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BigDawg81
06-18-2024, 07:17 PM
hopefully, it?s a good one and will compete for a spot in the rotationstarting to think that the Ohio State pitcher is going to commit to State
Todd4State
06-19-2024, 12:10 AM
starting to think that the Ohio State pitcher is going to commit to State
I think he is more of a relief pitcher but that would fill a big need with Tyler Davis and Hardin leaving.
The Federalist Engineer
06-19-2024, 01:56 AM
I think he is more of a relief pitcher but that would fill a big need with Tyler Davis and Hardin leaving.
I've seen written, the Ohio State player, Beidelschies, is the top Portal Pitcher. Followed by a Long Beach State lefty.
Zach Root from ECU is big prospect. Mason Koch of Creighton is big bullpen guy.
Cooterpoot
06-19-2024, 07:49 AM
If rumors are true, we're in on a couple big pitchers.
Pancho
06-19-2024, 07:57 AM
I'll admit it does sound good.
StateDawg44
06-19-2024, 08:24 AM
C'mon Lemo, make me eat crow
BigDawg81
06-19-2024, 08:33 AM
If rumors are true, we're in on a couple big pitchers. Ohio state pitcher seems to be one and seems like we are in a good spot with him. He has decent numbers. Don?t look at his W/L record because the record doesn?t tell the full story
StarkVegasSteve
06-19-2024, 08:39 AM
Ohio state pitcher seems to be one and seems like we are in a good spot with him. He has decent numbers. Don?t look at his W/L record because the record doesn?t tell the full story
91 Ks to 31 BBs in 84.2 innings is what I'm focusing on. Outside of W/L record, his numbers are better than Stephen coming out of Purdue
Cooterpoot
06-19-2024, 10:43 AM
Just picked up a big LHP who was committed to UGA (HS), top lefty in GA.
StarkVegasSteve
06-19-2024, 10:56 AM
Just picked up a big LHP who was committed to UGA (HS), top lefty in GA.
Interesting pickup. Seems like he's got high upside. Need him to develop better than Loftin. Then again....that would just be develop at all.
ETA: DAMN!!! Didn't realize his FB had ticked up 7 mph in a year. Up to 95 now. If he can control that, and we get him to campus, he could be a piece next year.
KOdawg1
06-19-2024, 10:56 AM
Zero chance Beidelschies is a relief pitcher.
Starter all the way.
StarkVegasSteve
06-19-2024, 11:01 AM
Zero chance Beidelschies is a relief pitcher.
Starter all the way.
Well we're bringing him in to compete for a starting spot. I think if you had asked me last year about Stephen I probably would've said he'd be a midweek guy that would be a bullpen guy on the weekends but spot start for us. So shows what I know
TStationDawg
06-19-2024, 11:10 AM
Well we're bringing him in to compete for a starting spot. I think if you had asked me last year about Stephen I probably would've said he'd be a midweek guy that would be a bullpen guy on the weekends but spot start for us. So shows what I know
Is he official yet or no? If so, great and his last name while being butchered by our fans, at least DOES end in a "s", so that will help.
Cooterpoot
06-19-2024, 11:10 AM
Interesting pickup. Seems like he's got high upside. Need him to develop better than Loftin. Then again....that would just be develop at all.
ETA: DAMN!!! Didn't realize his FB had ticked up 7 mph in a year. Up to 95 now. If he can control that, and we get him to campus, he could be a piece next year.
Consistently 92/93, three pitch guy. Not worried about the draft much with him unless something changes in AZ.
StarkVegasSteve
06-19-2024, 11:17 AM
Is he official yet or no? If so, great and his last name while being butchered by our fans, at least DOES end in a "s", so that will help.
No just been heavily rumored and there's not much smoke with any other team.
3dawgnight15
06-19-2024, 11:20 AM
I realize this is the Portal Thread but we just got a commitment from a HS stud out of Georgia, Charlie Foster.
Commercecomet24
06-19-2024, 11:29 AM
Just picked up a big LHP who was committed to UGA (HS), top lefty in GA.
Charlie Foster. LHP pitcher who commands 3 pitches and throws hard. Very, very nice pickup for us. Parker loves the kids
Commercecomet24
06-19-2024, 11:29 AM
No just been heavily rumored and there's not much smoke with any other team.
I have crossed fingers, but we're close to getting this done. Hearing we're real close.
StarkVegasSteve
06-19-2024, 11:32 AM
I have crossed fingers, but we're close to getting this done. Hearing we're real close.
RRREEEEEAAAALLLL CLOSE
Commercecomet24
06-19-2024, 11:34 AM
RRREEEEEAAAALLLL CLOSE
Yeah I don't want to jinx it. Would be huge for us. Slowly but surely, Lemon and staff are rebuilding this team and 2025 could be a good year. Need some more pieces but we're getting there.
