Baseball Recruiting

[Pinto]

Why is it the State coaches wouldn?t even talk to this kid? I?m not saying offer, just be sure to talk to him. They wouldn?t even do that. He?s a Mershon type and goodness knows we need more of them.

https://mississippitoday.org/2024/05/22/believe-it-or-not-ripleys-ty-long-spins-a-three-hit-gem-at-sumrall/

[Brobi-wan]

Why is it the State coaches wouldn?t even talk to this kid? I?m not saying offer, just be sure to talk to him. They wouldn?t even do that. He?s a Mershon type and goodness knows we need more of them.

https://mississippitoday.org/2024/05/22/believe-it-or-not-ripleys-ty-long-spins-a-three-hit-gem-at-sumrall/

Maybe his velo isn’t high enough? Who knows. Ross Mitchell had success with a slow FB and Schuelke does okay without one.

[Tbonewannabe]

Maybe his velo isn’t high enough? Who knows. Ross Mitchell had success with a slow FB and Schuelke does okay without one.

Ross Mitchell was dominant in the dead ball era and was bad once they changed the ball.

[Johnson85]

Maybe his velo isn’t high enough? Who knows. Ross Mitchell had success with a slow FB and Schuelke does okay without one.

Mitchell got to pitch with a different ball. He wasn't the same when the ball was changed.

According to the link below, Long's fastball is in the upper 80's and off speed stuff is in the lower 70's. I guess that's a little low for the SEC these days? Seems like if he has good movement that would generate some interest.

https://www.prepbaseballreport.com/profiles/MS/Ty-Long-8406951723#:~:text=8%2C%2085%2D87%20mph.

[Leeshouldveflanked]

Mitchell got to pitch with a different ball. He wasn't the same when the ball was changed.

According to the link below, Long's fastball is in the upper 80's and off speed stuff is in the lower 70's. I guess that's a little low for the SEC these days? Seems like if he has good movement that would generate some interest.

https://www.prepbaseballreport.com/profiles/MS/Ty-Long-8406951723#:~:text=8%2C%2085%2D87%20mph.
Nah thats plenty fast enough. Not to mention he will pick up velocity once he does some college strength and conditioning. We only have a commitment from one of the Mississippi Dandy Dozen Baseball players this year. Ole Miss signed 3, USM signed 2, Texas, Baylor, LSU, Alabama, Tulane and Auburn signed one just like us.

[HoopsDawg]

Nah thats plenty fast enough. Not to mention he will pick up velocity once he does some college strength and conditioning. We only have a commitment from one of the Mississippi Dandy Dozen Baseball players this year. Ole Miss signed 3, USM signed 2, Texas, Baylor, LSU, Alabama, Tulane and Auburn signed one just like us.

Upper 80s is fine for a lefty. Ty is a righty. Great high school pitcher though.

[TStationDawg]

Upper 80s is fine for a lefty. Ty is a righty. Great high school pitcher though.

His velo even as RH is plenty fast. The kid tops out at 91 as senior and by the looks of him (haven't seen him live) I would bet he's got more in the tank. He'll probably be mid 90s by his JR year if not sooner. To answer the OP, I have NO idea what we're looking at in HS kids anymore, especially in pitchers. Maybe his secondary stuff just doesn't play up is all I can guess???? But I've seen some of our out of state commits up close and left the game like "I don't get it" meanwhile another kid dominates the same game that's headed to Lipscomb, Samford or JUCO.

[Homedawg]

This was a down year for instate talent. 25 class instate is way better.

[BigDawg81]

Mitchell got to pitch with a different ball. He wasn't the same when the ball was changed.

According to the link below, Long's fastball is in the upper 80's and off speed stuff is in the lower 70's. I guess that's a little low for the SEC these days? Seems like if he has good movement that would generate some interest.

https://www.prepbaseballreport.com/profiles/MS/Ty-Long-8406951723#:~:text=8%2C%2085%2D87%20mph. Upper 80s is fine. They will get more out of him in college.

[Cooterpoot]

I enjoyed watching in the state championship. But he's a kid that fits great at USM. Odom for Sumrall that's headed to OM has a higher ceiling. Drew Davis is the best of all three. MS produces a lot of kids like Long and USM wins games with them.

[HoopsDawg]

Upper 80s is fine. They will get more out of him in college.

