He aint it

[BuckyIsAB****]

And wont be

[DawgFromOxford]

My early season fear is coming true. Lemo is doing just enough to save his job where we kick this miserable can down the road.

If you?re going to cut him loose next year just go ahead and do it

[KOdawg1]

We're stuck with him I'm afraid

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Well you see, if the Admin forced Lemo to fire his god awful assistant (Cheese), we can get SEC average baserunning and catching. Then, if the Admin forces Lemo to fire the Goat, we might get a hitting coach that doesn't suck. THEN, we only have to work around Lemos awful recruiting and lineup decisions

[Santiago]

Citadel , please call him home.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

My early season fear is coming true. Lemo is doing just enough to save his job where we kick this miserable can down the road.

If you?re going to cut him loose next year just go ahead and do it

I called this in June of last year. We were a little better than year than I thought we'd be (Parker effect) but ultimately it was a forgettable year and we will suck next year. We wasted 2 years by not firing Lemo when we had the chance last year

[Cooterpoot]

If boosters are hell bent on keeping the clown show, Selmon should make Lemonis play out his one year contract and then not retain him after a rebuilding season next year.

[Santiago]

The only way I can cast a vote is cancel any NIL earmarked later this year for baseball.
We need a change.

[Coach34]

You fire him after a Regional Final and your choices will be the coach from Miss Delta CC, Sewanee, or Louisiana College

[starkvegasdawg]

You fire him after a Regional Final and your choices will be the coach from Miss Delta CC, Sewanee, or Louisiana College

Do any of those have a decent hitting coach?

[HoopsDawg]

You fire him after a Regional Final and your choices will be the coach from Miss Delta CC, Sewanee, or Louisiana College

This is going to piss people off, but it's true. You can't fire him after this season.

[DawgFromOxford]

You fire him after a Regional Final and your choices will be the coach from Miss Delta CC, Sewanee, or Louisiana College

Lies. Any self respecting coach would look at what Lemonis has done the past 3 years and say he?s underachieved with the resources he has

[Quaoarsking]

You fire him after a Regional Final and your choices will be the coach from Miss Delta CC, Sewanee, or Louisiana College

Isn't it basically confirmed that Justin Haire would take our job? There's the floor.

[HoopsDawg]

Big time rebuild next season. Our roster is a mess.

[DawgFromOxford]

This is going to piss people off, but it's true. You can't fire him after this season.

You can. You literally can. It?s obvious he isn?t getting it done nor is he going to get it done

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

You fire him after a Regional Final and your choices will be the coach from Miss Delta CC, Sewanee, or Louisiana College

Exactly what I said you'd say if we eked into a regional.

Last year it was "you can't fire a coach 2 years post Natty", now it's "you can't fire a coach after showing improvement"

[Cooterpoot]

You fire him after a Regional Final and your choices will be the coach from Miss Delta CC, Sewanee, or Louisiana College

Nah, money talks and so does NIL and facilities. We've got top 10 in all. But we all know hes not getting fired. I'd hold him to the one year left and see if I can force him to leave.

[Quaoarsking]

"You can't fire a coach who is 14-12 and beat Ole Miss twice!"
"You can't fire a coach who hasn't even finished his first season!"

[HoopsDawg]

You can. You literally can. It?s obvious he isn?t getting it done nor is he going to get it done

Your mad. I'm mad. You can't though. Just don't extend him. Or don't add to his buyout at least.

[Coach34]

Lies. Any self respecting coach would look at what Lemonis has done the past 3 years and say he?s underachieved with the resources he has

We hired our 8th choice when we hired him. Some of you are insane about who we can hire. Remember that sitting HC we were gonna hire in football?

Baseball coaches dont move around. Thats why all these coaches stay places 20 years. Nobody is coming to coach at a place that fired their coach after a Regional Final

[Quaoarsking]

We hired our 8th choice when we hired him. Some of you are insane about who we can hire. Remember that sitting HC we were gonna hire in football?

Baseball coaches dont move around. Thats why all these coaches stay places 20 years. Nobody is coming to coach at a place that fired their coach after a Regional Final

"Isn't it basically confirmed that Justin Haire would take our job? There's the floor."

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

This is going to piss people off, but it's true. You can't fire him after this season.

You absolutely can. Before you do, you reach out to candidates and get an idea of if we can upgrade. Fire Lemo, get said upgrade, move on with life.

People said we could t fire JoMo after 2 bowl seasons. I'm glad we did

[msstate7]

This is going to piss people off, but it's true. You can't fire him after this season.

Has a baseball coach ever been fired making a regional? Has a basketball coach been fired making the tourney? Has a football coach been fired making a bowl?

[DawgFromOxford]

We hired our 8th choice when we hired him. Some of you are insane about who we can hire. Remember that sitting HC we were gonna hire in football?

Baseball coaches dont move around. Thats why all these coaches stay places 20 years. Nobody is coming to coach at a place that fired their coach after a Regional Final

We had Schloss hired until cohen got into a dick measuring contest

At worst we hire Justin Haire. I?m confident Haire at minimum could get the results Lemonis is getting

[HoopsDawg]

Has a baseball coach ever been fired making a regional? Has a basketball coach been fired making the tourney? Has a football coach been fired making a bowl?

Bowl game is a false positive. Not often on the other 2.

[Quaoarsking]

https://i.imgur.com/3oCG2kZ.png

[HoopsDawg]

We had Schloss hired until cohen got into a dick measuring contest

At worst we hire Justin Haire. I?m confident Haire at minimum could get the results Lemonis is getting

We would get laughed at for firing a coach that finished 5th in the SEC and made a regional final to hire a coach who finished 7th in his conference and missed the tournament.

[Coach34]

People said we could t fire JoMo after 2 bowl seasons. I'm glad we did

Nobody said this after Willie Gay broke the QB's jaw and the team hotel smelled like a weed dispensary

[civildawg]

Billy Gillespie got fired at UK after making the tournament

[Quaoarsking]

We would get laughed at for firing a coach that finished 5th in the SEC and made a regional final to hire a coach who finished 7th in his conference and missed the tournament.

Oh no, not getting laughed at!!

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Why do we care what is "normal" to do?

If a coach sucks, you fire him and get a better one. Who cares what everyone thinks of it? So long as we get 1 coach to say yes, F all the pearl clutchers saying we should have Given Lemo another year. Go get Hiare, maybe then we won't make more baserunning errors than my local high school team

[Commercecomet24]

And wont be

Bucky I like you but you have no credibility when the only time you post is after a loss. Smh

[Leeshouldveflanked]

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You fire him after a Regional Final and your choices will be the coach from Miss Delta CC, Sewanee, or Louisiana College
Birmingham Southerns coach needs a job.

[Coach34]

We had Schloss hired until cohen got into a dick measuring contest

At worst we hire Justin Haire. I?m confident Haire at minimum could get the results Lemonis is getting

Both statements are incorrect. People keep saying the 1st sentence because they dont want to come to grips with the fact our job aint what they wish it was.

[HoopsDawg]

You absolutely can. Before you do, you reach out to candidates and get an idea of if we can upgrade. Fire Lemo, get said upgrade, move on with life.

People said we could t fire JoMo after 2 bowl seasons. I'm glad we did

JoMo inherited a Ferrari and ran it into a ditch with his pants down. Lemonis won a national championship. It's not the same thing.

[DawgFromOxford]

We would get laughed at for firing a coach that finished 5th in the SEC and made a regional final to hire a coach who finished 7th in his conference and missed the tournament.

Then let them laugh. Lemonis isn?t going to do anything special so might as well try something else

[BuckyIsAB****]

Oh no, not getting laughed at!!

Hahahhahahaha right. Its not like people arent laughing now

[Quaoarsking]

Both statements are incorrect. People keep saying the 1st sentence because they dont want to come to grips with the fact our job aint what they wish it was.

The second statement about Haire is widely believed to be true. No idea either way on Schloss.

[DawgFromOxford]

JoMo inherited a Ferrari and ran it into a ditch with his pants down. Lemonis won a national championship. It's not the same thing.

And then lemonis ran the Ferrari into the ditch. They both crashed the Ferrari

[Saltydog]

You fire him after a Regional Final and your choices will be the coach from Miss Delta CC, Sewanee, or Louisiana College

That's an effing lie. . . . .

[Coach34]

F all the pearl clutchers saying we should have Given Lemo another year. Go get Hiare, maybe then we won't make more baserunning errors than my local high school team

So what do you do when he says no? He's not taking this job if we fire Lemon after a season like this.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Bucky I like you but you have no credibility when the only time you post is after a loss. Smh

Ive made lots of these in the past 3 years bud. And ive made a few about how we bounced back and how fun the governors cup was. Just this year. Ive stayed away but that just was too much to handle. Its been a long 3 years

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Nobody said this after Willie Gay broke the QB's jaw and the team hotel smelled like a weed dispensary

I will NIL Dee Bost to come back and light on up in Lemos office

But seriously, why does it matter? Lemo is in year 6. He ain't it. Do we care about what's best for the program, or what the "baseball world" -if you will- thinks of us?

[HoopsDawg]

And then lemonis ran the Ferrari into the ditch. They both crashed the Ferrari

This season was not a disaster. Next season could be.

[msstate7]

JoMo inherited a Ferrari and ran it into a ditch with his pants down. Lemonis won a national championship. It's not the same thing.

Chizik got fired 2 years after a natty at Auburn for 1 losing season. I think our baseball program is at the same level as Auburn in football

[Quaoarsking]

So what do you do when he says no? He's not taking this job if we fire Lemon after a season like this.

Coaches at schools like Campbell don't tell SEC programs "no, I'll just stay at Campbell." Come on, man, just admit that.

If you think Lemonis is better than Campbell, argue that point. Don't debase yourself by saying Haire wouldn't take our job at all.

[Commercecomet24]

Ive made lots of these in the past 3 years bud. And ive made a few about how we bounced back and how fun the governors cup was. Just this year. Ive stayed away but that just was too much to handle. Its been a long 3 years

Naw dude you only come on here to post after we lose. Heck you wanted Jans gone. Nobody's laughing at us for finishing 5th in the sec and top 20 in the country. I'm sorry about Will and Leach passing I loved Leach, but it's like since then you got something against every coach.

[msstate7]

This season was not a disaster. Next season could be.

Certainly not a disaster. Just think if our coach any idea at scheduling... we'd have been home this weekend. Just another strike on lemonis

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

So what do you do when he says no? He's not taking this job if we fire Lemon after a season like this.

Lol you're talking out you ass.

1) coaches believe they can win. "Oh no, what if I miss the tournament in year 4 and 5 and are mediocre in year 6! They might fire me!!!" Is not a worry for any coach at any level.

2) he'd be making what, quadruple his current salary?

3) unless you've personally spoken to him, you know nothing of what he would or wouldn't do

[Coach34]

I will NIL Dee Bost to come back and light on up in Lemos office

But seriously, why does it matter? Lemo is in year 6. He ain't it. Do we care about what's best for the program, or what the "baseball world" -if you will- thinks of us?

Call for his firing- storm the offices. I will be here to watch its hilariousness like I did the football coaching search. We had alllllllll these big names when the search started. Ended up with a coordinator

[Quaoarsking]

If having the 2nd worst 3-year stretch in our modern history isn't bad enough to at least consider firing him, what does it take?

Which SEC school wouldn't at least consider firing a head coach who just had the 2nd worst combined 3-year period over the last 50 years?

[BuckyIsAB****]

Naw dude you only come on here to post after we lose. Heck you wanted Jans gone. Nobody's laughing at us for finishing 5th in the sec and top 20 in the country. I'm sorry about Will and Leach passing I loved Leach, but it's like since then you got something against every coach.

Dude I don?t post enough during basketball to form an opinion

[DawgFromOxford]

This season was not a disaster. Next season could be.

I give the season a C. The end results this year should be the minimum of what we achieve every year.

Meeting the bare minimum after 2 disaster seasons isn?t enough though.

[Coach34]

Lol you're talking out you ass.

1) coaches believe they can win. "Oh no, what if I miss the tournament in year 4 and 5 and are mediocre in year 6! They might fire me!!!" Is not a worry for any coach at any level.

2) he'd be making what, quadruple his current salary?

3) unless you've personally spoken to him, you know nothing of what he would or wouldn't do

Baseball coaches arent like the others. No other sports has all these guys that stay at a school for 20+ years

[BuckyIsAB****]

Idk what it is about some State folks and accepting mediocrity. Maybe I am too young. Maybe I am spoiled like our bus driver said

[BankerDog]

Isn't it basically confirmed that Justin Haire would take our job? There's the floor.

So fire a guy who won a NC and just got us back to a regional final for a guy who has never won a NC nor didn?t even make the tournament this year? Why don?t we just call Tommy Raffo too

[Quaoarsking]

Baseball coaches arent like the others. No other sports has all these guys that stay at a school for 20+ years

Any of the 14 SEC schools could poach any of the 12 current head coaches of CAA schools.

[Coach34]

Which SEC school wouldn't at least consider firing a head coach who just had the 2nd worst combined 3-year period over the last 50 years?

Nobody other than LSU. He's judged on this season. He made it happen. Todd Walker even talked about it all weekend

[Mjoelner34]

Next year it will be "You can't fire him this year because we were so young and had a huge roster turnover". We can just keep kicking the can.

[BankerDog]

You absolutely can. Before you do, you reach out to candidates and get an idea of if we can upgrade. Fire Lemo, get said upgrade, move on with life.

People said we could t fire JoMo after 2 bowl seasons. I'm glad we did

No dude you can?t. Sorry but you can?t. He did what he was told to do to be retained.

JoMo wasn?t fired because of on field performance. He was fired because off his lack of discipline within his fieldhouse.

[Cowbell]

Bucky I like you but you have no credibility when the only time you post is after a loss. Smh

This. He would have posted this wether the last game was regular season or in a super regional final. Vanhorn has done less Than lemon with more...

[Coach34]

So fire a guy who won a NC and just got us back to a regional final for a guy who has never won a NC nor didn?t even make the tournament this year? Why don?t we just call Tommy Raffo too

Dave Van Horn wishes he would have played in a Regional Final tonight

[BuckyIsAB****]

I?ll post more sorry guys for not meeting your expectations. I can relate to that

[Activated Alpha]

Both statements are incorrect. People keep saying the 1st sentence because they dont want to come to grips with the fact our job aint what they wish it was.

