldnt see that the QB and WR's were not on board then you arent very observant. We were faced with the prospect of riding it out and letting Arnette re-do the roster or cutting bait to go another direction. Things had gotten pretty bad so we cut bait and I have no problem with it. Lebby has come in and rebuilt the roster after losing lots of Sr's then running off some of the problems leftover from the previous season. A new start.

Looking forward to seeing our new offense and SEC football every weekend

[Matt3467]

No doubt that it's ultimately on Arnette. But at the same time there is only so much that a coach can do. What I saw was a team with no buy-in then a situation that got worse and worse. Arnette obviously didnt handle things very well when it starting getting bad. But if you couldnt see that the QB and WR's were not on board then you arent very observant. We were faced with the prospect of riding it out and letting Arnette re-do the roster or cutting bait to go another direction. Things had gotten pretty bad so we cut bait and I have no problem with it. Lebby has come in and rebuilt the roster after losing lots of Sr's then running off some of the problems leftover from the previous season. A new start.

Looking forward to seeing our new offense and SEC football every weekend

From the sounds of it we had a weak HC that was taken advantage of by some of the coaches he hired, Barbay and Friend being a couple of them. Can you blame the QB for not being with it when he was lied to?

Regardless at least all that is behind and we have a fresh start. I hope Lebby does well.

[BuckyIsAB****]

disagree. We had no buy-in by the QB and WR's and that made it look worse than it was. Our WR's didnt block a soul- capping it off in the Egg Bowl when Tulu got our RB hurt so bad he cant even return this season. Stupid penalties by the other WR that is now at LSU. We'll see how he turns out there. Very interested to see how Houston looks this season.

Thats a flat out lie haha and tulu was always an issue regardless of who the coach was. Remember it was Leach and wills fault we couldn?t get him the ball.

Then when it?s BP and the yacht club its on Tulu? Lol you have so many feet in your mouth I bet you can taste the fungus

[BuckyIsAB****]

Well when your head coach lies and brings in a snake, you get bit. Ask bookie Watson what happened after the Kentucky game and you will get all you need to know about arnett and the yacht club.

It was the worst coaching job in the history of MS State university

[Extendedcab]

I find it hard to believe, not being a coach and in the sports profession, that a really good defensive Coordinator can be such a crappy head coach. Something to me is NOT adding up here. I thought our 1st 2 games last year were OK - we won them, but something happened for the 3rd game against LSU and after. Arnett looked different, his demeanor, changed and his reaction to players and situations on the field were totally NOT him as we became used to when he was the DC.

What happened? This seems so weird to me!

[SPMT]

Well when your head coach lies and brings in a snake, you get bit. Ask bookie Watson what happened after the Kentucky game and you will get all you need to know about arnett and the yacht club.

It was the worst coaching job in the history of MS State university


What happened after Kentucky?

[Pancho]

Seems Jett will be a GA on Matt Brocks staff at UConn

[Brobi-wan]

What happened after Kentucky?

I guess we gotta ask Bookie lol

[Todd4State]

I mean in their defense, Arnett fooled a lot of people. He fooled two people to even get the job in the first place. I still say that if his true intentions would've been known, we would've just named him the interim and never given him the full time gig without interviewing others.


Gotta call BS on this. If Arnett told Will that he isn't changing the offense and then he clearly did change the offense, that is on Arnett. Everyone knew that Will was a system QB. He was damn good in the Leach system. In any other system he was not going to look good. This isn't hard. Arnett screwed Will, himself and MSU when he decided to switch systems. If he stays with the Leach system, my guess is that he is still the coach at MSU.


Who's at fault when the players aren't buying in? Is it the players or the coaches fault? Now if it's just a selfish player here or there that wants to do their own thing that's on them but we're talking about nearly all, if not all, of the team last year looked and played like they didn't care. That's ultimately on Arnett's shoulders for not being the leader he was hired to be.


From the sounds of it we had a weak HC that was taken advantage of by some of the coaches he hired, Barbay and Friend being a couple of them. Can you blame the QB for not being with it when he was lied to?

Regardless at least all that is behind and we have a fresh start. I hope Lebby does well.

You nailed it. You can't lie to your players and then expect them to buy in. Hard to respect a liar.

[Todd4State]

Thats a flat out lie haha and tulu was always an issue regardless of who the coach was. Remember it was Leach and wills fault we couldn?t get him the ball.

Then when it?s BP and the yacht club its on Tulu? Lol you have so many feet in your mouth I bet you can taste the fungus

Ah yes. All we had to do was "Feed Tulu" and everything would be better. Remember fans that wanted Tulu to play running back? That would have been a disaster. Ironically, it looks like Leach had him in the right spot the entire time.

[Todd4State]

Well when your head coach lies and brings in a snake, you get bit. Ask bookie Watson what happened after the Kentucky game and you will get all you need to know about arnett and the yacht club.

It was the worst coaching job in the history of MS State university

It wasn't just the offense that wasn't "bought in".