He's a ball player. I hope he does great at USM.

[Homedawg]

Problem w guys like this is, we sign em and they don't. Want to wait and develop and leave. Happened every year. You will see our classes get smaller and smaller and guys like this won't be a part. I'm sure he a good player

[HoopsDawg]

Problem w guys like this is, we sign em and they don't. Want to wait and develop and leave. Happened every year. You will see our classes get smaller and smaller and guys like this won't be a part. I'm sure he a good player

It's already happening. AU plans to sign 5 HS pitchers and 5 HS position players beginning with the 2025 class. Portal for the rest.

[Cooterpoot]

Let the G5 develop them and then NIL'm if they're good.

[HoopsDawg]

Let the G5 develop them and then NIL'm if they're good.

That's it. Sucks for high school kids. And sucks for the G5.

[Todd4State]

Let the G5 develop them and then NIL'm if they're good.

Exactly. If he blows up at USM we can get him in the portal potentially.

If not- no harm no foul.

[ScooterDog]

So, we only signed one Dandy Dozen. That means we didn?t like the other 11, or could not afford the others, or we plan on hitting the portal real hard. We are not going to be in very good shape if we don?t get some portal players. Let?s hope Lemo has some players targeted.

[Cooterpoot]

So, we only signed one Dandy Dozen. That means we didn?t like the other 11, or could not afford the others, or we plan on hitting the portal real hard. We are not going to be in very good shape if we don?t get some portal players. Let?s hope Lemo has some players targeted.

Portal and a weak class in MS and Lemonis recruiting, take your pick

[ScooterDog]

Thanks Cooter. I was hoping for a better response. And that doesn?t help my spirits, Lol. But I guess that?s what it is.

[Todd4State]

So, we only signed one Dandy Dozen. That means we didn?t like the other 11, or could not afford the others, or we plan on hitting the portal real hard. We are not going to be in very good shape if we don?t get some portal players. Let?s hope Lemo has some players targeted.

I think the only one we really recruited somewhat hard was Konnor Griffin. And he is never going to play college baseball.

Maybe Sam Richardson.

This year would be even worse if Griffin didn't re-classify.

[Todd4State]

It's really kind of hard to know what direction college baseball recruiting is going to go in general for everyone.

The only thing anyone knows is it's going to be very different in the next 2-3 years. No one knows what the roster sizes are going to be even. I've heard everything from 30 to 40. The 11.7 rule is going to go away and for us it's really not even a thing anymore. I'm sure we dole it out to make the NCAA happy but then fill in the gaps with NIL. Odds are we are going to see full scholarships to match whatever roster size they decide on. That's going to give our NIL even more power.

You also have more prospects going to college now for a variety of reasons. Unless you are a prospect like a Konnor Griffin and a sure fire first round draft pick the odds of an elite player going to school are higher than ever before. We saw that with our last class with Dylan Cupp and Makhai Grant who are two guys that I was told would not step foot on campus at various times and in years past probably would have signed. They're also trying to encourage schools to sign players later rather than when they are in 9th and 10th grade although I don't think that will really totally go away. If Konnor Griffin came to our camp as a 9th grader and wanted to commit we would take it on the spot because we would be stupid not to.

Then you have the portal factor in all of this. You're probably going to see a lot of guys playing for Memphis, USM, and MSU. We're already seeing that happen some. The path for many to play at MSU is going to be to go somewhere like Memphis or USM and develop and then transfer if you are good enough to do so. If they're not good enough they're going to have to make a business decision to stay where they're at or quit. Whatever the roster size teams are going to have to plan to have space for guys out of the portal. Our bullpen roles that we're filling with JUCO's are probably going to have to come from places like Tulane in the near future.

No one is ever going to hit 100% on high school recruits and then you have the Tommy John epidemic hurting a good percentage of the pitchers anyway.

It's getting to be almost like MLB where I think you're going to have to develop a core group of players from your minor league system (recruiting) and then fill in with free agents (portal). Hard to say what percentage of each without knowing the roster limits but to be honest the make up of our team right now is probably pretty close to what the future is going to be going forward if I had to guess.

[Todd4State]

It's already happening. AU plans to sign 5 HS pitchers and 5 HS position players beginning with the 2025 class. Portal for the rest.

