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HoopsDawg
07-09-2024, 07:45 PM
No surprise here. But impressive portal haul for UT.
Coach34
07-09-2024, 07:50 PM
Tenn flat out raping Mississippi
Coach34
07-09-2024, 07:50 PM
Curious to see who they hire next June
Pancho
07-09-2024, 08:00 PM
but doesn't bianca have the 7th best portal class in the nation and 5th in the sec behind ark, lsu, UT and a&m?
msstate7
07-09-2024, 08:04 PM
but doesn't bianca have the 7th best portal class in the nation and 5th in the sec behind ark, lsu, UT and a&m?
Where we at on this list?
Cooterpoot
07-09-2024, 08:09 PM
Where we at on this list?
There's really no list. It's all a guess. The one site everyone uses is pretty laughable with some of their ratings.
CaptainObvious
07-09-2024, 08:32 PM
There's really no list. It's all a guess. The one site everyone uses is pretty laughable with some of their ratings.
Must mean State.....I mean Lemonis.... is in the bottom 6 then. Not that former Ole Miss players would transfer to State anyway. Who was the last Rebel to become a Dog? Chris Lotterhos?
Coach34
07-09-2024, 08:35 PM
but doesn't bianca have the 7th best portal class in the nation and 5th in the sec behind ark, lsu, UT and a&m?
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">All of those numbers aside, here is the Top 10 from a numerical standpoint...if you wanted to back-calculate what adding a certain player would do for your team.<br><br>1. <a href="https://twitter.com/LSUbaseball?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@LSUbaseball</a> - 6.82502<br>2. <a href="https://twitter.com/BaseballUGA?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@BaseballUGA</a> - 6.76267<br>3. <a href="https://twitter.com/RazorbackBSB?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@RazorbackBSB</a> - 6.75197<br>4. <a href="https://twitter.com/UKBaseball?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@UKBaseball</a> - 6.67513<br>5. <a href="https://twitter.com/DukeBASE?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@DukeBASE</a>…</p>— 64Analytics (@64Analytics) <a href="https://twitter.com/64Analytics/status/1810756315490238826?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 9, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
No they dont
Homedawg
07-09-2024, 08:51 PM
but doesn't bianca have the 7th best portal class in the nation and 5th in the sec behind ark, lsu, UT and a&m?
Based on what? And has no returning players worth a crap to boot
Homedawg
07-09-2024, 08:53 PM
The rankings are based a ton on numbers, and uga has a huge class. A lot of them w bad numbers at their previous spots
Coach34
07-09-2024, 09:00 PM
Based on what? And has no returning players worth a crap to boot
They have lost 2 of their best players to the portal. Something that has yet to happen to us thanks to Lemon/Staff/Charlie
HoopsDawg
07-09-2024, 10:11 PM
but doesn't bianca have the 7th best portal class in the nation and 5th in the sec behind ark, lsu, UT and a&m?
Nah, they've picked up 2 nice OF's. That's about it.
No surprise here. But impressive portal haul for UT.
You can?t blame kids?Vitello matches the kids enthusiasm and is clearly a good coach.
If any of us were 19 and he showed interest, we?d go there immediately.
Someone will so no, or that they don?t like his antics. They probably didn?t like Cohen?s antics either?
HoopsDawg
07-09-2024, 10:23 PM
You can?t blame kids?Vitello matches the kids enthusiasm and is clearly a good coach.
If any of us were 19 and he showed interest, we?d go there immediately.
Someone will so no, or that they don?t like his antics. They probably didn?t like Cohen?s antics either?
He outworks other coaches and is great at developing relationships. That + their NIL budget makes him tough to beat. He's added arguably the best 2B, 3B and 1B in the portal.
He outworks other coaches and is great at developing relationships. That + their NIL budget makes him tough to beat. He's added arguably the best 2B, 3B and 1B in the portal.
This cannot be argued with. Add great evaluator.
Last I remember that was similar was Cohen.
Coach34
07-09-2024, 11:24 PM
Great recruiter
Can outspend everyone
Great college town
Great facilities
Wonder why he is doing so well?
Offshore Dawg
07-10-2024, 08:55 AM
Where we at on this list?
Somewhere between the "A" & "T".
Offshore Dawg
07-10-2024, 08:57 AM
The only thing that might help the little guys now is limiting roster sizes.
the_real_MSU_is_us
07-10-2024, 09:04 AM
The only thing that might help the little guys now is limiting roster sizes.
Removing the "1 time instant transfer" rule would help smaller programs in all sports. Then they'd only have to worry about grad transfers leaving for NIL deals. I could also see some kind of contract situation where players get NIL but have a "buyout" if they want to leave early. That means other schools not only have to offer a better NIL to the player, but want that player enough to pay the buyout which the other school can use to Portal in a replacement
confucius say
07-10-2024, 10:48 AM
Great recruiter
Can outspend everyone
Great college town
Great facilities
Wonder why he is doing so well?
3 of the 4 are directly attributable to TV.
The recruiter.
They weren't spending money before him.
And their facilities sucked before him.
