Latest MLB mock draft has....

[Coach34]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/2024-mlb-mock-draft-healthy-jj-wetherholt-goes-no-1-cardinals-use-highest-pick-in-decades-on-high-schooler/ar-BB1plQVe?ocid=BingNewsVerp

Jerk going at 23 to the Dodgers

Jordan on the outside of Round 1

[Coach34]

https://www.mlb.com/video/2024-draft-khal-stephen-rhp

Purdue looking at 3rd/4th round

[Coach34]

Dohm also looking at the 3rd/4th round range because of injury concerns

https://www.mlb.com/video/2024-draft-nate-dohm-rhp


What could have been

[Coach34]

Kills me that many on here said we lacked talent and this is literally the most talented starting rotation we have had in school history unless I have missed a season where we had 3 SP's with this type of talent

[ZedFedder]

If Nate Dohm does not get hurt, I think this team easily hosts and possibly pushes for a national seed.

They still did not do some of the little things well, and every team has injuries.

[Coach34]

If Nate Dohm does not get hurt, I think this team easily hosts and possibly pushes for a national seed.

They still did not do some of the little things well, and every team has injuries.

agree and you have to admit- we have had bad luck with injuries to our top talent. Sims/Simmons/Dohm/Loftin/Pico de Gallo/Grant- thats some serious damn talent we have lost. You can question the injuries- but you cant question the recruiting.

[SPMT]

Kills me that many on here said we lacked talent and this is literally the most talented starting rotation we have had in school history unless I have missed a season where we had 3 SP's with this type of talent

Then we have a coaching problem.

Thinking we may not.

But clearly we did with Foxhall in some form or fashion?.whether strategic or technical.

[KOdawg1]

ESPN had a mock draft yesterday that had Dante Nori going #53 to the Yankees.

If he makes it out of the 2nd round, I think we get him to school.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

A lot of teams lose pitchers. A&M lost one of their best right before Omaha, still made the finals. Arky lost their ace before the season, still a national seed. With these velos you can expect 1/4 pitchers to be injured or coming back from one. We certainly were on the unlucky side of normal, but not by much.

But just think- if only we had a few more top 5 round picks, we could have made it out of the "field of 32"

I can question the recruiting because we had no bullpen and multiple holes in the lineup and we got nothing from our Fr class. I can also question the coaching that we didn't make it out of a regional with multiple top 5 pics.

[SPMT]

A lot of teams lose pitchers. A&M lost one of their best right before Omaha, still made the finals. Arky lost their ace before the season, still a national seed. With these velos you can expect 1/4 pitchers to be injured or coming back from one. We certainly were on the unlucky side of normal, but not by much.

But just think- if only we had a few more top 5 round picks, we could have made it out of the "field of 32"

I can question the recruiting because we had no bullpen and multiple holes in the lineup and we got nothing from our Fr class. I can also question the coaching that we didn't make it out of a regional with multiple top 5 pics.

Yes.

[Coach34]

A lot of teams lose pitchers. A&M lost one of their best right before Omaha, still made the finals. Arky lost their ace before the season, still a national seed. With these velos you can expect 1/4 pitchers to be injured or coming back from one. We certainly were on the unlucky side of normal, but not by much.

But just think- if only we had a few more top 5 round picks, we could have made it out of the "field of 32"

I can question the recruiting because we had no bullpen and multiple holes in the lineup and we got nothing from our Fr class. I can also question the coaching that we didn't make it out of a regional with multiple top 5 pics.

We made the round of 32 in spite of injuries. We overachieved

[Coach34]

Also- you can?t just say ?everybody has injuries?.

WHO gets injured makes a huge ****ing difference in programs year to year

[smootness]

We made the round of 32 in spite of injuries. We overachieved

This is just absurd spin.

[smootness]

Also- you can?t just say ?everybody has injuries?.

WHO gets injured makes a huge ****ing difference in programs year to year

Everyone does.

[Saltydog]

This is just absurd spin.

Exactly. First he says we had all this elite talent and then says we over achieved. It's obvious he's not taking his bi-polar meds again.

[Coach34]

We've lost our Friday night guy 2 of the last 3 seasons. That's a huge deal

When Shapen gets hurt this Fall- I guess the proper response is everybody has injuries.

