Death of college sports by NIL

[coastratdog]

https://sports.yahoo.com/10-members-nc-state-1983-211939816.html?

How far back will this reach?

TJC

[Saltydog]

The greed is going to be the death of collegiate athletics. I think a lot of people are "checking out" so to speak. Sure, they'll watch but I'm seeing a lot of people who just don't have a vested interest in it like they did before all this BS went into effect.

[Dawgology]

The greed is going to be the death of collegiate athletics. I think a lot of people are "checking out" so to speak. Sure, they'll watch but I'm seeing a lot of people who just don't have a vested interest in it like they did before all this BS went into effect.

Personally, I stopped buying season tickets a couple of years back when it all started with the transfer portal/NIL/etc. I realized I didn't know (or care) who was on the team. Plus, we will never be able to compete with the bluebloods, with NIL widening that gap even more. Sure, I'll watch the games on TV and maybe attend one game a year if I can find good tickets, but for me, the connection was MSU students playing on the field for the maroon and white. Now it's just mercenary mentality...NFL-lite. Maybe I'm just getting older, and I'm jaded, but it's just where I'm at right now with college sports in general. At least the NFL is up front with you that it's all about the paycheck. College football needs to stop selling the "pomp and pageantry" line. It's not that anymore.

[Goldendawg]

Personally, I stopped buying season tickets a couple of years back when it all started with the transfer portal/NIL/etc. I realized I didn't know (or care) who was on the team. Plus, we will never be able to compete with the bluebloods, with NIL widening that gap even more. Sure, I'll watch the games on TV and maybe attend one game a year if I can find good tickets, but for me, the connection was MSU students playing on the field for the maroon and white. Now it's just mercenary mentality...NFL-lite. Maybe I'm just getting older, and I'm jaded, but it's just where I'm at right now with college sports in general. At least the NFL is up front with you that it's all about the paycheck. College football needs to stop selling the "pomp and pageantry" line. It's not that anymore.

You will have no trouble finding tickets if they attempt to follow ideas (recent survey), of increased seating fees of $1500 to $2400 to even $4000 per seat if lower West side is chairbacked. Friend of mine moved up 8 rows in Section D for a better view (8 seats). He said it was unreal how many empty seats were now available in this hardcore, Bulldog Club section. I got an email that there was a seat(s) available by me (his) if my group needed more seats (we have 8 also). Then yesterday, ticket office sent out an email on how season tickets were a great Fathers's Day gift. We are headed to more and more premium seating at very high prices, many longtime fans priced out and paying more for pay per view at home. Programming for the networks with little need for butts in the seats for few other than "Bluebloods" Our 60 year run of season tickets and not so small Bulldog donations will end. Sad for current and future generations.

[Cooterpoot]

Once schools are no longer a part of the NCAA, they'll be able to get away from most of this. I give it another 2 years. The NCAA is about to be broke and dead when the schools get out.

[Negative Waves]

The greed is going to be the death of collegiate athletics. I think a lot of people are "checking out" so to speak. Sure, they'll watch but I'm seeing a lot of people who just don't have a vested interest in it like they did before all this BS went into effect.

I foresee college football going the same path as Nascar in terms of fan interest and attendance. In 20 years, I wouldn't be surprised if the stadiums are half full and tv ratings are much lower than they are. If I want to watch paid athletes, I'll watch the NFL. Like what was said above, the new group of players have no tie to the school and can jump ship anytime. There's no more watching the development of a player over his 4-5 years at State. Now it's go out and get whoever will take what you're willing to pay.

[Goldendawg]

Once schools are no longer a part of the NCAA, they'll be able to get away from most of this. I give it another 2 years. The NCAA is about to be broke and dead when the schools get out.

The greed of the NCAA & out of control salaries for HC's vs. player share of the revenue brought this on. At least NFL has salary caps and contracts where the players may stay a few years and you will know who is on the dang roster. No more watching players grow. Now instead of saying player is from which HS of JC, you tell his previous portal stop. I used to know the background of most of the roster. Went to Hailstate recently and didn't recognize 40% of the names of players. We have 45 or so new players on rosters. Many schools have even more. Clemson took no portal players last cycle. Will be very interesting to watch this vs. portal teams.