StarkVegasSteve
06-19-2024, 11:36 AM
Yeah I don't want to jinx it. Would be huge for us. Slowly but surely, Lemon and staff are rebuilding this team and 2025 could be a good year. Need some more pieces but we're getting there.
We still need another starting caliber arm, 1B, OF(possibly 2), and 3-4 more bullpen arms. However, we are on some really good names right now. Need to start closing on 1 or 2 to build some buzz. The USC Upstate pickup is bigger than some casuals are giving Lemonis credit for. That kid is good.
Commercecomet24
06-19-2024, 11:41 AM
We still need another starting caliber arm, 1B, OF(possibly 2), and 3-4 more bullpen arms. However, we are on some really good names right now. Need to start closing on 1 or 2 to build some buzz. The USC Upstate pickup is bigger than some casuals are giving Lemonis credit for. That kid is good.
Yep right there with ya on all this. I been looking at video of that kid and I love his swing. Extremely short and powerful.
RockyDog
06-19-2024, 11:53 AM
We still need another starting caliber arm, 1B, OF(possibly 2), and 3-4 more bullpen arms. However, we are on some really good names right now. Need to start closing on 1 or 2 to build some buzz. The USC Upstate pickup is bigger than some casuals are giving Lemonis credit for. That kid is good.
The casuals will never get over the fact that Lemons didn't sign Skenes or Montgomery and there's nothing he can do to change their minds. Hell, now many of them are not even giving him any credit for the natty. It's all due to Henderson, Cannizaro and Cohens. Good lord some MSU fans are full on stupid.
Offshore Dawg
06-19-2024, 12:50 PM
Can't fix stupid.
BigDawg81
06-19-2024, 12:54 PM
The casuals will never get over the fact that Lemons didn't sign Skenes or Montgomery and there's nothing he can do to change their minds. Hell, now many of them are not even giving him any credit for the natty. It's all due to Henderson, Cannizaro and Cohens. Good lord some MSU fans are full on stupid. I must be pretty damn stupid. Henderson doesn?t have anything to do with but Cannizzaro and Cohen maybe. All I know is that I haven?t seen a Mangum, Allen, or a Rowdy type player or personality that Lemonis brought in
StarkVegasSteve
06-19-2024, 01:10 PM
I must be pretty damn stupid. Henderson doesn?t have anything to do with but Cannizzaro and Cohen maybe. All I know is that I haven?t seen a Mangum, Allen, or a Rowdy type player or personality that Lemonis brought in
Yeager, Ledbetter, Jordan, Hines, Cjintje, Stephen, Mershon, and I could go on. You're letting these players being on bad teams overshadow that these kids were great baseball players. Almost all the players I just mentioned have been or will be drafted higher than any of the 3 players you mentioned.
Quaoarsking
06-19-2024, 01:22 PM
The casuals will never get over the fact that Lemons didn't sign Skenes or Montgomery and there's nothing he can do to change their minds. Hell, now many of them are not even giving him any credit for the natty. It's all due to Henderson, Cannizaro and Cohens. Good lord some MSU fans are full on stupid.
Who's the Skenes/Montgomery of the portal this year? Let's go get that guy.
StarkVegasSteve
06-19-2024, 01:32 PM
Who's the Skenes/Montgomery of the portal this year? Let's go get that guy.
Unless one jumps in after the CWS, there isn't one. You may could make a case for the Kash kid from TTU or the Root kid at ECU, but neither of them move the needle like Skenes or Montgomery.
BigDawg81
06-19-2024, 01:41 PM
Yeager, Ledbetter, Jordan, Hines, Cjintje, Stephen, Mershon, and I could go on. You're letting these players being on bad teams overshadow that these kids were great baseball players. Almost all the players I just mentioned have been or will be drafted higher than any of the 3 players you mentioned.all of those are tier underneath Mangum, Allen and Rowdy. I?m not talking professional and there is none are guaranteed to get in the bigs. I?m talking about what they did in college and for Mississippi State. We have fans that will argue for statues for Mangum, Allen and Rowdy. None of those guys that you mentioned will be in a discussion. They are good players in college sure Loo might be one of the most athletic player that State has ever had but let?s don?t put them in the same tier as Mangum and Allen for sure.
KOdawg1
06-19-2024, 01:44 PM
Who's the Skenes/Montgomery of the portal this year? Let's go get that guy.
There isn't a guy like that this year but even if there was, we wouldnt be getting him. We can land solid players, but we lose the dog fight with the big boys
Quaoarsking
06-19-2024, 01:47 PM
Unless one jumps in after the CWS, there isn't one. You may could make a case for the Kash kid from TTU or the Root kid at ECU, but neither of them move the needle like Skenes or Montgomery.
What are our chances for those 2?