If it were me- again just guessing what the roster size will be- I would go with 8-9 position players and 7 pitchers. That's about 15-16 players. Our current class has 21 players in it high school and JUCO. Inevitably some won't pan out. And with only 5 position players odds are only 2-3 will pan out. Even with the portal it seems like signing that few of players is a bad idea.

[TStationDawg]

If it were me- again just guessing what the roster size will be- I would go with 8-9 position players and 7 pitchers. That's about 15-16 players. Our current class has 21 players in it high school and JUCO. Inevitably some won't pan out. And with only 5 position players odds are only 2-3 will pan out. Even with the portal it seems like signing that few of players is a bad idea.

This is a great point. The polar opposite of what UT (and others) is doing of have 50 plus kids in the fall with about 30% getting cut before the fall ends and sent back home. I hate this strategy and theres got to be a happy medium in their somewhere. But as major D1 teams are becoming the true MLB farm system, it will ripple down to smaller schools and other levels of ball. Heck, even MLB hates this HS class outside of Konnor Griffin. Recruiting from a kid's perspective is musical chairs, just make sure you've got a seat, ANY SEAT, to keep playing and prove your worth.

[TStationDawg]

AU has some stud HS arms coming in, if they all make it, which they probably will.

[Homedawg]

So, we only signed one Dandy Dozen. That means we didn?t like the other 11, or could not afford the others, or we plan on hitting the portal real hard. We are not going to be in very good shape if we don?t get some portal players. Let?s hope Lemo has some players targeted.

Again, it was a down year in the state for srs. I'm not mad at all we didn't get many of them.

[Cooterpoot]

I don't believe this staff is capable of recruiting the way it should at State. I've seen their classes and I see what they're recruiting and it's poor. At least Parker can develop arms. But again, this is the path leadership/boosters have chosen. It's become more about the outfield party & attendance numbers than great baseball. Lets see where things go if that outfield rig gets expensive next year.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I don't believe this staff is capable of recruiting the way it should at State. I've seen their classes and I see what they're recruiting and it's poor. At least Parker can develop arms. But again, this is the path leadership/boosters have chosen. It's become more about the outfield party & attendance numbers than great baseball. Lets see where things go if that outfield rig gets expensive next year.

I don't really know how one correlates with the other in your comparison. I think we've recruited fine. We've missed on some, but you have to wonder with what we've seen from Parker if the misses were more on Foxhall than the players. We've hit on a bunch of portal pieces. I'll agree with you on the outfield, but that's not a new thing. It's been like that for a very long time. I think the culture is more prevalent now but that culture has always existed out there.

[gtowndawg]

I don't believe this staff is capable of recruiting the way it should at State. I've seen their classes and I see what they're recruiting and it's poor. At least Parker can develop arms. But again, this is the path leadership/boosters have chosen. It's become more about the outfield party & attendance numbers than great baseball. Lets see where things go if that outfield rig gets expensive next year.

I don't follow baseball a ton, but I've always said we seem to care more about attendance than actually being elite on the field. It's come up in my circle of friends (granted mostly just football and basketball people) on several occasions over the years. It's always been a little odd to us.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I don't follow baseball a ton, but I've always said we seem to care more about attendance than actually being elite on the field. It's come up in my circle of friends (granted mostly just football and basketball people) on several occasions over the years. It's always been a little odd to us.

I thought when we won a national championship that caring about attendance records were over since we had a national championship to hang our hats on.....I was wrong.

[Mjoelner34]

Actually, they (the administration) care more about money than actual attendance. In the LFL, club level seating and probably the grandstand, if you do not re-new your spot, it WILL get taken by somebody else so as long as they get your money, they don't care if you come or not. I'm guessing it would take a 5 or 6 year stretch of seasons like '22 and '23 with no change in sight before people would start dropping out.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Actually, they (the administration) care more about money than actual attendance. In the LFL, club level seating and probably the grandstand, if you do not re-new your spot, it WILL get taken by somebody else so as long as they get your money, they don't care if you come or not. I'm guessing it would take a 5 or 6 year stretch of seasons like '22 and '23 with no change in sight before people would start dropping out.

The administration....yes. Our fans.....no. Most of the fanbase still cares about attendance records for some reason.

[AlSwearengen]

it looks like he is 20 yrs old, so he is already closer to maturity than most hs seniors.

[Commercecomet24]

Again, it was a down year in the state for srs. I'm not mad at all we didn't get many of them.