[parabrave]

You will have no trouble finding tickets if they attempt to follow ideas (recent survey), of increased seating fees of $1500 to $2400 to even $4000 per seat if lower West side is chairbacked. Friend of mine moved up 8 rows in Section D for a better view (8 seats). He said it was unreal how many empty seats were now available in this hardcore, Bulldog Club section. I got an email that there was a seat(s) available by me (his) if my group needed more seats (we have 8 also). Then yesterday, ticket office sent out an email on how season tickets were a great Fathers's Day gift. We are headed to more and more premium seating at very high prices, many longtime fans priced out and paying more for pay per view at home. Programming for the networks with little need for butts in the seats for few other than "Bluebloods" Our 60 year run of season tickets and not so small Bulldog donations will end. Sad for current and future generations.

in 1993 I would go up to the ticket window morning of the game after driving up from Biloxi, buy a seat in Sec G. Northwest corner of Stadium Row 50/ Great seat panoramic view of stadium 40 bucks. No Ticketmaster fees either. Would park on the Ramp at the 82/12 intersection overpass and walk to the game. Great times.

[Cooterpoot]

The greed of the NCAA & out of control salaries for HC's vs. player share of the revenue brought this on. At least NFL has salary caps and contracts where the players may stay a few years and you will know who is on the dang roster. No more watching players grow. Now instead of saying player is from which HS of JC, you tell his previous portal stop. I used to know the background of most of the roster. Went to Hailstate recently and didn't recognize 40% of the names of players. We have 45 or so new players on rosters. Many schools have even more. Clemson took no portal players last cycle. Will be very interesting to watch this vs. portal teams.


It's not nearly as bad as people want to claim. Each year will vary. Whatever happened to fans supporting the 17ing school instead of the individual name on the jersey? Kids are only four year participants anyway. People not supporting their school is worse than the portal. Fans don't support losing teams in general and football hasn't been much fun since Mullen left. If we start winning games, stands will fill up. Nobody goes to lame OOC games at any school.

[Goldendawg]

It's not nearly as bad as people want to claim. Each year will vary. Whatever happened to fans supporting the 17ing school instead of the individual name on the jersey? Kids are only four year participants anyway. People not supporting their school is worse than the portal.

Family has been supporting school with much $ for over 60 years both in the classroom (many grads and son in in grad summer masters program as we speak) and athletic programs, Bulldog Club and now NIL. Always support the name on front of jersey, but nice to know background of name on the back and watch them grow and improve. Game has changed.

[DownwardDawg]

For the first time in my life, I may start watching High School football.

[Extendedcab]

It's not nearly as bad as people want to claim. Each year will vary. Whatever happened to fans supporting the 17ing school instead of the individual name on the jersey? Kids are only four year participants anyway. People not supporting their school is worse than the portal. Fans don't support losing teams in general and football hasn't been much fun since Mullen left. If we start winning games, stands will fill up. Nobody goes to lame OOC games at any school.


It happened when the kids lost their allegiance to schools in favor of money! They are now pros and not amateurs, enjoy the results!

[parabrave]

I foresee college football going the same path as Nascar in terms of fan interest and attendance. In 20 years, I wouldn't be surprised if the stadiums are half full and tv ratings are much lower than they are. If I want to watch paid athletes, I'll watch the NFL. Like what was said above, the new group of players have no tie to the school and can jump ship anytime. There's no more watching the development of a player over his 4-5 years at State. Now it's go out and get whoever will take what you're willing to pay.

As with many of you I am dear friends with some of the players from earlier years, early 80s, and every single one of them are true maroon and do attend every home game. I've talked to a few of the later dogs and they are also true maroon. And to be fair so are the Rebs and the Eagles. I doubt you will ever see that loyalty anymore from any of the players. They are all paid mercs now so please stop with the AD office prepared "blessed" or "Family" tweets as not to insult our intelligence.

[Ranchdawg]

I’ve paid a lot of money to our university. Bulldog club dues, season tickets baseball and football. Graduated two kids with a third that attended and was a cheerleader came home for nursing school and now have a granddaughter that is a co-ed cheerleader at State. I’ve not contributed to NIL because it’s the demise of college sports imo. I have not renewed season tickets this year for football because there is zero and do mean ZERO chance that our football team will be able win because of the NIL. Or win anything other than some meaningless bowl game. The disparity between us and the Bama’s LSU’s TAM Texas etc have just grown into something that we will not be able to overcome. This era of college football is something I want no part of.

