Big 12 looking to expand

[Young dawg]

With the big 12 looking to expand and keep up with the other conferences, what SEC teams could yall see them going after?

[CaptainObvious]

Arkansas, Missouri, A&M, and the new Media Darling, Ole Miss!😳

[Dawgology]

Arkansas, Missouri, A&M, and the new Media Darling, Ole Miss!��

Off topic a bit but State reeeeeaaaalllly needs to start up a digital art/marketing program. Ole Miss is beating everyone’s azz in digital media and social engagement. You would think State would learn after a while but I guess not.

[Offshore Dawg]

Off topic a bit but State reeeeeaaaalllly needs to start up a digital art/marketing program. Ole Miss is beating everyone’s azz in digital media and social engagement. You would think State would learn after a while but I guess not.

Can't fix stupid.

[smootness]

No one will leave the SEC for the B12.

[PGHBulldogBG]

Big 12 can target all the SEC teams they want but they aren’t going to get any just yet. Depending on where college football goes in the next few years though then it might be possible to get some that might not make the cut.

[Young dawg]

No one will leave the SEC for the B12.
I mean big 12 supposedly is working on a deal to make it the highest paying conference. I would not be shocked if a sec school like lsu strongly considered it if they came calling. It would be a much easier conference to win and get a guaranteed playoff spot. However, you also wouldn?t get the benefit of the doubt if you lose a couple games that you may have in the sec.

[viverlibre]

Absolutely no one is leaving the SEC for the Big 12, that would be stupid. The next phase of CFB will be orchestrated by the SEC and Big 10. The ACC and Big 12 may be along for the ride, but they'll be in the back seat keeping their mouth shut.

[coachnorm]

Big 12 is NOT in the future Power2. The 40 team P2 is the future benchmark.

[DownwardDawg]

I mean big 12 supposedly is working on a deal to make it the highest paying conference. I would not be shocked if a sec school like lsu strongly considered it if they came calling. It would be a much easier conference to win and get a guaranteed playoff spot. However, you also wouldn?t get the benefit of the doubt if you lose a couple games that you may have in the sec.
Lol. LSU wouldn't even listen to the Big 12. LSU considers themselves on same level as Bama and Georgia. They ARE the SEC.

[CaptainObvious]

If the SEC walks away from the "have nots", in the current set up I don't even think the Big 12 would take the SEC leftovers. The leftovers(State included) will eventually be G6.

[viverlibre]

If the SEC walks away from the "have nots", in the current set up I don't even think the Big 12 would take the SEC leftovers. The leftovers(State included) will eventually be G6.

Every team currently in the SEC is safe, no one is involuntarily going anywhere.

IF the Big 10 really wanted an SEC school, that would be an interesting situation. I doubt any current SEC school would seriously consider leaving for the Big 10 (maybe Missouri?).

[Young dawg]

I don?t actually think any SEC teams would leave. I was just wondering who everyone thought would be the team to take the bait and jump ship if the money was right and they had an easier path to the playoffs

[CaptainObvious]

Every team currently in the SEC is safe, no one is involuntarily going anywhere.

IF the Big 10 really wanted an SEC school, that would be an interesting situation. I doubt any current SEC school would seriously consider leaving for the Big 10 (maybe Missouri?).

What is your reasoning for "every team is safe"? Because the big boys will always need someone to whip up on for those guaranteed wins? Those days ended with NIL and Free-Agency. The SEC does not need the have nots. The have nots need the SEC, The conference just adding to more Haves to that Voting Block. Once the Super Division is formed, there will be no need for whipping boys. It will be like the NFL. A team could have 4 losses and win a NC because of RPI or whatever computer data they will be using.

State has one hope to survive a big big move by the Elites! A couple of Billionaire benefactors who don't give a crap about Academics, but just want to have winning Athletics programs!

While the Elites were building temples to the Football Programand Shrines for players and coaches. State was building parking lots for the band hall and a short cut from "The Spaceship" to Collegeview, eliminating another Parking area close to the Athletics facilities. Instead of building parking areas closer to Athletics facilities, State is making "Green Spaces" for the "Flower Children" to sit in and braid Clover Hair Bands!

[Quaoarsking]

The Big 12 will expand to take the midlevel ACC left overs after the SEC and Big 10 carve up the conference. Schools like Georgia Tech, Miami, and NC State will have a landing spot there if they can't get into the Power 2.

[coachnorm]

Every team currently in the SEC is safe, no one is involuntarily going anywhere.

IF the Big 10 really wanted an SEC school, that would be an interesting situation. I doubt any current SEC school would seriously consider leaving for the Big 10 (maybe Missouri?).