You cannot argue in good faith with your last statement when you said early last week that we SHOULD have won this regional. A regional host with just as much post season success as us in recent memory. Either you believe we are top tier or you believe that we should just accept that we a sub par school. Make up your mind

[EdwardDrayton]

You fire him after a Regional Final and your choices will be the coach from Miss Delta CC, Sewanee, or Louisiana College

So tell me about these four. I'm ready to listen.

[Coach34]

Next year it will be "You can't fire him this year because we were so young and had a huge roster turnover". We can just keep kicking the can.

This is incorrect. He wont be given any quarter for next season. Better keep making Regionals

[Quaoarsking]

Dave Van Horn wishes he would have played in a Regional Final tonight

Van Horn has missed a regional once in 22 seasons at Arkansas. He's won 9 regionals and made Omaha 7 times. Also, he wasn't a disgrace the past 2 years.

He's also only had a losing SEC record once (!) in the past 15 years.

[BankerDog]

Chizik got fired 2 years after a natty at Auburn for 1 losing season. I think our baseball program is at the same level as Auburn in football

Wasn?t that due more to having Gus in waiting though? I mean Gus was the reason they won that natty. Chizik was just the CEO

[msstate7]

Dave Van Horn wishes he would have played in a Regional Final tonight

Yeah, had he won today and gotten embarrassed tonight, it would be the difference in a bad and good season

[Quaoarsking]

This is incorrect. He wont be given any quarter for next season. Better keep making Regionals

IF we keep him, it's host or fired, period, and it shouldn't (and won't) be controversial.

[BankerDog]

Van Horn has missed a regional once in 22 seasons at Arkansas. He's won 9 regionals and made Omaha 7 times. Also, he wasn't a disgrace the past 2 years.

He's also only had a losing SEC record once (!) in the past 15 years.

Did he win a NC?

[Coach34]

You cannot argue in good faith with your last statement when you said early last week that we SHOULD have won this regional. A regional host with just as much post season success as us in recent memory. Either you believe we are top tier or you believe that we should just accept that we a sub par school. Make up your mind

I still think we should have won the Regional. But it's baseball. Firing a coach for making the Final 32? Insanity

[Dawgface]

We shouldn't expect any better with the line of thinking many have here. As they say.....it is what it is.

[msstate7]

Wasn?t that due more to having Gus in waiting though? I mean Gus was the reason they won that natty. Chizik was just the CEO

Probably, I have no idea. I don't think we will fire lemonis, and I'm sure tomorrow, I'll be fine with him being back. Right now though, I'm pissed, so I'll side with we could fire him if we wanted to

[StarkVegasSteve]

Two things can be true at once. We had a bounce back year, but we still underachieved relative to the talent we have. Will Lemonis be fired and should be fired are two separate debates entirely.

1. Will we fire him. No. End of discussion.

2. Should we fire him? That is a little tougher. Now I am not the best person to ask because I wanted him fired after 22 and 23 so I am irrational in my thoughts on it. I think he probably has hit his ceiling here and with the palace we play in, we should want more. Now, would we get better if we fired Lemonis?? That is the million dollar question.

[Quaoarsking]

I still think we should have won the Regional. But it's baseball. Firing a coach for making the Final 32? Insanity

When the 2 previous years were not even close to making it at all, and it's the 2nd worst 3-year stretch of the last 50 years? The majority of power 5 teams would fire him.

[Coach34]

Wasn?t that due more to having Gus in waiting though? I mean Gus was the reason they won that natty. Chizik was just the CEO

Yes. They had Gus ready to go

[RockyDog]

Most of yall deserve Tommy Raffo as your coach. Make it happen Salmon!!

[Pinto]

Why is everyone saying we were playing in a regional final? Playing in a final means if you win you go to a super regional.

We were playing to get out of the losers bracket.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Call for his firing- storm the offices. I will be here to watch its hilariousness like I did the football coaching search. We had alllllllll these big names when the search started. Ended up with a coordinator

Football?

We fired JoMo after 2 bowl seasons and got a top 15 all time coach to come here.

We fired Arnett after 1 year and got a top OC, basically Dan ******* resume.

And you want to say we could t hire the Baseball coach at Campbell if we fire a year 6 Lemo? What?

[BankerDog]

Probably, I have no idea. I don't think we will fire lemonis, and I'm sure tomorrow, I'll be fine with him being back. Right now though, I'm pissed, so I'll side with we could fire him if we wanted to

Fair statement. I just think optics look bad at firing the guy after doing what he needed to do to save his job. Now he needs to hit the portal hard and hire some assistants that can evaluate talent like Cann and Coggin

[DawgFromOxford]

I still think we should have won the Regional. But it's baseball. Firing a coach for making the Final 32? Insanity

Do you honestly believe Lemonis is going to get us back to a place of being proud of our baseball team?

[BankerDog]

Two things can be true at once. We had a bounce back year, but we still underachieved relative to the talent we have. Will Lemonis be fired and should be fired are two separate debates entirely.

1. Will we fire him. No. End of discussion.

2. Should we fire him? That is a little tougher. Now I am not the best person to ask because I wanted him fired after 22 and 23 so I am irrational in my thoughts on it. I think he probably has hit his ceiling here and with the palace we play in, we should want more. Now, would we get better if we fired Lemonis?? That is the million dollar question.

Imagine if we got Vittelo and the first instance of him running his mouth off like Johnny Long?we?d want him gone because ?that?s not like us?

[Commercecomet24]

Do you honestly believe Lemonis is going to get us back to a place of being proud of our baseball team?

He did this year. I think we all know if it's not good next year he's gone. He did what he needed to do to get a chance to build on this year.

[Coach34]

When the 2 previous years were not even close to making it at all, and it's the 2nd worst 3-year stretch of the last 50 years? The majority of power 5 teams would fire him.

disagree completely. As I have posted over and over- baseball programs stay with their guys for yearssssssss. LSU didnt win a Natty for the last 11 years of Manieri's time. 3 CWS appearances his last 10 years.

[Coach34]

Do you honestly believe Lemonis is going to get us back to a place of being proud of our baseball team?

He did this year. Last 8 years we have made the tourney- a Regional Final happened.

[Bdawg]

You fire him after a Regional Final and your choices will be the coach from Miss Delta CC, Sewanee, or Louisiana College

Bullshit. We are MSU and are better than that. You are full of shit.

[BankerDog]

Football?

We fired JoMo after 2 bowl seasons and got a top 15 all time coach to come here.

We fired Arnett after 1 year and got a top OC, basically Dan ******* resume.

And you want to say we could t hire the Baseball coach at Campbell if we fire a year 6 Lemo? What?

Fired Jo Mo for off field issues that made Sherrill?s last few years look like middle school crap.

Fired Arnett after 1 year because it was obvious he wasn?t it.

This guy has won our only NC, did what he needed to do to get back into the good graces of the LFL boys, and oh it?s his first time not making a super once he is in regional play. Do people not understand coaches talk and perception?

Who are you going to go hire? Vitello? Jay Johnson? Wes Johnson? Cliff Goodwin? Corbin? Schloss?

If you want him gone, name the guy who is coming that you?d fire him to bring in. Because none of those guys just named are coming here.

[Young dawg]

Forget the records that Lemo has finished with. Just go watch some of these mid major teams play and see how their lineup compares to the one that we have been running out there the last couple years. It?s embarrassing these school are building much better rosters with nowhere near the resources that we have.

[BankerDog]

Bullshit. We are MSU and are better than that. You are full of shit.

WE SET ATTENDANCE RECORDS AND HAVE A COOL OUTFIELD-makes us something!

[StarkVegasSteve]

Bullshit. We are MSU and are better than that. You are full of shit.

That is a bit of a loaded statement. We are a lot like Auburn in football. We are an attractive job, but not nearly as attractive as our fan base thinks. We are also highly overreactional, myself included.

[OBDawg]

For long term success in anything in life, especially sports, the leader must exude confidence. Lemonis is extremely nervous during every game and you can easily see that in his body language. If he can't be confident there is no way the players will be confident in what they are doing.

[SPMT]

JoMo inherited a Ferrari and ran it into a ditch with his pants down. Lemonis won a national championship. It's not the same thing.

Lemonis has run this Ferrari into a ditch and now has one wheel back on the road. This is obvious.

[BankerDog]

Forget the records that Lemo has finished with. Just go watch some of these mid major teams play and see how their lineup compares to the one that we have been running out there the last couple years. It?s embarrassing these school are building much better rosters with nowhere near the resources that we have.

It goes back to evals and not just going to showcases. That?s the problem with Lemo. He is too loyal to Cheese and Jake to go get some assistants with MLB ties (Coggin, Cann) to help him.

[Coach34]

Football?

We fired JoMo after 2 bowl seasons and got a top 15 all time coach to come here.

We fired Arnett after 1 year and got a top OC, basically Dan ******* resume?

JoMo was fired for off the field- not his record.
Arnett was an interim and an easy story to cover- and we STILL ended up with a coordinator.

Also- neither one of those coaches had the success Lemon had this year. Lemon just had a Top 5 SEC finish and made a Regional Final. Both football coaches had losing records

[Commercecomet24]

That is a bit of a loaded statement. We are a lot like Auburn in football. We are an attractive job, but not nearly as attractive as our fan base thinks. We are also highly overreactional, myself included.

I think you nailed it right here.

[StateDawg44]

Fair statement. I just think optics look bad at firing the guy after doing what he needed to do to save his job. Now he needs to hit the portal hard and hire some assistants that can evaluate talent like Cann and Coggin

Do you trust that he actually does these things?

[Coach34]

Bullshit. We are MSU and are better than that. You are full of shit.

Yep- so awesome we hired Indiana's baseball coach and an LSU asst before that

[Coach34]

That is a bit of a loaded statement. We are a lot like Auburn in football. We are an attractive job, but not nearly as attractive as our fan base thinks. We are also highly overreactional, myself included.

This is very spot on- and also we have the added problem of being in Mississippi. That alone eliminates 25% of your candidates

[Brobi-wan]

We were picked to finish last in the conference. This isn?t where any of us want to be. Lemo won?t be fired. We should fire the hitting coach. The hitting coach is literally THE HITTING coach. If the team can?t hit with some of the guys we have in our lineup he has to go.

[ScooterDog]

If we don?t replace him, how is everybody going to feel if he doesn?t replace Gotro and Cheese? Yuck.

[basedog]

One thing for sure, there should be a hitting specialist for next year. Maybe a 3rd base coach as well. 34, Parker was a huge upgrade, gotta get upgrade for hitting.

Proud the way Pico pitched tonight. He should do well next year.

[BankerDog]

If we don?t replace him, how is everybody going to feel if he doesn?t replace Gotro and Cheese? Yuck.

He doesn?t do one or two-he is doubling down and the seat is warm. He better pull some kids in the portal this year. We have shown we can compete in NIL era. However our football and basketball guys seem to evaluate talent a little better.

[KOdawg1]

I disagree that we couldn't pull a good coach if we fired him now, but we aren't going to fire him.

He'll back next year, suck it up, and then we fire him.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Fired Jo Mo for off field issues that made Sherrill?s last few years look like middle school crap.

Fired Arnett after 1 year because it was obvious he wasn?t it.

This guy has won our only NC, did what he needed to do to get back into the good graces of the LFL boys, and oh it?s his first time not making a super once he is in regional play. Do people not understand coaches talk and perception?

Who are you going to go hire? Vitello? Jay Johnson? Wes Johnson? Cliff Goodwin? Corbin? Schloss?

If you want him gone, name the guy who is coming that you?d fire him to bring in. Because none of those guys just named are coming here.

"We fired Arnett after 1 year because it was obvious he wasn't it"

And it's obvious Lemo ain't it. Can't recruit (no Fr contributors this year), can't evaluate coaches (cheese), can't build a solid culture, cant manage in game, can't manage a lineup, can't fix obvious issues in season like our little league baserunning.

"Who are you going to hire?"

Well first off, you're correct that we should have back room talks to gauge interest before we actually fire Lemo. BUT, I think it's interesting you list top 10 coaches as if that's what we'd need to upgrade over Lemo.

UGA hired a PC and he immediately got them rolling. We hired a hitting coach (Cann) and he would have been good if he had kept his dick in his pants. Kentucky hired our hitting coach and it's worked out for them. Tennessee hired Vitelli from some no name school, didn't they?

Fact is, Lemo isn't good. Name me what Lemo does well? You can't. Haire would be an upgrade, as would a dozen other coaches at a small school or a dozen P5 assistants

[StarkVegasSteve]

"We fired Arnett after 1 year because it was obvious he wasn't it"

And it's obvious Lemo ain't it. Can't recruit (no Fr contributors this year), can't evaluate coaches (cheese), can't build a solid culture, cant manage in game, can't manage a lineup, can't fix obvious issues in season like our little league baserunning.

"Who are you going to hire?"

Well first off, you're correct that we should have back room talks to gauge interest before we actually fire Lemo. BUT, I think it's interesting you list top 10 coaches as if that's what we'd need to upgrade over Lemo.

UGA hired a PC and he immediately got them rolling. We hired a hitting coach (Cann) and he would have been good if he had kept his dick in his pants. Kentucky hired our hitting coach and it's worked out for them. Tennesse hired Vitelli from some no name school, didn't they?

Fact is, Lemo isn't good. Name me what Leno does well? You can't. Haute would be an upgrade, as would a dozen other coaches at a hall school or a dozen P5 assistants

That no name school they hired Vitello from was Arkansas. They are a decent program. Underachieve but still solid program.

[Santiago]

Fired Jo Mo for off field issues that made Sherrill?s last few years look like middle school crap.

Fired Arnett after 1 year because it was obvious he wasn?t it.

This guy has won our only NC, did what he needed to do to get back into the good graces of the LFL boys, and oh it?s his first time not making a super once he is in regional play. Do people not understand coaches talk and perception?

Who are you going to go hire? Vitello? Jay Johnson? Wes Johnson? Cliff Goodwin? Corbin? Schloss?

If you want him gone, name the guy who is coming that you?d fire him to bring in. Because none of those guys just named are coming here.