Yes players have been being paid for a long time. But in State typical fashion we never ever really stepped up and paid big time money for players. Just to show how much more other SEC teams were paying others were buying players moma’s a house but we were buying just furniture for the players moma’s house.

[ScooterDog]

I?ve never seen an NIL contract, but in today?s business world there should be a clause in it whereby the player must return the payments if he/she leaves before a certain date.

[Cooterpoot]

I?ve paid a lot of money to our university. Bulldog club dues, season tickets baseball and football. Graduated two kids with a third that attended and was a cheerleader came home for nursing school and now have a granddaughter that is a co-ed cheerleader at State. I?ve not contributed to NIL because it?s the demise of college sports imo. I have not renewed season tickets this year for football because there is zero and do mean ZERO chance that our football team will be able win because of the NIL. Or win anything other than some meaningless bowl game. The disparity between us and the Bama?s LSU?s TAM Texas etc have just grown into something that we will not be able to overcome. This era of college football is something I want no part of.

Yes players have been being paid for a long time. But in State typical fashion we never ever really stepped up and paid big time money for players. Just to show how much more other SEC teams were paying others were buying players moma?s a house but we were buying just furniture for the players moma?s house.

Too many State fans like this^^
We've never regularly competed with any of those teams and our football history is far worse than a bowl game. But it's the end of it all? 😂
We've got the sorriest excuse for a fan base in college football. Just a bunch of quitters with a new excuse.**Sorry Ranch, you caught a stray there**

[Cowbell]

Too many State fans like this^^
We've never regularly competed with any of those teams and our football history is far worse than a bowl game. But it's the end of it all? 😂
We've got the sorriest excuse for a fan base in college football. Just a bunch of quitters with a new excuse.
What about his post makes him a sorry excuse of a fan????

[DownwardDawg]

Too many State fans like this^^
We've never regularly competed with any of those teams and our football history is far worse than a bowl game. But it's the end of it all? ��
We've got the sorriest excuse for a fan base in college football. Just a bunch of quitters with a new excuse.

I work with mostly LSU fans. There are 180 people at the location I work at. Most make $160k and much higher. Not ONE of them give to NIL. When I ask them if they do, they look at me like I have a pecker growing out of my forehead!! They all say the same thing...."let the millionaire athletes and businessmen pay that shit".

So, it ain't just State fans that are pathetic I guess. It's most normal human beings.

[Goldendawg]

I’ve paid a lot of money to our university. Bulldog club dues, season tickets baseball and football. Graduated two kids with a third that attended and was a cheerleader came home for nursing school and now have a granddaughter that is a co-ed cheerleader at State. I’ve not contributed to NIL because it’s the demise of college sports imo. I have not renewed season tickets this year for football because there is zero and do mean ZERO chance that our football team will be able win because of the NIL. Or win anything other than some meaningless bowl game. The disparity between us and the Bama’s LSU’s TAM Texas etc have just grown into something that we will not be able to overcome. This era of college football is something I want no part of.

Yes players have been being paid for a long time. But in State typical fashion we never ever really stepped up and paid big time money for players. Just to show how much more other SEC teams were paying others were buying players moma’s a house but we were buying just furniture for the players moma’s house.

We have been playing the game just not as successfully as other bigger SEC programs. Even in the early '70's my late Superdog Dad and many other State fans in his organization bought a few new cars and even a tractor or two for family members. Our problem historically is that we are terrible at cheating and usually got caught and put on probation over the decades. At one time I think we and Auburn were tied for the most times put on probation. Recently we would confess and our self imposed penalty was worse than what the NCAA might have given. See the DB from Memphis, Redmon, when Dan was here. A used Mustang and he lost a year and a half eligibility at our suggestion with other penalties. Other programs recently lawyered up and fought the greedy, corupt NCAA which will soon go the way of the Dodo bird and it is long overdue.

[Cooterpoot]

What about his post makes him a sorry excuse of a fan????

If you don't attend and/or you don't give money, you're a dead weight curb fan unless you just can't afford it or you aren't physically able. And I've been there. I couldn't go after I had health issues for both reasons. But to say you won't support football? Even after the best 10 year run we've had in probably forever? And say suddenly we can't compete with teams we've never competed with? And I'm sure Ranch is a good guy, have no doubt, but our fan base is trash as a whole.