If Disney determines Vanderbilt is a financial liability, Disney will properly dispose of the dead weight. Big money is being invested for a ROI. Insofar as Mississippi State is concerned, MSU can be considered a top 40 program for the Power2 model and will be safe from relegation. The same is probably in effect for Rutgers in the BIG. We are heading to an NFC vs AFC model. That is a monetary not sports model as I see it.

[mparkerfd20]

IF, big IF, the SEC starts cutting current members anytime soon we most definitely will be in the Top 5 of teams cut along with Vanderbilt, Missouri, South Carolina, and maybe Arkansas.

[coachnorm]

IF, big IF, the SEC starts cutting current members anytime soon we most definitely will be in the Top 5 of teams cut along with Vanderbilt, Missouri, South Carolina, and maybe Arkansas.

You have stated Missouri, South Carolina, Arkansas, plus Mississippi State. There are not a lot of programs better to replace them. The BIG will add two more with the SEC adding four. Once the finalization occurs with 4 SEC additions and possibly 5 with Vandy relegation, who out there is better than those four.

[viverlibre]

What is your reasoning for "every team is safe"? Because the big boys will always need someone to whip up on for those guaranteed wins? Those days ended with NIL and Free-Agency. The SEC does not need the have nots. The have nots need the SEC, The conference just adding to more Haves to that Voting Block. Once the Super Division is formed, there will be no need for whipping boys. It will be like the NFL. A team could have 4 losses and win a NC because of RPI or whatever computer data they will be using.

State has one hope to survive a big big move by the Elites! A couple of Billionaire benefactors who don't give a crap about Academics, but just want to have winning Athletics programs!

While the Elites were building temples to the Football Programand Shrines for players and coaches. State was building parking lots for the band hall and a short cut from "The Spaceship" to Collegeview, eliminating another Parking area close to the Athletics facilities. Instead of building parking areas closer to Athletics facilities, State is making "Green Spaces" for the "Flower Children" to sit in and braid Clover Hair Bands!

The SEC is going to keep its power (and the Big 10 will too), the SEC/BIG 10 will not be part of the path forward, they ARE the path forward. The SEC is a nice cohesive unit, everyone will stay together, plus the close travel makes a ton of sense. The SEC power schools aren't going to give up power to form another division. Bama, UGA, UF probably drive many conference decisions, we go along to get along and don't make a ton of waves. Bama/UGA aren't leaving their comfy conference and joining a conference with TOSU, Michigan, USC, etc, all who'd demand as much influence as Bama/UGA. It's yet to be seen how being spread across the country will workout for the Big 10.

[was21]

Off topic a bit but State reeeeeaaaalllly needs to start up a digital art/marketing program. Ole Miss is beating everyone’s azz in digital media and social engagement. You would think State would learn after a while but I guess not.

It's not that State's powers that be are unaware. It's just that they don't take trying to be the best in football seriously. OM does.

[Offshore Dawg]

With the big 12 looking to expand and keep up with the other conferences, what SEC teams could yall see them going after?

Do any of us really give a shit what that conference wants to do.

[DownwardDawg]

What is your reasoning for "every team is safe"? Because the big boys will always need someone to whip up on for those guaranteed wins? Those days ended with NIL and Free-Agency. The SEC does not need the have nots. The have nots need the SEC, The conference just adding to more Haves to that Voting Block. Once the Super Division is formed, there will be no need for whipping boys. It will be like the NFL. A team could have 4 losses and win a NC because of RPI or whatever computer data they will be using.

State has one hope to survive a big big move by the Elites! A couple of Billionaire benefactors who don't give a crap about Academics, but just want to have winning Athletics programs!

While the Elites were building temples to the Football Programand Shrines for players and coaches. State was building parking lots for the band hall and a short cut from "The Spaceship" to Collegeview, eliminating another Parking area close to the Athletics facilities. Instead of building parking areas closer to Athletics facilities, State is making "Green Spaces" for the "Flower Children" to sit in and braid Clover Hair Bands!

No charter member can be removed by vote or any other means. Now, I guess they could completely dissolve the SEC then start over. But that would be an extremely bold move.

[Coursesuper]

What is your reasoning for "every team is safe"? Because the big boys will always need someone to whip up on for those guaranteed wins? Those days ended with NIL and Free-Agency. The SEC does not need the have nots. The have nots need the SEC, The conference just adding to more Haves to that Voting Block. Once the Super Division is formed, there will be no need for whipping boys. It will be like the NFL. A team could have 4 losses and win a NC because of RPI or whatever computer data they will be using.