IF he is just a CEO coach, then does it matter.
We do need a coach that can evaluate better than what Lemonis has shown.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

I disagree that we couldn't pull a good coach if we fired him now, but we aren't going to fire him.

He'll back next year, suck it up, and then we fire him.

Agreed that's what will actually happen. I'm just pissed because I could see this coming for a year now

[BankerDog]

"We fired Arnett after 1 year because it was obvious he wasn't it"

And it's obvious Lemo ain't it. Can't recruit (no Fr contributors this year), can't evaluate coaches (cheese), can't build a solid culture, cant manage in game, can't manage a lineup, can't fix obvious issues in season like our little league baserunning.

"Who are you going to hire?"

Well first off, you're correct that we should have back room talks to gauge interest before we actually fire Lemo. BUT, I think it's interesting you list top 10 coaches as if that's what we'd need to upgrade over Lemo.

UGA hired a PC and he immediately got them rolling. We hired a hitting coach (Cann) and he would have been good if he had kept his dick in his pants. Kentucky hired our hitting coach and it's worked out for them. Tennessee hired Vitelli from some no name school, didn't they?

Fact is, Lemo isn't good. Name me what Lemo does well? You can't. Haire would be an upgrade, as would a dozen other coaches at a small school or a dozen P5 assistants

HE WON A NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP. you know-THE ONLY ONE in our history? Something Ron Polk with that loaded 89 team and Cohen with a loaded 2016 team couldn?t do. Something Dave Van Horn hasn?t done.

[BankerDog]

"We fired Arnett after 1 year because it was obvious he wasn't it"

And it's obvious Lemo ain't it. Can't recruit (no Fr contributors this year), can't evaluate coaches (cheese), can't build a solid culture, cant manage in game, can't manage a lineup, can't fix obvious issues in season like our little league baserunning.

"Who are you going to hire?"

Well first off, you're correct that we should have back room talks to gauge interest before we actually fire Lemo. BUT, I think it's interesting you list top 10 coaches as if that's what we'd need to upgrade over Lemo.

UGA hired a PC and he immediately got them rolling. We hired a hitting coach (Cann) and he would have been good if he had kept his dick in his pants. Kentucky hired our hitting coach and it's worked out for them. Tennessee hired Vitelli from some no name school, didn't they?

Fact is, Lemo isn't good. Name me what Lemo does well? You can't. Haire would be an upgrade, as would a dozen other coaches at a small school or a dozen P5 assistants

Also, bud, Haire didn?t make the tournament this year. Maybe Campbell should fire him?

[SPMT]

Do you honestly believe Lemonis is going to get us back to a place of being proud of our baseball team?

He will not and we all know it. Yet, some are so fearful. He has shown nothing to make anyone believe he will lead us back to the NC. Nothing since that team graduated.

Maybe he could. I have serious doubts. He?s shown no ability to and he has damn near an entire starting roster to turnover next year.

[DawgFromOxford]

He did this year. Last 8 years we have made the tourney- a Regional Final happened.

My fault. It was a poorly worded question. Do you honestly believe Lemonis is capable of taking our program back to being a national contender?

[Coach34]

Agreed that's what will actually happen. I'm just pissed because I could see this coming for a year now

That's bullshit. You in no way posted or thought we would make a Regional Final in the months preceding May

[Quaoarsking]

Also, bud, Haire didn?t make the tournament this year. Maybe Campbell should fire him?

He finished 12-15 in a 1-bid league. In the SEC, that percentage makes a Regional most of the time.

And this is the first year Campbell has been in the CAA, upgrading from the Big South, and he still was decent.

[Santiago]

HE WON A NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP. you know-THE ONLY ONE in our history? Something Ron Polk with that loaded 89 team and Cohen with a loaded 2016 team couldn?t do. Something Dave Van Horn hasn?t done.

He won it but he did not evaluate and build it.
Something we are seeing now, that he and the staff got lazy evaluating after the championship.
We have failed to make it to a super regional in 3 straight seasons. Something not done since the Polk2/hiring Cohen transition.
And this year pisses me off that he had a clear path to win the regional and host a super regional.
Next year we rebuild in the portal, in a big way. We are in the Polk2 era again.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

That's bullshit. You in no way posted or thought we would make a Regional Final in the months preceding May

They certainly got better in the second half of SEC play, I don't dispute that. It wasn't a bad year by any stretch- the issue is that it was because of raw player talent that's all leaving and we seem to have nothing coming up behind it. THIS was the spike year, next year will be down. Lemo is still awful at coaching fundamentals and awful at in game management. That isn't going to hange. Long term, we're better off with someone else.

If you could guarantee me he'd have us in the top half of the SEC each year I'd say give him a lifetime contract. But this season was as good as a Lemo roster will ever due because Lemo himself holds them back

[Quaoarsking]

He did this year. Last 8 years we have made the tourney- a Regional Final happened.

This was the first time we made a Regional and didn't win it since 2014. Making a "regional final" is only slightly better (if that) than coming in 3rd in a Regional. You either win the Regional or you lose it, and for the first time in a decade, he lost one. (And the 2 years before this one, he wasn't even good enough to lose one.)

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

That no name school they hired Vitello from was Arkansas. They are a decent program. Underachieve but still solid program.

Ahh that's right, he was their hitting coach. That's still the point I'm making great coaches are out there who'd say yes to our job

[Santiago]

That's bullshit. You in no way posted or thought we would make a Regional Final in the months preceding May

St John and Grand Canyon made a regional. What's your point? We just blew a golden opportunity to host a super , and have a clear shot to Omaha

[Quaoarsking]

Ultimately you have to ask, "should we as a program expect better than 35-55 in the SEC, with only 1 Regional appearance (without winning it) over a 3-year period?"

I think the answer is a very obvious Yes. The fact that we've only had 1 worse 3-year stretch over the past 50 years is as good of proof that you're ever going to get on a question like this.

If you want to argue that Lemonis should get 1 more year for whatever reason, go for it, but don't act like this is a ridiculous question to ask, or that the last 3 years somehow haven't been a really bad aberration for our program.

[Todd4State]

Agreed that's what will actually happen. I'm just pissed because I could see this coming for a year now

Oh bullshit. So you were actually complaining about a 40 win season coming up all offseason? LOL.

[DawgFromOxford]

Also, bud, Haire didn?t make the tournament this year. Maybe Campbell should fire him?

Haire missed a regional for the first time in 6 years and you want to hold it against him?

But Lemonis does the bare minimum to meet expectations and he gets a pass because of what he did 3 years ago with a team someone built for him?

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Also, bud, Haire didn?t make the tournament this year. Maybe Campbell should fire him?

Why do you pretend I'm going off 1 year of sample size? Look at the past 3 seasons; Haire is a much better coach

[Quaoarsking]

Even if you only look at this year, if Haire and Lemonis had swapped jobs in January, I think it's pretty safe to say that we would have been better this year than we actually were, and Campbell would have been worse.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Oh bullshit. So you were actually complaining about a 40 win season coming up all offseason? LOL.

What I saw coming was that Lemo would do just enough to survive due to the pure talent and experience of the roster, but he's a bad coach and we'd Ivan's ultimately fire him after '25

The team was better than I expected them to be. Parker had the staff way better than I thought he would be able to. BUT, Lemo himself is obviously not a good coach. He's just not. Awful game management, blind to terrible assistants, and his recruiting leaves holes like no DH

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Look at the end of the day just throw away the fear of what other will say and genuinely ask yourself "is Lemonis the best coach for State?" He's obviously not. His lineup and in game decisions alone are a flaw that will hold us back at the top levels. Then the terrible fundamentals... last year it was defense, this year baserunning. He just always lets the tream be a clown show in some aspect of the game.

He is a recruiting head coach that has a background in hitting. Well, the recruiting isn't good and our offense sucked when we needed them, so what exactly is the point of Lemo?

[bobtail bob]

Everyone has a point where they are at their peak. All aspects of your life are pulling in synchronization.

No matter what happens during this time you will come to a place that things start falling off..

I see laziness and lack of attention to detail. He?s peaked and will never be what he was . I think he knows it too and is just going down with the ship like a good captain.

Our whole program looks stale and confused. It?s time for a reset. New top to bottom including the press box.We?ve done it before. No need to fear, just make the move. Any more time he stays is wasted time.

[Todd4State]

Let me weigh in on this:

1. You people that want Lemonis fired are cutting off your nose to spite your face. Again- he is a CEO coach who is only as good as his assistants. That's why we magically got better once we fired Foxhall. It's also why we won a title when Foxhall and Gautreau did a good job in 2021. Like I said in the offseason if we get a better pitching coach we would be in the postseason and lo and behold here we are. So that said- imagine what would happen if we had Parker and a better pitching coach? We probably easily host. We can fire Lemonis if we want to. I really don't care. But fixing the problem is a LOT easier than blowing up everything IMO. Baseball is a stats driven sport and looking at our stats much like last year it's again pretty obvious what the problem was and obvious how to fix it.

2. Now how we fix the hitting coach issue is going to be interesting to me because Gautreau should go. He's not as bad as Foxhall but the offense and base running were the major issues this year. And we pay him so much I kind of doubt he is going to find a mid major job unless we just tell him to go find one which isn't out of the realm of possibility. At the very least we need to hire a hitting analyst whether we bring Gautreau back or not. But if it were me I would just fire him and hire Duke's hitting coach and a hitting analyst and forget it. If we hire someone good it will have a similar impact as Parker had on the pitching staff.

3. This season was better but it wasn't up to our standard either. Lemonis will be coming back but I imagine his extension will be minimal. If he doesn't address the hitting it should be even less. We're not coming off of a National Championship so he doesn't have the mulligan to use that he had with Foxhall.

4. If we did fire him Lemonis and hired Haire- we're replacing him with a guy that just missed a regional. We CAN hire someone elite- but that doesn't mean we don't have to handle it properly. The whole reason we ended up with Lemonis is because Cohen botched the search running his mouth.

5. We're going to hit the portal hard this offseason. Get used to it. This is the college baseball era we're living in now. Going to be like this every year now for the foreseeable future. At least we'll be going into this portal season with a legit pitching coach and a regional appearance. Word on the street is we're already being pretty active and there is some return interest. Odds are we will be fine. Getting a better hitting coach and let's roll. And don't give me this "well we suck in the portal" bullshit because Braden Montgomery's Mom and Dad wanted him close to home. Khal Stephen, Nate Dohm, Tyler Davis, Conner Hujsack, Logan Kohler, Amani Larry, and Joe Powell disagree with you. I'll believe that Lemonis is in trouble when we crap out in the portal this offseason which doesn't seem very likely to me. But that won't be known until September.

6. Our expectations should be a SR appearance every year with a ceiling of winning a National Championship. We improved the pitching now all we have to do is improve the hitting and baserunning and we're hosting and we're well on our way. We had what was it? 23 losses and I think something like 10 of those losses were by one run? Fix the hitting and cut that down to five one run losses at least and we're likely a 20 win SEC team getting ready to host a SR.

7. You fans that want to withhold your NIL because you don't like Lemonis are idiots. If Lemonis is as bad as you think he is then he isn't going to put together a good team even with your money. What it does is hurt our chances of replacing him if we have to. So by all means dare Lemonis to win. Because if you're right he won't.

[MoreCowbell]

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[Todd4State]

What I saw coming was that Lemo would do just enough to survive due to the pure talent and experience of the roster, but he's a bad coach and we'd Ivan's ultimately fire him after '25

The team was better than I expected them to be. Parker had the staff way better than I thought he would be able to. BUT, Lemo himself is obviously not a good coach. He's just not. Awful game management, blind to terrible assistants, and his recruiting leaves holes like no DH

Again- bullshit. As soon as we lost to Austin Peay and Air Force you were on here crowing about being "right". Lemonis is going to leave eventually so I guess you will be right at some point.

[The Federalist Engineer]

Virginia got all the damn luck and their 6-ERA starter was good enough. Two pick offs at 2nd. How many MSU throws into the dugout.

Decisions that get you there are playing out of control. Stupid baserunning. Mistakes. But also weak transfer recruitment.

Hujsak went awol for the week.

Why Nate Chester batting for the last out, garbage.

IF msu started Ligon today, he would have been shelled for 10 in 2 innings. All the luck for UVA.

[MoreCowbell]

So what do you do when he says no? He's not taking this job if we fire Lemon after a season like this.

Yes he would

[Todd4State]

Look at the end of the day just throw away the fear of what other will say and genuinely ask yourself "is Lemonis the best coach for State?" He's obviously not. His lineup and in game decisions alone are a flaw that will hold us back at the top levels. Then the terrible fundamentals... last year it was defense, this year baserunning. He just always lets the tream be a clown show in some aspect of the game.

He is a recruiting head coach that has a background in hitting. Well, the recruiting isn't good and our offense sucked when we needed them, so what exactly is the point of Lemo?

We've won with several types of coaches here. And we'll find something to bitch about with the next coach too.

Lemonis keeps things pretty close to vest so it's hard to know what he thinks and sees. He repeatedly took up for Foxhall....until he fired him in the middle of the season.

I'm sure he sees what we all see. How he handles it is going to be interesting. I don't think he has the same relationship with Gautreau that he had with Foxhall who was his friend. And people forget that he inherited Gautreau. So I haven't heard anything but knowing what I do know it wouldn't surprise me at all if Gautreau resigns soon.

[Todd4State]

Yes he would

I would give Haire next season to see how it goes. Sure he missed the regionals when they switched conferences and it could be a one off. But we need to know.

Personally I think I would go after Duke's coach first.

[smootness]

Let me weigh in on this:

1. You people that want Lemonis fired are cutting off your nose to spite your face. Again- he is a CEO coach who is only as good as his assistants. That's why we magically got better once we fired Foxhall. It's also why we won a title when Foxhall and Gautreau did a good job in 2021. Like I said in the offseason if we get a better pitching coach we would be in the postseason and lo and behold here we are. So that said- imagine what would happen if we had Parker and a better pitching coach? We probably easily host. We can fire Lemonis if we want to. I really don't care. But fixing the problem is a LOT easier than blowing up everything IMO. Baseball is a stats driven sport and looking at our stats much like last year it's again pretty obvious what the problem was and obvious how to fix it.