[Cooterpoot]

I work with mostly LSU fans. There are 180 people at the location I work at. Most make $160k and much higher. Not ONE of them give to NIL. When I ask them if they do, they look at me like I have a pecker growing out of my forehead!! They all say the same thing...."let the millionaire athletes and businessmen pay that shit".

So, it ain't just State fans that are pathetic I guess. It's most normal human beings.

NIL is going to be part of our budget soon. To not attend and/or give is a killer. I don't care if folks don't give to NIL, but to come say you aren't going to support football because we can't compete, coming off a good 10 year run is silly talk and it's common in our fan base. And our fan base is a fraction of LSUs already. We've got a big group that believes State is blue collar, hard working, type of players/coaches but our fans damn sure don't want to work for it. And I'm sorry for putting Ranch on blast, but I mean the base as a whole not him individually. We just had a couple of our worst baseball years but we still fill up baseball. But 17 football who has had a solid decade historically? LOL just dumb as helll and we see it all the time.

[Ranchdawg]

I’m sorry that I’m such a horrible fan. I have been a Bulldog club member for many many years. I have considered shutting it down for several years. The NIL was the final thing that pushed me out. And our recent coaching for football imo left a lot to be desired. And only real success was Dak’s jr. year and that was really not success. For years and years now, again imo, the powers to be have really refused to totally commit the resources needed to win the conference or win enough for the playoffs. And why should I continue to shove monies at something that I believe has NO real chance at playing for something that is more meaningful than just some stupid bowl game.

But that’s ok that I’m a horrible fan in some views. Rather than blasting me go figure out a way to make us truly competitive in football.

[Brobi-wan]

NIL is going to be part of our budget soon. To not attend and/or give is a killer. I don't care if folks don't give to NIL, but to come say you aren't going to support football because we can't compete, coming off a good 10 year run is silly talk and it's common in our fan base. And our fan base is a fraction of LSUs already. We've got a big group that believes State is blue collar, hard working, type of players/coaches but our fans damn sure don't want to work for it. And I'm sorry for putting Ranch on blast, but I mean the base as a whole not him individually. We just had a couple of our worst baseball years but we still fill up baseball. But 17 football who has had a solid decade historically? LOL just dumb as helll and we see it all the time.

I?ll go as long as I can afford it. If they up the donation requirements I?ll be phased out though. I can stomach donating 1200. I won?t donate more than that for my 2 measly tickets. A grand total of 2k for 2 tickets I can live with. More than that and they can jump up my a$$

[Cooterpoot]

I’m sorry that I’m such a horrible fan. I have been a Bulldog club member for many many years. I have considered shutting it down for several years. The NIL was the final thing that pushed me out. And our recent coaching for football imo left a lot to be desired. And only real success was Dak’s jr. year and that was really not success. For years and years now, again imo, the powers to be have really refused to totally commit the resources needed to win the conference or win enough for the playoffs. And why should I continue to shove monies at something that I believe has NO real chance at playing for something that is more meaningful than just some stupid bowl game.

But that’s ok that I’m a horrible fan in some views. Rather than blasting me go figure out a way to make us truly competitive in football.

Wasn't fair of me to point at you. That's on me an I'm sorry for that.

I just get pissed off with to same old, same old of lack of support by our fans in general. They'll bitch in a heartbeat, but do nothing to fix things. It's a long-time MSU tradition.

[DownwardDawg]

NIL is going to be part of our budget soon. To not attend and/or give is a killer. I don't care if folks don't give to NIL, but to come say you aren't going to support football because we can't compete, coming off a good 10 year run is silly talk and it's common in our fan base. And our fan base is a fraction of LSUs already. We've got a big group that believes State is blue collar, hard working, type of players/coaches but our fans damn sure don't want to work for it. And I'm sorry for putting Ranch on blast, but I mean the base as a whole not him individually. We just had a couple of our worst baseball years but we still fill up baseball. But 17 football who has had a solid decade historically? LOL just dumb as helll and we see it all the time.

I understand and you do make a good point. I do give. Not a lot but some and I'll be giving when I'm gone.
I just hate this NIL shit. It's a shit show that needs fixing before it's too late. I don't know any young people that are passionate about college football like we all were growing up. It's dying fast.