Point being, it's about having the right guy. If we hired TV in 2018 instead of Lemonis we'd be a powerhouse.
Pancho
07-10-2024, 11:26 AM
confucius nails it again....... excellent post
Goldendawg
07-10-2024, 11:34 AM
3 of the 4 are directly attributable to TV.
The recruiter.
They weren't spending money before him.
And their facilities sucked before him.
Point being, it's about having the right guy. If we hired TV in 2018 instead of Lemonis we'd be a powerhouse.
Bucketman vs. Rocketman at this point.
Coach34
07-10-2024, 01:16 PM
3 of the 4 are directly attributable to TV.
The recruiter.
They weren't spending money before him.
And their facilities sucked before him.
Point being, it's about having the right guy. If we hired TV in 2018 instead of Lemonis we'd be a powerhouse.
I agree that he forced them to step up. But nothing I said was incorrect- all the points are true. Also- Tenn hired him a year before we hired Lemon. We had our own version of Vitello then before he self-imploded.
And I'll remind you- They have the same number of Nattys
StarkVegasSteve
07-11-2024, 08:57 AM
I agree that he forced them to step up. But nothing I said was incorrect- all the points are true. Also- Tenn hired him a year before we hired Lemon. We had our own version of Vitello then before he self-imploded.
And I'll remind you- They have the same number of Nattys
So much truth here. Cann was Vitello. They were a carbon copy of each other. We had our Vitello and the College Baseball world knew it. There was legitimate fear within college baseball when we hired Cann because everyone knew he was an ace recruiter and a motivator like none other. Cann keeping his head in the game and out of his phone may be the biggest what if in MSU baseball history. Right up there with Gene Morgan in 85.
SwaggerVance
07-11-2024, 09:43 AM
They have lost 2 of their best players to the portal. Something that has yet to happen to us thanks to Lemon/Staff/Charlie
I have been very critical of Lemonis, especially regarding his player development. However, C34 made a good point here. Theres no question that Lemon is a "players coach," and the guys seem to enjoy playing for him. The value of that can't be overstated in the current NIL/Transfer climate.
confucius say
07-11-2024, 09:46 AM
I agree that he forced them to step up. But nothing I said was incorrect- all the points are true. Also- Tenn hired him a year before we hired Lemon. We had our own version of Vitello then before he self-imploded.
And I'll remind you- They have the same number of Nattys
The points are true because they hired TV. Without him, none of that exists.
He would have walked to Starkville for our job in 2018 when we hired Lemonis.
Now that said, I'm not anti Lemonis like many. He can still be very good to great here. But he's not dynamic like a TV.
Tbonewannabe
07-11-2024, 09:56 AM
So much truth here. Cann was Vitello. They were a carbon copy of each other. We had our Vitello and the College Baseball world knew it. There was legitimate fear within college baseball when we hired Cann because everyone knew he was an ace recruiter and a motivator like none other. Cann keeping his head in the game and out of his phone may be the biggest what if in MSU baseball history. Right up there with Gene Morgan in 85.
That season before the wheels came off was pretty damn good. Cann had us like 9 outs away with a pitching staff about like we had in 22-23. That staff was the next man up all year.
StarkVegasSteve
07-11-2024, 10:00 AM
That season before the wheels came off was pretty damn good. Cann had us like 9 outs away with a pitching staff about like we had in 22-23. That staff was the next man up all year.
We had MULTIPLE position players log innings pitching. Hell Cole Gordon started the year as our backup 1B and ended the year as our Saturday starter. Cann taught that team to fight.
StateDawg44
07-11-2024, 10:57 AM
I agree that he forced them to step up. But nothing I said was incorrect- all the points are true. Also- Tenn hired him a year before we hired Lemon. We had our own version of Vitello then before he self-imploded.
And I'll remind you- They have the same number of Nattys
I'm willing to bet they will bounce back a little better than we did though lol. The trajectories of each program post 1st baseball natty couldn't be more opposite but you play dumb to help your stance.
If you were running the program you'd just ride the '21 season into the sunset and be ok with that and tell fans that's all we deserve and to lower expectations.
Coach34
07-11-2024, 11:12 AM
Injuries killed 22. You’re just being a hardheaded ass if you can’t acknowledge that
23 we were a young team. Certainly blame Lemon for not getting a couple more portals to fill out the team. Because he didn’t- his job was on the line this season.
24- he responded and got us back on track. Parker did a good job but the guys being a year older was also a big deal.
25- better respond again
confucius say
07-11-2024, 12:14 PM
Injuries killed 22. You’re just being a hardheaded ass if you can’t acknowledge that
23 we were a young team. Certainly blame Lemon for not getting a couple more portals to fill out the team. Because he didn’t- his job was on the line this season.
24- he responded and got us back on track. Parker did a good job but the guys being a year older was also a big deal.
25- better respond again
I mostly agree with this. 2022 was forgivable.
2023 was horrible job of running a program though.
2024 ok but we squandered a top 10 pitching staff.
2025 we better be in a super
mckeen
07-11-2024, 05:40 PM
How good was our haul in the year following our NC? LOL
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