So if this is a defense of Lemonis, tell me what aspects of being CEO he is excelling in. Because if his success is entirely tied to his assistants, why would we not just go hire the best pitching or hitting coach we can and then we only need to find 1 other good assistant instead of 2?

If he was killing it in recruiting, the portal, roster management, attention to detail, fundamentals, etc. but we had a subpar offensive year, your point would stand. But we are bad in all those areas at the moment, at the very least you have to admit we are in no way excelling. So why would we keep the guy if he is a ?CEO? doing essentially nothing? What does he actually bring to the program then?

[SPMT]

Do you honestly believe Lemonis is going to get us back to a place of being proud of our baseball team?


Ultimately you have to ask, "should we as a program expect better than 35-55 in the SEC, with only 1 Regional appearance (without winning it) over a 3-year period?"

I think the answer is a very obvious Yes. The fact that we've only had 1 worse 3-year stretch over the past 50 years is as good of proof that you're ever going to get on a question like this.

If you want to argue that Lemonis should get 1 more year for whatever reason, go for it, but don't act like this is a ridiculous question to ask, or that the last 3 years somehow haven't been a really bad aberration for our program.

That?s truth. It?s not up to par. He makes a freakish portal haul then yes, I will be impressed. But so far he hasn?t.

[DawgFromOxford]

Virginia got all the damn luck

It wasn?t luck UVA is a better team than us. Their lineup is full of guys who put the ball in play to make things happen. We committed errors that they capitalized on. They matched what we did and then outplayed us in the final innings to seal the deal in 2 straight games

[SPMT]

Let me weigh in on this:

1. You people that want Lemonis fired are cutting off your nose to spite your face. Again- he is a CEO coach who is only as good as his assistants. That's why we magically got better once we fired Foxhall. It's also why we won a title when Foxhall and Gautreau did a good job in 2021. Like I said in the offseason if we get a better pitching coach we would be in the postseason and lo and behold here we are. So that said- imagine what would happen if we had Parker and a better pitching coach? We probably easily host. We can fire Lemonis if we want to. I really don't care. But fixing the problem is a LOT easier than blowing up everything IMO. Baseball is a stats driven sport and looking at our stats much like last year it's again pretty obvious what the problem was and obvious how to fix it.

2. Now how we fix the hitting coach issue is going to be interesting to me because Gautreau should go. He's not as bad as Foxhall but the offense and base running were the major issues this year. And we pay him so much I kind of doubt he is going to find a mid major job unless we just tell him to go find one which isn't out of the realm of possibility. At the very least we need to hire a hitting analyst whether we bring Gautreau back or not. But if it were me I would just fire him and hire Duke's hitting coach and a hitting analyst and forget it. If we hire someone good it will have a similar impact as Parker had on the pitching staff.

3. This season was better but it wasn't up to our standard either. Lemonis will be coming back but I imagine his extension will be minimal. If he doesn't address the hitting it should be even less. We're not coming off of a National Championship so he doesn't have the mulligan to use that he had with Foxhall.

4. If we did fire him Lemonis and hired Haire- we're replacing him with a guy that just missed a regional. We CAN hire someone elite- but that doesn't mean we don't have to handle it properly. The whole reason we ended up with Lemonis is because Cohen botched the search running his mouth.

5. We're going to hit the portal hard this offseason. Get used to it. This is the college baseball era we're living in now. Going to be like this every year now for the foreseeable future. At least we'll be going into this portal season with a legit pitching coach and a regional appearance. Word on the street is we're already being pretty active and there is some return interest. Odds are we will be fine. Getting a better hitting coach and let's roll. And don't give me this "well we suck in the portal" bullshit because Braden Montgomery's Mom and Dad wanted him close to home. Khal Stephen, Nate Dohm, Tyler Davis, Conner Hujsack, Logan Kohler, Amani Larry, and Joe Powell disagree with you. I'll believe that Lemonis is in trouble when we crap out in the portal this offseason which doesn't seem very likely to me. But that won't be known until September.

6. Our expectations should be a SR appearance every year with a ceiling of winning a National Championship. We improved the pitching now all we have to do is improve the hitting and baserunning and we're hosting and we're well on our way. We had what was it? 23 losses and I think something like 10 of those losses were by one run? Fix the hitting and cut that down to five one run losses at least and we're likely a 20 win SEC team getting ready to host a SR.

7. You fans that want to withhold your NIL because you don't like Lemonis are idiots. If Lemonis is as bad as you think he is then he isn't going to put together a good team even with your money. What it does is hurt our chances of replacing him if we have to. So by all means dare Lemonis to win. Because if you're right he won't.

That was a poorly coached/execution based team tonight. That is inarguable.

It is concerning that we didn?t have but one freshmen that challenged the starting lineup.

Until proven otherwise, this lineup turnover will be excruciating. Our offense, while apparently average, wasn?t what we expect or good enough.

Maybe Lemonis can get back to Omaha, however he has shown nothing to make me believe he can recruit at a level to do so.

[SPMT]

It wasn?t luck UVA is a better team than us. Their lineup is full of guys who put the ball in play to make things happen. We committed errors that they capitalized on. They matched what we did and then outplayed us in the final innings to seal the deal in 2 straight games

This is the truth.

[maroonmania]

It wasn?t luck UVA is a better team than us. Their lineup is full of guys who put the ball in play to make things happen. We committed errors that they capitalized on. They matched what we did and then outplayed us in the final innings to seal the deal in 2 straight games

Exactly, playing VA on the road was just like all the SEC road series we lost this season where we said if we had done this or done that we would have won. When you have to say that over and over your team is just not capable of doing the things needed to win, at least not consistently. We are really bad at situational, fundamental baseball and that costs us close games over and over. We were definitely kings of the one run loss this year. Not sure if we set a record for one run losses in a season but if we didn't it had to have been close.

[SPMT]

That no name school they hired Vitello from was Arkansas. They are a decent program. Underachieve but still solid program.

They are better than us and would skull 17 us like the last time they were here.

[MoreCowbell]

Yep- so awesome we hired Indiana's baseball coach and an LSU asst before that

But we cannot get Campbells coach right?

[basedog]

We've won with several types of coaches here. And we'll find something to bitch about with the next coach too.

Lemonis keeps things pretty close to vest so it's hard to know what he thinks and sees. He repeatedly took up for Foxhall....until he fired him in the middle of the season.

I'm sure he sees what we all see. How he handles it is going to be interesting. I don't think he has the same relationship with Gautreau that he had with Foxhall who was his friend. And people forget that he inherited Gautreau. So I haven't heard anything but knowing what I do know it wouldn't surprise me at all if Gautreau resigns soon.

Let me say this Todd, there were some serious issues the last two years, that is a fact. Seems some or most were resolved this past year. I don’t know about things so much this past season except it was better. But we still have some fundamental issues. I think we had some players this year that showed more leadership (that was missing in the past). Lastly, HC have to hold players accountable, you can’t let college kids do as they please in the clubhouse and practice fields. One big change was u didn’t see Lemonis sitting on his bucket this year.
But things I do know from the past changed my thoughts on things. So this year was better, let’s hope it continues, I have my thoughts but it doesn’t matter. It matters moving forward,
Just saying.

[Todd4State]

So if this is a defense of Lemonis, tell me what aspects of being CEO he is excelling in. Because if his success is entirely tied to his assistants, why would we not just go hire the best pitching or hitting coach we can and then we only need to find 1 other good assistant instead of 2?

If he was killing it in recruiting, the portal, roster management, attention to detail, fundamentals, etc. but we had a subpar offensive year, your point would stand. But we are bad in all those areas at the moment, at the very least you have to admit we are in no way excelling. So why would we keep the guy if he is a ?CEO? doing essentially nothing? What does he actually bring to the program then?

Because the weird thing about all of this to me is one thing goes to shit and then when that gets fixed something else goes to shit.

How many fans were calling for Gautreau to be fired in the offseason? Not very many. Because it wasn't warranted. The offense improved from 2022 to 2023 and then regressed this year along with base running.

You don't fire assistants just to fire them if they're performing.

Plus- context here- we're talking about the difference between a National seed and being a two seed. Not a losing team to being a team making it back to a regional anymore.

[Todd4State]

Let me say this Todd, there were some serious issues the last two years, that is a fact. Seems some or most were resolved this past year. I don’t know about things so much this past season except it was better. But we still have some fundamental issues. I think we had some players this year that showed more leadership (that was missing in the past). Lastly, HC have to hold players accountable, you can’t let college kids do as they please in the clubhouse and practice fields. One big change was u didn’t see Lemonis sitting on his bucket this year.
But things I do know from the past changed my thoughts on things. So this year was better, let’s hope it continues, I have my thoughts but it doesn’t matter. It matters moving forward,
Just saying.

It seems to me like we won the NC and decided that we were going to try to act like a pro team. Which probably could work when you have Tanner Allen and Landon Sims and those guys. Although I think I could make an argument that team somewhat underachieved during the regular season and probably should have won the SEC. Anyway, treating college baseball players like pros is never going to work in general. That explains our formerly "pro style" pitching approach and our "pro style hitting approach".

Sounds like Lemonis is learning lessons which I know some of our fans don't want to hear. But if he goes the same path with hitting as he did with pitching this past season the truth is we will be fine.

[Quaoarsking]

Because the weird thing about all of this to me is one thing goes to shit and then when that gets fixed something else goes to shit.

That's a terrible look for Lemonis. You're making the anti-Lemonis crowd's argument for them by pointing that out.

[BuckyIsAB****]

All a regional final means is that you didnt win the regional. Nobody hangs banners for regional final appearances.

[Todd4State]

That's a terrible look for Lemonis. You're making the anti-Lemonis crowd's argument for them by pointing that out.

I think it's a terrible look for Gautreau.

What's Lemonis supposed to do? Just assume that hitting is going to go to shit when there were no tangible signs of that happening before?

And for the record I'm pretty neutral about Lemonis. There are issues. But after winning 40 games this year I think it's very correctable without burning everything down.

[SilentSteel16]

All a regional final means is that you didnt win the regional. Nobody hangs banners for regional final appearances.

UVA does, well, they put it on their outfield walls.

To be clear UVA was the better team, had the better coach and had the home field. Anything other than that, we would have had them. Ha

[SilentSteel16]

I see a lot of bickering on here about whether he should stay or go. I personally don?t think he is in your face enough. Not sure that you can be nowadays. I just don?t see a lot of fire there. The hitting has been atrocious and agree 1000 percent it is time to go another direction hitting. Parker is going to be great, what he did this year was phenomenal. Lemonis I personally think should be looking for a job. If he stays I think the expectation should be a Super or firing. There will be massive turnover in the roster but he has time to prepare for it. If he knows, if I don?t make a super, then he will possibly push himself and his team harder. I just don?t see it anymore with him, I feel complacency has set in.

[SilentSteel16]

Lemonis has shown his ability to manage, I just don?t feel like he has that fire anymore. The players loved him and I go back to Mangum and Allen, they would have walked through fire for him. Something has changed with Lemonis, I don?t know if it is complacency or what but it sure looks like it. I hope he can find himself if he stays. If not he is just wasting these young men?s time and eligibility. But GoTro must go.

[Todd4State]

Lemonis has shown his ability to manage, I just don?t feel like he has that fire anymore. The players loved him and I go back to Mangum and Allen, they would have walked through fire for him. Something has changed with Lemonis, I don?t know if it is complacency or what but it sure looks like it. I hope he can find himself if he stays. If not he is just wasting these young men?s time and eligibility. But GoTro must go.

He has never been super emotional. Even when Jake and TA were here. If our fans are expecting our coaches to be like Polk and Cohen where they're arguing with umpires all the time I don't know that is ever going to be the case again as long as the SEC protects their umpires like they do. Each coach basically gets one ejection a year. Even Vitello has dialed it back. And hell- when we had Cohen our fan complained about his cussing and how he acted in the dugout.

I don't think you go from 28 wins one year to 40 the next if you are complacent. And we can't say that this was a team he inherited or was built for him anymore. He built this 40 win team.

I think what happened in hindsight is he inherited a lot of great players who were alpha male leaders and didn't really need a ton of direction and we won the title with them. And then the coaches decided to go in a more pro- player driven style driven by velocity and spin (Foxhall) and winning with home runs (Gautreau) but it blew up in our face in 2022 and 2023 to the point where we decided to go ahead and make a change at PC thinking that Gautreau's side would perform at a reasonable level as there was no reason to think it wouldn't but then the hitting cratered so now we have to fix that.

[The Federalist Engineer]

A big move that Lemons has to make is to fix the on-field discipline issues:

(1) the Ozzie smith stuff in the MIF is all wrong. Never saw Dansby Swanson do the shit MSU does.
(2) not only is this bad in general, the boys were flinging balls in regional elimination games. Costed runs in both games today. Higher stakes, worse discipline.
(3) never seen so many slides going over the base, what?
(4) why the stupid leads at 2nd base. You are already in scoring position.

What coach behavior is driving reckless play? Fix that

[SilentSteel16]

He has never been super emotional. Even when Jake and TA were here. If our fans are expecting our coaches to be like Polk and Cohen where they're arguing with umpires all the time I don't know that is ever going to be the case again as long as the SEC protects their umpires like they do. Each coach basically gets one ejection a year. Even Vitello has dialed it back. And hell- when we had Cohen our fan complained about his cussing and how he acted in the dugout.

I don't think you go from 28 wins one year to 40 the next if you are complacent. And we can't say that this was a team he inherited or was built for him anymore. He built this 40 win team.

I think what happened in hindsight is he inherited a lot of great players who were alpha male leaders and didn't really need a ton of direction and we won the title with them. And then the coaches decided to go in a more pro- player driven style driven by velocity and spin (Foxhall) and winning with home runs (Gautreau) but it blew up in our face in 2022 and 2023 to the point where we decided to go ahead and make a change at PC thinking that Gautreau's side would perform at a reasonable level as there was no reason to think it wouldn't but then the hitting cratered so now we have to fix that.