[Commercecomet24]

I understand and you do make a good point. I do give. Not a lot but some and I'll be giving when I'm gone.
I just hate this NIL shit. It's a shit show that needs fixing before it's too late. I don't know any young people that are passionate about college football like we all were growing up. It's dying fast.

Yep right there with you! I'm at the same point. I'll continue to support. Here's the problem is that it's not really college sports anymore. It's now a professional minor league. It's mercenary and and i get we're supporting the name on the front of the jersey not the name on the back, but I sure miss the days of kids loving State(yeah I know they're still some) but it's dwindling and within the next decade they're probably won't be but a handful left. I'm so glad I've got one son coaching high school football and baseball and another that's training hitters and pitchers, so I can still at least enjoy young people who are kinda still playing for the love of the game. Although I'm sure at some point the nil and transfer thing will leak down into high school sports and beyond. Florida's state high school athletic assoc has already agreed to let nil in the high school level. The days for student/athletes are dead and gone. Yeah i'm old but the things that I used to enjoy in amateur sports are not quite as enjoyable as they used to be. Rant over, sorry!

[Cooterpoot]

Fans have to understand they pull for the name on the front of the jersey, not the back. NIL is going to be a business in itself soon, and the fans won't have near the burden to fund it. Which is how it was intended to begin with. I don't have a problem with it. The average college football player puts in over 40 hours a week in prep and training. They can't really hold a job like the average college kid. Then you've got the millionaires coaching. To me, that's the bigger problem.

[Commercecomet24]

Fans have to understand they pull for the name on the front of the jersey, not the back. NIL is going to be a business in itself soon, and the fans won't have near the burden to fund it. Which is how it was intended to begin with. I don't have a problem with it. The average college football player puts in over 40 hours a week in prep and training. They can't really hold a job like the average college kid. Then you've got the millionaires coaching. To me, that's the bigger problem.

Oh I agree and I'm all for capitalism. However while not being able to hold a job like a regular student, athletes were entitled to benefits and perks(education, food, training, tutors, and many others) for free that a normal college students didnt get as well that more than compensated for being able to hold a minimum wage job. There should be a happy medium, but the ncaa allowed it to get out of control and now its a disaster. Kinda like what happened with mlb back in the 70s with the reserve clause. My sons were college athletes and the dedication and commitment level required, most on here wouldn't understand. That being said there needs to be oversight and there needs to be some kind of contracts between the parties. The wild west free agency anytime you want thing is absolutely total chaos. And as i stated in my earlier post I've always pulled for the name on the front of the jersey. I know one thing for sure, I can't fix this mess lol.

[Extendedcab]

Oh I agree and I'm all for capitalism. However while not being able to hold a job like a regular student, athletes were entitled to benefits and perks(education, food, training, tudors, and many others) for free that a normal college students didnt get as well that more than compensated for being able to hold a minimum wage job. There should be a happy medium, but the ncaa allowed it to get out of control and now its a disaster. Kinda like what happened with mlb back in the 70s with the reserve clause. My sons were college athletes and the dedication and commitment level required, most on here wouldn't understand. That being said there needs to be oversight and there needs to be some kind of contracts between the parties. The wild west free agency anytime you want thing is absolutely total chaos. And as i stated in my earlier post I've always pulled for the name on the front of the jersey. I know one thing for sure, I can't fix this mess lol.

It won't be fixed until the "kids" being paid now to play sports split off from universities and form their own pro-league. Then college athletics can return to its amateur roots.

Until then, it will remain broken!

[Cooterpoot]

Oh I agree and I'm all for capitalism. However while not being able to hold a job like a regular student, athletes were entitled to benefits and perks(education, food, training, tudors, and many others) for free that a normal college students didnt get as well that more than compensated for being able to hold a minimum wage job. There should be a happy medium, but the ncaa allowed it to get out of control and now its a disaster. Kinda like what happened with mlb back in the 70s with the reserve clause. My sons were college athletes and the dedication and commitment level required, most on here wouldn't understand. That being said there needs to be oversight and there needs to be some kind of contracts between the parties. The wild west free agency anytime you want thing is absolutely total chaos. And as i stated in my earlier post I've always pulled for the name on the front of the jersey. I know one thing for sure, I can't fix this mess lol.