[Coach34]

A lot of teams lose pitchers. A&M lost one of their best right before Omaha, still made the finals. Arky lost their ace before the season, still a national seed. With these velos you can expect 1/4 pitchers to be injured or coming back from one. We certainly were on the unlucky side of normal, but not by much.
.

A&M had no pitching left in G3 because of it against Tenn and lost a title
We have a Natty because Rocker was having arm problems that he still hasnt recovered from.
Mississippi losing Hoglund crippled their 2021 also

It matters who gets hurt when its your weekend guys

[smootness]

A&M had no pitching left in G3 because of it against Tenn and lost a title
We have a Natty because Rocker was having arm problems that he still hasnt recovered from.
Mississippi losing Hoglund crippled their 2021 also

It matters who gets hurt when its your weekend guys

Tennessee lost their Friday night guy early in the year.

It happens to everyone.

[Pancho]

world class recruiters have talent waiting to play.

[Coach34]

world class recruiters have talent waiting to play.

With NIL- that wont ever be us

[The Federalist Engineer]

A&M had no pitching left in G3 because of it against Tenn and lost a title
We have a Natty because Rocker was having arm problems that he still hasnt recovered from.
Mississippi losing Hoglund crippled their 2021 also

It matters who gets hurt when its your weekend guys

MSU lost the 2016 title because a Pet player dropped a fly ball and he blew a save in same damn weekend. Lost two games in one weekend. Historically, it will be a double down to left field, but dog fans know we had a shitty left fielder and a shitty closer in game-2. Turns out it was the same shitty player.

In 1989, someone with 1.0 thinking decided MSU should use our All American pitching versus Western Carolina and Nicholls State instead of North Carolina, blew a damn series. Dumbass award candidate for 1989, but even dumber shit was done in 1989.

In 2013, MSU had a kid that completely hacked the 2013 baseball. completely. Instead, MSU started a walk-on level player that basically game UCLA a championship. That's was Cohen thinking he had to have a "starter" no matter how shitty that starter was. Vitello is strong enough to pull a dude after 8 pitches.

Thats baseball, hindsight and regret is 20-20, Vandy overused Rocket and messed up his future, that's on Corbin. Not MSU.

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[Goldendawg]

With NIL- that wont ever be us

You have become a Lemonis apologist and spin doctor. NIL and portal are what they are at this time. Embrace, do what you can, have hope or just be negative all the time. Hail State!

[Coach34]

You have become a Lemonis apologist and spin doctor. NIL and portal are what they are at this time. Embrace, do what you can, have hope or just be negative all the time. Hail State!

I really dont care. Fire Lemon and hire another guy. It's not going to matter with NIL. Baseball has now become like recruiting in football. The Big Boys are going to get the shiny toys. We have to recruit well and Moneyball our way to success as Mullen did

As Hoops said- Tenn is going to steal one of Mississippi's best players because they offered twice as much money. We have done a fantastic job of keeping our top guys- fought off Georgia last year for Jordan. But it's going to get tougher and tougher

[Goldendawg]

I really dont care. Fire Lemon and hire another guy. It's not going to matter with NIL. Baseball has now become like recruiting in football. The Big Boys are going to get the shiny toys. We have to recruit well and Moneyball our way to success as Mullen did

As Hoops said- Tenn is going to steal one of Mississippi's best players because they offered twice as much money. We have done a fantastic job of keeping our top guys- fought off Georgia last year for Jordan. But it's going to get tougher and tougher

Agree with yhou that we have to play Moneyball, probably in all major sports with good, exciting HC's who know how to play the NIL/Portal games with a focus on 24/7 recruiting on HS and JC. Relationships will still matter in similar $ situations. Going to take the right blend of all these things to be successful in any college sport. I don't like it, but not giving up. Even joined BI. Hail State!

[msudawg1200]

agree and you have to admit- we have had bad luck with injuries to our top talent. Sims/Simmons/Dohm/Loftin/Pico de Gallo/Grant- thats some serious damn talent we have lost. You can question the injuries- but you cant question the recruiting.

So, all this talent, and we couldn't even host a damn regional? And get out of here with injuries. Every team deals with them. If we were so talented there is no way we overachieved as you stated.