I agree with what you are saying, that is why I said I don?t think that style is allowed anymore. However, the buy in from those guys like Mangum and TA we?re from personal relationships with Lemonis. He builds that in August- April. The fans never see that, so either that has changed with him or this NIL stuff has completely changed the player/coach dynamic. It may be a combination but as I said I want a coach that goes to bat for his players and also holds players accountable. I have not seen that in the last couple of years.

To be clear again, Lemonis is a good coach but there was been a shift in him for some reason. Figure that out and maybe we can get somewhere but sitting back hands off like he has been is a failure of leadership for these young men

[Todd4State]

A big move that Lemons has to make is to fix the on-field discipline issues:

(1) the Ozzie smith stuff in the MIF is all wrong. Never saw Dansby Swanson do the shit MSU does.
(2) not only is this bad in general, the boys were flinging balls in regional elimination games. Costed runs in both games today. Higher stakes, worse discipline.
(3) never seen so many slides going over the base, what?
(4) why the stupid leads at 2nd base. You are already in scoring position.

What coach behavior is driving reckless play? Fix that

I would think Gautreau would have something to do with the baserunning. Could be Cheese.

Again- that's why I want a hitting analyst to help with some of the baserunning.

[Todd4State]

I agree with what you are saying, that is why I said I don?t think that style is allowed anymore. However, the buy in from those guys like Mangum and TA we?re from personal relationships with Lemonis. He builds that in August- April. The fans never see that, so either that has changed with him or this NIL stuff has completely changed the player/coach dynamic. It may be a combination but as I said I want a coach that goes to bat for his players and also holds players accountable. I have not seen that in the last couple of years.

To be clear again, Lemonis is a good coach but there was been a shift in him for some reason. Figure that out and maybe we can get somewhere but sitting back hands off like he has been is a failure of leadership for these young men

Jake and TA were burned by Cann. That team ended up in Omaha but they and we were probably robbed of a SR host because of how irresponsible Cann was. Lemonis stabilized things.

When we hired Lemonis, NIL and the portal were just starting or were about to start. Remember how MSU was going to fund everyone's baseball scholarships by selling autographed baseball's at like 800 dollars a pop? LOL. Pretty sure that was in 2021 when that happened. Charlie has done a wonderful job with our NIL. The portal- I think Lemonis learned some lessons early on. He had to learn that we can't add too many Jess Davis types as favors to Ron Polk and we ended up with a pitching staff with zero LHP almost. He and we have gotten better. The only thing he hasn't done is land a Braden Montgomery type. But we at least meet needs. Since the end of 2022 I can't think of any hole we haven't been able to fill through the portal at least adequately.

[Ranchdawg]

What is truly sad. USM is getting it done with way far less. You can’t tell me they have as much NIL monies, damn sure don’t have same facilities and don’t have same fan base. But yet one of their best coaches retires and his assistant takes over and they don’t miss a beat. Make regionals make super regionals and while we are all patting our coach on the back for just making it to a regional and look like dog poop getting there and look like crap at regional.

Geesh let a program in our state that has a fraction of our resources have winning records and make regionals. That’s just absolutely sad.

[DAWG1903]

My .02 - Lemonis is a GM but he is not a good coach. He is a hands off manager with players and assistants. He must have alphas in the locker room and great assistants to make it all work.
We do need a new approach at the plate.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Again- bullshit. As soon as we lost to Austin Peay and Air Force you were on here crowing about being "right". Lemonis is going to leave eventually so I guess you will be right at some point.

Nope! I have posts saying that we can't evaluate the team for a while. Also when SEC play started, I said we should give them 2 full weekend before reacting either way

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Todd, Lemo -as you said- is a CEO type coach. That means he needs to recruit elite players, evaluate the assistants who will do the actual coaching, and instills good culture. Let's look at each:

Talent: Lemos recruiting leaves something to be desired. Sub par C, 3B, 2B, LF, DH, and no Fr that look like they'll be studs.

Coaching evaluation: he brought Cheese who is doing nothing for us. Missed that Fox was phoning it in and brought him back for '23. Jake G being bad isn't Lemos fault, I agree with you there... but Lemo still needs to actually pull the trigger on firing him and bring in a good replacement. Lemo did excellent at evaluating Parker, I'll give him that.

Culture: the culture was fine this year, but not anything out of the ordinary. The 2 seasons before we had an awful culture. It isn't clear if Lemo has figured this out or if this years culture was due to other circumstances, but he's clearly not a "culture guru" if you will.

Let me ask you this: what does Lemo do well?

Moreover, at the point where we have to have an elite PC and an elite Hitting Coach to make Lemo work... well any HC will get you to a regional if you give them that + our NIL to work with

Edit: forgot the 4th thing a "ceo" coach does- manage games, which Lemo SUCKS at

[Mjoelner34]

Jake and TA were burned by Cann. That team ended up in Omaha but they and we were probably robbed of a SR host because of how irresponsible Cann was. Lemonis stabilized things.

When we hired Lemonis, NIL and the portal were just starting or were about to start. Remember how MSU was going to fund everyone's baseball scholarships by selling autographed baseball's at like 800 dollars a pop? LOL. Pretty sure that was in 2021 when that happened. Charlie has done a wonderful job with our NIL. The portal- I think Lemonis learned some lessons early on. He had to learn that we can't add too many Jess Davis types as favors to Ron Polk and we ended up with a pitching staff with zero LHP almost. He and we have gotten better. The only thing he hasn't done is land a Braden Montgomery type. But we at least meet needs. Since the end of 2022 I can't think of any hole we haven't been able to fill through the portal at least adequately.

Actually, granny Henderson stabilized things which allowed Lemonis to step into a turn-key Omaha team full of veterans and leaders.

[Santiago]

We hired our 8th choice when we hired him. Some of you are insane about who we can hire. Remember that sitting HC we were gonna hire in football?

Baseball coaches dont move around. Thats why all these coaches stay places 20 years. Nobody is coming to coach at a place that fired their coach after a Regional Final

I don't think "we" hired "our 8th choice. It was Cohen's 8th choice. Maybe we aren't any better this time around, but it did seem Cohen looming over a baseball coach was an issue also.
The sad part is Lemonis was hired and touted as an elite hitting coach and recruiter.
If Gotro goes, then Lemonis has to take that blame.

You ask what HC can we get if we fire Lemonis, but really what top notch hitting coach do we hire and convince to move to Starkville knowing this could be Lemonis's last season.

A new HC would have a far better time setting up new assistants, and even bringing in their current recruits and evaluations.

MSU, as much as people want to put down Starkville, and coaches of other sports not liking it there..... for baseball MSU gives a coach a much better shot at Omaha and super regionals than many other programs. So it boils down to hiring the coach that has that type of fire in his belly and not one that wants to be a lifer and status quo.

[smootness]

Because the weird thing about all of this to me is one thing goes to shit and then when that gets fixed something else goes to shit.

How many fans were calling for Gautreau to be fired in the offseason? Not very many. Because it wasn't warranted. The offense improved from 2022 to 2023 and then regressed this year along with base running.

You don't fire assistants just to fire them if they're performing.

Plus- context here- we're talking about the difference between a National seed and being a two seed. Not a losing team to being a team making it back to a regional anymore.

You did not even attempt to answer my question. Again, even as a CEO coach, what is Lemonis bringing to the table?

[Santiago]

Also when people say coaches would not follow after Lemonis this season, I know some would, and also would think they could have a far better chance at Omaha here than at their current schools.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

I don't think "we" hired "our 8th choice. It was Cohen's 8th choice. Maybe we aren't any better this time around, but it did seem Cohen looming over a baseball coach was an issue also.
The sad part is Lemonis was hired and touted as an elite hitting coach and recruiter.
If Gotro goes, then Lemonis has to take that blame.

You ask what HC can we get if we fire Lemonis, but really what top notch hitting coach do we hire and convince to move to Starkville knowing this could be Lemonis's last season.

A new HC would have a far better time setting up new assistants, and even bringing in their current recruits and evaluations.

I'll actually defend Lemo a bit on Gotro. He was considered a great hitting coach when Lemo got here and this board wanted him retained. He's been sub par these past few seasons but this is the first where the performance was bad enough to be fireable. You say that if Gotro is fired it's on Lemo, but I think that's backwards; Lemo gets blame if he DOESNT replace Jake.

As for "what elite hitting coach would come here with a lane duck HC", we said the same thing last year yet we got Parker.

My thing is that IF we can hire an elite PC and hitting coach with a lane duck HC, then we could also hire those elite assistants with a new coach like Haire, so what exactly is Lemo giving us? These commenters are dancing around the fact Lemo is a boat anchor. Yes if we give Lemo great facilities, great fan support, great NIL, enough cash to go hire elite assistants, then Lemo can have us as a top 20 program. But that's true of any HC, and a good HC would take those same inputs and produce a top 10 program.

[smootness]

UVA does, well, they put it on their outfield walls.

They do? Where? All I saw was CWS appearances.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

You did not even attempt to answer my question. Again, even as a CEO coach, what is Lemonis bringing to the table?

C34, id also like to direct this question at you

[basedog]

Fact is Lemonis stepped into a room full "of dirtbag go getters" that were leaders, he handled that his situation great as they had great work ethics and made everyone around them better. Then the laziness and lack if work ethics set in and boom, we fell off the cliff. Now moving forward, we are better, my concern is how we will do or be this coming year as it is without any doubt a rebuild year. Losing the potential of every player except one everyday player is very iffy.

Hope we do well and moving forward and not backwards again. And yes, Starkville is not a bad place to live now days, hell every high paying HC in America has some lake, beach or mountain home to go relax for weeks after the season.

[Saltydog]

All the people advocating to get rid of Gautreau or Cheese just forget it. They're all going to be gone next year anyway and knowing that who in the hell are you gonna get that's worth a damn for a year? We won't find another gem like Parker and Lemo isn't going to just quit either. Why would he? We're in a helluva mess.

[Bdawg]

WE SET ATTENDANCE RECORDS AND HAVE A COOL OUTFIELD-makes us something!


That is a bit of a loaded statement. We are a lot like Auburn in football. We are an attractive job, but not nearly as attractive as our fan base thinks. We are also highly overreactional, myself included.

Y?all two saying we couldn?t hire from better than the likes of these three schools he named? I was drinking, ha, but I stand by my statement. We are better than that.

[Bdawg]

Yep- so awesome we hired Indiana's baseball coach and an LSU asst before that

That?s better than the statement you made and why I disagree with it. I’m also not saying fire Lemonis. I think he did what he was supposed to in order to keep his job. He just has to do more next year and I believe that’s going to be a tall task. He needs to hit on some big time portal players.

[gtowndawg]

I say keep him and use that buyout money for football.

[Santiago]

I'll actually defend Lemo a bit on Gotro. He was considered a great hitting coach when Lemo got here and this board wanted him retained. He's been sub par these past few seasons but this is the first where the performance was bad enough to be fireable. You say that if Gotro is fired it's on Lemo, but I think that's backwards; Lemo gets blame if he DOESNT replace Jake.

As for "what elite hitting coach would come here with a lane duck HC", we said the same thing last year yet we got Parker.

My thing is that IF we can hire an elite PC and hitting coach with a lane duck HC, then we could also hire those elite assistants with a new coach like Haire, so what exactly is Lemo giving us? These commenters are dancing around the fact Lemo is a boat anchor. Yes if we give Lemo great facilities, great fan support, great NIL, enough cash to go hire elite assistants, then Lemo can have us as a top 20 program. But that's true of any HC, and a good HC would take those same inputs and produce a top 10 program.

I agree with this. Those that say give Lemo elite assistants he will be fine, then the same could be said on hiring a guy like the Duke coach or Haire, who have shown they can clearly evaluate and win at schools not known for winning baseball.

For me, I am just over this now with Lemo, and how some go out of their way to defend him.
We are about to have a large rebuild this summer, and that is on Lemo for lazy recruiting and evaluations.

[Santiago]

Let me weigh in on this:

1. You people that want Lemonis fired are cutting off your nose to spite your face. Again- he is a CEO coach who is only as good as his assistants. That's why we magically got better once we fired Foxhall. It's also why we won a title when Foxhall and Gautreau did a good job in 2021. Like I said in the offseason if we get a better pitching coach we would be in the postseason and lo and behold here we are. So that said- imagine what would happen if we had Parker and a better pitching coach? We probably easily host. We can fire Lemonis if we want to. I really don't care. But fixing the problem is a LOT easier than blowing up everything IMO. Baseball is a stats driven sport and looking at our stats much like last year it's again pretty obvious what the problem was and obvious how to fix it.

2. Now how we fix the hitting coach issue is going to be interesting to me because Gautreau should go. He's not as bad as Foxhall but the offense and base running were the major issues this year. And we pay him so much I kind of doubt he is going to find a mid major job unless we just tell him to go find one which isn't out of the realm of possibility. At the very least we need to hire a hitting analyst whether we bring Gautreau back or not. But if it were me I would just fire him and hire Duke's hitting coach and a hitting analyst and forget it. If we hire someone good it will have a similar impact as Parker had on the pitching staff.

3. This season was better but it wasn't up to our standard either. Lemonis will be coming back but I imagine his extension will be minimal. If he doesn't address the hitting it should be even less. We're not coming off of a National Championship so he doesn't have the mulligan to use that he had with Foxhall.

4. If we did fire him Lemonis and hired Haire- we're replacing him with a guy that just missed a regional. We CAN hire someone elite- but that doesn't mean we don't have to handle it properly. The whole reason we ended up with Lemonis is because Cohen botched the search running his mouth.

5. We're going to hit the portal hard this offseason. Get used to it. This is the college baseball era we're living in now. Going to be like this every year now for the foreseeable future. At least we'll be going into this portal season with a legit pitching coach and a regional appearance. Word on the street is we're already being pretty active and there is some return interest. Odds are we will be fine. Getting a better hitting coach and let's roll. And don't give me this "well we suck in the portal" bullshit because Braden Montgomery's Mom and Dad wanted him close to home. Khal Stephen, Nate Dohm, Tyler Davis, Conner Hujsack, Logan Kohler, Amani Larry, and Joe Powell disagree with you. I'll believe that Lemonis is in trouble when we crap out in the portal this offseason which doesn't seem very likely to me. But that won't be known until September.