State has one hope to survive a big big move by the Elites! A couple of Billionaire benefactors who don't give a crap about Academics, but just want to have winning Athletics programs!

While the Elites were building temples to the Football Programand Shrines for players and coaches. State was building parking lots for the band hall and a short cut from "The Spaceship" to Collegeview, eliminating another Parking area close to the Athletics facilities. Instead of building parking areas closer to Athletics facilities, State is making "Green Spaces" for the "Flower Children" to sit in and braid Clover Hair Bands!

Some of what you say is true, but the last part is not and the parking that was eliminated is being replaced with a larger lot on the other side of McArthur. Maybe you to find need a better grasp of how state funding and grants work as opposed to athletics spending for facilities, which are vastly different. Some private donors will say this is what my $$ goes to and you can?t argue with that. I?m not saying that all is perfect but we are definitely doing more with less. That part will never change.

[StateDawg44]

A&M

[CaptainObvious]

Some of what you say is true, but the last part is not and the parking that was eliminated is being replaced with a larger lot on the other side of McArthur. Maybe you to find need a better grasp of how state funding and grants work as opposed to athletics spending for facilities, which are vastly different. Some private donors will say this is what my $$ goes to and you can?t argue with that. I?m not saying that all is perfect but we are definitely doing more with less. That part will never change.

I guess I go back to my main point then. We need a couple of Billionaire supporters of Athletics who will designate the kind of money to Athletics that our 2 most recent donors designated for Academics only.

[Offshore Dawg]

I guess I go back to my main point then. We need a couple of Billionaire supporters of Athletics who will designate the kind of money to Athletics that our 2 most recent donors designated for Academics only.

This is the underlining Theam with MSU anything. People always want somebody else to pay for it.

[CaptainObvious]

This is the underlining Theam with MSU anything. People always want somebody else to pay for it.

So you are saying the nickel and dimers are paying for all the NIL success the BlueBloods and a few wealthy second level programs are having? Surely you aren't that naive.

[The Federalist Engineer]

The End of the modern SEC will be when Texas, Alabama, Georgia, and Florida leave the SEC for a new Super Conference or the Super Big 10. They will then give Auburn, LSU, TAM, and Tennessee a chance to leave with them with lesser terms.

Then the "SEC" will become:

Arkansas, Missouri, Kentucky, Vandy, MSU, OM, South Carolina.

We will be left to fight for scraps of the ACC implosion like Louisville, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Georgia Tech, and NC State.

May not be that bad

[Coursesuper]

The End of the modern SEC will be when Texas, Alabama, Georgia, and Florida leave the SEC for a new Super Conference or the Super Big 10. They will then give Auburn, LSU, TAM, and Tennessee a chance to leave with them with lesser terms.

Then the "SEC" will become:

Arkansas, Missouri, Kentucky, Vandy, MSU, OM, South Carolina.

We will be left to fight for scraps of the ACC implosion like Louisville, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Georgia Tech, and NC State.

May not be that bad

I could actually see that happening.

[The Federalist Engineer]

I could actually see that happening.

That's how National Soccer leagues in Europe were going to change. All the bigger Clubs were going to make a super league and leave their home leagues. No longer play versus the smaller clubs in England, just have a league of the most prestigious teams in Europe.

But...

The fans went crazy. The Manchester United fans, for example, did not want their club to leave England and become a corporate European club. The police and governments advised the clubs they could not protect their physical property from rioters. Then one country or National League said the rouge clubs could not use their local city affiliation if they left the national league. Like "Manchester City" and "Manchester United" would then only be "City" and "United" and someone else could just pickup the brand and colors. In a world with no political unity, the European Super League united everybody to crush Wall Street Hedge funds, Russian Oligarchs, Saudi Sovereign Funds, and Media Conglomerates.

Nutty...

Imagine that the Alabama legislature renamed "UAB" as the "University of Alabama" and "Crimson Tide" and made the rouge school become "Tuscaloosa State Co-educational Polytech Institute". I wonder who actually owns the Marketing Rights for the public SEC colleges? I'm not saying Bama fans would support the other SEC fanbases like Manchester United fans, I think they would just piss on our grave. The European soccer fans stayed united, it was going full French Revolution, with the fans of the big-clubs leading the Revolution.

Link: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/22/sports/soccer/super-league-soccer.html

[viverlibre]

The End of the modern SEC will be when Texas, Alabama, Georgia, and Florida leave the SEC for a new Super Conference or the Super Big 10. They will then give Auburn, LSU, TAM, and Tennessee a chance to leave with them with lesser terms.