BigDawg81
06-19-2024, 01:48 PM
There isn't a guy like that this year but even if there was, we wouldnt be getting him. We can land solid players, but we lose the dog fight with the big boysYou will probably never see a Skenes type player again in college
StarkVegasSteve
06-19-2024, 01:52 PM
What are our chances for those 2?
No clue on either. Kash is a huge draft risk so teams will probably lay low on him until they see where he's drafted. The Root kid was heavily rumored to LSU but still hasn't signed anywhere so no clue with him.
BrunswickDawg
06-19-2024, 01:57 PM
You will probably never see a Skenes type player again in college
Skenes was a huge anomaly. The only reason he was at Air Force was because his Senior year got cancelled due to COVID and they reduced the draft to 5 rounds - otherwise he's likely drafted.
The Federalist Engineer
06-19-2024, 02:28 PM
Is he official yet or no? If so, great and his last name while being butchered by our fans, at least DOES end in a "s", so that will help.
"Beetlejuice"
This nickname basically makes itself.
StarkVegasSteve
06-19-2024, 02:35 PM
"Beetlejuice"
This nickname basically makes itself.
Well we better give him a nickname because I sure as hell am not counting on our fanbase being able to spell it. They couldn't even spell Khal STEPHEN's name correctly. Half of them got him and Nolan STEVENS mixed up.
The Federalist Engineer
06-19-2024, 02:40 PM
You will probably never see a Skenes type player again in college
I think you will see many, many players. Guys that grow and develop in smaller programs. Some kids just bloom at a different rate.
In today's portal world:
(1) Jacob DeGrom would have transferred from Stetson, probably to USM or something
(2) Chris Sale would have transferred from Florida Gulf Coast as a Soph. to an array of options, directly to the SEC
(3) Stephen Strasburg would never have played 3 seasons for San Diego State, directly to the SEC
(4) Matt Scherzer would have left the cozy aluminum palace of Mizzou to the 1st class venues of the SEC
Just to name a few
BigDawg81
06-19-2024, 04:13 PM
Purdue?s Freshman of the Year Luke Gaffney has entered the Transfer Portal. Gaffney, 6-2, 215, had a monster season, hitting .359 with 13 HRs, 64 RBIs and also had a 1.095 OPS.
KOdawg1
06-19-2024, 04:29 PM
Purdue?s Freshman of the Year Luke Gaffney has entered the Transfer Portal. Gaffney, 6-2, 215, had a monster season, hitting .359 with 13 HRs, 64 RBIs and also had a 1.095 OPS.
Some big schools will be on him which means we won't get him
StarkVegasSteve
06-19-2024, 04:36 PM
Some big schools will be on him which means we won't get him
He's the type of player we need though. .359 avg, .449 OBP, .646 slg. AND A 1B.
KOdawg1
06-19-2024, 04:49 PM
He's the type of player we need though. .359 avg, .449 OBP, .646 slg. AND A 1B.
I don't disagree, but if the Tennessee, Arkansas, LSU's of the world want him, we're screwed.
StarkVegasSteve
06-19-2024, 04:53 PM
I don't disagree, but if the Tennessee, Arkansas, LSU's of the world want him, we're screwed.
The good news for us is that LSU has already taken a 1B in the portal with the Indiana State kid. They'd be a team I'd definitely worry about. We also have Khal in our corner who might be able to get some people in his ear about improving your draft stock going from Purdue to State.
BankerDog
06-19-2024, 04:53 PM
Some big schools will be on him which means we won't get him
And we aren?t a big school??
Offshore Dawg
06-19-2024, 05:01 PM
And we aren?t a big school??
No we are not, but some on here like to think that.
KOdawg1
06-19-2024, 05:05 PM
And we aren?t a big school??
Not as big as we think we are.
The Federalist Engineer
06-20-2024, 10:52 AM
Purdue?s Freshman of the Year Luke Gaffney has entered the Transfer Portal. Gaffney, 6-2, 215, had a monster season, hitting .359 with 13 HRs, 64 RBIs and also had a 1.095 OPS.
Mechanical Engineering major, my type of player. An instant starting 1B also.
If he were a Fantasy Sports major from Tulane, he's an Ole Miss transfer.
MSU should be able to attract BSME kids from Purdue.
Todd4State
06-20-2024, 01:46 PM
Mechanical Engineering major, my type of player. An instant starting 1B also.
If he were a Fantasy Sports major from Tulane, he's an Ole Miss transfer.
MSU should be able to attract BSME kids from Purdue.
We could use him at catcher potentially too. Seems like a per perfect fit for us on paper.
BigDawg81
06-20-2024, 02:32 PM
We could use him at catcher potentially too. Seems like a per perfect fit for us on paper.
Hopefully, we have reached out already
The Federalist Engineer
06-21-2024, 08:14 PM
Auburn signed ECUs Bristol Carter. They also got the Samford catcher. If even a diseased and miserable program can attract good players, gives me high hopes.