[Todd4State]

I really dont care. Fire Lemon and hire another guy. It's not going to matter with NIL. Baseball has now become like recruiting in football. The Big Boys are going to get the shiny toys. We have to recruit well and Moneyball our way to success as Mullen did

As Hoops said- Tenn is going to steal one of Mississippi's best players because they offered twice as much money. We have done a fantastic job of keeping our top guys- fought off Georgia last year for Jordan. But it's going to get tougher and tougher

The market is the market. Ole Miss is losing Fisher and Doyle because they don't have the money to make a counter offer. That's an Ole Miss baseball problem. Not a MSU baseball problem.

Tennessee isn't exactly lighting it up in the portal right now by the way.

[StarkVegasSteve]

MSU lost the 2016 title because a Pet player dropped a fly ball and he blew a save in same damn weekend. Lost two games in one weekend. Historically, it will be a double down to left field, but dog fans know we had a shitty left fielder and a shitty closer in game-2. Turns out it was the same shitty player.

In 1989, someone with 1.0 thinking decided MSU should use our All American pitching versus Western Carolina and Nicholls State instead of North Carolina, blew a damn series. Dumbass award candidate for 1989, but even dumber shit was done in 1989.

In 2013, MSU had a kid that completely hacked the 2013 baseball. completely. Instead, MSU started a walk-on level player that basically game UCLA a championship. That's was Cohen thinking he had to have a "starter" no matter how shitty that starter was. Vitello is strong enough to pull a dude after 8 pitches.

Thats baseball, hindsight and regret is 20-20, Vandy overused Rocket and messed up his future, that's on Corbin. Not MSU.

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You left out 2.0 wasting Maholm Game 1 of the 03 Regional when he would've shut down UNC. We would've hosted a Super and probably gone on to Omaha that year.

[SilentSteel16]

You do realize that moneyball WORKS because you have multi year contracts on players …. Moneyball does not apply in a year to year exchange.

[StarkVegasSteve]

You do realize that moneyball WORKS because you have multi year contracts on players …. Moneyball does not apply in a year to year exchange.

Moneyball works because you find value where other people don't. It There's constantly new people coming into college baseball or wanting a chance. You just have to constantly be on top of that. It's why a guy like Paul DePodesta was so valuable when Beane first implemented it. He was so far and away ahead of everyone that it took teams a few years to catch up.

[Coach34]

So, all this talent, and we couldn't even host a damn regional? And get out of here with injuries. Every team deals with them. If we were so talented there is no way we overachieved as you stated.

Doesnt matter if the talent isnt on the field- thats the whole point

[Coach34]

Moneyball works because you find value where other people don't. It There's constantly new people coming into college baseball or wanting a chance. You just have to constantly be on top of that. It's why a guy like Paul DePodesta was so valuable when Beane first implemented it. He was so far and away ahead of everyone that it took teams a few years to catch up.

Exactly- our future success will be in finding the Hugesak/Ledbetter types

[Todd4State]

MSU lost the 2016 title because a Pet player dropped a fly ball and he blew a save in same damn weekend. Lost two games in one weekend. Historically, it will be a double down to left field, but dog fans know we had a shitty left fielder and a shitty closer in game-2. Turns out it was the same shitty player.

In 1989, someone with 1.0 thinking decided MSU should use our All American pitching versus Western Carolina and Nicholls State instead of North Carolina, blew a damn series. Dumbass award candidate for 1989, but even dumber shit was done in 1989.

In 2013, MSU had a kid that completely hacked the 2013 baseball. completely. Instead, MSU started a walk-on level player that basically game UCLA a championship. That's was Cohen thinking he had to have a "starter" no matter how shitty that starter was. Vitello is strong enough to pull a dude after 8 pitches.

Thats baseball, hindsight and regret is 20-20, Vandy overused Rocket and messed up his future, that's on Corbin. Not MSU.

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Polk never could manage a pitching staff. There is zero downside to saving your ace if you are a one seed. Worst case scenario you lose and then you have your ace and a decided advantage in an elimination game.

Most likely outcome you have your ace available for someone's number two again giving an advantage.

We probably win a NC in 2013 with a healthy Brandon Woodruff.

[Cooterpoot]

Moneyball works because you find value where other people don't. It There's constantly new people coming into college baseball or wanting a chance. You just have to constantly be on top of that. It's why a guy like Paul DePodesta was so valuable when Beane first implemented it. He was so far and away ahead of everyone that it took teams a few years to catch up.