6. Our expectations should be a SR appearance every year with a ceiling of winning a National Championship. We improved the pitching now all we have to do is improve the hitting and baserunning and we're hosting and we're well on our way. We had what was it? 23 losses and I think something like 10 of those losses were by one run? Fix the hitting and cut that down to five one run losses at least and we're likely a 20 win SEC team getting ready to host a SR.

7. You fans that want to withhold your NIL because you don't like Lemonis are idiots. If Lemonis is as bad as you think he is then he isn't going to put together a good team even with your money. What it does is hurt our chances of replacing him if we have to. So by all means dare Lemonis to win. Because if you're right he won't.

7. Fans have a right to spend their personal money however they determine is best for their situation and recreation. Calling fans names because they do not cult like give their money without question, is going a tad far and condescending.
That is NIL now. You donate but have the right at any time to stop doing it. And you don't owe anyone else an explanation.
And I can say my NIL is now canceled as of today. My choice and I won't judge anyone for giving or not giving. Nor would I call them names on how they choose to give money.
I have the right to choose where funds go, and I really don't care to give money into a sinkhole that has squandered a golden opportunity this year.
I have donated over 500k this year to charities and ministries, and that is far more rewarding that my feeling giving to what I have been looking at on the diamond the past 3 years.

Lemonis has a rebuild....literally 3 years after winning a national championship when instead he should be hauling in recruits, with needed portal players sprinkled in.
I hoped the guy would succeed. He was a former hitting coach and considered an elite recruiter. That is what we heard since he was hired, until after the losing seasons he was branded as the CEO coach.
This is his team, and a roster molded to his vision and mindset. I get he inherited a hitting coach, but this is still his team, and his overall decision making.

[StarkVegasSteve]

7. Fans have a right to spend their personal money however they determine is best for their situation and recreation. Calling fans names because they do not cult like give their money without question, is going a tad far and condescending.
That is NIL now. You donate but have the right at any time to stop doing it. And you don't owe anyone else an explanation.
And I can say my NIL is now canceled as of today. My choice and I won't judge anyone for giving or not giving. Nor would I call them names on how they choose to give money.
I have the right to choose where funds go, and I really don't care to give money into a sinkhole that has squandered a golden opportunity this year.

Lemonis has a rebuild....literally 3 years after winning a national championship when instead he should be hauling in recruits, with needed portal players sprinkled in.
I hoped the guy would succeed. He was a former hitting coach and considered an elite recruiter. That is what we heard since he was hired, until after the losing seasons he was branded as the CEO coach.
This is his team, and a roster molded to his vision and mindset. I get he inherited a hitting coach, but this is still his team, and his overall decision making.

Then don?t bitch. If you are not part of the solution you are part of the problem. It is that simple at this point. This is the way college sports is now. If you do not like it then go support Delta State. I have been as diplomatic as I can be on this. If you wanna complain then put your money where your mouth is. If you want to be better then there is a way to do it. LSU figured it out pretty easily and I did not cost as much as people think. No one is telling you how to spend your money. They are telling you that spending money is the way to get better. You don?t have to do it, but if you don?t you will lose.

[Santiago]

Then don?t bitch. If you are not part of the solution you are part of the problem. It is that simple at this point. This is the way college sports is now. If you do not like it then go support Delta State. I have been as diplomatic as I can be on this. If you wanna complain then put your money where your mouth is. If you want to be better then there is a way to do it. LSU figured it out pretty easily and I did not cost as much as people think. No one is telling you how to spend your money. They are telling you that spending money is the way to get better. You don?t have to do it, but if you don?t you will lose.

I wonder how much those on here actually give and to what amount, for your comment to have validity. So the guy giving $5 can bitch?
It sounds like you are saying if you don't give to NIL, then don't post anything on this site unless it is all positive.

[Santiago]

Then don?t bitch. If you are not part of the solution you are part of the problem. It is that simple at this point. This is the way college sports is now. If you do not like it then go support Delta State. I have been as diplomatic as I can be on this. If you wanna complain then put your money where your mouth is. If you want to be better then there is a way to do it. LSU figured it out pretty easily and I did not cost as much as people think. No one is telling you how to spend your money. They are telling you that spending money is the way to get better. You don?t have to do it, but if you don?t you will lose.

I would agree and disagree that spending money is the way to get better. You also have to make sound decisions, and have strong leadership. That has been my point, that I don't see it on the baseball side of things.
So no, I do not think blindly throwing money to NIL when we are trending in the wrong direction is the way to go.

And it is really a bad mindset to tell MSU alumni if they are not donating to NIL then they cannot voice concerns on decision making and leadership of their university athletic programs? Is that something new now ?

What percent of a voice do you get with each $50 donation? Is that how it is weighted? What if you donate to the academic side instead, do you get to be on a message board and voice concerns?

[maroonmania]

All a regional final means is that you didnt win the regional. Nobody hangs banners for regional final appearances.

All we proved in the regional is that we were better than the regional team from the Big East. Would have felt better about it if we could have beaten VA once. I mean they were supposed to be a weak pitching team but we could only manage 6 runs in 18 innings on them off 2 HRs and one gift run from an errant pick off throw at 2nd base.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I wonder how much those on here actually give and to what amount, for your comment to have validity. So the guy giving $5 can bitch?
It sounds like you are saying if you don't give to NIL, then don't post anything on this site unless it is all positive.

No. You can complain. It's just coming from a place of not doing anything. If you give $5 then by all means complain. That $5 could've been the difference in getting an impact player. That is why I was so on board with ScoobaDawg and his NIL proposal for the board.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I would agree and disagree that spending money is the way to get better. You also have to make sound decisions, and have strong leadership. That has been my point, that I don't see it on the baseball side of things.
So no, I do not think blindly throwing money to NIL when we are trending in the wrong direction is the way to go.

And it is really a bad mindset to tell MSU alumni if they are not donating to NIL then they cannot voice concerns on decision making and leadership of their university athletic programs? Is that something new now ?

What percent of a voice do you get with each $50 donation? Is that how it is weighted? What if you donate to the academic side instead, do you get to be on a message board and voice concerns?

Again, you may not get a huge voice, but you're doing SOMETHING. If a bunch of people would do a little it would help a lot.

[SilentSteel16]

They do? Where? All I saw was CWS appearances.

Yes in right center they have NCAA postseason appearances and almost every year listed with exceptions of a few years. It is over 30 years listed. Looks impressive.

[Santiago]

Again, you may not get a huge voice, but you're doing SOMETHING. If a bunch of people would do a little it would help a lot.

I just think we tread carefully slinging out to fans if they don't give to NIL then don't get a voice for criticism. IF anything you will create a deeper divide and isolate potential donors in the future.
Those are lazy, easy comments on message boards, and calling other people names for just saying why they have hesitation on donating to an NIL with current leadership.

I do think if we have a "CEO coach" then he needs to have those same CEO skills of generating confidence and funds from the base. Seems we give him an excuse saying he is CEO and it is all on the assistants, but we don't hold this CEO accountable for the overall trend of the business and the roster he has evaluated.

Base running, and just baseball IQ, seems to be the result of a hands off HC.

[SilentSteel16]

What is truly sad. USM is getting it done with way far less. You can?t tell me they have as much NIL monies, damn sure don?t have same facilities and don?t have same fan base. But yet one of their best coaches retires and his assistant takes over and they don?t miss a beat. Make regionals make super regionals and while we are all patting our coach on the back for just making it to a regional and look like dog poop getting there and look like crap at regional.

Geesh let a program in our state that has a fraction of our resources have winning records and make regionals. That?s just absolutely sad.

One major overlooked component there is that they won what 43 games? State some how many? 40?? With arguably a 3x harder schedule. You can?t compare USM and State. The metrics don?t match, I do believe we play them every year and win just about every one. If State was in a conference like USM, State would be in conversations in every sport due to the easier scedule and the sheer possibility of being the conference champs in dang near every sport, which as we all know is almost an automatic qualifier in every sport.

So again, State and USM are not even remotely comparable, swap those two teams and their scedule and I bet you every thing I have that USM would NOT have won over 25 games.

[Todd4State]

You did not even attempt to answer my question. Again, even as a CEO coach, what is Lemonis bringing to the table?

He brings stability. Which is what he brought when we hired him and went to Omaha and won a NC. A lot of coaches would have Joe Moorheaded it. He didn't. And when things hit the fan he fired his friend and hired an elite pitching coach despite our fans claiming "who would want to coach for a lame duck". That tells me he can analyze problems and sees them and is willing to change them. That's why we went from 13th in the SEC to 5th. So he has shown that he can attract elite assistant coaches. And before you say anything about Gautreau- he wasn't hired by Lemonis. OUR people encouraged him to keep Jake.

And he has recruited well. We have four players that made MLB.com's list of top 200 prospects and two have a legit chance at being first round picks. They were recruited by Lemonis- not Cann, not Cohen. And before you say "well they underachieved while they were here"- one just hit 20 home runs this year as a draft eligible sophomore, the other emerged as ace 2 and is a draft eligible sophomore, one is in the top 10 in school history for home runs in a career here, and the fourth had a sub ERA of 2 before going down with injury and would have been our ace. It also didn't include Khal Stephen, Mershon, or Hujsack. Or Highfill who was hurt this year and would have been better than Long and Powell and probably would have busted out this year too. People bitch about our recruiting but we just had a team that had a ton of injuries finish 5th in the SEC despite losing our ace, catcher, and projected SS and win 40 games. That doesn't happen if your head coach sucks.

[maroonmania]

The only thing he hasn't done is land a Braden Montgomery type. But we at least meet needs. Since the end of 2022 I can't think of any hole we haven't been able to fill through the portal at least adequately.

Well, if we can't get at least a couple of Braden Montgomery types out of the portal this time around next season will be painful. We came into this year knowing that DJ, Hines, Dohm and Loo and even Mershon were guys that were difference makers that we could build around. We don't have ANY guys that we know that will be back next year that we can build around. Pending what we do in the portal, next year will be the weakest MSU baseball team in terms of proven players that I can remember since maybe the very early Cohen days taking over a barren roster from Polk. Our roster going into next year is a mess and if Lemonis gets us back to postseason next season it will be quite the feat.

[CaptainObvious]

He needs a 2 year contract with a 1 year salary buyout clause. If he gets State to a host and a Super next year, fine! Extend him 2 more years to 2028. But also fine him $25,000 for every Quad 4 loss.

[DownwardDawg]

I just read his post game comments about the pitching decision in the 9th. He seemed lost.

[smootness]

He brings stability. Which is what he brought when we hired him and went to Omaha and won a NC. A lot of coaches would have Joe Moorheaded it. He didn't. And when things hit the fan he fired his friend and hired an elite pitching coach despite our fans claiming "who would want to coach for a lame duck". That tells me he can analyze problems and sees them and is willing to change them. That's why we went from 13th in the SEC to 5th. So he has shown that he can attract elite assistant coaches. And before you say anything about Gautreau- he wasn't hired by Lemonis. OUR people encouraged him to keep Jake.

And he has recruited well. We have four players that made MLB.com's list of top 200 prospects and two have a legit chance at being first round picks. They were recruited by Lemonis- not Cann, not Cohen. And before you say "well they underachieved while they were here"- one just hit 20 home runs this year as a draft eligible sophomore, the other emerged as ace 2 and is a draft eligible sophomore, one is in the top 10 in school history for home runs in a career here, and the fourth had a sub ERA of 2 before going down with injury and would have been our ace. It also didn't include Khal Stephen, Mershon, or Hujsack. Or Highfill who was hurt this year and would have been better than Long and Powell and probably would have busted out this year too. People bitch about our recruiting but we just had a team that had a ton of injuries finish 5th in the SEC despite losing our ace, catcher, and projected SS and win 40 games. That doesn't happen if your head coach sucks.

So you claim his recruiting has been good based on the top few guys and finishing 5th this year. Does that mean his recruiting for the teams the prior 2 years was terrible? This year was not a good year by State baseball standards. It was fine, ok, not good. And stability is all well and good when things have been built up. But as a result of his poor management of the program, we now require another build. We have not maintained, so he either did not ultimately bring the stability you think or he can captain a built ship but is unable to build and renew.

I just do not see what he brings to the table that 40 other coaches would not, especially given your own claim that he needs great assistants to have success. Any coach with great assistants should have success.

[smootness]

Yes in right center they have NCAA postseason appearances and almost every year listed with exceptions of a few years. It is over 30 years listed. Looks impressive.

Listing postseason appearances is in no way the same as specifically highlighting made-up regional finals.

[MrCoachKlein]

This is very spot on- and also we have the added problem of being in Mississippi. That alone eliminates 25% of your candidates

This is a statement I keep hearing, but I don't get it. Yeah if my family wasn't here I'd pick Alaska, Montana, Idaho or Wyoming. I think a lot of coaches would be attracted to not being in a huge city (or at least 50/50).

[schddog72]

You fire him after a Regional Final and your choices will be the coach from Miss Delta CC, Sewanee, or Louisiana College

Well, USCe pulled the trigger, and I'll bet they end up with a heckuva lot better than Miss Delta CC, Sewanee, or Louisiana College. The Cocks got cajones, I'll give them that. Sucks that we don't . . . . . . .

[schddog72]

This is going to piss people off, but it's true. You can't fire him after this season.

You can't?? See: USCe. . . . .

[Coach34]

Well, USCe pulled the trigger, and I'll bet they end up with a heckuva lot better than Miss Delta CC, Sewanee, or Louisiana College. The Cocks got cajones, I'll give them that. Sucks that we don't . . . . . . .

once aGAIN:

1. SC didnt make a Regional Final this season
2. Their coach has a losing SEC record over 6 years
3. Never made Omaha
4. Never won the East

Their coach doesnt compare to Lemon and his 2 CWS and Natty

[StarkVegasSteve]

This is a statement I keep hearing, but I don't get it. Yeah if my family wasn't here I'd pick Alaska, Montana, Idaho or Wyoming. I think a lot of coaches would be attracted to not being in a huge city (or at least 50/50).

So I don't know where you live so this may not apply to you, but Mississippians have an inflated view of Mississippi. They don't understand why everyone doesn't want to live there. However, population numbers suggest that not many people want to live there and more people are moving out than moving in. And I lived in Mississippi for 27 years and it's a nice place to live. However, I live in Dallas now and the only place I'd leave Dallas for that's in Mississippi MIGHT, and it's a big might, be Madison.