BigDawg81
06-21-2024, 09:16 PM
St.Louis outfielder Pat Clohisy has entered the Transfer Portal. Clohisy had a monster 2024 campaign with a .378 AVG, 15 doubles, 5 triples, 7 HRs, 44 RBIs. First Team All-A10.
KOdawg1
06-21-2024, 09:27 PM
St.Louis outfielder Pat Clohisy has entered the Transfer Portal. Clohisy had a monster 2024 campaign with a .378 AVG, 15 doubles, 5 triples, 7 HRs, 44 RBIs. First Team All-A10.
Draft risk I think
BigDawg81
06-23-2024, 09:18 AM
State land Campbell 1B Reed Stallman .239 BA 15HR 6 Doubles
Has more walks than strikeouts
Cooterpoot
06-23-2024, 09:28 AM
YAY! **
Still shopping scratch and dent sales I see.
This guy makes no sense beyond he's a lefty with power because he's not a good hitter at all.
StarkVegasSteve
06-23-2024, 10:48 AM
YAY! **
Still shopping scratch and dent sales I see.
This guy makes no sense beyond he's a lefty with power because he's not a good hitter at all.
OBP that sits at .441 and an OPS over 1.000. For reference, Hines had an OBP of .346 and an OPS of .832. So an obvious upgrade there.
Cooterpoot
06-23-2024, 01:29 PM
OBP that sits at .441 and an OPS over 1.000. For reference, Hines had an OBP of .346 and an OPS of .832. So an obvious upgrade there.
Way different leagues too and Hines was still a better hitter overall. This kid has one year old D1 ball after and underwhelming Juco career. I can't see it at all. And this is the third corner player we've signed. Aren we going to address other issues? Probably not very well. We're pinning hopes that a power hitter gets walks now.
StarkVegasSteve
06-23-2024, 01:33 PM
Way different leagues too and Hines was still a better hitter overall. This kid has one year old D1 ball after and underwhelming Juco career. I can't see it at all. And this is the third corner player we've signed. Aren we going to address other issues? Probably not very well.
We are on the pitcher from tOSU and a pitcher from Wichita St.
Cooterpoot
06-23-2024, 01:36 PM
We are on the pitcher from tOSU and a pitcher from Wichita St.
No idea. I've seen rumors of him and a couple others but Haire going to OSU might change things there. I trust Parker, but we need some pitching and so far it's kinda been crickets. Only two teams left playing so the portal is about what it's going to be at this point. It's safe to say kids aren't jumping in the boat very fast.
maroonmania
06-23-2024, 02:10 PM
Way different leagues too and Hines was still a better hitter overall. This kid has one year old D1 ball after and underwhelming Juco career. I can't see it at all. And this is the third corner player we've signed. Aren we going to address other issues? Probably not very well. We're pinning hopes that a power hitter gets walks now.
We've seriously reached the point in portal recruiting that we are supposed to be pumped over a .239 hitter coming in from a lower league school? Sorry, if we really are competitive in NIL I don't get why we aren't doing better given we have so much playing time to offer at a high end baseball school in the SEC.
Pancho
06-23-2024, 06:56 PM
must be the Lemo effect.
The Federalist Engineer
06-23-2024, 09:26 PM
OBP that sits at .441 and an OPS over 1.000. For reference, Hines had an OBP of .346 and an OPS of .832. So an obvious upgrade there.
Better be a walk on. That said, we have Brett Pirtle in the past with a 220 JUCU career batting average, then BP flourished to great highs at MSU. Pirtle was 2nd Team all SEC and a huge contributor to 2013.
So I am looking for a miracle to repeat itself.
What the heck is going on?
Todd4State
06-23-2024, 10:32 PM
Better be a walk on. That said, we have Brett Pirtle in the past with a 220 JUCU career batting average, then BP flourished to great highs at MSU. Pirtle was 2nd Team all SEC and a huge contributor to 2013.
So I am looking for a miracle to repeat itself.
What the heck is going on?
Stahlman had a wrist injury he was dealing with last year that is past him now. The back part of the season he hit .310 and hit most of his home runs.
I think this guy could be a steal for us.
It adds up because he has a really good K/BB ratio and usually guys with those two things going on tend to hit at least decently.
KOdawg1
06-24-2024, 04:58 PM
Landon Beidelschies to Arkansas.
Another top portal arm off the board. Probably best to just assume we aren't getting a kid if Arkansas, LSU, Tennessee, and Florida are involved. The Lemon Head ain't winning head to head battles with those guys.
No BS Dawg
06-24-2024, 05:10 PM
Landon Beidelschies to Arkansas.
Another top portal arm off the board. Probably best to just assume we aren't getting a kid if Arkansas, LSU, Tennessee, and Florida are involved. The Lemon Head ain't winning head to head battles with those guys.