Moneyball's time has passed. Too much money out there now to go cheap and take risks. The teams winning big are the ones going big. We can keep piddling around with middle of the road talent if we want, but middle of the road is what we'll be. You've got to get a couple big timers to go with those value guys.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Moneyball's time has passed. Too much money out there now to go cheap and take risks. The teams winning big are the ones going big. We can keep piddling around with middle of the road talent if we want, but middle of the road is what we'll be. You've got to get a couple big timers to go with those value guys.

Which is exactly what Moneyball had. People seem to forget that they had Zito, Hudson, and Mulder on the mound. They also had Eric Chavez at 3B and Miguel Tejada at SS, who I think won the AL MVP in 03. Moneyball is finding guys that other teams undervalue and plug them in with your stars. It's not building a team completely of under valued guys.

It is also reliant on great pitching.

[Coach34]

Which is exactly what Moneyball had. People seem to forget that they had Zito, Hudson, and Mulder on the mound. They also had Eric Chavez at 3B and Miguel Tejada at SS, who I think won the AL MVP in 03. Moneyball is finding guys that other teams undervalue and plug them in with your stars. It's not building a team completely of under valued guys.

It is also reliant on great pitching.

Exactly. The key is to continue to pull some big HS recruits and develop them while adding your Moneyball portals. We're not going to beat out Tenn/LSU/A&M/Fla for the top portal guys- just like we dont beat out the top SEC powers in football for top guys. But we can sign really good HS guys like we have been and keep adding the Hugesak/Debrule/Ledbetters to go with them

[confucius say]

We can't say we didn't lose Skenes and Holman and Montgomery because of $ and then also say we don't have enough $ to compete in NIL.
Doesn't compute.

[Saltydog]

Not to mention they lost Chase Burns to Wake Forest.........

[Coach34]

We can't say we didn't lose Skenes and Holman and Montgomery because of $ and then also say we don't have enough $ to compete in NIL.
Doesn't compute.

Montgomery was never coming to State- we didnt "lose" him. His parents started the process in an attempt to get him home and he said **** that. Montgomery never really considered us

Holman never really considered us.

Skenes was never really coming to StarkVegas either. LSU sold him early on. Our State media tried to play it up like we were in the mix- but we really werent. We were coming off a bad season and they tried to create some excitement

[Coach34]

Not to mention they lost Chase Burns to Wake Forest.........

Yes- The great Vitello lost Burns to Wake after the ESPN lovefest with Wake's pitching lab. Vitello wouldnt guarantee that he would be a SP

[Coach34]

And to put it in perspective about Montgomery and how the State sites try to push some excitement and narratives- I was told that Montgomery talked to Hines during the summer but he never talked to Lemon even once. It was his parents trying to get everything going and they were the go-between

[MoreCowbell]

Polk never could manage a pitching staff. There is zero downside to saving your ace if you are a one seed. Worst case scenario you lose and then you have your ace and a decided advantage in an elimination game.

Most likely outcome you have your ace available for someone's number two again giving an advantage.

We probably win a NC in 2013 with a healthy Brandon Woodruff.

Refresh my memory, I thought Woodruff was one of those guys that could never put it all together until he got to pro ball. Didnt he struggle while here?

[Todd4State]

Refresh my memory, I thought Woodruff was one of those guys that could never put it all together until he got to pro ball. Didnt he struggle while here?

He was injured which is why he struggled. He had a fracture in his arm. Once that healed up he was fine.

[Todd4State]

And to put it in perspective about Montgomery and how the State sites try to push some excitement and narratives- I was told that Montgomery talked to Hines during the summer but he never talked to Lemon even once. It was his parents trying to get everything going and they were the go-between

That is true. They wanted him closer to home.

[ArrowDawg]

We made the round of 32 in spite of injuries. We overachieved

Fans like you are always the ones who would have us all believe that:

A) MSU is the unluckiest school in every sport with injuries every year

B) Officials/referees/umpires have it out for MSU and are more biased against us than anybody.


It's always something. That way we don't have to hold anybody accountable, and we never have to explain why we don't live up to any expectations. Just point to the most convenient excuse at the time, and that solves the problem. LOSERS

[confucius say]

Montgomery was never coming to State- we didnt "lose" him. His parents started the process in an attempt to get him home and he said **** that. Montgomery never really considered us

Holman never really considered us.

