Excitement Level for Football on a 1-10?

[confucius say]

I'm actually about a 8 to 8.5. Which is more than I've been in a few years. That's even though my expectations are low, just hoping for 6-6.
I think it's the expectation of being entertaining offensively.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Probably an 7. If we start 4-0 though, it will be a full throttle 10.

[Commercecomet24]

I would say a 9 because I'm excited to see what should be an exciting offense and Lebby in action. I think we can get to a bowl game this year but so many unknowns. Just give us some excitement instead of watching us get hammered by putting up 250 yards a game like last year lol

[Coach34]

3

And it’s that high because I’m excited to see Lebby’s O plans and playcalling

[Mjoelner34]

10 but expectations aren't sky-high either. I think we have the potential to make a lower bowl but even if we finish 5-7 and it looks like Mullen's 2009 where you saw definite improvement over 2008, I'll be ok. And I agree with the OP, the high expectation is due to the possibility of an exciting offense even if it doesn't hit its full stride this year.

[CaptainObvious]

10. With a record of 16-0!

I mean, for 4 years our fans have been hollering RTGDF and they are about to get a heavy dose of about 45-50 Running Plays per game with about 20-25 passes per game and 8-9 punts per game and 4-5 FG attempts per game. How could State NOT go 16-0?

[DownwardDawg]

5
Excited to see Lebby offense but I don't know the players anymore and I expect us to suck and ole miss is gonna be good. It may be a long season.

[SPMT]

5
Excited to see Lebby offense but I don't know the players anymore and I expect us to suck and ole miss is gonna be good. It may be a long season.

Same, but I think we do better because of Shapen.

He?s mature and a good athlete.

[bulldawg28]

8

[Leeshouldveflanked]

7

[parabrave]

5
Excited to see Lebby offense but I don't know the players anymore and I expect us to suck and ole miss is gonna be good. It may be a long season.

I second this. Just want to see what Lebbys O is going to do.

[Homedawg]

5
Excited to see Lebby offense but I don't know the players anymore and I expect us to suck and ole miss is gonna be good. It may be a long season.

Exactly this

[PGHBulldogBG]

5

[Cooterpoot]

8+
We won't be nearly as bad as some think and I don't have to watch sorry ass offense like I have since Mullen left. We'll get handled by the best teams but the rest will be ok.

[TheLostDawg]

3

And it’s that high because I’m excited to see Lebby’s O plans and playcalling

I am not to far from this. Having to listen to all the other fan bases around here being good is a killer. I will start getting more excited if we win our first 3. If we beat Florida then I'll start caring more. Competitive against Texas after starting 4-0 then I'm excited

[BeardoMSU]

8+
We won't be nearly as bad as some think and I don't have to watch sorry ass offense like I have since Mullen left. We'll get handled by the best teams but the rest will be ok.

Like^^!!!

[Cowbell]

6

Excited to see a fresh start and offense. Could care less about college football in general though. Looking forward to hunting this fall more than ever.

[SpaceBully]

4

[HoopsDawg]

Lowest it's ever been. 2.

I can't name 3 players.

[Beaver]

5...if we're just talking about State. +7 for new coach and new offense. -2 for bad defense and lack of proven talent across the board.
8 if we're talking about all of college football. Interested to see Texas and Oklahoma in the SEC and excited to see how the 12 team playoff works out. Curious to see Bama without Saban, and can't wait for OM to screw up somehow.

[MoreCowbell]

Lowest it?s ever been for me. Think Lebby will be a good hire but I am a 2 right now.

[bulldawg28]

I can't understand not being excited. It's the equivalent to having a new toy and seeing all it can do. If MSU ever becomes a one trick pony sports team like many are suggesting we become a national disaster and a forgotten nobody. Baseball is over! It's time for some football!

[Pancho]

5. one trick pony huh?

[bulldawg28]

5. one trick pony huh?

Absolutely, for those that think we're a baseball school only.

[KentuckyDawg13]

May peak to 3 if MSU wins.

[Cooterpoot]

Our fans suck worse than our athletic teams

[BrunswickDawg]

I'm at an 7 right now. Our HS starts band camp next week, and I'll be able to hear practice from my house in the evenings. That will bump me up to an 8 subconsciously because I'll be hearing fight songs and cadences while I enjoy the evening ocean breeze and a cocktail after a hot day. By mid August I'll be at a 9, and by kickoff I'll be my normal 10. How long I stay at a 10 depends on the team. I think we take our first 5 - yes I said it! Florida sucks. Texas is not ready to handle the SEC week in and week out. I'll be rolling into Athens at about a 15.

[msugolf]

About 100x more excited than reading about MSU baseball portal players and baseball in general

[was21]

6, but only because I now give college football at this level about a 4.

[gtowndawg]

6. It's the dog days of summer. Let the season get closer and everyone will start getting excited.

[Pancho]

Absolutely, for those that think we're a baseball school only.

aw, no telling then

[EdwardDrayton]

Ask again after the third game when we actually know something.

[TrapGame]

Our fans suck worse than our athletic teams

They need to go to the gynecologist and get that looked at.

I'm an 8 right now. We go 4-0 and I'll be 11.

[BeardoMSU]

They need to go to the gynecologist and get that looked at.

I'm an 8 right now. We go 4-0 and I'll be 11.

Each are carrying about a pound of course sand in their v@ginas...

[MBDawg601]

10. Nothing like fall and football. Saturdays wasted on the back porch with a cold drink and something on the grill watching non-stop college football. I do not get into all the politics of the sport, just enjoy it and take my mind off of the real world for a day.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

In this instant eligibility + NIL environment it's hard to care. Used to be we could count on a big school having a fatal flaw and I'd have hope we could exploit it; now they just buy a player to fix the flaw, while buying our best players (RaRa). I'll pull for a guy I think is all Dawg only to see him play Portal games for money and learn he doesn't give a crap about our team or university. I can't blame anyone for trying to make money... but I also don't want to root for those people.

I'm 2 right now, will probably be a 6 by game day after I get bored and start following the team closely. But last year I skipped some games and didn't miss it. If we start losing I could see putting a nice fall hike with my kids above a game

[Coach34]

College sports were last bastion of watchable competition for me. I havent watched MLB or NBA in a decade. I only watch the NFL because its on Sunday night after I get done with game prep for our next Friday opponent

Now with portal/NIL its just completely buying players. There is no more us vs them. It's just who we have rented for this season vs who they have rented for this season. I used to plan my Saturdays around the Big 3. Now its just whatever.

[sandjunky]

We play football?!?

[TheLostDawg]

In this instant eligibility + NIL environment it's hard to care. Used to be we could count on a big school having a fatal flaw and I'd have hope we could exploit it; now they just buy a player to fix the flaw, while buying our best players (RaRa). I'll pull for a guy I think is all Dawg only to see him play Portal games for money and learn he doesn't give a crap about our team or university. I can't blame anyone for trying to make money... but I also don't want to root for those people.

I'm 2 right now, will probably be a 6 by game day after I get bored and start following the team closely. But last year I skipped some games and didn't miss it. If we start losing I could see putting a nice fall hike with my kids above a game

Yeah this is my problem. Just hard to get too excited with where college sports has gone with nil

[Pancho]

86" TV makes much of the blather totally useless. I did love watching guys gloat and brag under a tent about how much cash they were slinging.. it was quite entertaining

[Cooterpoot]

In this instant eligibility + NIL environment it's hard to care. Used to be we could count on a big school having a fatal flaw and I'd have hope we could exploit it; now they just buy a player to fix the flaw, while buying our best players (RaRa). I'll pull for a guy I think is all Dawg only to see him play Portal games for money and learn he doesn't give a crap about our team or university. I can't blame anyone for trying to make money... but I also don't want to root for those people.

I'm 2 right now, will probably be a 6 by game day after I get bored and start following the team closely. But last year I skipped some games and didn't miss it. If we start losing I could see putting a nice fall hike with my kids above a game

You think AL and LSU and TX etc aren't beatable? There's more damn parity than there's been in a long time. We might not be able to handle them but there's almost no team that will dominate like AL used to.
Now we've got a portal era coach and we had a solid damn portal haul ourselves.