This, look at the '25 class. We have 4 of the top 5 players in the state coming in next years class. As Homedawg said, this is a down year. One kid who i saw play a lot last week that's in this years class is Topher Jones. Ball jumps off the kids bat and he's a slick fielder with a good arm and can run. Also the kid has a great attitude and work ethic.

[StarkVegasSteve]

This, look at the '25 class. We have 4 of the top 5 players in the state coming in next years class. As Homedawg said, this is a down year. One kid who i saw play a lot last week that's in this years class is Topher Jones. Ball jumps off the kids bat and he's a slick fielder with a good arm and can run. Also the kid has a great attitude and work ethic.

So CC, with a kid like the one mentioned in OP, what is the reasoning behind not getting in contact with him? Is it an evaluation thing? Not playing travel ball in the right places? Or do you think it's something else?

[BrunswickDawg]

So CC, with a kid like the one mentioned in OP, what is the reasoning behind not getting in contact with him? Is it an evaluation thing? Not playing travel ball in the right places? Or do you think it's something else?

Not CC - but it looks like a numbers game as much as anything. We have 9 Seniors/Grads on the roster. We only have 13 commits in this class. 5 are RHP. There is just not much room there to take a maybe RHP - especially if you are looking to fill holes with the portal.

[StateDawg44]

I don't really know how one correlates with the other in your comparison. I think we've recruited fine. We've missed on some, but you have to wonder with what we've seen from Parker if the misses were more on Foxhall than the players. We've hit on a bunch of portal pieces. I'll agree with you on the outfield, but that's not a new thing. It's been like that for a very long time. I think the culture is more prevalent now but that culture has always existed out there.

Recruiting "fine" is the problem. We are getting lapped on the evaluation side of things for depth especially and seemingly just taking what we can get on some takes and hoping for the best outcome.

We've hit on a few and lost a few to the draft but that's part of it for everyone.

And then they don't develop really. Parker has developed arms this year so I'll acknowledge that.

This offseason will be a major turning point for Lemonis. He could win a lot of people back (including myself) or he could lose big time. Starting with the offensive side of things. He seems to have the pitching side of things fixed as long as he can hang on to Parker.

[Todd4State]

So CC, with a kid like the one mentioned in OP, what is the reasoning behind not getting in contact with him? Is it an evaluation thing? Not playing travel ball in the right places? Or do you think it's something else?

I'm not sure that he played much travel ball. Also unsure if he went to camp. I don't think we would have offered him anyway to be honest. Now 5-10 years ago we probably offer him and I don't want to trash the kid because I do think he is a good player and I think we may get him in the portal down the road.

I think his path to Starkville is through the portal.

[Todd4State]

This, look at the '25 class. We have 4 of the top 5 players in the state coming in next years class. As Homedawg said, this is a down year. One kid who i saw play a lot last week that's in this years class is Topher Jones. Ball jumps off the kids bat and he's a slick fielder with a good arm and can run. Also the kid has a great attitude and work ethic.

Some of them are in your neck of the woods. Landon Harmon is probably the best IMO. I think he could be a SEC ace. The Parker twins look good and Miller from Oak Grove I like a lot. His Dad played pro baseball. Not sure if Tanner Beliveau is a pitcher or not but my guess is that's what he will do in college.

[Cooterpoot]

I don't really know how one correlates with the other in your comparison. I think we've recruited fine. We've missed on some, but you have to wonder with what we've seen from Parker if the misses were more on Foxhall than the players. We've hit on a bunch of portal pieces. I'll agree with you on the outfield, but that's not a new thing. It's been like that for a very long time. I think the culture is more prevalent now but that culture has always existed out there.

Our lineup doesn't scare a damn soul. Our leadoff was a walk on. We hit on HugeSack. We've got two bats in our order around or below .200. But go look at the previous classes and how many aren't even here anymore. We recruited poorly. It's going to show up big next year. Parker can hold things together but the rest is a big ole nothing. The portal has to be elite if everybody goes that's rumored to be going.

[Goldendawg]

Recruiting "fine" is the problem. We are getting lapped on the evaluation side of things for depth especially and seemingly just taking what we can get on some takes and hoping for the best outcome.

We've hit on a few and lost a few to the draft but that's part of it for everyone.

