Negotiations now with Lemon

[Coach34]

We are actually in a real good spot right now as the season has ended and contract negotiations are beginning.

Lemon has been mentioned as a candidate for the SC job. With 50% of State fans wanting him gone- he cant leverage us with that. We still have hand

With the season we just had- he has to be extended on some level. Here is where the fight begins.

Selmon will earn his paycheck on this one.

[gtowndawg]

Save money and use for football and basketball. Just my two cents. Big thread about it on the other board.

[CaptainObvious]

No extension. He can prove his worth by doing a successful 100% rebuild and get State to a Super in 2025. Or he can go ahead and head back home to South Carolina.

[Todd4State]

No extension. He can prove his worth by doing a successful 100% rebuild and get State to a Super in 2025. Or he can go ahead and head back home to South Carolina.

We need to extend him for the health of the program. That's one of the areas Ole Miss screwed up with Bianco. They didn't extend him after 2021 and it hurt their recruiting because everyone started talking about Bianco leaving.

Now to be clear- extend him but don't give him a crazy buyout.

[Todd4State]

Save money and use for football and basketball. Just my two cents. Big thread about it on the other board.

We have fans that think we should give his paycheck to football and basketball?

[SPMT]

We have fans that think we should give his paycheck to football and basketball?

It appears so. Despite baseball being the only sport that we have had consistent success in and a definitive culture for.

That?s the very reason so many care about who the coach is and how they perform.

[The Federalist Engineer]

We have fans that think we should give his paycheck to football and basketball?

I know fans that don't even think we should have a basketball team. Just let football players play basketball as a rec sport, who cares.

Standup a men's soccer team.

[SaintDawg]

We have fans that think we should give his paycheck to football and basketball?

Todd, we have fans that want to give football and basketball paychecks to baseball. But we’re in the minority.

[confucius say]

It's not complicated. Extend him but not the buyout. Low buyout. Renegotiate after next year if need be.
Announce publicly an extension to help recruiting and portal.

[bobtail bob]

No extension. He can prove his worth by doing a successful 100% rebuild and get State to a Super in 2025. Or he can go ahead and head back home to South Carolina.

I'd prefer someone else do the rebuild this time. Now is a good time to start over

[parabrave]

I'd prefer someone else do the rebuild this time. Now is a good time to start over

Hate to say it but this isn't such a bad idea. With the emergence of the Portal and NIL there needs to be a fulltime "scout" for each sport that can provide the coaching staff a final list of targetees. This would allow the coach to spend more time on his craft.

[bulldogcountry1]

We have fans that think we should give his paycheck to football and basketball?

There?s someone in every baseball thread that feels the need to tell baseball supporters that we should care more about football and basketball.

[AROB44]

With 50% of State fans wanting him gone

Is that all fans or just message board fans (which are a very small minority)?

[WinningIsRelentless]

Nil budget is more important than coaches salary now.

[basedog]

We are actually in a real good spot right now as the season has ended and contract negotiations are beginning.

Lemon has been mentioned as a candidate for the SC job. With 50% of State fans wanting him gone- he cant leverage us with that. We still have hand

With the season we just had- he has to be extended on some level. Here is where the fight begins.

Selmon will earn his paycheck on this one.

I can't totally disagree with this post, I'm kinda on the fence with him, 1) we had a successful season, but 2) maybe SC will go after him and he takes it, want hurt my feelings. I'm good with either.

[basedog]

With 50% of State fans wanting him gone

Is that all fans or just message board fans (which are a very small minority)?

I say it's baseball fans. Other fans in football or basketball don't care.

[State82]

There?s someone in every baseball thread that feels the need to tell baseball supporters that we should care more about football and basketball.

I have noticed that comes up often in baseball discussions. WTH are they doing in a baseball discussion then?

[Mjoelner34]

I have noticed that comes up often in baseball discussions. WTH are they doing in a baseball discussion then?

It started with bitching about not being able to go sit in a spot in the LFL then it moved to everything wrong with baseball is due to the LFL and now has settled on de-fund baseball. On 6Pack, I asked a question a while back and never got an answer. I asked if they walk up to random tailgates of strangers during football season expecting to get fed.