[confucius say]

You think AL and LSU and TX etc aren't beatable? There's more damn parity than there's been in a long time. We might not be able to handle them but there's almost no team that will dominate like AL used to.

Correct. Make the right hire at the top who can get the right qb and you can compete.

[BeardoMSU]

You think AL and LSU and TX etc aren't beatable? There's more damn parity than there's been in a long time. We might not be able to handle them but there's almost no team that will dominate like AL used to.
Now we've got a portal era coach and we had a solid damn portal haul ourselves.

Thank you!

[Goldendawg]

I'm at a 10 going in many years (Disregard Shira, Jackie's last three years, Croom years, JoMo after his first loss to KY, and Arnett after a game or two). Looking forward to Lebby and season ticket string of 55 or so years continues. We are undefeated and not the only program trying to win with 40 or so new players in this NIL/Portal mess! Hail State!

[Saltydog]

4.........NIL has sucked the life outta the sport for me..........

[CaptainObvious]

Lowest it's ever been. 2.

I can't name 3 players.

That might actually be a good thing! 😳😳

[HoopsDawg]

That might actually be a good thing! 😳😳

True! Crazy though. I used to know the 3 deep better than some of the coaches.

It's getting to be like college basketball where you have a new roster every year.

[Coach34]

True! Crazy though. I used to know the 3 deep better than some of the coaches.

It's getting to be like college basketball where you have a new roster every year.

exactly. As many of you know- I would do an SEC breakdown/prediction thread each year. Now I cant name 3 people on offense or defense

I am excited to see the offense and how we are able to move the ball. Arnett took the bullet and transitioned us away from the Airbone. Now this year we should be more physical and have supposedly added some talent to the O. We upgraded at QB as long as he can stay healthy.

[Brobi-wan]

7. I think the offense will be fun to watch no matter how many we win and I think it?s going to be a building year for 25. Time to get folks to buy in.

[TaleofTwoDogs]

Tempered 6. But in true Mississippi State style, our O will probably look inept while the D kicks butt. With MSU football, nothing surprises me anymore.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

You think AL and LSU and TX etc aren't beatable? There's more damn parity than there's been in a long time. We might not be able to handle them but there's almost no team that will dominate like AL used to.
Now we've got a portal era coach and we had a solid damn portal haul ourselves.

There's more parity AMONG THE TOP TEAMS, yes. I don't know if the Natty will be won by Bama, Texas, UGA, OSU, or LSU. But that doesn't mean we will beat any of them- it's more a case of "more teams using NIL to join the elite club" than it is "mediocre teams can now compete with the elite"

[confucius say]

There's more parity AMONG THE TOP TEAMS, yes. I don't know if the Natty will be won by Bama, Texas, UGA, OSU, or LSU. But that doesn't mean we will beat any of them- it's more a case of "more teams using NIL to join the elite club" than it is "mediocre teams can now compete with the elite"

Mizzou and Mississippi sucked 4 years ago, mediocre programs, and are now predicted playoff teams.

Hire the right guy, get the QB, fanbase gets ex$ited and you have a chance to compete.

[TrapGame]

Mizzou and Mississippi sucked 4 years ago, mediocre programs, and are now predicted playoff teams.

Hire the right guy, get the QB, fanbase gets ex$ited and you have a chance to compete.

Facts.

Mizzou was an auto win when Mullen was here. Drink has revitalized the program. I think we are going to be very similar to Mizzou in the next two or three years.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Facts.

Mizzou was an auto win when Mullen was here. Drink has revitalized the program. I think we are going to be very similar to Mizzou in the next two or three years.

Sure hope so. OM has always invested more $$$ than us so it's hard for me to buy that as a good comp, Mizzou though I can. If the offense is fun and effective and recruiting goes well and some NIL starts rolling in my excitement will be high for 2025. But right now I want to see something before I care too much

[Cooterpoot]

There's more parity AMONG THE TOP TEAMS, yes. I don't know if the Natty will be won by Bama, Texas, UGA, OSU, or LSU. But that doesn't mean we will beat any of them- it's more a case of "more teams using NIL to join the elite club" than it is "mediocre teams can now compete with the elite"

TCU is a top team? Nope and they were in the natty hunt. Michigan hasn't won a natty in forever but here they are. UGA won and lost, so no Alabama run.
Parity in the predicted playoff is obvious too and the expanded playoff is a huge opportunity as well. Things are better than they were. People hate to open paying of players but it's gone on under the table forever. The portal has changed things for the better.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

TCU is a top team? Nope and they were in the natty hunt. Michigan hasn't won a natty in forever but here they are. UGA won and lost, so no Alabama run.
Parity in the predicted playoff is obvious too and the expanded playoff is a huge opportunity as well. Things are better than they were. People hate to open paying of players but it's gone on under the table forever. The portal has changed things for the better.

They were not in the Natty hunt. They got blown the F out. Making the playoffs (largely about being consistent in the regular season and having a weak schedule) is not the same as actually being a contender for the Natty.

BUT, since you bring them up, TCU is not State. They have more resources than us, and a weak schedule. They had a great "up" year, then sucked the next. State is fully capable of having an "up" year (2014, 2018 and 2023 should have been more), but this year is not going to be one of those up years, hence my lack of excitement. We also -unlike TCU- have to play the actual "contenders", meaning we'd have to be actual contenders ourselves to make the playoffs

[EdwardDrayton]

College sports were last bastion of watchable competition for me. I havent watched MLB or NBA in a decade. I only watch the NFL because its on Sunday night after I get done with game prep for our next Friday opponent

Now with portal/NIL its just completely buying players. There is no more us vs them. It's just who we have rented for this season vs who they have rented for this season. I used to plan my Saturdays around the Big 3. Now its just whatever.

^^^^^^^

[Offshore Dawg]

My excitement is in having College football back. However, I don't think that the Offense will suck under Libby. Defense is the ???????

[KOdawg1]

I'm at about a 6 or a 7.

I'm excited to see an offense that is innovative and exciting.

[confucius say]

We're going to score. That will be more entertaining at least.

[Goldendawg]

621 posts to date regarding the Baseball portal for 2025 & I am post #61 on excitement level thread for FB which kicks off end of next month. Losing Leach (loved the man, hated his boring short passing game, JMO), followed by the Arnett disaster, NIL and worse the portal has put a downer feel to many fans. Heck, ticket sales are so low for the E KY game you can get 4 tickets & a parking pass for $49 (got the email yesterday). Hardcore friend who has season tickets in FB, baseball, & MBB changed his seats in Section D from row 20 to get a little higher view of the field. He said it was unreal how many seats in section D were available at that time. We need to look exciting and score on O, be surprising on D & start off 4-0 to get people excited about Lebby and Co. asap! Hail State!

[Cooterpoot]

So many misconceptions in this thread. It's ok to admit some of you never really gave a shit.

[Negative Waves]

I'm at a 5. Our schedule is absolutely brutal this year with Mizzou, TN, UGA, TX, and OM (I hate to add them). A 6-6 record with some competitive games against the five listed would be a great 1st season for Lebby in my eyes. Win one of the five above and that would cause me to grow some major wool for next year.

[Pancho]

simply gotta hope for 6 wins minimum. anything over that is gravy

[mudbugs]

Ever the eternal gradual optimist, I'll bravely say 6 now, and be at 9 by first kick.

[Political Hack]

3

And it?s that high because I?m excited to see Lebby?s O plans and playcalling

This.

[mckeen]

I?m pretty much through. NIL/transfer rules

[PGHBulldogBG]

This year reminds me so much of 2009. Ole Miss picked top 10 and State picked at the bottom of the conference. If we can mirror what happened that year it will get me really excited for the future. I think it’s just really hard for me to be sold on Lebby because he does not have any head coaching experience. It was different with Mullen because he was helping win national titles. Of course I think he will do much better than Croom and Moorhead but there is just so much unknown right now

[MadDawg]

There is no more us vs them. It's just who we have rented for this season vs who they have rented for this season.