And the beat goes on for Lemon.
BigDawg81
06-24-2024, 05:30 PM
Don?t worry guys! There are plenty Campbell players in the portal and some Citadel players also.
StarkVegasSteve
06-24-2024, 06:28 PM
Landon Beidelschies to Arkansas.
Another top portal arm off the board. Probably best to just assume we aren't getting a kid if Arkansas, LSU, Tennessee, and Florida are involved. The Lemon Head ain't winning head to head battles with those guys.
This is a miss. No way around it. We were in position with this kid the entire time. Now he could end up being a bust, but perception matters. And the perception is that Lemonis and Co. just cannot close the door. I have my theories on the why but I will save those for another day.
This is a miss. No way around it. We were in position with this kid the entire time. Now he could end up being a bust, but perception matters. And the perception is that Lemonis and Co. just cannot close the door. I have my theories on the why but I will save those for another day.
Full us in, please.
No need to wait. It?s critical.
Cooterpoot
06-24-2024, 07:04 PM
We all knew how this was going to go
DEDawg
06-24-2024, 07:25 PM
Landon Beidelschies to Arkansas.
Another top portal arm off the board. Probably best to just assume we aren't getting a kid if Arkansas, LSU, Tennessee, and Florida are involved. The Lemon Head ain't winning head to head battles with those guys.
No surprise here. We were for sure getting Montgomery last year until we werent. Never changes with this staff
StarkVegasSteve
06-24-2024, 08:01 PM
Full us in, please.
No need to wait. It?s critical.
Go to Starkville on a Tuesday night in the summer. Then go to Knoxville, Fayetteville, Athens, Lexington, Baton Rouge, etc and it is easy to figure out why we are losing these recruiting battles. It is not Lemonis, NIL, Gautreau, or anything of the sort. It is the fact that we are located in a small town in Mississippi that without students is not a very exciting town. And unfortunately all these recruiting visits are taking place during the summer when no students, or very few, are on campus.
Go to Starkville on a Tuesday night in the summer. Then go to Knoxville, Fayetteville, Athens, Lexington, Baton Rouge, etc and it is easy to figure out why we are losing these recruiting battles. It is not Lemonis, NIL, Gautreau, or anything of the sort. It is the fact that we are located in a small town in Mississippi that without students is not a very exciting town. And unfortunately all these recruiting visits are taking place during the summer when no students, or very few, are on campus.
I live in Starkville and have been to all of those places??if I?m thinking who?s going to get me to the MLB, beer and pu$$y isn?t my concern.
That?s a given for a college athlete.
But?..with Cohen we had a vibe and an identity. We were tough. I don?t feel like we have had that since 2021. In fact, I know we haven?t.
I don?t want to fire Lemonis though. Baseball isn?t the same as the other big 2. It?s more chess on a field.
StarkVegasSteve
06-24-2024, 08:28 PM
I live in Starkville and have been to all of those places??if I?m thinking who?s going to get me to the MLB, beer and pu$$y isn?t my concern.
That?s a given for a college athlete.
But?..with Cohen we had a vibe and an identity. We were tough. I don?t feel like we have had that since 2021. In fact, I know we haven?t.
I don?t want to fire Lemonis though. Baseball isn?t the same as the other big 2. It?s more chess on a field.
But that is the thing. All those other programs get the same amount of kids to the majors. So town atmosphere is what matters sometimes and we lack in those areas for 18-22 yr olds.
The Federalist Engineer
06-24-2024, 08:50 PM
Landon Beidelschies to Arkansas.
Another top portal arm off the board. Probably best to just assume we aren't getting a kid if Arkansas, LSU, Tennessee, and Florida are involved. The Lemon Head ain't winning head to head battles with those guys.
We never wanted him ***
Next time a National Championship is won, don't spend the offseason wooing Luke Hancock back to Starkville from a Substitute Teacher gig in Booneville, Mississippi. Next time, reload like crazy.
StarkVegasSteve
06-24-2024, 08:54 PM
We never wanted him ***
Next time a National Championship is won, don't spend the offseason wooing Luke Hancock back to Starkville from a Substitute Teacher gig in Booneville, Mississippi. Next time, reload like crazy.
No that was in 2022. In 2021, our fan base spent all off season telling the returning players their shit didn’t stink and telling them they were gods gift to baseball.
But that is the thing. All those other programs get the same amount of kids to the majors. So town atmosphere is what matters sometimes and we lack in those areas for 18-22 yr olds.
True. Not sure I wouldn?t go play for V even if I was from Starkville.
StarkVegasSteve
06-24-2024, 09:08 PM
True. Not sure I wouldn?t go play for V even if I was from Starkville.
I have no clue if you are talking about Vitello or ladies. Both would probably be tough to turn down if you compared them to Starkville.