And then they don't develop really. Parker has developed arms this year so I'll acknowledge that.

This offseason will be a major turning point for Lemonis. He could win a lot of people back (including myself) or he could lose big time. Starting with the offensive side of things. He seems to have the pitching side of things fixed as long as he can hang on to Parker.

Lemonis blamed injuries for our early season OOC losses which cost us a regional hosting spot. It bothers me that our lack of SEC talent and our lack of depth caused us to be unable to win these mid-week games. You would think/hope our subs are better than Quad 4 teams that we scheduled and couldn't beat at our place. Keep in mind, these teams come in with nothing to lose and an opportunity to play in "The Dude", a maybe once in a lifetime event in their baseball career. You better have our team ready. A win by these OOC teams is something they will never forget and tell their grandchildren about. After the results of the two seasons after our NC, I doubt many teams feared playing us at all, many probably looked forward to the trip.

[SPMT]

Our lineup doesn't scare a damn soul. Our leadoff was a walk on. We hit on HugeSack. We've got two bats in our order around or below .200. But go look at the previous classes and how many aren't even here anymore. We recruited poorly. It's going to show up big next year. Parker can hold things together but the rest is a big ole nothing. The portal has to be elite if everybody goes that's rumored to be going.

Hines regression is concerning.

I know he leaves but he probably shouldn?t.

[Commercecomet24]

Some of them are in your neck of the woods. Landon Harmon is probably the best IMO. I think he could be a SEC ace. The Parker twins look good and Miller from Oak Grove I like a lot. His Dad played pro baseball. Not sure if Tanner Beliveau is a pitcher or not but my guess is that's what he will do in college.

I saw Landon Harmon last week as well. He should be really good. The Parker twins are going to be good players as well. I know Maddox Miller very well, because his dad is a good friend of mine going back a long time to our connections in Mississippi baseball and the Indy league days. My son played on some of Matts showcase teams from time to time.

[Commercecomet24]

So CC, with a kid like the one mentioned in OP, what is the reasoning behind not getting in contact with him? Is it an evaluation thing? Not playing travel ball in the right places? Or do you think it's something else?

Numbers game more than anything, is my guess. Long is a really good player and has a lot of heart. We have so many rhp and more coming and looking to the portal for help is well, the numbers just didn't work out and he's getting scholarship money at usm whereas with us it be pwo. jmo based on what i've heard.

[Saltydog]

The same thing with Alabama's 1st baseman (Hodo). He's from Waynesboro. Never offered by us. Lead them in homerun's this year.

[BankerDog]

Numbers game more than anything, is my guess. Long is a really good player and has a lot of heart. We have so many rhp and more coming and looking to the portal for help is well, the numbers just didn't work out and he's getting scholarship money at usm whereas with us it be pwo. jmo based on what i've heard.

SVS-it?s like I?ve told you before. This coaching staff loves spin rate, velo for pitchers and exit velo and launch points for hitters. They?ll see a lot of guys in showcases but not in the HS season. If they would watch the HS season-they would?ve tried to pick up the Trimble kid and Moinstere kid at NWR over KK Clark and Loftin. Same could be said for the Nikko kid that was at MRA and now at USM

[StarkVegasSteve]

SVS-it?s like I?ve told you before. This coaching staff loves spin rate, velo for pitchers and exit velo and launch points for hitters. They?ll see a lot of guys in showcases but not in the HS season. If they would watch the HS season-they would?ve tried to pick up the Trimble kid and Moinstere kid at NWR over KK Clark and Loftin. Same could be said for the Nikko kid that was at MRA and now at USM

Loftin I never minded because at least you knew there was substance there with the MLB being on him. He turned down a lot of MLB money to come here. Never got Clark, always felt like they did that as a favor to Kellum.

[Commercecomet24]

The same thing with Alabama's 1st baseman (Hodo). He's from Waynesboro. Never offered by us. Lead them in homerun's this year.

No offense to Will Hodo because i've know the kid since he was 8, but Amani Larry has better stats than hodo and hodo can only dh(he's a big liability on defense) and he can't run a lick. My son grew up playing with and against him and the only reason bama took him(pwo)was as a favor to a booster. He's turned into an ok sec player for them, but nothing special. 15 career hrs in 3 years and a 270 hitter with no speed.