Bingo. Couldn't have said it better. I'll give my excitement level about a 3. Doubt I could name 3 people on the football team. College sports are dead.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

So many misconceptions in this thread. It's ok to admit some of you never really gave a shit.

1) it would be helpful if you would state what these "misconceptions" are so we can learn something vs just stating a vague post that adds no value to the discussion

2) of course we care. Do you really think we have people who don't give a crap about State on a State message board? We are probably all in the top 10% of fans as far as our level of passion, and you want to call us posters? Why would someone who doesn't care be here?

[Brobi-wan]

We just have some losing fatigue, I think. Couple of wins will turn that right around.

[Wink&aPrayer]

5

[Cooterpoot]

1) it would be helpful if you would state what these "misconceptions" are so we can learn something vs just stating a vague post that adds no value to the discussion

2) of course we care. Do you really think we have people who don't give a crap about State on a State message board? We are probably all in the top 10% of fans as far as our level of passion, and you want to call us posters? Why would someone who doesn't care be here?

Just read the GD thread. The whole "woe is me" "NIL kills everything" "portal kills everything". Blah blah blah. It's 100% BS!

[Cooterpoot]

We just have some losing fatigue, I think. Couple of wins will turn that right around.

We won year before last. One year of losing kills us? Bunch of Poosie ass fans we got!

[BrunswickDawg]

We won year before last. One year of losing kills us? Bunch of Poosie ass fans we got!

People were to busy bitching about Rogers, and Leach, and the OL, and the defense, and Cohen to notice we won 9 games and finished ranked

[Brobi-wan]

We won year before last. One year of losing kills us? Bunch of Poosie ass fans we got!

Can’t tell if you’re a troll or not. When people are paying money to go see an event they expect it to be good. I went to every game despite us not having a good team. I don’t expect everyone else to do that and I don’t blame them for not. I have season tickets so I pay before I go. If you’re not a season ticket holder it doesn’t make sense to pay to see a bad team play. We won 9 games two years ago. That was a good year. We won only 5 games last, have been terrible at baseball for 2 years before this one ,and have had very little to cheer for except basketball. That’s reasonable to have losing fatigue.

[bulldawg28]

621 posts to date regarding the Baseball portal for 2025 & I am post #61 on excitement level thread for FB which kicks off end of next month. Losing Leach (loved the man, hated his boring short passing game, JMO), followed by the Arnett disaster, NIL and worse the portal has put a downer feel to many fans. Heck, ticket sales are so low for the E KY game you can get 4 tickets & a parking pass for $49 (got the email yesterday). Hardcore friend who has season tickets in FB, baseball, & MBB changed his seats in Section D from row 20 to get a little higher view of the field. He said it was unreal how many seats in section D were available at that time. We need to look exciting and score on O, be surprising on D & start off 4-0 to get people excited about Lebby and Co. asap! Hail State!

Lol, Eastern Kentucky? So many holes in this analogy. Regardless if you're 10-0, who wants to see Eastern Kentucky?

[Offshore Dawg]

Some of y'all just need to forget the Arnett era or error. Libby could be the real deal for MSU. You can do a lot worse than the Oklahoma coaching tree.

[Goldendawg]

Lol, Eastern Kentucky? So many holes in this analogy. Regardless if you're 10-0, who wants to see Eastern Kentucky?

A poorly attended game doesn't look good on TV, to recruits or bring needed ticket/gameday revenue to us. I wish we didn't schedule teams like this (JMO), but as per the last 55 consecutive season ticket years my family and I will be there. At least it's not a 11:00 am kickoff.

[confucius say]

621 posts to date regarding the Baseball portal for 2025 & I am post #61 on excitement level thread for FB which kicks off end of next month. Losing Leach (loved the man, hated his boring short passing game, JMO), followed by the Arnett disaster, NIL and worse the portal has put a downer feel to many fans. Heck, ticket sales are so low for the E KY game you can get 4 tickets & a parking pass for $49 (got the email yesterday). Hardcore friend who has season tickets in FB, baseball, & MBB changed his seats in Section D from row 20 to get a little higher view of the field. He said it was unreal how many seats in section D were available at that time. We need to look exciting and score on O, be surprising on D & start off 4-0 to get people excited about Lebby and Co. asap! Hail State!

That's an ongoing thread. Every time there is a new portal addition, there are new posts. Not the same thing.

But thank you for fandom over so many years. Good stuff!

[Goldendawg]

That's an ongoing thread. Every time there is a new portal addition, there are new posts. Not the same thing.

But thank you for fandom over so many years. Good stuff!

All began with my late SuperDawg Dad who attended State in the early '60's driving round trip 4 hrs to day classes while spreading cloth at Blue Bell at night with myself and my younger sister at home. He got in on the Bulldog Club from Day One. He told me that the best college player he ever saw play was Jackie Parker. He was hardcore State and raised me the same way, as I have raised my 23 year old son. His later business success set the family up for this run in supporting MSU. I am proud and humble to say my nephew brought his 4 year old daughter and 2 year old son to their first games this past season, the 4th generation of our family. Dad died far too young at 59 in 1995. His favorite two teams, as mine, are State and whoever is playing OM! Hail State in all ways!

[WSOPdawg]

621 posts to date regarding the Baseball portal for 2025 & I am post #61 on excitement level thread for FB which kicks off end of next month. Losing Leach (loved the man, hated his boring short passing game, JMO), followed by the Arnett disaster, NIL and worse the portal has put a downer feel to many fans. Heck, ticket sales are so low for the E KY game you can get 4 tickets & a parking pass for $49 (got the email yesterday). Hardcore friend who has season tickets in FB, baseball, & MBB changed his seats in Section D from row 20 to get a little higher view of the field. He said it was unreal how many seats in section D were available at that time. We need to look exciting and score on O, be surprising on D & start off 4-0 to get people excited about Lebby and Co. asap! Hail State!

So we basically need to be the 2024 1st-month version of Deion Sanders 2023 Colorado Buffalos and crescendo into the 2nd half of the season and NOT fall flat.

I'm actually pumped to see Lebby and crew get on the field this year and put some points on the scoreboard.

[Goldendawg]

So we basically need to be the 2024 1st-month version of Deion Sanders 2023 Colorado Buffalos and crescendo into the 2nd half of the season and NOT fall flat.

I'm actually pumped to see Lebby and crew get on the field this year and put some points on the scoreboard.

Sounds like a plan! Hail State!

[Liverpooldawg]

0

[bulldawg28]

A poorly attended game doesn't look good on TV, to recruits or bring needed ticket/gameday revenue to us. I wish we didn't schedule teams like this (JMO), but as per the last 55 consecutive season ticket years my family and I will be there. At least it's not a 11:00 am kickoff.

We'll have a great crowd though, watch

[Hot Rock]

3 --- I am not excited about football at all for the upcoming season. If Lebby's offense wins us 7-8 games and recruting keeps getting better then I could see it going up to a 7-8 by the end of the season but right now I am expecting 5 wins and that is it.

I give it a 3 becaue I do think Lebby could be a good coach and bring a lot for the future but 5 coaches in 7 years and then throw in the 2 stints by Knox as interim we have had 7 different coaches in 7 years. Get that? It's been a mess...

[mckeen]

I'm actually about a 8 to 8.5. Which is more than I've been in a few years. That's even though my expectations are low, just hoping for 6-6.
I think it's the expectation of being entertaining offensively.

My excitement is lower every year, since the advent of NIL and portal. I see the proverbial handwriting on the wall for our athletic programs. Won't be able to keep up. It's pro sports now.

[Jarius]

People were to busy bitching about Rogers, and Leach, and the OL, and the defense, and Cohen to notice we won 9 games and finished ranked

My excitement meter is a 10 for CFB every year, including this one. As for the b*tching about certain things that year you are talking about, Go check out Washington’s O/U for this year on the sports books. It’s 6.5. The ones of us b*tching about that had a legit gripe. It cost us a special season.

[Dawgface]

Lowest it's ever been. 2.

I can't name 3 players.

I can't either. I'll rate it a 3 and it's more about all the changes in college football that have affected my enthusiasm overall.