Skenes was never really coming to StarkVegas either. LSU sold him early on. Our State media tried to play it up like we were in the mix- but we really werent. We were coming off a bad season and they tried to create some excitement

Exactly (although I'd argue the latter two considered us). My point is lack of money didn't cost us those three studs. We can't blame NIL. They just didn't want to come here because they liked other staffs and situations more than ours.

[basedog]

Exactly (although I'd argue the latter two considered us). My point is lack of money didn't cost us those three studs. We can't blame NIL. They just didn't want to come here because they liked other staffs and situations more than ours.

You nailed this, money wasn't the problem.

[BB30]

Also- you can?t just say ?everybody has injuries?.

WHO gets injured makes a huge ****ing difference in programs year to year

I could be wrong but didn't A and M have two of their best players get injured at some point in the season and they still made it to the finals. Same can be said for one of Tennessee's top arms who didn't pitch at the CWS I believe.

Injuries happen, it's unfortunate we had a couple that were big but you've got to be able to overcome some of that. If you are that shallow on the mound the odds of making it a whole season without an injury that would cripple you is pretty low. Bullpen has got to continue to improve next year. They started to get it together towards the end of the season but pitching hurt in some of the midweek blunders early on in the season. Can't have atrocious midweek outings and drop games to bad teams. Don't drop the midweeks and we are probably in a better position than playing at UVA.

Your football takes are pretty good, your understanding of baseball is a little skewed or surface level. Nothing wrong with that, I'd just quit pushing this we "overachieved" stuff. I will say I think the normal for our baseball program will be what we saw this year.

We will be a very tough regional opponent with a shot at making the supers every year but the thought that we are a perennial super regional host team most years is just not realistic.

[Coach34]

Hilarious. Thanks Earl Weaver.

Losing your #1 guy 2 of the last 3 years-Especially considering both were considered possible 1st round picks in the draft- is a big ****ing deal. If my "surface level" understanding of baseball is too far above you, I'm sorry.

We had Chance, Larry, Pulliam, Downs, Long, and Powell in the line-up day after day this past season. We had our Top 150 player in Hines struggle all year because he went poor man's Ted Williams on us trying to pull everything. Yet, we still made the round of 32 after losing our #1 SP. That's overachieving in anybody's book with brain power above a cucumber.

Now if you want to question recruiting/talent level of position players???? That's a different convo

[smootness]

Tennessee won the whole thing after losing their #1.

And regardless of his talent level, Dohm had a 4 ERA last year. Acting like that one loss means a halfway decent year is suddenly now overachieving is just insanity.

[Coach34]

Tennessee won the whole thing after losing their #1.

And regardless of his talent level, Dohm had a 4 ERA last year. Acting like that one loss means a halfway decent year is suddenly now overachieving is just insanity.

Dohm had a 1.23 ERA last year.

Losing your #1 doesnt only remove him but it changes the way your whole staff has to work as well. Losing that is a big deal. But we not only last Dohm- we lost Simmons and Loftin also. Dohm was just the biggest piece

Tenn overcame it by having the best line up in the country. That's not going to happen at Miss State in this new era we have entered.

Mississippi lost their ACE also- how did they turn out?

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Coach,

1) you can't defend coaches by citing Hines' terrible approach at the plate. It's the coaches job to teach him to use the whole field.

2) you can't defend the coaches by citing all the sub par players in our lineup. It's the coaches jobs to recruit studs. Long is the only guy they get a pass for due to the injury to highfill

3) you say the "field of 32" was an overachievement. What do you want to bet that of the healthy players alone we have more drafted than many teams that made a Super? We objectively had more MLB talent on the field than many many other programs that had better seasons. Why? Well, mostly recruiting misses and bad offensive coaching.

Overall, you want to have your cake and eat it too. You make posts about our high draft picks to praise Lemos recruiting, then say our talent sucked so Lemo did good to even make the "field of 32"

[Pancho]

all this could have been improved with better coaching decisions. no question and I still say Lemo will never field a team as talented as he was handed the first couple or 3 years he was here. If we do have injuries, then prove the recruiting by actually having capable backups. now go win some games

[Coach34]

Coach,

1) you can't defend coaches by citing Hines' terrible approach at the plate. It's the coaches job to teach him to use the whole field.