[Commercecomet24]

Loftin I never minded because at least you knew there was substance there with the MLB being on him. He turned down a lot of MLB money to come here. Never got Clark, always felt like they did that as a favor to Kellum.

Yeah Loftin has first round talent but can't stay on the field. As you said he turned down a bunch of money to come to State. Monistere would've been a good pickup but we had mershon and then cupp coming in.

[Cooterpoot]

Hines regression is concerning.

I know he leaves but he probably shouldn?t.

Loses more staying. He's still probably in the first 10 rounds. He's not going to improve staying here

[StarkVegasSteve]

Loses more staying. He's still probably in the first 10 rounds. He's not going to improve staying here

Correct. It'd be a Mangum situation where they might draft him in the 3rd or 4th round but they'd pay him pennies on the dollar for a signing bonus

[Coach34]

Actually, they (the administration) care more about money than actual attendance. In the LFL, club level seating and probably the grandstand, if you do not re-new your spot, it WILL get taken by somebody else so as long as they get your money, they don't care if you come or not. I'm guessing it would take a 5 or 6 year stretch of seasons like '22 and '23 with no change in sight before people would start dropping out.

There are AT LEAST a thousand people that would step up and take an outfield spot if someone drops. That's a minimum number. Shit- I bet I know 25 personally that would. The atmosphere is not going away

[DawgFromOxford]

They?ll see a lot of guys in showcases but not in the HS season. If they would watch the HS season

I don't know much about high school baseball recruiting so someone feel free to correct, but I would guess with limited man power on staff (say compared to football) you've got to focus your resources to narrow down your targets and its way easier to do that via showcases than trying to scout highschool games across the state much less across the country. Now if other coaching staffs are highly successful in scouting high school games and our staff is just lazy or bad at it then shame on them. Again I'm just guessing here based on logistics.

[gtowndawg]

I thought when we won a national championship that caring about attendance records were over since we had a national championship to hang our hats on.....I was wrong.

Totally agree.

[SPMT]

I don't know much about high school baseball recruiting so someone feel free to correct, but I would guess with limited man power on staff (say compared to football) you've got to focus your resources to narrow down your targets and its way easier to do that via showcases than trying to scout highschool games across the state much less across the country. Now if other coaching staffs are highly successful in scouting high school games and our staff is just lazy or bad at it then shame on them. Again I'm just guessing here based on logistics.

All I hear in no particular order, are:

1.exit velo
2. 60 speed
3. Throwing Velo
4. Attitude/demeanor

[Homedawg]

Hines regression is concerning.

I know he leaves but he probably shouldn?t.

Draft year pressure is a real thing. So it hurts. Some thrive on it.....

[basedog]

Number 4 speaks volumes.

[SPMT]

Number 4 speaks volumes.

Shitty attitude ruins everything

[basedog]

Shitty attitude ruins everything

We’ve had a few. When a player thinks they don’t have to work and they can’t be coached or want listen it creates clubhouse issues.

[Commercecomet24]

Draft year pressure is a real thing. So it hurts. Some thrive on it.....

Yep, some thrive and some can't handle it as well.

[Saltydog]

Larry didn't hit 11 HR's this year nor hit .270 so that comparison is not very good Commerce but I do get your point.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Larry didn't hit 11 HR's this year nor hit .270 so that comparison is not very good Commerce but I do get your point.

In baseball and the Portal era you can't afford to take a guy who will suck fr 2 years to get 11hrs and .270 hitting in year 3. You can spare 1 year of development, but then they need to produce. Just not enough bench spots and roster turnover is too fast for 2 years to grow. Plus when you can Portal in a replacement you're probably better off taking high ceiling projects vs a .270 DH project. If the high ceiling project doens't work out, they can Portal away and we can Portal in a Yeager

[StateDawg44]

In baseball and the Portal era you can't afford to take a guy who will suck fr 2 years to get 11hrs and .270 hitting in year 3. You can spare 1 year of development, but then they need to produce. Just not enough bench spots and roster turnover is too fast for 2 years to grow. Plus when you can Portal in a replacement you're probably better off taking high ceiling projects vs a .270 DH project. If the high ceiling project doens't work out, they can Portal away and we can Portal in a Yeager

If it?s that simple, why wouldn?t you just portal in a Yeager to begin with.

[Coach34]

We are middle of the pack SEC in hitting. You guys acting we are garbage are dumb or dont really keep up with college baseball.