I find it hard to believe, not being a coach and in the sports profession, that a really good defensive Coordinator can be such a crappy head coach. Something to me is NOT adding up here. I thought our 1st 2 games last year were OK - we won them, but something happened for the 3rd game against LSU and after. Arnett looked different, his demeanor, changed and his reaction to players and situations on the field were totally NOT him as we became used to when he was the DC.

What happened? This seems so weird to me!

Truth is Arnett was an average at best DC who due to a tragedy was given a job he was completely unqualified for who was given a complete pass by our fans for years who blamed the offense on everything that went wrong. Arnett's dumb play calling cost us a a win in Athens in 2020. And his defense pissed away leads against Auburn in 2022 and Kentucky. We were literally being run by a high school coach by the time we were playing Texas A&M. Let's be honest- if we had a traditional coaching search Arnett would have maybe gotten an interview and that's as far as it would have gotten. His next job after MSU should have either been as DC at a blue blood or a HC at a G5 school like San Jose State where he could learn how to coach. He probably would have failed as a head coach wherever he went and probably would have been a forever DC.

[Leroy Jenkins]

Im curious to see how Barbay does at UH, unless Willie Fritz is running the offense.

[Coach34]

From the sounds of it we had a weak HC that was taken advantage of by some of the coaches he hired, Barbay and Friend being a couple of them. Can you blame the QB for not being with it when he was lied to?

Regardless at least all that is behind and we have a fresh start. I hope Lebby does well.

Yes I can blame the QB. Run the ****ing offense and stfu

[Coach34]

Seems Jett will be a GA on Matt Brocks staff at UConn

Which goes against everything Will's Daddy Bucky keeps posting. If you didnt like the guy- you wouldnt go work for him. I turned down a GA position for that exact reason

[Coach34]

Im curious to see how Barbay does at UH, unless Willie Fritz is running the offense.

Fritz didnt run Tulane's- he gave the OC the outline of what he wanted to see.

Fritz didnt hire Barbay without knowing what he liked to run, what he is capable of running, and what his offensive philosophy was. Fritz had access to film of every game we played last year- and hired Barbay. That tells me alot. Fritz has been a very successful coach and grabbed up Barbay quickly.

State fans need to realize that sometime- "its really is you- not me"

[Leroy Jenkins]

Fritz didnt run Tulane's- he gave the OC the outline of what he wanted to see.

Fritz didnt hire Barbay without knowing what he liked to run, what he is capable of running, and what his offensive philosophy was. Fritz had access to film of every game we played last year- and hired Barbay. That tells me alot. Fritz has been a very successful coach and grabbed up Barbay quickly.

State fans need to realize that sometime- "its really is you- not me"

And this is exactly why I want to see how Barbay does at UH. I think he had a lot of undeserved criticism. I liked his App State offense.

[Coach34]

agree

[Todd4State]

And this is exactly why I want to see how Barbay does at UH. I think he had a lot of undeserved criticism. I liked his App State offense.

Barbay had lost some of his play calling duties at App State before he came to us. That offense was Shawn Clark's more than anything. Before that Barbay was under McElwain who was a play caller at Central Michigan.

And now at Houston they have Shawn Bell as their QB coach who will have a lot of say in the offense. They have Barbay as the OC and TE coach LOL. A big reason why they brought Barbay in is because of his ties to the Houston area.

The guy is mediocre at best and no one respects him enough to let him run an offense completely on his own. If anything he gets more credit than he deserves for having a title while someone else is running the show.

[Coach34]

And now at Houston they have Shawn Bell as their QB coach who will have a lot of say in the offense. They have Barbay as the OC and TE coach LOL. A big reason why they brought Barbay in is because of his ties to the Houston area.

Cmon Todd. Ga Tech's OC coaches TE's. Why? So he can focus more on the total offense as opposed to coaching another position requiring full-time attention at practice

[Todd4State]

Cmon Todd. Ga Tech's OC coaches TE's. Why? So he can focus more on the total offense as opposed to coaching another position requiring full-time attention at practice

It's not a good look for a guy that had been coaching QB's the past few years.

He's not going to have to focus on the entire offense anyway with Bell there.

[Jarius]

Coaches at P4 programs do not take players that they think are G5 talent. That doesn't make any sense.

No they obviously don’t intentionally take G5 players, but they have plenty on their roster every year because they misevaluate. Washington’s coach couldn’t even figure out who the best quarterback on his roster was until halfway through the year last year at Arizona. Washington is going to struggle to get bowl eligible this year. They have a multitude of G5 players on that roster. So do we and every other mediocre p4 team.

[Jarius]

MSU fans dream about him failing. They live to see him fail. In fact, most MSU fans (whether male or female) will orgasm all over themselves if he fails. They'll think they've died and gone to Heaven if he fails. Rogers really rents a lot of free space in MSU fan's minds.

We have had a lot of orgasms over the past 4 years as we went a whopping 10-15 in SEC play under his offensive prowess. How dare we want better. We should shut up, donate money (that he took), and go enjoy feeding the other team’s baseball players.

[Coach34]

It's not a good look for a guy that had been coaching QB's the past few years

You put the best staff you can together and then work out the rest. Barbay is the OC for a reason. We'll see how it goes