2) you can't defend the coaches by citing all the sub par players in our lineup. It's the coaches jobs to recruit studs. Long is the only guy they get a pass for due to the injury to highfill

3) you say the "field of 32" was an overachievement. What do you want to bet that of the healthy players alone we have more drafted than many teams that made a Super? We objectively had more MLB talent on the field than many many other programs that had better seasons. Why? Well, mostly recruiting misses and bad offensive coaching.

Overall, you want to have your cake and eat it too. You make posts about our high draft picks to praise Lemos recruiting, then say our talent sucked so Lemo did good to even make the "field of 32"

1. Hitting coaches arent much of a big deal. Coordinate the video cut ups and lets go over pitch selection. a Grad Asst can do that. Hines controls what he does at the plate. GoTro's main job is recruiting

2. Glad you acknowledged that we lacked some talent in our hitting line-up. Recruiting is a different convo from what we put on the field this year plus how they competed and overachieved. If you compare Chance/Larry/Long/Powell/Pulliam/Chester to the rest of the top teams in the SEC we come up short. Yes- I agree the roster left a lot to be desired and thats on Lemon. But those guys played for us this year and its hard to say we didnt overachieve. Remember all of you talking about how we lacked talent before the season???? Then add to that Highfill missed the season, Downs got hurt and missed alot of games, Kohler got hurt in Game 1 and had to gut it out all season.

3. We will have a ton of draft picks- mostly pitchers. That doesnt make our hitting line-up more talented

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

1. Hitting coaches arent much of a big deal. Coordinate the video cut ups and lets go over pitch selection. a Grad Asst can do that. Hines controls what he does at the plate. GoTro's main job is recruiting

2. Glad you acknowledged that we lacked some talent in our hitting line-up. Recruiting is a different convo from what we put on the field this year plus how they competed and overachieved. If you compare Chance/Larry/Long/Powell/Pulliam/Chester to the rest of the top teams in the SEC we come up short. Yes- I agree the roster left a lot to be desired and thats on Lemon. But those guys played for us this year and its hard to say we didnt overachieve. Remember all of you talking about how we lacked talent before the season???? Then add to that Highfill missed the season, Downs got hurt and missed alot of games, Kohler got hurt in Game 1 and had to gut it out all season.

3. We will have a ton of draft picks- mostly pitchers. That doesnt make our hitting line-up more talented

Ultimately, it was year 6. 100% Lemos team. He produced "field of 32l results with his undeniably top 20 resources. That isn't cutting it, but at least it's not dismal like years 4 and 5 were.

We'll see how it goes next year. That's all there really is to say at this point

[Coach34]

We had a good year. Injuries basically kept us out of a Super or even Omaha.

Next year? Lemon has to answer the bell again. Nobody disputes that. We have a Top 10 portal class and will know by Monday if we get our prized recruit to campus when the draft happens. Lots to be excited about in baseball. It's not like football where we hope to make a bowl game or basketball where we hope to make the NCAA Torney. And baseball is the toughest sport of the 3 to be successful in.

[smootness]

Injuries will happen every year. Top programs do not use a relatively normal level of injuries as an excuse.

[smootness]

And baseball is the toughest sport of the 3 to be successful in.

In the SEC with our history and program? Please.

[Pancho]

it'll always be extra tough with Lemo. He just is lacking in so many areas but he is the best we could get.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

And baseball is the toughest sport of the 3 to be successful in.

It's so hard to succeed in Baseball, half the conference doesn't even host

[Coach34]

I was talking about how hard it is top to bottom. 6 different teams winning a Natty in the last 7 seasons. That's ridiculous

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

I was talking about how hard it is top to bottom. 6 different teams winning a Natty in the last 7 seasons. That's ridiculous

It is certainly extremely difficult to be the BEST team in the conference. It is also extremely easy to be a top 16 team and make super regionals.

So I agree with you if your point is that "you can't expect Lemo to finish in the top 3 of the SEC every year". I disagree with you if you're saying "the SEC is hard so we should accept a "field of 32" result as normal"

[Coach34]

Well its the same in football. The SEC puts 9-10 teams in bowl games and now that number will grow with Texas and OU.

The difference in football its the same top teams in the SEC over and over. In baseball its a different team year after year

[Todd4State]

Well its the same in football. The SEC puts 9-10 teams in bowl games and now that number will grow with Texas and OU.

The difference in football its the same top teams in the SEC over and over. In baseball its a different team year after year

The difference is you can finish 8th in the SEC in baseball and still have a realistic chance at winning a NC.