Yeah, the portal is worse than NIL. There's always been under the table NIL. But now allowing conference teams to steal players is tough on every school at some point in some sport. Coaches have those buyouts to cover some loss, players do not. BUT, parity has been better since all this started. AL stopped winning them all, UGA fell, TCU made a run. Now with the larger playoff, opportunities are there to do something. OM is taking advantage. We just drug ass around with Morehead, the Air Bone, and a lost DC that set us back in modern football.

[msudawg1200]

Not giving a dime, buying a ticket, or going to any games. I'm as apathetic as I've ever been. I've jumped back into the NFL. If I want to watch paid players, I'll watch the one that at least has contracts, and rules and regulations on free agency. The college sports I've loved forever is gone. If these players are going to be paid, then strip scholarships and all other athletic benefits. Make them pay tuition, food, room and board, and taxes. If you want to be paid like an adult, then let's pay bills like an adult.

[RocketDawg]

The greed is going to be the death of collegiate athletics. I think a lot of people are "checking out" so to speak. Sure, they'll watch but I'm seeing a lot of people who just don't have a vested interest in it like they did before all this BS went into effect.

Yes, without a doubt. And I think it's a really large number of people.

[RocketDawg]

You will have no trouble finding tickets if they attempt to follow ideas (recent survey), of increased seating fees of $1500 to $2400 to even $4000 per seat if lower West side is chairbacked. Friend of mine moved up 8 rows in Section D for a better view (8 seats). He said it was unreal how many empty seats were now available in this hardcore, Bulldog Club section. I got an email that there was a seat(s) available by me (his) if my group needed more seats (we have 8 also). Then yesterday, ticket office sent out an email on how season tickets were a great Fathers's Day gift. We are headed to more and more premium seating at very high prices, many longtime fans priced out and paying more for pay per view at home. Programming for the networks with little need for butts in the seats for few other than "Bluebloods" Our 60 year run of season tickets and not so small Bulldog donations will end. Sad for current and future generations.

One thing that really irks me is that the Bulldog Club just assumes that what you gave last year is your pledge for this year. If I want to pledge, I'll pledge. But they're not going to tell me or assume what my pledge is or isn't.

I'd feel a whole lot better about things if they just gave up the pretense of being "student athletes". Just have a professional minor league team associated with the school and call it that.

[Jarius]

Personally, I stopped buying season tickets a couple of years back when it all started with the transfer portal/NIL/etc. I realized I didn't know (or care) who was on the team. Plus, we will never be able to compete with the bluebloods, with NIL widening that gap even more. Sure, I'll watch the games on TV and maybe attend one game a year if I can find good tickets, but for me, the connection was MSU students playing on the field for the maroon and white. Now it's just mercenary mentality...NFL-lite. Maybe I'm just getting older, and I'm jaded, but it's just where I'm at right now with college sports in general. At least the NFL is up front with you that it's all about the paycheck. College football needs to stop selling the "pomp and pageantry" line. It's not that anymore.

The transfer portal is making things more equal, not less. If ole Miss can compete like they are then so can we if we choose to make the effort.

[CaptainObvious]

The transfer portal is making things more equal, not less. If ole Miss can compete like they are then so can we if we choose to make the effort.

Not true. Lawyers and Doctors have images to uphold and hands to shake and asses to kiss.
State even with the Engineering and Architecture Grads is still the State's Blue Collar school. We have the largest number of AA students, Foreign Students and Graduate Students. Asians, Indians, Arabs, and Europeans don't put a lot of stock in American sports. And they sure don't donate to athletics after they graduate. We are and have been for a long time behind the 8 ball.

[maroonmania]

Not true. Lawyers and Doctors have images to uphold and hands to shake and asses to kiss.
State even with the Engineering and Architecture Grads is still the State's Blue Collar school. We have the largest number of AA students, Foreign Students and Graduate Students. Asians, Indians, Arabs, and Europeans don't put a lot of stock in American sports. And they sure don't donate to athletics after they graduate. We are and have been for a long time behind the 8 ball.

Yes, in a pay for play world that we have now, I have the lowest level of optimism in our ability to compete at a high level in any sport (even baseball) than I have ever had over the last 30 years. And I know its a shocker but OM will thrive in a pay for play world. As you are saying, they have the doctors and lawyers that make big money that are able to have those jobs and live in Mississippi that are heavily interested in OM sports. MSU has way more graduates with technical degrees and their just aren't that many high paying technical jobs in MS so a lot of the MSU alumni that make high incomes live further away from campus and aren't as invested in sports because of being remote. I give monthly to NIL but I don't see much way for us to keep up with the Joneses in the current environment.