[Coach34]

As for the b*tching about certain things that year you are talking about, Go check out Washington’s O/U for this year on the sports books. It’s 6.5.

They have Rogers as their QB. 6.5 is about where it should be

[Jarius]

They have Rogers as their QB. 6.5 is about where it should be

That was my point.

[Jarius]

Also, in case anyone wants to know why OM is where they are and why we are where we are, take a look at this website. Half the damn threads are about an Olympic sport that no one outside 10 fanbases in the country give a damn about and it’s weeks before the start of college football. The priorities of this fanbase are all out of whack with our competition. We are more concerned about a half funded niche sport that we have sucked in for 3 years than we are the sport that everyone else in our neighborhood is cutthroat about. We need an entire mindset overhaul. I wish we could take baseball and throw it in the ocean.

[Goldendawg]

Careful there Jarius. This take might get you banned!*** i love State in all ways and would even watch us play tiddly winks, especially if against OM, but the first FB game is 8/31 & FB wags all the other Dogs except MBB $ wise. BTW, our first National Championship was Frisbee Golf, I am told.*****

[mckeen]

I'm less excited every year and will continue on that path as long as the present NIL/portal situation is as messed up as it is. NCAA sports are simply pro sports now. The esprit de corps that made college sports so special has been lost.

[MedDawg]

8 for State, expecting a good offense. I think we go 6-6, possibly 7-5.

But I'm an optimist and thought no way would 2023 State win fewer than 6. Lost a lot of money betting on that. If I could get State over 4.5 I'd put another bunch on it, but not going to chance over 5.5.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Also, in case anyone wants to know why OM is where they are and why we are where we are, take a look at this website. Half the damn threads are about an Olympic sport that no one outside 10 fanbases in the country give a damn about and it’s weeks before the start of college football. The priorities of this fanbase are all out of whack with our competition. We are more concerned about a half funded niche sport that we have sucked in for 3 years than we are the sport that everyone else in our neighborhood is cutthroat about. We need an entire mindset overhaul. I wish we could take baseball and throw it in the ocean.

Find an extra $15m a year we can spend on football (coaching salaries, off field staff, and NIL... you'd need more than 15m to compete on facilities) and then sure, let's expect to compete with the big boys.

Right now, as far as I'm concerned we have a program we can win nattys in and a program we can make the Gator bowl in. Personally, I am more interested in following the first even though the 2nd is financially more important to the university

[Jarius]

Find an extra $15m a year we can spend on football (coaching salaries, off field staff, and NIL... you'd need more than 15m to compete on facilities) and then sure, let's expect to compete with the big boys.

Right now, as far as I'm concerned we have a program we can win nattys in and a program we can make the Gator bowl in. Personally, I am more interested in following the first even though the 2nd is financially more important to the university

If our in state rival that we have been equals with for almost our entire existence can find the money, so can we. The problem is that we spent 60 million dollars (30 that wasn’t funded by donors) on a niche sport stadium and god knows how much on NIL that no one outside of a few fanbases give a damn about. Every other fanbase in the SEC would trade 100 baseball national titles for 1 football national title, but ours would rather worry about grilling hot dogs and feeding opposing players than actually putting forth the effort and financial commitment to compete in the sport that actually matters. Your opinion is a cancer to our athletics department and one day there are going to be super conferences that we have a real shot to get left out of and you guys can enjoy hosting southern miss and Troy every weekend in your big nice stadium.

[msugolf]

If our in state rival that we have been equals with for almost our entire existence can find the money, so can we. The problem is that we spent 60 million dollars (30 that wasn’t funded by donors) on a niche sport stadium and god knows how much on NIL that no one outside of a few fanbases give a damn about. Every other fanbase in the SEC would trade 100 baseball national titles for 1 football national title, but ours would rather worry about grilling hot dogs and feeding opposing players than actually putting forth the effort and financial commitment to compete in the sport that actually matters. Your opinion is a cancer to our athletics department and one day there are going to be super conferences that we have a real shot to get left out of and you guys can enjoy hosting southern miss and Troy every weekend in your big nice stadium.

Good luck trying to fight the fight. We have too many good ol boys with inferiority complexes in this fan base.

I would rather go to a CFB playoff game once every 10 years than win 5 national championships in a row in baseball. It wouldnt hurt my feelings if we only played Grandslam and perfect game tourneys in flowood every year instead

Fortunately Selmon gets it and is doing things to appease the baseball meatheads on the surface but his focus among big NIL boosters is football and basketball behind the scenes

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Good luck trying to fight the fight. We have too many good ol boys with inferiority complexes in this fan base.

I would rather go to a CFB playoff game once every 10 years than win 5 national championships in a row in baseball. It wouldnt hurt my feelings if we only played Grandslam and perfect game tourneys in flowood every year instead

Fortunately Selmon gets it and is doing things to appease the baseball meatheads on the surface but his focus among big NIL boosters is football and basketball behind the scenes

What's the point in being mediocre at everything? Id rather suck at one sport and be elite in another. Baseball is the only one that we have that potential in. Football we will NEVER be able to compete with the elite, never. Our history should make that clear

Your football only. Great, you have the right to be. But don't pretend like there's some rational reason you prefer to barely be relevant in football once a decade vs winning 10 nattys in another sport. It's just your personal preference because football is what you care about

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

If our in state rival that we have been equals with for almost our entire existence can find the money, so can we. The problem is that we spent 60 million dollars (30 that wasn’t funded by donors) on a niche sport stadium and god knows how much on NIL that no one outside of a few fanbases give a damn about. Every other fanbase in the SEC would trade 100 baseball national titles for 1 football national title, but ours would rather worry about grilling hot dogs and feeding opposing players than actually putting forth the effort and financial commitment to compete in the sport that actually matters. Your opinion is a cancer to our athletics department and one day there are going to be super conferences that we have a real shot to get left out of and you guys can enjoy hosting southern miss and Troy every weekend in your big nice stadium.

Yes. We should ban the LFL and suck in baseball and dedicate those resources to football so they can go from averaging 7-5 season to averaging 8-4.

Id rather be elite in something and suck at other sports than mediocre in everything

[msugolf]

What's the point in being mediocre at everything? Id rather suck at one sport and be elite in another. Baseball is the only one that we have that potential in. Football we will NEVER be able to compete with the elite, never. Our history should make that clear

Your football only. Great, you have the right to be. But don't pretend like there's some rational reason you prefer to barely be relevant in football once a decade vs winning 10 nattys in another sport. It's just your personal preference because football is what you care about

Well then let?s just cancel football and try to be elite at mens and womens golf, tennis, soccer too. Lets tell the Sec we arent interested in football and we want to be the Gonzaga of the southeast, except in a sport that doesnt make money and where 10 percent of people care about.

Heres the kicker, if we dont put an effort into football going forward then we will get left out when there is the next conference restructuring. And then youre precious baseball program will be left with a schedule full of Tulane, Troy, MdTN, and USM on those spring weekends. Good luck selling that?with no TV contract as well.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Well then let?s just cancel football and try to be elite at mens and womens golf, tennis, soccer too. Lets tell the Sec we arent interested in football and we want to be the Gonzaga of the southeast, except in a sport that doesnt make money and where 10 percent of people care about.

Heres the kicker, if we dont put an effort into football going forward then we will get left out when there is the next conference restructuring. And then youre precious baseball program will be left with a schedule full of Tulane, Troy, MdTN, and USM on those spring weekends. Good luck selling that?with no TV contract as well.

I agree not all sports are equal. Football is #1 and it's not close. But we don't have the option of being elite in Football no matter what we do.

Id rather go 7-5 in football and be elite in some other sport (baseball) vs going 8-4 but being mediocre/sub par in all others. Because football has so many resources being dumped into it by other schools to get 1 more win takes a level of commitment that could have been used to make baseball elite. That's the scale of the coaching salaries and NIL difference. Id rather win a natty In something else vs watching 1 more win on a mediocre football team.

It's all personal preferences. Ultimately we don't make the decisions either way

[msugolf]

I agree not all sports are equal. Football is #1 and it's not close. But we don't have the option of being elite in Football no matter what we do.