Finish 8th in football in the SEC and you're going to the Liberty Bowl.

[Todd4State]

all this could have been improved with better coaching decisions. no question and I still say Lemo will never field a team as talented as he was handed the first couple or 3 years he was here. If we do have injuries, then prove the recruiting by actually having capable backups. now go win some games

If the draft falls the way it is expected to this year our 2026 team could absolutely be as talented as any team we've had.

Not saying that we will win a NC in 2026 but based on our recruiting out of high school we appear to be on a path to be as good as we ever have been.

I think Lemonis has had to learn some lessons the hard way unfortunately for us. But no matter- if he gets us back to where we want to be. I think he has learned that the M over S isn't magical just because you are wearing it and you show up and the ghosts of Dudy Noble just show up whenever needed.

[Todd4State]

It is certainly extremely difficult to be the BEST team in the conference. It is also extremely easy to be a top 16 team and make super regionals.

So I agree with you if your point is that "you can't expect Lemo to finish in the top 3 of the SEC every year". I disagree with you if you're saying "the SEC is hard so we should accept a "field of 32" result as normal"

SR is still the standard. I'm not happy with last season but a top 25 season is acceptable even if it isn't the standard in that we're not going to fire the coach for a regional exit. Especially in a year where we won 17 SEC games.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

SR is still the standard. I'm not happy with last season but a top 25 season is acceptable even if it isn't the standard in that we're not going to fire the coach for a regional exit. Especially in a year where we won 17 SEC games.

We're on the same page regarding our expectations and last season; a little bit of a disappointment, but not anything you'd consider a black mark on a coaches resume. My thing is that when you pair it with the previous 2 seasons, that "slightly below standard" season doesn't make up for the lost ground. Like SC fired their coach after making the tourney as a 2 seed, and his 2 seasons prior were better than Lemos.

[Todd4State]

We're on the same page regarding our expectations and last season; a little bit of a disappointment, but not anything you'd consider a black mark on a coaches resume. My thing is that when you pair it with the previous 2 seasons, that "slightly below standard" season doesn't make up for the lost ground. Like SC fired their coach after making the tourney as a 2 seed, and his 2 seasons prior were better than Lemos.

The good news for Lemonis is his last year was the best of the three- indicating an upward trend. For now.

I don't think he is any real danger but he has to have a season similar or better to insure he stays. A season like 2022-2023 and I think we pull the trigger. But I also think he wins enough to keep that from happening.

[Coach34]

I just don’t get into all the “he better make a Super or he’s got to go” crap. What if he pulls a Van Horn- national seed but loses the Regional? We gonna fire a guy that had us in the Top 10 at the end of the Regular season and loses the Regional- but he’s fine if he is a 2 seed but wins the Regional?

No- no we’re not

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

I just don’t get into all the “he better make a Super or he’s got to go” crap. What if he pulls a Van Horn- national seed but loses the Regional? We gonna fire a guy that had us in the Top 10 at the end of the Regular season and loses the Regional- but he’s fine if he is a 2 seed but wins the Regional?

No- no we’re not

Obviously. Baseball is too unpredictable to fire a coach over 1-2 games, which is all it takes to derail a regional and miss a Super.

We understand being a national seed = the coach put together a damned good team and for whatever reason it just didn't go our way in the regional. Ultimately, "make a Super" is shorthand for "be very good in the regular season OR have postseason success". Either is acceptable, but we'd prefer postseason if we have to pick.

[Coach34]

I mean we are all at the same place- be good or be gone.

[Todd4State]

I just don’t get into all the “he better make a Super or he’s got to go” crap. What if he pulls a Van Horn- national seed but loses the Regional? We gonna fire a guy that had us in the Top 10 at the end of the Regular season and loses the Regional- but he’s fine if he is a 2 seed but wins the Regional?

No- no we’re not

If he does that obviously he will be back. But if he simply just makes a regional 3-4 years in a row we may make a change.

That would mean that we have gotten stagnant and are failing in the postseason. And that is clearly below our standard.

And again- I don't think that happens. So it's moot.

[State82]

If he does that obviously he will be back. But if he simply just makes a regional 3-4 years in a row we may make a change.

That would mean that we have gotten stagnant and are failing in the postseason. And that is clearly below our standard.

And again- I don't think that happens. So it's moot.

I really do not believe that will happen either. Never say never, but I just don't think it will.