[Cooterpoot]

Not giving a dime, buying a ticket, or going to any games. I'm as apathetic as I've ever been. I've jumped back into the NFL. If I want to watch paid players, I'll watch the one that at least has contracts, and rules and regulations on free agency. The college sports I've loved forever is gone. If these players are going to be paid, then strip scholarships and all other athletic benefits. Make them pay tuition, food, room and board, and taxes. If you want to be paid like an adult, then let's pay bills like an adult.

Angry old people everywhere

[Cooterpoot]

Yes, without a doubt. And I think it's a really large number of people.

Last year was the 2nd most watched football season the last 6 years. People aren't leaving except in this fan base.

[Cooterpoot]

The transfer portal is making things more equal, not less. If ole Miss can compete like they are then so can we if we choose to make the effort.

They won't listen. It's the end of their mythical glory days. You know, when we were worse at every sport except maybe baseball.

[Jarius]

Not true. Lawyers and Doctors have images to uphold and hands to shake and asses to kiss.
State even with the Engineering and Architecture Grads is still the State's Blue Collar school. We have the largest number of AA students, Foreign Students and Graduate Students. Asians, Indians, Arabs, and Europeans don't put a lot of stock in American sports. And they sure don't donate to athletics after they graduate. We are and have been for a long time behind the 8 ball.


Like I said, they are competing with NIL because they want to do so. We can do the same if we decide to do it (and we have decided to do it in football a lot more than you obviously think). It’s not a “we can’t do it” issue. It’s been a “we would rather put a bunch of money into a sport like baseball than the sport that actually matters” issue. That has gotten better with the new AD, thankfully. The basketball portal and NIL has been great for us. We are about to go to our 3rd straight NCAA tournament in the NIL era. We can compete when our fans decide they want to do so in any sport. We are going to be much more competitive this year in football than we would have been without the transfer portal, actually. We would have zero shot at making a bowl game with the roster that Lebby inherited in December.

[KOdawg1]

You certainly have the right to not donate to NIL, Bulldog Club, buy season tickets, etc. I don't think that makes you any "less" of a fan. You can do what you want in that regard.

HOWEVER, your right to complain when we lose or be angry when things don't go our way goes out the 17ing window. You don't get a voice. Your opinion is invalid. You decided to not be a part of the solution (even if it seems pointless), so you don't get to point out the problems that can be solved by the solution. Just is what it is.

[Jarius]

They won't listen. It's the end of their mythical glory days. You know, when we were worse at every sport except maybe baseball.

I don’t know how you can look at what mid level teams are doing all over the country in NIL and think it gives us less of a chance. Freaking Missouri and Ole Miss are in National Title preseason discussions. That would never happen Pre-NIL. Just because it has not happened for us yet doesn’t mean that it isn’t the best model for it to potentially happen for us and other schools like us. It certainly beats schools like Alabama hoarding all the talent with 5 stars sitting on the bench just waiting their turn for 3 years.

[Cooterpoot]

State fans live in a past when we were awful, but they think things are worse. They also justify not supporting the programs based on these made up ideas in their minds when "college football was fun" but we were terrible. Now they use "college football is dead" and "we can't compete" based off those same "good ole times" when we sucked. We made some bad hires and still won games in football. Same fans bragged about that bowl streak over the last decade. Our fans suck! They'd rather support our poor history than a player get paid. It's comical.

[maroonmania]

Like I said, they are competing with NIL because they want to do so. We can do the same if we decide to do it (and we have decided to do it in football a lot more than you obviously think). It?s not a ?we can?t do it? issue. It?s been a ?we would rather put a bunch of money into a sport like baseball than the sport that actually matters? issue. That has gotten better with the new AD, thankfully. The basketball portal and NIL has been great for us. We are about to go to our 3rd straight NCAA tournament in the NIL era. We can compete when our fans decide they want to do so in any sport. We are going to be much more competitive this year in football than we would have been without the transfer portal, actually. We would have zero shot at making a bowl game with the roster that Lebby inherited in December.

If we are truly putting so much money into baseball you would think we would be seeing better portal results.