Id rather go 7-5 in football and be elite in some other sport (baseball) vs going 8-4 but being mediocre/sub par in all others. Because football has so many resources being dumped into it by other schools to get 1 more win takes a level of commitment that could have been used to make baseball elite. That's the scale of the coaching salaries and NIL difference. Id rather win a natty In something else vs watching 1 more win on a mediocre football team.

It's all personal preferences. Ultimately we don't make the decisions either way

Where is the formula you used to show we would only improve 1 win based on a certain dollar amount increase?

And going 9-3 or 8-4 in football in this current conference is more valuable to the university than any baseball championship.

[Coach34]

I havent even watched SEC media days. First time since its beginning I've missed it

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Where is the formula you used to show we would only improve 1 win based on a certain dollar amount increase?

And going 9-3 or 8-4 in football in this current conference is more valuable to the university than any baseball championship.

No formula, I'm just looking at how much investment is going to these programs. Like baseball coaching staffs make 1/5th what the football staff does, the NIL seems to be similar. There are individual football players who are likely making more NIL than our baseball team combined.

Say UGA out spends us on football at a 2:1 rate. We could cancel our baseball program, put all that money into football, and they'd still outspend us 2:1.3 or whatever. We might leap Arkansas and get 1 more win a year, but we would not be nationally relevant

[Jarius]

Yes. We should ban the LFL and suck in baseball and dedicate those resources to football so they can go from averaging 7-5 season to averaging 8-4.

Id rather be elite in something and suck at other sports than mediocre in everything



The problem is that we don’t have to be an 8-4 football team. We can be better. They are doing it right up the road. The problem is we have a loser fanbase that would rather be good in something that no one else gives a sh*t about than actually put forth the effort to do what our rival is doing in a sport that matters. Loser mentality.

[Jarius]

No formula, I'm just looking at how much investment is going to these programs. Like baseball coaching staffs make 1/5th what the football staff does, the NIL seems to be similar. There are individual football players who are likely making more NIL than our baseball team combined.

Say UGA out spends us on football at a 2:1 rate. We could cancel our baseball program, put all that money into football, and they'd still outspend us 2:1.3 or whatever. We might leap Arkansas and get 1 more win a year, but we would not be nationally relevant

If Missouri and Ole Miss can get to where they are in football, so can we. This is all just a bunch of bullsh*t excuses. There are 13 baseball threads on the front page of this board 5 weeks before football season. That is the BS mindset of our fanbase. No other fanbase in this conference thinks this way. We pride ourselves on being slightly above average in a sport that no one else gives a sh*t about. Meanwhile our rival with a very similar athletic budget is gearing up to go to the playoffs after making 2 NY 6 bowls in the past 3 years.

[BulldogBear]

I havent even watched SEC media days. First time since its beginning I've missed it

Me either. I'm not apathetic per sey, but have zero expections.

As far as CFB, maybe an 8. I'm always into it. As far as SEC, also an 8. I'm going to enjoy watching OU turn into Arky over the next few years while Texas turns into TAMUtwo. Always hyped, then October sets in, and they wonder why just having an offense doesn't make the cut in the SEC.

As far as we go, somewhere around 3-4. I'm interested, just not excited. With. That. Said.... we tend to overachiever when nobody thinks we're gonna do anything. So, I have that in the bak of my mind. If that plays out, I'll be plenty excited when I see it coming. Similarly, when UMiss has high expectations, they tend to crash and burn relative to said expectations. So, I'm looking forward to that. I'm talking about media and others by the way. The Rebs themselves seem perplexed they're not considered to be a contender in August every year.

[confucius say]

All of this lack of excitement will go away if we made the right hire. Even the Mississippi people who don't like NIL are excited.
Get it right at the top and things will fall into place.

And I think we did. There will be a learning curve, but I think we got it right.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

If Missouri and Ole Miss can get to where they are in football, so can we. This is all just a bunch of bullsh*t excuses. There are 13 baseball threads on the front page of this board 5 weeks before football season. That is the BS mindset of our fanbase. No other fanbase in this conference thinks this way. We pride ourselves on being slightly above average in a sport that no one else gives a sh*t about. Meanwhile our rival with a very similar athletic budget is gearing up to go to the playoffs after making 2 NY 6 bowls in the past 3 years.

OM spends way more than we do. In a world where every player and coach is a free agent from one year to the next, $$$ is king.

Now to be clear, if we somehow had way more money (say a rich booster decided to get involved, or Briles has a great year and the fanbase money rolls in) then my current view would need to be reevaluated. All I'm saying is that with our CURRENT money, we won't compete.

Mizzou is an outlier of success. Made a good hire who has slowly built them up the right way and gained fanbase support... but even then, they just had a donor give the athletic department $62m (12m for NIL). Their athletic budget is also well above ours at $142m... again, money matters

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

The problem is that we don’t have to be an 8-4 football team. We can be better. They are doing it right up the road. The problem is we have a loser fanbase that would rather be good in something that no one else gives a sh*t about than actually put forth the effort to do what our rival is doing in a sport that matters. Loser mentality.

Ole miss has an athletic budget 30m more then us and appears to spend more on overall NIL. They concentrate that NIL on football, thus losing 2 really good baseball players to TN and guaranteeing they suck next year.

I could live with destroying baseball in order to preserve a 10+ win team like OM did. But we don't have that choice, we'd be destroying baseball to improve a 7-5 team to 8-4.

Now, if you want to say State fans need to but up and donate more, ok. I'm just talking about allocation of our current funds

[Jarius]

Ole miss has an athletic budget 30m more then us and appears to spend more on overall NIL. They concentrate that NIL on football, thus losing 2 really good baseball players to TN and guaranteeing they suck next year.

I could live with destroying baseball in order to preserve a 10+ win team like OM did. But we don't have that choice, we'd be destroying baseball to improve a 7-5 team to 8-4.

Now, if you want to say State fans need to but up and donate more, ok. I'm just talking about allocation of our current funds


Yes, that is exactly what I am saying. If we had a fanbase that gave what they could realistically give we would be in Ole Miss’ position in a year or 2, provided we made the right hire. They have a higher budget because they care more, not because they have more money to give. Killing baseball for their current run is exactly the right move. The problem is our fans would largely rather be good in baseball.

[Goldendawg]

OM spends way more than we do. In a world where every player and coach is a free agent from one year to the next, $$$ is king.

Now to be clear, if we somehow had way more money (say a rich booster decided to get involved, or Briles has a great year and the fanbase money rolls in) then my current view would need to be reevaluated. All I'm saying is that with our CURRENT money, we won't compete.

Mizzou is an outlier of success. Made a good hire who has slowly built them up the right way and gained fanbase support... but even then, they just had a donor give the athletic department $62m (12m for NIL). Their athletic budget is also well above ours at $142m... again, money matters

Briles??????

[Goldendawg]

Probably a banning offense to post this, but here I go. I couldn't find the 2023 results, but in 2022, the top revenue producing sports in college sports were #1 Football (far & away), #2 Men's Basketball, #3 Hockey & #4 Baseball. I bet most college sports fans can't tell you who won the last couple or most recent baseball championship as most here or anywhere can't tell you who won the last college hockey championship. Without competing in football, win or lose in the SEC, we will drop to USM level or worse in the changing college sorts landscape. BTW, only football & MBB finish in the black at the vast majority of schools and FB pays the bills for most all the other sports.

[Jarius]

Probably a banning offense to post this, but here I go. I couldn't find the 2023 results, but in 2022, the top revenue producing sports in college sports were #1 Football (far & away), #2 Men's Basketball, #3 Hockey & #4 Baseball. I bet most college sports fans can't tell you who won the last couple or most recent baseball championship as most here or anywhere can't tell you who won the last college hockey championship. Without competing in football, win or lose in the SEC, we will drop to USM level or worse in the changing college sorts landscape. BTW, only football & MBB finish in the black at the vast majority of schools and FB pays the bills for most all the other sports.