I have no clue if you are talking about Vitello or ladies. Both would probably be tough to turn down if you compared them to Starkville.
Vitello. But yeah. Honestly the south is full of hotties.
Their recruiting won?t drop.
StarkVegasSteve
06-25-2024, 10:38 AM
Interesting portal pitcher...Ruger Riojas from UTSA. No clue of any interest but you have to think we'd be in contact with him.
10-3 with 7 SV. 75 Ks to only 18 BBs in just under 70 innings.
TStationDawg
06-25-2024, 12:15 PM
Interesting portal pitcher...Ruger Riojas from UTSA. No clue of any interest but you have to think we'd be in contact with him.
10-3 with 7 SV. 75 Ks to only 18 BBs in just under 70 innings.
Man, I'll be honest.....I'm at the point now where I only expect California Penal League portal transfers. And I hate it, but now, if we do get a guy, my first question will be "why didn't anyone else want him? Cause I know we didn't beat anyone out for him!"
Tripp McNeely
06-25-2024, 01:21 PM
Man, I'll be honest.....I'm at the point now where I only expect California Penal League portal transfers. And I hate it, but now, if we do get a guy, my first question will be "why didn't anyone else want him? Cause I know we didn't beat anyone out for him!"
Do we really, truly know how many we've actually offered funds to and truly recruited and lost?
StarkVegasSteve
06-25-2024, 01:27 PM
Do we really, truly know how many we've actually offered funds to and truly recruited and lost?
I know of 2. tOSU pitcher and the Stetson CF.
StarkVegasSteve
06-25-2024, 01:51 PM
Mershon looks to be gone. Going to need to find another MIF along with AT LEAST one more bat and 3-4 arms.
KOdawg1
06-25-2024, 01:57 PM
Mershon is gone.
Looking like we only have to endure one more year of Lemonis
StarkVegasSteve
06-25-2024, 02:15 PM
Mershon is gone.
Looking like we only have to endure one more year of Lemonis
Cupp has a higher ceiling than Mershon. If he improves and stays healthy, he's an upgrade. And that's not a knock on Mershon. It's a statement of how good most think Cupp is and will be.
Cooterpoot
06-25-2024, 02:22 PM
Cupp has a higher ceiling than Mershon. If he improves and stays healthy, he's an upgrade. And that's not a knock on Mershon. It's a statement of how good most think Cupp is and will be.
The hope was Westburg, but he's not that offensively. I'd take Mershon everyday offensively. It's going to be ugly next season.
StarkVegasSteve
06-25-2024, 02:39 PM
The hope was Westburg, but he's not that offensively. I'd take Mershon everyday offensively. It's going to be ugly next season.
It's not even July yet. Let's wait til we get guys enrolled before we start the doom and gloom. Or hell, let's at least get through the draft.
And again, comparing Cupp and Westburg's freshman years is not that much difference except Westburg was healthier
Cupp- 66 ABs, 17 H, 4 2Bs, 13 RBIs. .258 avg, 14 Ks, 11 BBs
Westburg- 121 ABs, 30 H, 11 2Bs, 2 HRs, 30 RBIs. .248 avg, 35 Ks, 10 BBs
I don't really see how you can blanket a statement and say he's not Westburg offensively. Westburg has double the ABs and about double the production. Cupp was also more patient at the plate. Now there's no doubt Westburg was a freak so I'm also not saying he is a Westburg clone because those just don't come around often. But I think it's too early to write him off.
Cooterpoot
06-25-2024, 04:52 PM
It's not even July yet. Let's wait til we get guys enrolled before we start the doom and gloom. Or hell, let's at least get through the draft.
And again, comparing Cupp and Westburg's freshman years is not that much difference except Westburg was healthier
Cupp- 66 ABs, 17 H, 4 2Bs, 13 RBIs. .258 avg, 14 Ks, 11 BBs
Westburg- 121 ABs, 30 H, 11 2Bs, 2 HRs, 30 RBIs. .248 avg, 35 Ks, 10 BBs
I don't really see how you can blanket a statement and say he's not Westburg offensively. Westburg has double the ABs and about double the production. Cupp was also more patient at the plate. Now there's no doubt Westburg was a freak so I'm also not saying he is a Westburg clone because those just don't come around often. But I think it's too early to write him off.
Didn't touch the field much at all in SEC play, so no way to get better there. He's coming back after some injuries with a lot of question marks outside his defense. Losing Mershon will be massive downgrade offensively next season at SS.
BigDawg81
06-25-2024, 05:06 PM
Didn't touch the field much at all in SEC play, so no way to get better there. He's coming back after some injuries with a lot of question marks outside his defense. Losing Mershon will be massive downgrade offensively next season at SS. I am not feeling it either. We are just delaying the inevitable. At least a new head coach will give fans optimism similar to what Lebby is doing. I wonder if Lebby can help Lemonis recruit.