[Cooterpoot]

Selmon has 100% the advantage here because Lemonis isn't that well liked. Most view him has an average coach. You keep him cheap because he hasn't earned a raise since that last contract. He SHOULD lose money in reality but he won't.
Not many people will care if Lemonis walks.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Nil budget is more important than coaches salary now.

Well until the Bulldog Initiative is brought in under the university umbrella those funds are separate. That's coming with the settlement last week, but how quickly is a mystery.

[WinningIsRelentless]

Selmon has 100% the advantage here because Lemonis isn't that well liked. Most view him has an average coach. You keep him cheap because he hasn't earned a raise since that last contract. He SHOULD lose money in reality but he won't.
Not many people will care if Lemonis walks.

See this is the point most fans don?t get. Selmon doesn?t have the advantage here. He knows if he lets Lemo leave or fires him his ass is on the hot seat with the next hire. If the next hire doesn?t work out Selmon just brought the heat on himself. Right now he has cover with this year and the NC in 21.

[StarkVegasSteve]

It started with bitching about not being able to go sit in a spot in the LFL then it moved to everything wrong with baseball is due to the LFL and now has settled on de-fund baseball. On 6Pack, I asked a question a while back and never got an answer. I asked if they walk up to random tailgates of strangers during football season expecting to get fed.

And I'll say this, it is not all people in the LFL. It's a certain sect of people and they really aren't even in LF. They're in RF. There's a couple of rigs in LF, but most are in RF that bitch when people step within 15 ft of their rig. I understand not feeding people, it's your food so you have a say in who it goes to. I think where some people get sideways is when it's Mississippi State fans they are yelling at to get out from behind their rig or not behind the railing the railing, but they're watching these same people that are bitching at them feed opposing fans like kings.

[Santiago]

For negotiation, does Lemonis meet with Selmon and bring a Forbes printout of top CEO salaries***

[DawgFromOxford]

See this is the point most fans don?t get. Selmon doesn?t have the advantage here. He knows if he lets Lemo leave or fires him his ass is on the hot seat with the next hire. If the next hire doesn?t work out Selmon just brought the heat on himself. Right now he has cover with this year and the NC in 21.

Nah. I hope he never does but Selmon could make a bad baseball hire and it won?t hurt him unless it?s part of a string of other bad hires. The only hire that puts him in the hot seat from the get go is football since it pays the bills.

[Santiago]

We are actually in a real good spot right now as the season has ended and contract negotiations are beginning.

Lemon has been mentioned as a candidate for the SC job. With 50% of State fans wanting him gone- he cant leverage us with that. We still have hand

With the season we just had- he has to be extended on some level. Here is where the fight begins.

Selmon will earn his paycheck on this one.

USC is about to most likely hire a former assistant (and now current) who was fired as Clemson HC in 2022.
Lemonis is way below a list that includes Monte as one of the top choices. I think Selmon is going to be just fine in this negotation.

The D1 hot board and the 247 USC hot board does not have Lemonis as anything of a serious candidate.
Whoever was working this crap about another SEC school wanting Lemonis is a good con artist.

One thing I noticed on the USC site, is that the boosters that want Monte are pledging more NIL money, and where USC can recruit with anyone in that regard.
That has been my comment on our "CEO coach", that if you are a CEO coach you better be the type the players and alumni base rally behind and give support.

[Commercecomet24]

And I'll say this, it is not all people in the LFL. It's a certain sect of people and they really aren't even in LF. They're in RF. There's a couple of rigs in LF, but most are in RF that bitch when people step within 15 ft of their rig. I understand not feeding people, it's your food so you have a say in who it goes to. I think where some people get sideways is when it's Mississippi State fans they are yelling at to get out from behind their rig or not behind the railing the railing, but they're watching these same people that are bitching at them feed opposing fans like kings.

Nailed it.

[CaptainObvious]

I don't think Lemonis is a target by any other Coach hunting school. And if our job was open again, I'm not sure he would find a level job. Maybe a program that has had some success over the years would look at him if he was let go, but I don't think a Top 20 program would just offer him the job saying he is their Top Choice. I'm more disgusted with the fact that we have fans in this board that think State isn't a Top 20 program who could hire a solid coach to replace him. We have no way of knowing if another coach could have had the same results THIS year, but there are are more thst would be interested than these message board fans apparently think our program could get.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I don't think Lemonis is a target by any other Coach hunting school. And if our job was open again, I'm not sure he would find a level job. Maybe a program that has had some success over the years would look at him if he was let go, but I don't think a Top 20 program would just offer him the job saying he is their Top Choice. I'm more disgusted with the fact that we have fans in this board that think State isn't a Top 20 program who could hire a solid coach to replace him. We have no way of knowing if another coach could have had the same results THIS year, but there are are more thst would be interested than these message board fans apparently think our program could get.