I think coaches want to be where the athletes are. And MS has a few good athletes, but most are going to be in the metro areas. Atlanta, DFW, Charlotte, etc. You want to be around those areas. Starkville is 8 hrs from Dallas, 5 hours from Atlanta, and really far away from Charlotte.

[Todd4State]

So you claim his recruiting has been good based on the top few guys and finishing 5th this year. Does that mean his recruiting for the teams the prior 2 years was terrible? This year was not a good year by State baseball standards. It was fine, ok, not good. And stability is all well and good when things have been built up. But as a result of his poor management of the program, we now require another build. We have not maintained, so he either did not ultimately bring the stability you think or he can captain a built ship but is unable to build and renew.

I just do not see what he brings to the table that 40 other coaches would not, especially given your own claim that he needs great assistants to have success. Any coach with great assistants should have success.

No that means we had a major pitching coach problem and not a recruiting problem. A problem which he fixed by the way.

How do I know that? Because of guys like Cade Smith and KC Hunt who were here last year performing well in the minors almost immediately after they left here. And that's just two- I could list Cerentola, Fristoe, and Andrew Walling. Not to mention the improvement of almost every pitcher on staff this year.

Players and teams are going to cycle out no matter who the head coach is. And yet the vast majority of the time we find new players who keep things rolling along.

[Todd4State]

So I don't know where you live so this may not apply to you, but Mississippians have an inflated view of Mississippi. They don't understand why everyone doesn't want to live there. However, population numbers suggest that not many people want to live there and more people are moving out than moving in. And I lived in Mississippi for 27 years and it's a nice place to live. However, I live in Dallas now and the only place I'd leave Dallas for that's in Mississippi MIGHT, and it's a big might, be Madison.

I think coaches want to be where the athletes are. And MS has a few good athletes, but most are going to be in the metro areas. Atlanta, DFW, Charlotte, etc. You want to be around those areas. Starkville is 8 hrs from Dallas, 5 hours from Atlanta, and really far away from Charlotte.

I'm not really too worried about Mississippi as far as hiring baseball coaches. Especially with airplanes being a thing if they really want to be somewhere else in their free time. There aren't really very many if any college baseball towns like Starkville. Not to mention the pay and resources.

[Homedawg]

No that means we had a major pitching coach problem and not a recruiting problem. A problem which he fixed by the way.

How do I know that? Because of guys like Cade Smith and KC Hunt who were here last year performing well in the minors almost immediately after they left here. And that's just two- I could list Cerentola, Fristoe, and Andrew Walling. Not to mention the improvement of almost every pitcher on staff this year.

Players and teams are going to cycle out no matter who the head coach is. And yet the vast majority of the time we find new players who keep things rolling along.

Walling and Fristoe still cant throw strikes. But yes, parker is an upgrade..

[SilentSteel16]

Listing postseason appearances is in no way the same as specifically highlighting made-up regional finals.

What are you talking about? I said they put regionals on their walls. Said nothing about where they placed in said regionals

[StarkVegasSteve]

I'm not really too worried about Mississippi as far as hiring baseball coaches. Especially with airplanes being a thing if they really want to be somewhere else in their free time. There aren't really very many if any college baseball towns like Starkville. Not to mention the pay and resources.

The big programs all pay the same and they all have the same resources at this point. Having a good fanbase is both a positive and a negative so it kind of cancels itself out.

[Apoplectic]

We hired our 8th choice when we hired him. Some of you are insane about who we can hire. Remember that sitting HC we were gonna hire in football?

Baseball coaches dont move around. Thats why all these coaches stay places 20 years. Nobody is coming to coach at a place that fired their coach after a Regional Final

ridiculous- coaches at this level are narcissistic arrogant aholes. you pay him $10 more than he?s making now and he?ll be here asap

[Coach34]

ridiculous- coaches at this level are narcissistic arrogant aholes. you pay him $10 more than he?s making now and he?ll be here asap

I know a little bit about coaches. You’re statement is incorrect

[DownwardDawg]

So I don't know where you live so this may not apply to you, but Mississippians have an inflated view of Mississippi. They don't understand why everyone doesn't want to live there. However, population numbers suggest that not many people want to live there and more people are moving out than moving in. And I lived in Mississippi for 27 years and it's a nice place to live. However, I live in Dallas now and the only place I'd leave Dallas for that's in Mississippi MIGHT, and it's a big might, be Madison.

I think coaches want to be where the athletes are. And MS has a few good athletes, but most are going to be in the metro areas. Atlanta, DFW, Charlotte, etc. You want to be around those areas. Starkville is 8 hrs from Dallas, 5 hours from Atlanta, and really far away from Charlotte.
I definitely understand that first paragraph.

[Todd4State]

The big programs all pay the same and they all have the same resources at this point. Having a good fanbase is both a positive and a negative so it kind of cancels itself out.

I disagree. Players want to play in front of people.

[Homedawg]

I disagree. Players want to play in front of people.

If they all did vandy would never have gotten a player. Nor uga auburn etc. lsu ark us ole miss Texas and A&M would have them all

[Bothrops]

Good lord what a terrible thread.

[smootness]

What are you talking about? I said they put regionals on their walls. Said nothing about where they placed in said regionals

The post you responded to was specifically talking about regional ?finals? because it is a made-up thing. Yes, teams claim regional appearances, SR appearances, CWS appearances, and championships. No one has ever said anything about regional finals until C34 trying to invent new things we accomplished this year. It is no better than NITChampsburg or OM hanging Co-West champs banners.

[smootness]

once aGAIN:

1. SC didnt make a Regional Final this season
2. Their coach has a losing SEC record over 6 years
3. Never made Omaha
4. Never won the East

Their coach doesnt compare to Lemon and his 2 CWS and Natty

Two of those 4 are just made up achievements.

[basedog]

I disagree. Players want to play in front of people.

Hell yes!

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

once aGAIN:

1. SC didnt make a Regional Final this season
2. Their coach has a losing SEC record over 6 years
3. Never made Omaha
4. Never won the East

Their coach doesnt compare to Lemon and his 2 CWS and Natty

YOu make up the most random "standards" ever.

Last 6 years? What the hell kind of ridiculous cherry picked time frame is that? Lets look at the last 3: Kingston went 42-47, made 1 Super, 1 regional as a 2 seed. Lemo went 35-55, made 1 regional as a 2 seed.

THAT is the recent -and thus relevant- history.

[Coach34]

Two of those 4 are just made up achievements.

Well they aren’t but whatever.

aGAIN- fire him!!!!!!!! Please!!!!! I couldn’t wait to see the ensuing circus. And then the aftermath when we hire Ok State’s hitting coach taking about how “yeah we did great. This guy was our 1st choice all the way”

[Coach34]

YOu make up the most random "standards" ever.

Last 6 years? What the hell kind of ridiculous cherry picked time frame is that? Lets look at the last 3: Kingston went 42-47, made 1 Super, 1 regional as a 2 seed. Lemo went 35-55, made 1 regional as a 2 seed.

THAT is the recent -and thus relevant- history.

Lmao- 6 years is “cherry-picking”?????

It was his ENTIRE tenure at SC. It’s his ******* record dude. That’s not cherry-picking. That’s who that guy is

[SPMT]

Hell yes!

I just asked some high school kids. They most definitely want to play in a big venue.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Lmao- 6 years is “cherry-picking”?????

It was his ENTIRE tenure at SC. It’s his ******* record dude. That’s not cherry-picking. That’s who that guy is

Those first years were with other coaches players. You know that. Past 3 seasons, Kingston has had better success than Lemo. That's a FACT! YOu can pretend ancient history matters but we all know it's the past few that indicates far more of a who a coach is today

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Well they aren’t but whatever.

aGAIN- fire him!!!!!!!! Please!!!!! I couldn’t wait to see the ensuing circus. And then the aftermath when we hire Ok State’s hitting coach taking about how “yeah we did great. This guy was our 1st choice all the way”

Let's look at recent SEC hires. TN hired Arky hitting coach, worked out well for them. UGA hired LSU's pitching coach, working out well for them. LSU hired a sitting HC with Omaha history. A&M hired a sitting head coach with Omaha history. Alabama hired a sitting head coach and he got them into the tournament as a 2 seed in his first year. Kentucky hired our hitting coach, worked out well for them. Auburn hired out pitching coach, he's done very well for them considering their history and lack of investment in that sport.

If you think a hitting coach can't be a great hire, then you're ignorant of baseball. And if you think all these other teams can get good coaches but we can't, then you're the one who irrationally thinks too little of us

[State82]

Let's look at recent SEC hires. TN hired Arky hitting coach, worked out well for them. UGA hired LSU's pitching coach, working out well for them. LSU hired a sitting HC with Omaha history. A&M hired a sitting head coach with Omaha history. Alabama hired a sitting head coach and he got them into the tournament as a 2 seed in his first year. Kentucky hired our hitting coach, worked out well for them. Auburn hired out pitching coach, he's done very well for them considering their history and lack of investment in that sport.

If you think a hitting coach can't be a great hire, then you're ignorant of baseball. And if you think all these other teams can get good coaches but we can't, then you're the one who irrationally thinks too little of us
And, all of those you just listed with the exception of LSU could not give two flips about baseball. Until they had some success with these new skippers.

[BuckyIsAB****]

We went from a natty to being proud of a ReGionaL FInal and 40 win regular seasons haha

[BuckyIsAB****]

Regional finals are not a thing. Stop it. Get some help

[Bdawg]

Regional finals are not a thing. Stop it. Get some help

It just means you lost it

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Regional finals are not a thing. Stop it. Get some help

"field of 32" he calls it lol. Basically, he's rewarding Lemo for playing Auger vs St Johns to get the W when the better move to win the regional was to throw Pico.

At the beginning of the season C34 was saying we were going to be top 5 among college teams in drafted guys this year. SO he wasn't us to praise Lemo for bringing in top 5 talent, but also praise Lemo for making the field of 32? What? Sounds like Lemo criminally under performed his talent. The reality is that Lemo dis bring in some top talent -just like Cohen and Cann before him- BUT he also misevaluates a ton of players and we wind up with roster holes that drag the overall team talent average down. We've got a 2B, 3B, and LF that couldn't start for any other SECW team dragging down the offensive talent average

[Todd4State]

Let's look at recent SEC hires. TN hired Arky hitting coach, worked out well for them. UGA hired LSU's pitching coach, working out well for them. LSU hired a sitting HC with Omaha history. A&M hired a sitting head coach with Omaha history. Alabama hired a sitting head coach and he got them into the tournament as a 2 seed in his first year. Kentucky hired our hitting coach, worked out well for them. Auburn hired out pitching coach, he's done very well for them considering their history and lack of investment in that sport.

If you think a hitting coach can't be a great hire, then you're ignorant of baseball. And if you think all these other teams can get good coaches but we can't, then you're the one who irrationally thinks too little of us

So, you think we should fire Lemonis to hire someone's hitting coach?

Lemonis had a better resume' than that when we hired him.

[Quaoarsking]

Recruiting isn't really a weakness of Lemonis, but then again recruiting is just NIL/$$ these days, except for a few elite prospects. However he's substandard in many other aspects of the job.

[Coach34]

Regional finals are not a thing. Stop it. Get some help

I promise you they are among the decision-makers

[Todd4State]

Recruiting isn't really a weakness of Lemonis, but then again recruiting is just NIL/$$ these days, except for a few elite prospects. However he's substandard in many other aspects of the job.

If he addresses hitting like he did hitting and defense this season I'm OK with that.

That's part of my issue with our fans. They see something going wrong and just automatically want to fire Lemonis I guess because he isn't emotional enough when something goes wrong for our fans.

The reality is some things can be addressed in season and some things have to be addressed in the offseason. I'm sure Gautreau tried to fix the hitting but it didn't work for whatever reason and now we have to address it in the offseason. Same as pitching last year.

But our fans for some reason don't trust Lemonis to fix it even though he fixed the pitching and defense this year.

It would be like MSU firing Dan Mullen because of Peter Sirmon. Which wouldn't have made sense either.

[SPMT]

If he addresses hitting like he did hitting and defense this season I'm OK with that.

That's part of my issue with our fans. They see something going wrong and just automatically want to fire Lemonis I guess because he isn't emotional enough when something goes wrong for our fans.

The reality is some things can be addressed in season and some things have to be addressed in the offseason. I'm sure Gautreau tried to fix the hitting but it didn't work for whatever reason and now we have to address it in the offseason. Same as pitching last year.

But our fans for some reason don't trust Lemonis to fix it even though he fixed the pitching and defense this year.

It would be like MSU firing Dan Mullen because of Peter Sirmon. Which wouldn't have made sense either.

True

[Mjoelner34]

If he addresses hitting like he did hitting and defense this season I'm OK with that.

That's part of my issue with our fans. They see something going wrong and just automatically want to fire Lemonis I guess because he isn't emotional enough when something goes wrong for our fans.

The reality is some things can be addressed in season and some things have to be addressed in the offseason. I'm sure Gautreau tried to fix the hitting but it didn't work for whatever reason and now we have to address it in the offseason. Same as pitching last year.

But our fans for some reason don't trust Lemonis to fix it even though he fixed the pitching and defense this year.

It would be like MSU firing Dan Mullen because of Peter Sirmon. Which wouldn't have made sense either.

I think the pitching improvement also helped a lot with defense. When you aren't walking and hitting batters left and right, the infielders tend to stay on their toes and be more alert.

[Coach34]

Those first years were with other coaches players.

As was Lemon’s. Why is his different?

[Santiago]

If he addresses hitting like he did hitting and defense this season I'm OK with that.

That's part of my issue with our fans. They see something going wrong and just automatically want to fire Lemonis I guess because he isn't emotional enough when something goes wrong for our fans.

The reality is some things can be addressed in season and some things have to be addressed in the offseason. I'm sure Gautreau tried to fix the hitting but it didn't work for whatever reason and now we have to address it in the offseason. Same as pitching last year.

But our fans for some reason don't trust Lemonis to fix it even though he fixed the pitching and defense this year.

It would be like MSU firing Dan Mullen because of Peter Sirmon. Which wouldn't have made sense either.