StarkVegasSteve
06-25-2024, 05:48 PM
Didn't touch the field much at all in SEC play, so no way to get better there. He's coming back after some injuries with a lot of question marks outside his defense. Losing Mershon will be massive downgrade offensively next season at SS.
He didn’t touch the field because he was injured. Again, we will see. Interesting to see the dominos that fall from this Schloss move.
BigDawg81
06-25-2024, 06:25 PM
The portal should be full of P5 players because of the chain reaction to Texas hiring Jim Schlossnagle but then again we have Lemonis
StarkVegasSteve
06-25-2024, 07:14 PM
The portal should be full of P5 players because of the chain reaction to Texas hiring Jim Schlossnagle but then again we have Lemonis
I think it is the next domino to fall that will be the real fallout. A&M and Texas will have some transfers but I think the coach that replaces Schloss could have more than a few. Especially if it is someone like Mingione, Corbin, or O’Sullivan.
StarkVegasSteve
06-25-2024, 07:39 PM
Also if we are not tampering to get Grahovac, Laviolette, and Camarillo then we need to start NOW.
BigDawg81
06-25-2024, 07:50 PM
Also if we are not tampering to get Grahovac, Laviolette, and Camarillo then we need to start NOW.some power guys right there
StarkVegasSteve
06-25-2024, 08:43 PM
some power guys right there
Our selling point: you don’t have to be in a cult.
KOdawg1
06-25-2024, 10:43 PM
Cupp has a higher ceiling than Mershon.
Yeah I disagree with that completely
Todd4State
06-25-2024, 10:44 PM
Our selling point: you don’t have to be in a cult.
Our cheerleaders are prettier.
Now A&M set the bar pretty low but still.
Todd4State
06-25-2024, 10:46 PM
I think it is the next domino to fall that will be the real fallout. A&M and Texas will have some transfers but I think the coach that replaces Schloss could have more than a few. Especially if it is someone like Mingione, Corbin, or O?Sullivan.
That's what I think as well. Of course I could see them hiring Corbin.
Todd4State
06-25-2024, 10:47 PM
Yeah I disagree with that completely
Cupp has a much higher ceiling than Mershon. He's right. He is already a superior defender to Mershon.
KOdawg1
06-25-2024, 10:48 PM
Cupp has a much higher ceiling than Mershon. He's right. He is already a superior defender to Mershon.
I disagree
CaptainObvious
06-25-2024, 11:07 PM
Guys, there is no guarantee Mershon is leaving. And his dad even posted to not read that into his thanking the fans. Let's admit that he played a very solid SS for us and we would love for him to come back if he doesn't get drafted in his preferred slot.
Todd4State
06-25-2024, 11:13 PM
I disagree
Have you seen him play when he isn't hurt? Defensively he is already superior to Mershon. Cupp is built like a MLB player. Mershon is built like Pedroia.
He was taking some very mature AB's as a freshman and had a lot of line drive outs right at people. Cupp has more power and will hit for a similar average as he matures.
KOdawg1
06-25-2024, 11:24 PM
Have you seen him play when he isn't hurt? Defensively he is already superior to Mershon. Cupp is built like a MLB player. Mershon is built like Pedroia.
He was taking some very mature AB's as a freshman and had a lot of line drive outs right at people. Cupp has more power and will hit for a similar average as he matures.
Cool. I disagree.
Cooterpoot
06-26-2024, 11:40 AM
Yeah I disagree with that completely
I don't based on his body type and potential but I think he's two seasons away from being much help with the bat.
Pancho
06-26-2024, 11:44 AM
depends if its worth having a .125 hitter playing SS next year
BigDawg81
06-26-2024, 12:03 PM
Laviolette is in the portal but Texas is going to him $1mil. We are not going to match that.
StarkVegasSteve
06-26-2024, 12:10 PM
Laviolette is in the portal but Texas is going to him $1mil. We are not going to match that.
That is just wild. Skenes did not even get close to that.
Offshore Dawg
06-26-2024, 12:14 PM
depends if its worth having a .125 hitter playing SS next year
Well, we had one catching !!
Cooterpoot
06-26-2024, 12:25 PM
We've already missed on so many guys I seriously doubt we could pull a top portal kid like any of the A&M kids. With that staff moving they're going to follow them anyway.
Pancho
06-26-2024, 12:50 PM
Well, we had one catching !!
we sure did until someone told Lemo that powell could hit. I guess he just didn't pay attention.
Homedawg
06-26-2024, 01:07 PM
Laviolette is in the portal but Texas is going to him $1mil. We are not going to match that.
A million?? Don't believe that for one second. That's more than double what Braden Montgomery got. Not getting a million. But yes we won't get him.