Would we like to be better? Well hell yeah. Our 2 best players not having their best seasons plus Kohler and Larry not stepping up has been disappointing.

Pitching and D this year fellas. Pitching and D

[Coach34]

If it?s that simple, why wouldn?t you just portal in a Yeager to begin with.

Where is your guarantee you get a Yeager? Many projected Kohler to be a 12-15 HR guy. Didnt work out. What do you guys not understand about recruiting being a crapshoot with 80% of the guys you sign in baseball??????

[Coach34]

Loftin was considered a sure-fire rotation guy who had a high asking price to MLB. Look how that's turned out for 2 years.

Situations like this is why we have been where we are. Everybody in the SEC would have taken Loftin's signature.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

If it?s that simple, why wouldn?t you just portal in a Yeager to begin with.

Obviously not every player will be a stud. Lets do the math on it.

Say you sign 1 HS kids that needs 2 years on the bench and then give you 1 year of 270 hitting. And you do this every year. Each year, you get 1 .270 hitter from the 3 players on your roster.

Vs, you sign a high ceiling HS kid that needs to develop each year. Over time, 1/3 pan out into a Rooker, the other 2/3 suck and Portal away. We Portal in replacements. Of the replacements, half are sub par (Kohler) and the other half are Yeagers.

Rooker-Kohler-Yeager = a better run than .270-.270-.270. And, the ceiling of your program is higher incase you can hit on several high ceiling guys at once.

[basedog]

Loftin was considered a sure-fire rotation guy who had a high asking price to MLB. Look how that's turned out for 2 years.

Situations like this is why we have been where we are. Everybody in the SEC would have taken Loftin's signature.

If you only knew 34.

[Commercecomet24]

Larry didn't hit 11 HR's this year nor hit .270 so that comparison is not very good Commerce but I do get your point.

Not this year but I was comparing their careers over 3 years. Larry is a much better player. 24 hrs to 15, 308 to 270 avg, obp 442 to 398 and 46 sbs to 7, but just trying to point out hodo is just an ok sec player, and picked Larry as a comparison based on the 3 year careers. Could've picked other players but so many have considered Larry just an average sec player I wanted to see how our average sec player matched up over the 3 years.

[Commercecomet24]

We are middle of the pack SEC in hitting. You guys acting we are garbage are dumb or dont really keep up with college baseball.

Would we like to be better? Well hell yeah. Our 2 best players not having their best seasons plus Kohler and Larry not stepping up has been disappointing.

Pitching and D this year fellas. Pitching and D

This is correct. We're not the 27 Yankees on offense but we're not terrible either. Pitching and defense has been the key this year.

[Coach34]

Not this year but I was comparing their careers over 3 years. Larry is a much better player. 24 hrs to 15, 308 to 270 avg, obp 442 to 398 and 46 sbs to 7, but just trying to point out hodo is just an ok sec player, and picked Larry as a comparison based on the 3 year careers. Could've picked other players but so many have considered Larry just an average sec player I wanted to see how our average sec player matched up over the 3 years.

CC24- you have to explain things slowly and type slower for many of our fans. They are SPED

[Todd4State]

In baseball and the Portal era you can't afford to take a guy who will suck fr 2 years to get 11hrs and .270 hitting in year 3. You can spare 1 year of development, but then they need to produce. Just not enough bench spots and roster turnover is too fast for 2 years to grow. Plus when you can Portal in a replacement you're probably better off taking high ceiling projects vs a .270 DH project. If the high ceiling project doens't work out, they can Portal away and we can Portal in a Yeager

That's basically how it's going to work. And really how it is basically working now.

Teams are only recruiting guys that they think are SEC caliber guys- which means fewer developmental project types.

If a player doesn't contribute or is in line to contribute teams are going to essentially cut them and replace them from someone in the portal.

Especially if you are a hitter.

Pitchers with Tommy John and injury issues like Loftin a team may keep just because you never know if they are going to click in year three like we saw with Dakota Hudson and Chris Stratton. So you can afford a spot for a couple of guys like that.

[StateDawg44]

Where is your guarantee you get a Yeager? Many projected Kohler to be a 12-15 HR guy. Didnt work out. What do you guys not understand about recruiting being a crapshoot with 80% of the guys you sign in baseball??????

That was my point and why I put ?If it was that simple??