No one is saying we aren't a top 20 program. Hell we're a top 15 that's bumping top 10 program. But baseball isn't football. Just look at the LSU job. That is either the number 1 or number 2 job in the country and they had to settle for probably, depends on who you ask, their 3rd or 4th choice. Baseball coaches just don't move around. If they did, then Vitello would have taken that job or Kevin O'Sullivan.

I mean if we were to change coaches, or Lemonis leave, we would be picking from a pool of lower P5 HCs, G5 HCs, or high P5 assts. You do have rare exceptions like Schloss wanting to leave TCU, and I still think we would have gotten him had Cohen just went ahead and named him during the regional. But he is the exception and not the rule. For the most part, P5 college baseball coaches tend to stick where they get their starts, at least for 10-12 years.

[PMDawg]

Hate to say it but this isn't such a bad idea. With the emergence of the Portal and NIL there needs to be a fulltime "scout" for each sport that can provide the coaching staff a final list of targetees. This would allow the coach to spend more time on his craft.

We basically need GMs now. I don't know if a single GM for the entire AD is practical, but I think a single person could manage the big 3.

[Cooterpoot]

See this is the point most fans don?t get. Selmon doesn?t have the advantage here. He knows if he lets Lemo leave or fires him his ass is on the hot seat with the next hire. If the next hire doesn?t work out Selmon just brought the heat on himself. Right now he has cover with this year and the NC in 21.

He's not firing Lemonis. That's not happening. If Lemonis walks, it matters not. We could hire multiple coaches as good as Lemonis. Selmon isn't scared to make a change, that's silly. And I doubt Selmon is even here in 5 years anyway. The goal is not to blow money on a non revenue sport. That means little pay/buyout increase. If Lemonis thinks he can score more than we pay, let him walk. We'd save money and get an equal or better coach regardless.

[Brobi-wan]

He's not firing Lemonis. That's not happening. If Lemonis walks, it matters not. We could hire multiple coaches as good as Lemonis. Selmon isn't scared to make a change, that's silly. And I doubt Selmon is even here in 5 years anyway. The goal is not to blow money on a non revenue sport. That means little pay/buyout increase. If Lemonis thinks he can score more than we pay, let him walk. We'd save money and get an equal or better coach regardless.

I hope you’re wrong about Selmon leaving. He’s the best AD we have had in awhile. Seems like a really smart guy.

[Goldendawg]

No extension. He can prove his worth by doing a successful 100% rebuild and get State to a Super in 2025. Or he can go ahead and head back home to South Carolina.

He is quickly approaching his "expiration date" with us. How do you have so many roster holes and no depth in year 6, 3 years removed from a NC? What does he do well?

[Goldendawg]

With 50% of State fans wanting him gone

Is that all fans or just message board fans (which are a very small minority)?

Many State baseball fans in my area and only one I know thinks we should keep him another year and that is because he doesn't want to pay his inflated buyout for a sport that makes little to no income. This friend is a very longterm season ticket holder in baseball, MBB, and football, Bulldog Club , and heavy NIL. Baseball is his favorite sport. No extention this year unless buyout is lowered to a very low amount. JMO.

[Goldendawg]

See this is the point most fans don?t get. Selmon doesn?t have the advantage here. He knows if he lets Lemo leave or fires him his ass is on the hot seat with the next hire. If the next hire doesn?t work out Selmon just brought the heat on himself. Right now he has cover with this year and the NC in 21.

It is and has been a "what have you done for me lately" world in all sports, at all levels for years. This why Selmon is the AD and makes the big bucks. He has to do what is right for the university short and long term or his stay as our latest "ON the Job training AD" will be short.