"seeing something wrong and just automatically want to fire Lemonis". I hear you, but that comment would have applied in 2022 if you want to label fans as seeing something wrong and jumping the gun.
It is going into year 4, and now a rebuild.
I don't care either way at this point, but you seem to lump "our fans" into one group think.

Lemonis did not fix pitching. Parker fixed pitching. To me that is like saying we should give accolades to or AD because he wrote the check to hire Parker.

[Todd4State]

I think the pitching improvement also helped a lot with defense. When you aren't walking and hitting batters left and right, the infielders tend to stay on their toes and be more alert.

Absolutely true that better pitching helps fielding. We also upgraded our players and Hines improved defensively as well. It's a combination of things.

[Todd4State]

"seeing something wrong and just automatically want to fire Lemonis". I hear you, but that comment would have applied in 2022 if you want to label fans as seeing something wrong and jumping the gun.
It is going into year 4, and now a rebuild.
I don't care either way at this point, but you seem to lump "our fans" into one group think.

Lemonis did not fix pitching. Parker fixed pitching. To me that is like saying we should give accolades to or AD because he wrote the check to hire Parker.

We just won 40 games, 17 SEC games and probably should have hosted a regional. If this is a rebuild sign me up.

Parker did fix the pitching. But who identified and hired him away from another legit SEC program? And did so coming off of two miserable seasons? That's not easy for a "lame duck" (our fans words) coach to do.

It's not all of our fans that say ridiculous knee jerk things. But the ones that do tend to be very vocal. And have a football mentality that doesn't really translate to baseball but you can't tell them that because "by gosh we fired Moorhead and Arnett". And then they come back with "I just have higher standards than you" like all of us don't want to be a dynasty like LSU in the 90's.

[basedog]

We just won 40 games, 17 SEC games and probably should have hosted a regional. If this is a rebuild sign me up.

Parker did fix the pitching. But who identified and hired him away from another legit SEC program? And did so coming off of two miserable seasons? That's not easy for a "lame duck" (our fans words) coach to do.

It's not all of our fans that say ridiculous knee jerk things. But the ones that do tend to be very vocal. And have a football mentality that doesn't really translate to baseball but you can't tell them that because "by gosh we fired Moorhead and Arnett". And then they come back with "I just have higher standards than you" like all of us don't want to be a dynasty like LSU in the 90's.

It's a message board, fans on both sides of the fence now days have crazy thoughts and post. I don't get the "I'm right and you guys are wrong" with either side. The ones that "may" be right or just as ridiculous. It is getting harder to read message boards. sports and politics have gotten crazy with the left and right. Hey I'm guilty as well, I'm just spicy nicer, LOL

[Santiago]

We just won 40 games, 17 SEC games and probably should have hosted a regional. If this is a rebuild sign me up.

Parker did fix the pitching. But who identified and hired him away from another legit SEC program? And did so coming off of two miserable seasons? That's not easy for a "lame duck" (our fans words) coach to do.

It's not all of our fans that say ridiculous knee jerk things. But the ones that do tend to be very vocal. And have a football mentality that doesn't really translate to baseball but you can't tell them that because "by gosh we fired Moorhead and Arnett". And then they come back with "I just have higher standards than you" like all of us don't want to be a dynasty like LSU in the 90's.

You know i was referring to this coming off season about the rebuild.
I really don't know what "fans" say. I am not in an area of MSU fans to really hear these you talk about, other than a few message board posters, but I can imagine you guys do hear in volume some of those type of comments if you are in MSU areas

[Cooterpoot]

I'll be honest, I'm not going to worry about Lemonis. He'll sink or swim at some point like every coach. He's not getting fired this year. Unless he leaves nothing is changing staff wise.
Move on to football and let's see if we can get it moving forward in the new football world.

[BuckyIsAB****]

I promise you they are among the decision-makers

please dont go around talking about regional finals.. Id hate for someone to think less of you

[RockyDog]

If he addresses hitting like he did hitting and defense this season I'm OK with that.

That's part of my issue with our fans. They see something going wrong and just automatically want to fire Lemonis I guess because he isn't emotional enough when something goes wrong for our fans.

The reality is some things can be addressed in season and some things have to be addressed in the offseason. I'm sure Gautreau tried to fix the hitting but it didn't work for whatever reason and now we have to address it in the offseason. Same as pitching last year.

But our fans for some reason don't trust Lemonis to fix it even though he fixed the pitching and defense this year.

It would be like MSU firing Dan Mullen because of Peter Sirmon. Which wouldn't have made sense either.

Because MSU vocal baseball fans are stupid. See Bucky

[smootness]

No one has to agree on what we should do, there is a case to be made either way. But pretending those wanting Lemonis gone are making a knee-jerk reaction is asinine.

[The Federalist Engineer]

Lemons will be back in 2025

On the bright side Josh Elander, the UTK hitting and Recruiting guy is a top candidate for the USC job. Wonder what does to UTK, if he moves on.

Surely the ugly uniforms and shitty stadium catch up to Tennessee and make them stall.

[CaptainObvious]

Lemons will be back in 2025

On the bright side Josh Elander, the UTK hitting and Recruiting guy is a top candidate for the USC job. Wonder what does to UTK, if he moves on.

Surely the ugly uniforms and shitty stadium catch up to Tennessee and make them stall.

If we are lucky, UT will hire Geautreau as hitting coach and Chesebrough as 3rd base coach. But, alas, I suspect they will just go out and hire the next best hitting coach. And a Lemonis will keep Geautreau and Chese.

[Todd4State]

No one has to agree on what we should do, there is a case to be made either way. But pretending those wanting Lemonis gone are making a knee-jerk reaction is asinine.

It's knee jerk when we have fans that are like "we left the bases loaded- that's why Lemonis is going to get fired." Or "We gave up a couple of runs- why did he put in so and so? That's why Lemonis is going to get fired".

There is no big picture with many of our fans. Some of them decided that they're done with Lemonis so everything that goes wrong is his fault and if something goes right it's someone else that gets the credit. Usually Justin Parker. Who he hired.

And as I've said before those same fans that said that Lemonis could come back if we showed improvement- which we certainly did by any measure you would like to use- immediately go into bitch mode after every loss or set back during the season. First it was "I don't why we brought Lemonis back- we all know what's going to happen" to "Well yeah we look better but let's see what happens when we play SEC teams. LSU is going to kill us and after we start 1-8 Selmon will have to do what needs to be done" to "Ok but we're going to lose everyone next year and 2025 will be his last year". Which is funnier because many of those same people that talk about how Lemonis "can't recruit" and our players "suck" and aren't "SEC caliber" but now we're lamenting that they're going to leave? How does that even work? If the player's suck then Lemonis must be able to coach. But then if the players are good- then they must not suck and that means that Lemonis can recruit. They can't even make up their own mind. But best fans in college baseball right?**

[Todd4State]

Lemons will be back in 2025

On the bright side Josh Elander, the UTK hitting and Recruiting guy is a top candidate for the USC job. Wonder what does to UTK, if he moves on.

Surely the ugly uniforms and shitty stadium catch up to Tennessee and make them stall.


If we are lucky, UT will hire Geautreau as hitting coach and Chesebrough as 3rd base coach. But, alas, I suspect they will just go out and hire the next best hitting coach. And a Lemonis will keep Geautreau and Chese.

As far as Tennessee goes- it's been my experience as a fan that I have noticed that if you have really good people on staff and they leave it's really hard to replace them. It's really hard to find the "right" people. And maybe Tennessee can replace the guy but it may be difficult.

It sounds like Gautreau is coming back so my focus and hope is on us hiring a hitting analyst being realistic. If we go that direction we can still pull someone like Jon Littell from Austin Peay or Nick Ammirrati from Kentucky and both would be upgrades for our program.

[Homedawg]

It's knee jerk when we have fans that are like "we left the bases loaded- that's why Lemonis is going to get fired." Or "We gave up a couple of runs- why did he put in so and so? That's why Lemonis is going to get fired".

There is no big picture with many of our fans. Some of them decided that they're done with Lemonis so everything that goes wrong is his fault and if something goes right it's someone else that gets the credit. Usually Justin Parker. Who he hired.

And as I've said before those same fans that said that Lemonis could come back if we showed improvement- which we certainly did by any measure you would like to use- immediately go into bitch mode after every loss or set back during the season. First it was "I don't why we brought Lemonis back- we all know what's going to happen" to "Well yeah we look better but let's see what happens when we play SEC teams. LSU is going to kill us and after we start 1-8 Selmon will have to do what needs to be done" to "Ok but we're going to lose everyone next year and 2025 will be his last year". Which is funnier because many of those same people that talk about how Lemonis "can't recruit" and our players "suck" and aren't "SEC caliber" but now we're lamenting that they're going to leave? How does that even work? If the player's suck then Lemonis must be able to coach. But then if the players are good- then they must not suck and that means that Lemonis can recruit. They can't even make up their own mind. But best fans in college baseball right?**

Golf clap!!!!

[Commercecomet24]

It's knee jerk when we have fans that are like "we left the bases loaded- that's why Lemonis is going to get fired." Or "We gave up a couple of runs- why did he put in so and so? That's why Lemonis is going to get fired".

There is no big picture with many of our fans. Some of them decided that they're done with Lemonis so everything that goes wrong is his fault and if something goes right it's someone else that gets the credit. Usually Justin Parker. Who he hired.

And as I've said before those same fans that said that Lemonis could come back if we showed improvement- which we certainly did by any measure you would like to use- immediately go into bitch mode after every loss or set back during the season. First it was "I don't why we brought Lemonis back- we all know what's going to happen" to "Well yeah we look better but let's see what happens when we play SEC teams. LSU is going to kill us and after we start 1-8 Selmon will have to do what needs to be done" to "Ok but we're going to lose everyone next year and 2025 will be his last year". Which is funnier because many of those same people that talk about how Lemonis "can't recruit" and our players "suck" and aren't "SEC caliber" but now we're lamenting that they're going to leave? How does that even work? If the player's suck then Lemonis must be able to coach. But then if the players are good- then they must not suck and that means that Lemonis can recruit. They can't even make up their own mind. But best fans in college baseball right?**

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Todd4State again.

[EdwardDrayton]

But there is big picture with at least some of us. IMHO, there are patterns at the leadership level over the three years that do not support a confidence level going forward. The failures in the regional are not knee jerk reactions, only further examples of those failures over the longer term. Was it better this year? Yes. Was it enough to inspire a confidence level for further improvement? Not from my perspective.

[Coach34]

But there is big picture with at least some of us. IMHO, there are patterns at the leadership level over the three years that do not support a confidence level going forward. The failures in the regional are not knee jerk reactions, only further examples of those failures over the longer term. Was it better this year? Yes. Was it enough to inspire a confidence level for further improvement? Not from my perspective.

We didnt have a closer and that cost us a Host spot and a Regional. Whose fault is that? Parker

Parker failed to identify a guy he could turn into the Closer. We had that guy in Dohm- but decided to make him a SP.

Parker cost us a Host spot and a Regional

[smootness]

We didnt have a closer and that cost us a Host spot and a Regional. Whose fault is that? Parker

Parker failed to identify a guy he could turn into the Closer. We had that guy in Dohm- but decided to make him a SP.

Parker cost us a Host spot and a Regional

Good grief dude

[basedog]

We didnt have a closer and that cost us a Host spot and a Regional. Whose fault is that? Parker

Parker failed to identify a guy he could turn into the Closer. We had that guy in Dohm- but decided to make him a SP.

Parker cost us a Host spot and a Regional

WOW, all I’m gonna say.

[Coach34]

WOW, all I’m gonna say.

Whatttttttt?

Many of you are heaping praise on him for what he did with our guys headed for the draft- can we not talk about where he failed? The guy did a very good job this season- but he wasnt perfect.

Didnt develop a reliable Closer
Struggled to develop some of the other pitchers on our staff
Pitched CamOpener wayyy more than he should have
Put Freshman Stevens is pressure situations he wasnt ready for

and I could add some more but no need. Lemon is returning as is Parker. Let's get busy getting this roster ready for 2025

[Cooterpoot]

Lemonis is the definition of an average coach. He's run out of talent now, so we'll see if he can build a program up. He's yet to prove he can win with his recruits and most of his best recruits are gone now too. Can he go big in the portal? So far he hasn't but he hasn't completely missed either. He's slow to make a change but Parker was a good hire. Can he do it with a hitting coach if he needs to? Can fundamentals improve? Have my doubts. I'm betting we're back this time next year bitching about missing out on a regional, not hosting, or being eliminated early.

[Cooterpoot]

Whatttttttt?

Many of you are heaping praise on him for what he did with our guys headed for the draft- can we not talk about where he failed? The guy did a very good job this season- but he wasnt perfect.

Didnt develop a reliable Closer
Struggled to develop some of the other pitchers on our staff
Pitched CamOpener wayyy more than he should have
Put Freshman Stevens is pressure situations he wasnt ready for

and I could add some more but no need. Lemon is returning as is Parker. Let's get busy getting this roster ready for 2025

There wasn't a closer on this roster after injuries and you can't make silk from a sows ear. We saw Hardin and Davis improve. We saw Loo improve. We saw Stephen improve. We saw Auger improve. We totally lacked quality depth. Two dead weight guys are gone. I suspect another and possibly two more will go too.

[Coach34]

Lemonis is the definition of an average coach. He's run out of talent now, so we'll see if he can build a program up. He's yet to prove he can win with his recruits and most of his best recruits are gone now too. Can he go big in the portal? So far he hasn't but he hasn't completely missed either. He's slow to make a change but Parker was a good hire. Can he do it with a hitting coach if he needs to? Can fundamentals improve? Have my doubts. I'm betting we're back this time next year bitching about missing out on a regional, not hosting, or being eliminated early.

We're signing the Alabama Gatorade POY that is a damn player. He is still Crootin.

[Cooterpoot]

We're signing the Alabama Gatorade POY that is a damn player. He is still Crootin.

We sign this every year. That's not a real indicator of a great player if you look around. We've had a few disappear on campus. Hes not projected to go high in the draft like Griffin. It's like when guys like Ty Keyes win it in football. He comes from a solid program but so odd the kid from LA we got a couple years ago and he was gone fast.