How can you guarantee you won?t take a guy that sucks for two years just like you can?t guarantee you wind up with a Yeager?

Although, having someone that can actually evaluate worth a crap (not Lemonis apparently) would go a long ways for us.

[Cooterpoot]

Projections:
29...DJ starting to fall
31...Lo holding steady late 1st round-ish
47...Nori- recruit
87....Stephen ^
99...Conrad Cason-recruit
164...Dohm
174...Hines- really dropping
191...Cade O'Leary-recruit
*Borrowed info here

[Cooterpoot]

Loftin was considered a sure-fire rotation guy who had a high asking price to MLB. Look how that's turned out for 2 years.

Situations like this is why we have been where we are. Everybody in the SEC would have taken Loftin's signature.

Loftin gets healthy he could still be a draft pick next year. Parker had already corrected some things and he was throwing pretty well even with lower velo. He's got to develop a pitch to go with his change. I blame Foxy for not developing him.

[Commercecomet24]

Projections:
29...DJ starting to fall
31...Lo holding steady late 1st round-ish
47...Nori- recruit
87....Stephen ^
99...Conrad Cason-recruit
164...Dohm
174...Hines- really dropping
191...Cade O'Leary-recruit
*Borrowed info here

Some of the folks I've talked to have dropped Hines below the 10th round. He's really hurt himself this year.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Some of the folks I've talked to have dropped Hines below the 10th round. He's really hurt himself this year.

If Hines had any sort of leverage I would say he comes back 100%. I just don't know how much he'd realistically raise his stock by coming back. I mean maybe if he put up Rooker type numbers then yes.

[TStationDawg]

I was curious about him as well. Injury is injury- they happen. His situation seems different. What about Evan Siary? Is he hurt as well? Or just MIA due to lack of performance or trust?

[Commercecomet24]

If Hines had any sort of leverage I would say he comes back 100%. I just don't know how much he'd realistically raise his stock by coming back. I mean maybe if he put up Rooker type numbers then yes.

Oh I agree completely but also remember he's getting a good piece of the nil pie from us. I believe he goes to but his stock has really dropped.

[Cooterpoot]

I was curious about him as well. Injury is injury- they happen. His situation seems different. What about Evan Siary? Is he hurt as well? Or just MIA due to lack of performance or trust?

I have no idea on Siary unless it's injury. He wasn't throwing terrible and we need relief arms, so I assume injury.

[Coach34]

This is where I hate they changed the damn draft rule. Under the old rules? Jordan and Dirtbag are back for a 3rd year- which they both need. Instead they are draft eligible. I don’t think Dirtbag will go high enough this summer but you never know

[Todd4State]

If Hines had any sort of leverage I would say he comes back 100%. I just don't know how much he'd realistically raise his stock by coming back. I mean maybe if he put up Rooker type numbers then yes.

If he's past the 10th round he'll probably make more money in the long run with NIL + senior sign bonus than a 125K signing bonus.

[Todd4State]

This is where I hate they changed the damn draft rule. Under the old rules? Jordan and Dirtbag are back for a 3rd year- which they both need. Instead they are draft eligible. I don’t think Dirtbag will go high enough this summer but you never know

Unless a scout falls in love with Mershon I think he comes back. He'll still have leverage.

[StarkVegasSteve]

[QUOTE=Todd4State;1605409]If he's past the 10th round he'll probably make more money in the long run with NIL + senior sign bonus than a 125K signing bonus.[/QUOTE

We'll see. He's kind of like Kellum. If he comes back, then fine. But don't continue to play him if he struggles next year. Hujsak should've been playing last year but we were too loyal to Clark because he hit a HR one time in Omaha.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

[QUOTE=Todd4State;1605409]If he's past the 10th round he'll probably make more money in the long run with NIL + senior sign bonus than a 125K signing bonus.[/QUOTE

We'll see. He's kind of like Kellum. If he comes back, then fine. But don't continue to play him if he struggles next year. Hujsak should've been playing last year but we were too loyal to Clark because he hit a HR one time in Omaha.

Clark hit .299 last year with a .939 OPS. Hancock is the name you should be thinking of

[Mjoelner34]

[QUOTE=StarkVegasSteve;1605412]

Clark hit .299 last year with a .939 OPS. Hancock is the name you should be thinking of

^^^THIS^^^