[Goldendawg]

And I'll say this, it is not all people in the LFL. It's a certain sect of people and they really aren't even in LF. They're in RF. There's a couple of rigs in LF, but most are in RF that bitch when people step within 15 ft of their rig. I understand not feeding people, it's your food so you have a say in who it goes to. I think where some people get sideways is when it's Mississippi State fans they are yelling at to get out from behind their rig or not behind the railing the railing, but they're watching these same people that are bitching at them feed opposing fans like kings.

I sit behind the State dugout with a friend. No one has ever asked me for a sip of my cola or a bite of my Chickfila sandwich, burger or hotdog.*****

[Goldendawg]

I don't think Lemonis is a target by any other Coach hunting school. And if our job was open again, I'm not sure he would find a level job. Maybe a program that has had some success over the years would look at him if he was let go, but I don't think a Top 20 program would just offer him the job saying he is their Top Choice. I'm more disgusted with the fact that we have fans in this board that think State isn't a Top 20 program who could hire a solid coach to replace him. We have no way of knowing if another coach could have had the same results THIS year, but there are are more thst would be interested than these message board fans apparently think our program could get.

I heard he already interviewed at USCe and stood up the entire interview, as there was no bucket to sit on in their AD's office.*******

[Coach34]

He's getting extended and he should. We just have to be smart about it.

[DownwardDawg]

Save money and use for football and basketball. Just my two cents. Big thread about it on the other board.

I'm the opposite. Kill basketball and stay in football for the checks since we will never seriously compete in football. Spend the bank on the sport we can win multiple national championships in.

And obviously I know none of these things are happening. I'm just always amazed at the dumbasses wanting to drop our most successful sport.

[WinningIsRelentless]

It is and has been a "what have you done for me lately" world in all sports, at all levels for years. This why Selmon is the AD and makes the big bucks. He has to do what is right for the university short and long term or his stay as our latest "ON the Job training AD" will be short.

Selmon isn?t making big bucks relatively speaking. He?s making just enough to change the his and his wife?s lifestyle. Not enough to create generational wealth. So this is the exact reason he isn?t in a position to be to demanding with Lemo.

[Cooterpoot]

I'm the opposite. Kill basketball and stay in football for the checks since we will never seriously compete in football. Spend the bank on the sport we can win multiple national championships in.

Doesn't work like that. Basketball is 2nd in potential revenue. Baseball is a losing proposition as seen by all the schools backing away from it some until the new revenue sharing is settled. Money isn't going to be going into non-revenue sports much anymore.

[Homedawg]

Selmon isn?t making big bucks relatively speaking. He?s making just enough to change the his and his wife?s lifestyle. Not enough to create generational wealth. So this is the exact reason he isn?t in a position to be to demanding with Lemo.

He isn't??? his salary is plenty healthy. Guess you and i have different views on generational wealth. He wasn't broke when he got here. Has a 4 year deal, that was extended,I'm sure, and if he leaves it will be to another 7 figure job. He's building a 5500 sq foot compound. I think he's got plenty of funds.

[Commercecomet24]

He isn't??? his salary is plenty healthy. Guess you and i have different views on generational wealth. He wasn't broke when he got here. Has a 4 year deal, that was extended,I'm sure, and if he leaves it will be to another 7 figure job. He's building a 5500 sq foot compound. I think he's got plenty of funds.

100%.

[EdwardDrayton]

He isn't??? his salary is plenty healthy. Guess you and i have different views on generational wealth. He wasn't broke when he got here. Has a 4 year deal, that was extended,I'm sure, and if he leaves it will be to another 7 figure job. He's building a 5500 sq foot compound. I think he's got plenty of funds.

^^^^^^^

[DawgFromOxford]

For the most part, P5 college baseball coaches tend to stick where they get their starts, at least for 10-12 years.

Im curious to see if this remains the trend or as more schools seem to start caring about baseball if that timeline shrinks

[Coursesuper]

He isn't??? his salary is plenty healthy. Guess you and i have different views on generational wealth. He wasn't broke when he got here. Has a 4 year deal, that was extended,I'm sure, and if he leaves it will be to another 7 figure job. He's building a 5500 sq foot compound. I think he's got plenty of funds.

Great response Home, I really feel dumber due to reading some of the post in this thread. Some of y’all are some ignorant people. Please either educate yourself in how the world really works or just do us sane types the favor of refraining from your inane nonsense.