Then the "SEC" will become:

Arkansas, Missouri, Kentucky, Vandy, MSU, OM, South Carolina.

We will be left to fight for scraps of the ACC implosion like Louisville, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Georgia Tech, and NC State.

May not be that bad

You really think Bama, UF and UGA are going to leave a very good position, where they call the shots and join a conference with TOSU, Michigan, USC, etc., where they have to "share" power.

That's not happening.

There's absolutely no reason for them to do that. The new era of CFB will 60ish teams. The SEC/BIG 10 may add a team or two, but for the most part stay the same. The ACC/BIG 12 will have a seat at the kid's table, they'll be part of it, but have little say in what happens. They'll be happy to just be included.

There're won't be a ton of changes at the top for 5 years or so when the ACC buyout drops low enough it will make sense to pay it to leave.

[TrapGame]

A&M

That's the rumor.

Supposedly they think getting into the upper tier of the playoff echelon will be easier in the Big12.

And they didn't want Texas in the SEC.

[The Federalist Engineer]

That's the rumor.

Supposedly they think getting into the upper tier of the playoff echelon will be easier in the Big12.

And they didn't want Texas in the SEC.

Bye, rather have Texas anyway. You can get a direct flight to Austin, plus the Burrito places.

Replace TAM with North Carolina and Duke. Invite both.

[viverlibre]

Bye, rather have Texas anyway. You can get a direct flight to Austin, plus the Burrito places.

Replace TAM with North Carolina and Duke. Invite both.

A&M's not going anywhere. You don't go backward, that's just silly.

We're still several years away from any ACC teams being able to leave.

[SpaceBully]

If Disney determines Vanderbilt is a financial liability, Disney will properly dispose of the dead weight. Big money is being invested for a ROI. Insofar as MisTsissippi State is concerned, MSU can be considered a top 40 program for the Power2 model and will be safe from relegation. The same is probably in effect for Rutgers in the BIG. We are heading to an NFC vs AFC model. That is a monetary not sports model as I see it.

Then that means we become the new Vandy.

[SpaceBully]

If the SEC walks away from the "have nots", in the current set up I don't even think the Big 12 would take the SEC leftovers. The leftovers(State included) will eventually be G6.

Yeah...we'd join Memphis in the AAC.

[Jack Lambert]

That's the rumor.

Supposedly they think getting into the upper tier of the playoff echelon will be easier in the Big12.

And they didn't want Texas in the SEC.

It is the easiest path to the playoff. BYU will be in the play off before many SEC teams that BYU could not beat in that same year they make the playoff.

[CaptainObvious]

It is the easiest path to the playoff. BYU will be in the play off before many SEC teams that BYU could not beat in that same year they make the playoff.

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This 1000%!

With 12 team playoff, the path of least resistance is outside the power 2.

A couple of teams are going to win their conference and qualify that would struggle to beat the 8th place SEC team. That is why this system, though better than the previous, still doesn't fix the problem.

How many wild card teams have played in conference Championship with a chance to go to the Super Bowl? How many NFL teams have made playoffs with 9-7, 8-8 records?


There are still going to be 7-5 or 8-4 teams that are better than a 10-2 or 11-1 playoff qualifier.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

It is the easiest path to the playoff. BYU will be in the play off before many SEC teams that BYU could not beat in that same year they make the playoff.

But is "making the playoff" the goal of A&M, or is winning the Natty?

SEC teams may have a tougher path to the playoffs, but when we get there we don't get blown out like TCU. It's very hard to built a truly elite team if you can't sell those recruits on "playing the best" and your team doesn't gain experience vs elite teams in the regular season

If A$M wants to win anything, they should stay put. If they want a Playoff participation trophy, they should leave

[viverlibre]

But is "making the playoff" the goal of A&M, or is winning the Natty?

SEC teams may have a tougher path to the playoffs, but when we get there we don't get blown out like TCU. It's very hard to built a truly elite team if you can't sell those recruits on "playing the best" and your team doesn't gain experience vs elite teams in the regular season

If A$M wants to win anything, they should stay put. If they want a Playoff participation trophy, they should leave

A&M's not going anywhere. This is just silly, low hanging fruit speculation for the doldrums of summer.

[Jack Lambert]

But is "making the playoff" the goal of A&M, or is winning the Natty?

SEC teams may have a tougher path to the playoffs, but when we get there we don't get blown out like TCU. It's very hard to built a truly elite team if you can't sell those recruits on "playing the best" and your team doesn't gain experience vs elite teams in the regular season

If A$M wants to win anything, they should stay put. If they want a Playoff participation trophy, they should leave
You have to make the play off first to win it