And being really good in football helps the budget for the Olympic sports. If football is good it is good for everyone else, which is why you should go all in on that.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Briles??????

Oh Jesus what a brain slip. Like 2 days ago I was explaining the situation to my wife and so the 2 names were close in my head, then I went full retard and mixed them up

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Yes, that is exactly what I am saying. If we had a fanbase that gave what they could realistically give we would be in Ole Miss’ position in a year or 2, provided we made the right hire. They have a higher budget because they care more, not because they have more money to give. Killing baseball for their current run is exactly the right move. The problem is our fans would largely rather be good in baseball.

Ok I think we have it hammered out. You're saying our fanbase sucks because it would rather not donate $$$, but focus on small sports and conceded football. You wish we would donate more, AND cut funding for small sports so we can be competitive in football.

I on the other hand am saying that with current donation levels, we cannot compete in football regardless so we might as well focus on a sport we can. But if the fanbase did donate more, I'd be willing to prioritize football.

We both agree we do not have current funding levels for a proper competitive football team and to do so would require more NIL donations

[PGHBulldogBG]

I am in the very small minority where I wish we put more focus on basketball. It is going to be nearly impossible to compete with how NIL and the portal are combined with the limited amount of donations we get. Basketball is an area though we can put a lot of that focus and still be nationally relevant and be in a position to make noise in March madness. While it might not be as big as football it gets 100 times more national attention than baseball. We ruined our ability to surpass Ole Miss when they were on probation and we didn’t hire Kyle Whittingham when he was interested in our job. Had we just done that our program would be in an entirely different state right now and we would be up there with ole Miss competing at the top of the SEC instead of being near Vandy level now. People didn’t do their easy homework in just researching what a fraud Moorhead was and that has still impacted us to this day

[msugolf]

I am in the very small minority where I wish we put more focus on basketball. It is going to be nearly impossible to compete with how NIL and the portal are combined with the limited amount of donations we get. Basketball is an area though we can put a lot of that focus and still be nationally relevant and be in a position to make noise in March madness. While it might not be as big as football it gets 100 times more national attention than baseball. We ruined our ability to surpass Ole Miss when they were on probation and we didn’t hire Kyle Whittingham when he was interested in our job. Had we just done that our program would be in an entirely different state right now and we would be up there with ole Miss competing at the top of the SEC instead of being near Vandy level now. People didn’t do their easy homework in just researching what a fraud Moorhead was and that has still impacted us to this day

You might be in the minority here but not overall. There is a lot of movement and progress with our basketball NIL right now and a lot of influential people are leading the way. It is ahead of baseball

[Jarius]

I am in the very small minority where I wish we put more focus on basketball. It is going to be nearly impossible to compete with how NIL and the portal are combined with the limited amount of donations we get. Basketball is an area though we can put a lot of that focus and still be nationally relevant and be in a position to make noise in March madness. While it might not be as big as football it gets 100 times more national attention than baseball. We ruined our ability to surpass Ole Miss when they were on probation and we didn’t hire Kyle Whittingham when he was interested in our job. Had we just done that our program would be in an entirely different state right now and we would be up there with ole Miss competing at the top of the SEC instead of being near Vandy level now. People didn’t do their easy homework in just researching what a fraud Moorhead was and that has still impacted us to this day

Investing in men’s basketball is very smart and we have done that very well. We waste a ton of money on women’s basketball and that should change dramatically. We need every ounce of budget we have and losing the type of money we do on women’s basketball costs us in football and men’s basketball. If we cut the amount of losses in revenue in half for women’s basketball over the past decade we would have been able to fund about a big chunk of the south end zone enclosure that needs to happen without asking a donor for a dime.

[BrunswickDawg]

Investing in men?s basketball is very smart and we have done that very well. We waste a ton of money on women?s basketball and that should change dramatically. We need every ounce of budget we have and losing the type of money we do on women?s basketball costs us in football and men?s basketball. If we cut the amount of losses in revenue in half for women?s basketball over the past decade we would have been able to fund about a big chunk of the south end zone enclosure that needs to happen without asking a donor for a dime.

I'm going to call BS on this one. Women's basketball lost $5m last year. Cut that in half, at $2.5 million a year gives you $25m in a decade. The north end zone cost $75m a decade ago (yes it's been that long now). You are easy looking at $125m for a similar product today. Maybe $150m. And guess what, cutting that $2.5m from wbb, while playing in a premier conference will put you back in the bottom of the league and probably take you right back to losing $5m a year when fans quit caring again. So in the end you save nothing.

Arguing for approaches like this is being pennywise, but pound foolish. Unless you eliminate programs (which we can't) you have to generate more revenue not cut the expenses. We have a bunch of poor mouth fans who complain about how expensive everything is when we have the cheapest tickets and donation requirements in the league. You want to run with the big boys then you have to pony up like the big boys. Football wants more money - then you better be ready to fork over $10k a year in donations to be eligible to even buy them like my UGA friends do. Not skyboxes - regular season tickets. And not the best seats either. Want a good tailgate spot and parking pass. Be ready to donate another $5k a year. Want a LFL spot. Pony the F up. We don't have the poorest fanbase in the SEC, we have the cheapest fanbase in the SEC and always have. We CARRIED OVER "lifetime" seats from the Dude for $5000 donations in the 1980s!!! Decisions like that are reason we can't compete.

[bulldawg28]

You might be in the minority here but not overall. There is a lot of movement and progress with our basketball NIL right now and a lot of influential people are leading the way. It is ahead of baseball

Men's basketball has always been invested at State even before the NIL . Our teams were winning on and off the court. They were participating in the NIL before it was a legal thing lol. Those players were driving the best vehicles on campus.

[Bothrops]

8. The roster on O is as good as it'll get. I have low expectations for the other side.

[Jarius]

I'm going to call BS on this one. Women's basketball lost $5m last year. Cut that in half, at $2.5 million a year gives you $25m in a decade. The north end zone cost $75m a decade ago (yes it's been that long now). You are easy looking at $125m for a similar product today. Maybe $150m. And guess what, cutting that $2.5m from wbb, while playing in a premier conference will put you back in the bottom of the league and probably take you right back to losing $5m a year when fans quit caring again. So in the end you save nothing.

Arguing for approaches like this is being pennywise, but pound foolish. Unless you eliminate programs (which we can't) you have to generate more revenue not cut the expenses. We have a bunch of poor mouth fans who complain about how expensive everything is when we have the cheapest tickets and donation requirements in the league. You want to run with the big boys then you have to pony up like the big boys. Football wants more money - then you better be ready to fork over $10k a year in donations to be eligible to even buy them like my UGA friends do. Not skyboxes - regular season tickets. And not the best seats either. Want a good tailgate spot and parking pass. Be ready to donate another $5k a year. Want a LFL spot. Pony the F up. We don't have the poorest fanbase in the SEC, we have the cheapest fanbase in the SEC and always have. We CARRIED OVER "lifetime" seats from the Dude for $5000 donations in the 1980s!!! Decisions like that are reason we can't compete.

I’m fine with spending the money we do on women’s basketball if the school would charge extra for tickets, as you say. But they are not going to do that and people aren’t going to pay for it if they did. We wouldn’t lose revenue if we cut women’s basketball funding because we don’t make any money on it to start with because we charge almost nothing to go to the games. As far as baseball goes, we are on the same page. The LFL spots should cost triple what they currently cost. It’s the most coveted spot on campus and gets to be purchased for peanuts.

[BrunswickDawg]

I’m fine with spending the money we do on women’s basketball if the school would charge extra for tickets, as you say. But they are not going to do that and people aren’t going to pay for it if they did. We wouldn’t lose revenue if we cut women’s basketball funding because we don’t make any money on it to start with because we charge almost nothing to go to the games. As far as baseball goes, we are on the same page. The LFL spots should cost triple what they currently cost. It’s the most coveted spot on campus and gets to be purchased for peanuts.

Women's Basketball is a great example. We have General Admission seating. Season Tickets are $99 a seat. I believe single games are $10. We had 18 home games last year. That's $5.50 a game for a season ticket holder. That is pathetically low. I pay $85 for my local high school football season tickets - for 6 games. Now, I don't feel like women's basketball should be a high dollar ticket - but our prices should not be on par with local high schools. That's terrible when you are losing $5m a year.