[Activated Alpha]

As one of the posters that thought this season was going to be his last after AP debacle, I want to see him back with a fire in his belly for recruiting and a new hitting coach or more hitting analyst. To me, his success relies on his ability to recruit and start doing the little things correct again

[Brobi-wan]

Selmon isn?t making big bucks relatively speaking. He?s making just enough to change the his and his wife?s lifestyle. Not enough to create generational wealth. So this is the exact reason he isn?t in a position to be to demanding with Lemo.

He was making over 300k at OU. You think he took a cut to come here? What on God?s green earth is big bucks if 300k up isn?t?

[Homedawg]

He was making over 300k at OU. You think he took a cut to come here? What on God?s green earth is big bucks if 300k up isn?t?

He's making over a million here.

[State82]

He's making over a million here.

Dang, if a few years of that is not generational wealth then what is it?

[Commercecomet24]

Dang, if a few years of that is not generational wealth then what is it?

Yep 100%, not bad work if you can get it lol

[Turfdawg67]

Great response Home, I really feel dumber due to reading some of the post in this thread. Some of y’all are some ignorant people. Please either educate yourself in how the world really works or just do us sane types the favor of refraining from your inane nonsense.

You sure like to comment on people's intelligence. Weird. You must be the only genius hanging around a message board, eh Einstein?!? Oh, and your man-crush C34, of course.

[Coursesuper]

You sure like to comment on people's intelligence. Weird. You must be the only genius hanging around a message board, eh Einstein?!? Oh, and your man-crush C34, of course.

Well I’m definitely dumber now. Effectively sharp as a marble. Thank you for your support.

[EdwardDrayton]

Dang, if a few years of that is not generational wealth then what is it?

Remember when we strutted with a bag of cat's eye and a couple of steelies? We had it made. LOL!!

[basedog]

I was told that meetings will be next week, question will be what the plan moving forward with the staff. Just saying.

[Brobi-wan]

I was told that meetings will be next week, question will be what the plan moving forward with the staff. Just saying.

Hopefully cya Gotro

[MoreCowbell]

He's making over a million here.

Cohen was 275K base, 900K total if he hit all his bonuses. Would be surprised if Selmon is over 1mil.

Only about 15-20 ADs making over 1mil base. Probably about 40 that can make over a million if they hit all their bonuses.

Byrne only makes 1.4 base at Bama.

[Extendedcab]

You sure like to comment on people's intelligence. Weird. You must be the only genius hanging around a message board, eh Einstein?!? Oh, and your man-crush C34, of course.

Ahh, The Camaraderie on this board is inspiring! Aren’t we all on the same team?

[Todd4State]

I was told that meetings will be next week, question will be what the plan moving forward with the staff. Just saying.

That's interesting. I figured that meetings would have been on Monday or early in the week.

[Cooterpoot]

Cohen was 275K base, 900K total if he hit all his bonuses. Would be surprised if Selmon is over 1mil.

Only about 15-20 ADs making over 1mil base. Probably about 40 that can make over a million if they hit all their bonuses.

Byrne only makes 1.4 base at Bama.

That's going to change with all the new college athletics change.

[basedog]

That's interesting. I figured that meetings would have been on Monday or early in the week.

I think it helps to let things settle down, also the CWS teams will be known, not that matters but who knows. Also, we are in good shape with NIL money, what I also was told we are in very good shape with NIL money moving forward in all three sports. I think most want to see some staff changes; we will know shortly if Lemonis agrees.

[Homedawg]

Cohen was 275K base, 900K total if he hit all his bonuses. Would be surprised if Selmon is over 1mil.

Only about 15-20 ADs making over 1mil base. Probably about 40 that can make over a million if they hit all their bonuses.

Byrne only makes 1.4 base at Bama.

Ok be surprised then. Cohen was making 1.1 here. Note sure where you got that bad info. Crap auburn is paying cohen 1.5+ with annual increases. And your Byrne info isn't up to date either. But keep doubling down.

[maroonmania]

Ok be surprised then. Cohen was making 1.1 here. Note sure where you got that bad info. Crap auburn is paying cohen 1.5+ with annual increases. And your Byrne info isn't up to date either. But keep doubling down.

1.1 is pretty dang good for an OJT AD.

[Saltydog]

At this point, might as well keep them. They're all going to be gone next year anyway.

[Homedawg]

1.1 is pretty dang good for an OJT AD.

Correct