And it doesn't take much. UGA requires a minimum $50 WBB donation per seat just to get on the season ticket sales list.
Then you they break their cost down by location, Reserved seating: $65 per seat and Courtside: $150 per seat. Then they have "Club" access buffet concessions for $1000 a seat.
So, they don't make a whole lot more on most seats, but the best seats are bumped and access to concessions are the premiums. And the concessions aren't fancy - it's typical, dogs, burgers, sodas, ice cream and popcorn that you would be hard pressed to eat $200 of over 18 games - but it's fast and easy and worth the added cost especially during a big game.

So say MSU has 2,000 women' season ticket holders. Average attendance was 5,109 over 18 games. Right now that's a $198k in season tickets and $559,620 in GA game sales for a total of $757,620
In the UGA Model, lets project 300 courtside seats and 1,700 reserved seats, and 300 "Club" passes", and bump single game tickets to $15.
That takes you to $555,500 in season ticket revenue, $839,430 in GA game sales, for a total of $1,394,930.

There are a lot of assumptions in the above - but it shows how small changes can make impacts without having to gouge people.

[Jarius]

Women's Basketball is a great example. We have General Admission seating. Season Tickets are $99 a seat. I believe single games are $10. We had 18 home games last year. That's $5.50 a game for a season ticket holder. That is pathetically low. I pay $85 for my local high school football season tickets - for 6 games. Now, I don't feel like women's basketball should be a high dollar ticket - but our prices should not be on par with local high schools. That's terrible when you are losing $5m a year.

And it doesn't take much. UGA requires a minimum $50 WBB donation per seat just to get on the season ticket sales list.
Then you they break their cost down by location, Reserved seating: $65 per seat and Courtside: $150 per seat. Then they have "Club" access buffet concessions for $1000 a seat.
So, they don't make a whole lot more on most seats, but the best seats are bumped and access to concessions are the premiums. And the concessions aren't fancy - it's typical, dogs, burgers, sodas, ice cream and popcorn that you would be hard pressed to eat $200 of over 18 games - but it's fast and easy and worth the added cost especially during a big game.

So say MSU has 2,000 women' season ticket holders. Average attendance was 5,109 over 18 games. Right now that's a $198k in season tickets and $559,620 in GA game sales for a total of $757,620
In the UGA Model, lets project 300 courtside seats and 1,700 reserved seats, and 300 "Club" passes", and bump single game tickets to $15.
That takes you to $555,500 in season ticket revenue, $839,430 in GA game sales, for a total of $1,394,930.

There are a lot of assumptions in the above - but it shows how small changes can make impacts without having to gouge people.

We don’t charge enough for tickets in any sport for sure. Particularly the ones we are good in. I can understand not gouging football prices at the moment because we aren’t selling them at a high rate but if Lebby turns it around the prices need to skyrocket or have some sort of deal where the more money you donate to the BI the cheaper your tickets get. I don’t know how feasible that is but NIL is more important than anything right now. I know they can’t do it in conjunction with the school currently but that is coming right around the corner.

[Goldendawg]

We don’t charge enough for tickets in any sport for sure. Particularly the ones we are good in. I can understand not gouging football prices at the moment because we aren’t selling them at a high rate but if Lebby turns it around the prices need to skyrocket or have some sort of deal where the more money you donate to the BI the cheaper your tickets get. I don’t know how feasible that is but NIL is more important than anything right now. I know they can’t do it in conjunction with the school currently but that is coming right around the corner.

"Skyrocket", FB season ticket? Have 8 to 12 for over 55 consecutive years and with Bulldog Club seating fees/dues they are much more than the face value on the ticket even for a OOC cupcake type game against an Eastern KY. Bulldog Club dues also pay for all scholarships across all sports and a big % of coaching salaries I am told. From what I am told there are still many good season ticktets available for this year at the current price. Both Bulldog Club dues and NIL donations have their place. I know many normal MSU fans who have already been priced out of college sports. Big screen TV and concessions at home are taking a toll. The catch 22? Win and the place will be full again.

[PGHBulldogBG]

You might be in the minority here but not overall. There is a lot of movement and progress with our basketball NIL right now and a lot of influential people are leading the way. It is ahead of baseball

That is great news. We should give Jans anything he wants. He is the best coach on campus and the one good thing Cohen did right

[Coach34]

That is great news. We should give Jans anything he wants. He is the best coach on campus and the one good thing Cohen did right

They arent the only ones but the Miskellys are basketball royalty. As are the Rula's. Plus a few more. Those guys changed our program from being the worst in the SEC to start the 80's to being a good program by the 90's

and let me give a shout out to Mr Adams old ass. We used to go back and forth alot on the board 20-15 years ago. GulfCoastDawg has done alot too and is maroon to the bone. Getting to know him a little since those days changes some perspective. He has been a great Dawg

[Brobi-wan]

Giving Jans the NIL is a no brainer. If Lebby does well he should be ahead of baseball as well because football…..makes more money. I’ll buy a “State is Swag” shirt no matter how ridiculous it looks.

[Jarius]

"Skyrocket", FB season ticket? Have 8 to 12 for over 55 consecutive years and with Bulldog Club seating fees/dues they are much more than the face value on the ticket even for a OOC cupcake type game against an Eastern KY. Bulldog Club dues also pay for all scholarships across all sports and a big % of coaching salaries I am told. From what I am told there are still many good season ticktets available for this year at the current price. Both Bulldog Club dues and NIL donations have their place. I know many normal MSU fans who have already been priced out of college sports. Big screen TV and concessions at home are taking a toll. The catch 22? Win and the place will be full again.

People have been priced out because they don’t care. They won’t get priced out of baseball tickets, I guarantee you that. We have the cheapest season tickets in the SEC. No other school is pricing out people. We just have a bunch of fans that aren’t committed AT ALL to football and our counterparts don’t.

[msugolf]

People have been priced out because they don’t care. They won’t get priced out of baseball tickets, I guarantee you that. We have the cheapest season tickets in the SEC. No other school is pricing out people. We just have a bunch of fans that aren’t committed AT ALL to football and our counterparts don’t.

Exactly right. All you have to do is look at the posts on this page. About 10-12 topics are about baseball. It?s also odd that I hear how NIL and the portal have killed any interest in football yet it hasnt in baseball and these same fans are fine with it in that arena. It?s totally ok to pony up for players and cherry pick from other teams when it fits their agenda.

[Goldendawg]

Exactly right. All you have to do is look at the posts on this page. About 10-12 topics are about baseball. It?s also odd that I hear how NIL and the portal have killed any interest in football yet it hasnt in baseball and these same fans are fine with it in that arena. It?s totally ok to pony up for players and cherry pick from other teams when it fits their agenda.

I don't know any other elitedawgs financial status and who supports which sports through season tickets, NIL, or what, but is the cost of season tickets with Bulldog Club dues comparable for baseball vs football. And BTW, most of these people I know do care, their financial positions or decisions on expenditures has changed. I hope we have an exciting "O" that wins 6 to 8 FB games this year and maybe intere$t picks up fast. And I agree, if you looked at the number of threads and posts on this site right now, you would think that it is still baseball season, rather than kickoff 8/31! Hail State (All sports, but FB pays the bills)!

[Jarius]

Exactly right. All you have to do is look at the posts on this page. About 10-12 topics are about baseball. It?s also odd that I hear how NIL and the portal have killed any interest in football yet it hasnt in baseball and these same fans are fine with it in that arena. It?s totally ok to pony up for players and cherry pick from other teams when it fits their agenda.

Baseball being good in the past is the worst thing to happen to our football program ever. I grew up sitting on a cooler in right field loving baseball and even playing it in college, but it is not good for the overall health of our athletic department because people just write football off and take the easy sport to support instead of the important one. When it came down to but cutting time for Ole Miss they threw baseball in the trash. We would never do that.

[viverlibre]

I'm actually about a 8 to 8.5. Which is more than I've been in a few years. That's even though my expectations are low, just hoping for 6-6.
I think it's the expectation of being entertaining offensively.

I'm at 7.5. This will be a great season overall, not necessary for us though. As long as we can get to 6-6 and don't look clueless/effortless out there it'll be a good year.

[Goldendawg]

I'm at 7.5. This will be a great season overall, not necessary for us though. As long as we can get to 6-6 and don't look clueless/effortless out there it'll be a good year.

6-6 should always be the floor no matter who is the HC. That's winning the 4 OOC games which are usually cupcakes (And many times not worth the cost of admission) and winning 2 SEC games. If we can't do this we are in big trouble as thats 2 of 8 in the conference and it's not like other teams are not turning over portal rosters, have issues and also have 8 SEC games. Heck, FL could be a dumpster fire with an interim coach when they come to DWS. 7-5 and a great 1st Lebby year and recruiting picks up when they see the new "O" and see us win 7 and be competitive in losses. Hail State!

[Brobi-wan]

I think this is the correct take. The Sip is poorer than a lot of other states in the SEC and much less dense population wise too. I can’t afford football and baseball so I pick one. Football was my first love so I attend there.

[DownwardDawg]

SEC media days were last week. Our new HC Lebby spoke. I didn't see anything about it on the message board. That tells you a lot about the excitement.

[StarkVegasSteve]

SEC media days were last week. Our new HC Lebby spoke. I didn't see anything about it on the message board. That tells you a lot about the excitement.

A lot of people are in wait and see mode and honestly....what are you going to learn at Media Days that most of us, especially the ones that post here, don't already know.

I mean what would we have talked about? Trying to read into the length of his opening statement? Or that he put on a cowboy hat?

[Coach34]

SEC media days were last week. Our new HC Lebby spoke. I didn't see anything about it on the message board. That tells you a lot about the excitement.

NIL has people checking out. Even if we were supposed to be good- my level of care wouldnt be any higher. We have 2 starters returning from last year. 1/3 of our roster is new. Most of us cant name any of the players. I know Rogers and Ellington because I coached them, Shapen because he is from here in town, and the kicker because he is the stepson of one of my college teammates. Oh, and Russell on the DL. That's it.

I'm excited college football is about to start and that always makes for a good Saturday. But the fandom aspect is meh and will remain there. It's headed that was for baseball also now as teams including us- are bringing in 1/3 of the roster from other schools.

[Jarius]

NIL does not have people checking out. There are seventeen thousand baseball threads on this site and that has NIL and transfers just as much as football does.

[viverlibre]

NIL does not have people checking out. There are seventeen thousand baseball threads on this site and that has NIL and transfers just as much as football does.

Concur, NIL will have little negative impact. CFB will continue to grow. For MSU fans, we've only went into 3-4 seasons since JWS that we thought we were going to do something special. That will probably remain the same. Folks will complain, but won't stop watching and paying attention.

[Coach34]

NIL does not have people checking out. There are seventeen thousand baseball threads on this site and that has NIL and transfers just as much as football does.

That’s more about a fight about Lemon as anything. I classify NIL/Portal as the same thing. The constant shuffling of players from school to school just doesn’t excite me anymore. That’s why I call them by the school they came from. They are becoming nameless

[Jarius]

That?s more about a fight about Lemon as anything. I classify NIL/Portal as the same thing. The constant shuffling of players from school to school just doesn?t excite me anymore. That?s why I call them by the school they came from. They are becoming nameless

Attendance is not dropping either for baseball. Our fans simply don?t care about football and never have to the extent of our peers. Baseball interest within our fanbase will not drop on the whole.

[DownwardDawg]

A lot of people are in wait and see mode and honestly....what are you going to learn at Media Days that most of us, especially the ones that post here, don't already know.

I mean what would we have talked about? Trying to read into the length of his opening statement? Or that he put on a cowboy hat?
I've never watched media days. Just pointing it out. Most years there are threads discussing what players are going, what to expect, reactions to the coaches interview, etc.....
This year no one gives a crap.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I've never watched media days. Just pointing it out. Most years there are threads discussing what players are going, what to expect, reactions to the coaches interview, etc.....
This year no one gives a crap.

I think it's two fold, like I said I think the biggest reason is wait and see mode. A lot of people are still feeling burned because all they heard from the MSU media last year was how we were going to prove everyone wrong and go 8-4. How Barbay was going to taylor his offense to the QB. How we had all this experience coming back on defense.....for the most part, all of that was a lie.

I think another reason is NIL. Like others have said, I'd be willing to bet that the average State fan couldn't name 10 players on our team. If you only support college athletics, then watching the new age of CFB, which is a lot like pro sports, is a turn off.

[Pancho]

I am a 5 cuz I figure that'll be how many wins we have. I think Lebby is incredible but the schedule is a pure beast.

[Goldendawg]

As per the idea to "skyrocket" the price of FB (and other tickets), there is a free article on genespage on the Top 10 most expensive colleges to attend a FB game, two tickets, parking fee, 2 beers, and 2 hotdogs. We are the #7 most expensive in the nation according to their figures. (I did think their ticket average price was too high). The article appeared a couple of days ago.

[MedDawg]

I am in the very small minority where I wish we put more focus on basketball. It is going to be nearly impossible to compete with how NIL and the portal are combined with the limited amount of donations we get. Basketball is an area though we can put a lot of that focus and still be nationally relevant and be in a position to make noise in March madness. While it might not be as big as football it gets 100 times more national attention than baseball. We ruined our ability to surpass Ole Miss when they were on probation and we didn?t hire Kyle Whittingham when he was interested in our job. Had we just done that our program would be in an entirely different state right now and we would be up there with ole Miss competing at the top of the SEC instead of being near Vandy level now. People didn?t do their easy homework in just researching what a fraud Moorhead was and that has still impacted us to this day

Basketball is certainly the easiest or at least would be most efficient use of NIL. Fewer players per team, and just 2-3 great players can get a team to championship level. With the right coach, anyway.

As far as leaving OM in the dust, neither school has been able to do that to the other. OM had their chance in 2003 but couldn't. We had chances, too, when OM was down. Since Sherrill came to State, neither school has dominated in-state recruiting for more than 2 years in a row.

[Jarius]

As per the idea to "skyrocket" the price of FB (and other tickets), there is a free article on genespage on the Top 10 most expensive colleges to attend a FB game, two tickets, parking fee, 2 beers, and 2 hotdogs. We are the #7 most expensive in the nation according to their figures. (I did think their ticket average price was too high). The article appeared a couple of days ago.

I have been to every single SEC stadium in the sec and then some. There is a zero % chance that is accurate. I would imagine that is why the article was pulled. We get off extremely cheap comparatively.

[viverlibre]

I have been to every single SEC stadium in the sec and then some. There is a zero % chance that is accurate. I would imagine that is why the article was pulled. We get off extremely cheap comparatively.

Concur, from what little i know of ticket prices at other stadiums, we're on the lower end, especially on the secondary market. I'm a longtime season ticket holder, but rarely buys food drink inside the stadium, so i'm not sure where we rank on that. I park for free, which there is plenty of free parking less than a mile's walk, so don't know about that either.

[Goldendawg]

I have been to every single SEC stadium in the sec and then some. There is a zero % chance that is accurate. I would imagine that is why the article was pulled. We get off extremely cheap comparatively.

I looked back yesterday after my post and you are correct the article must have been pulled. In my post, I did mention that I questioned the price that they used for tickets as they used $170 for two tickets (Heck, after over 5 decades as a season ticket holder, there have been far too many games that I couldn't evengive tickets away!***). I was merely reporting the article as posted on genespage. I did question the ticket costs used and it now appears that it was a poorly researched and presented article. Costs of attending college sports have seldom gone down year to year in FB especially.

[schddog72]

Lowest it's ever been. 2.

I can't name 3 players.

Not only this, but I've followed MSU football since 1968 and I've had my heart broken and expectations shattered too many times to get really excited about another football season. BUT, I hope I'm wrong, and hope does spring eternal!! I've forgotten how not to say "Wait until next year!!"