Homedawg
06-26-2024, 01:09 PM
We've already missed on so many guys I seriously doubt we could pull a top portal kid like any of the A&M kids. With that staff moving they're going to follow them anyway.
The big 3 pitching targets are all still in play. Now, we may not get any, idk, but still in it as of today.
StarkVegasSteve
06-26-2024, 01:11 PM
We are in contact with Laviolette, Grahovac, Schott, and Kent. An old friend is trying to help us with Laviolette.
BigDawg81
06-26-2024, 01:24 PM
A million?? Don't believe that for one second. That's more than double what Braden Montgomery got. Not getting a million. But yes we won't get him. maybe not but I seen that but we are talking about Texas
maroonmania
06-26-2024, 01:30 PM
A million?? Don't believe that for one second. That's more than double what Braden Montgomery got. Not getting a million. But yes we won't get him.
Well, we should have plenty of NIL left for somebody. Can't imagine the 4 players we've gotten required any big payout.
Homedawg
06-26-2024, 01:40 PM
Well, we should have plenty of NIL left for somebody. Can't imagine the 4 players we've gotten required any big payout.
Got numerous out there for pitchers. I'm sure we could find plenty for any of the above. The question is do any of them have return interest. ???
BigDawg81
06-26-2024, 01:48 PM
Apparently, the ECU pitcher is visiting Auburn today
Commercecomet24
06-26-2024, 01:51 PM
A million?? Don't believe that for one second. That's more than double what Braden Montgomery got. Not getting a million. But yes we won't get him.
The nil$$$ rumor mill is definitely in full bloom these days, lol!
KOdawg1
06-26-2024, 02:02 PM
We aren't getting anyone LSU, Arkansas, Florida, Tennessee, and now probably Texas wants. Like it's probably not worth trying. Lemonis can land solid players that may turn into great ones (see Khal) but he ain't winning a battle with the big boys. He's a beta among alphas
StarkVegasSteve
06-26-2024, 02:10 PM
We aren't getting anyone LSU, Arkansas, Florida, Tennessee, and now probably Texas wants. Like it's probably not worth trying. Lemonis can land solid players that may turn into great ones (see Khal) but he ain't winning a battle with the big boys. He's a beta among alphas
He also has to recruit to Starkville, which is in the middle of nowhere and these recruiting trips are taking place in the dead of summer with no one in town. A lot easier to recruit to towns that have more than 3 bars and 9 mexican restaurants as the nightlife.
KOdawg1
06-26-2024, 02:12 PM
He also has to recruit to Starkville, which is in the middle of nowhere and these recruiting trips are taking place in the dead of summer with no one in town. A lot easier to recruit to towns that have more than 3 bars and 9 mexican restaurants as the nightlife.
He's also a dud of a coach that portal recruits looking for a one year stop probably don't want to hitch their wagon to
StarkVegasSteve
06-26-2024, 02:19 PM
He's also a dud of a coach that portal recruits looking for a one year stop probably don't want to hitch their wagon to
Stephen
Yeager
Ledbetter
DuBrule
All one year guys who improved their stock under Lemonis. Hell two of them were even on crappy teams. I understand the frustration from people that we haven't been able to land the big fish, but if it was just Lemonis then none of those guys would've come here. Also that dud won a national championship basically on the back of one of the greatest pitching performances Omaha has ever seen....and he recruited that pitcher.
KOdawg1
06-26-2024, 02:29 PM
Stephen
Yeager
Ledbetter
DuBrule
All one year guys who improved their stock under Lemonis. Hell two of them were even on crappy teams. I understand the frustration from people that we haven't been able to land the big fish, but if it was just Lemonis then none of those guys would've come here. Also that dud won a national championship basically on the back of one of the greatest pitching performances Omaha has ever seen....and he recruited that pitcher.
As I stated, he can land solid players. He can't land the big fish. He did win a national championship and then proceeded to go on a 1,000 day (and counting) run of no postseason ball at the dude, which was built to host regionals and super regionals. We claim to be a national power but we don't operate like one
Cooterpoot
06-26-2024, 02:58 PM
Stephen
Yeager
Ledbetter
DuBrule
All one year guys who improved their stock under Lemonis. Hell two of them were even on crappy teams. I understand the frustration from people that we haven't been able to land the big fish, but if it was just Lemonis then none of those guys would've come here. Also that dud won a national championship basically on the back of one of the greatest pitching performances Omaha has ever seen....and he recruited that pitcher.
We were their best opportunity though. Those guys weren't getting huge NIL either.
Yeager wasn't drafted
Ledbetter was a high draft guy before coming to State best get on paper
Debrule wasn't drafted
Stephen was 100% Parker
StarkVegasSteve
06-26-2024, 03:00 PM
As I stated, he can land solid players. He can't land the big fish. He did win a national championship and then proceeded to go on a 1,000 day (and counting) run of no postseason ball at the dude, which was built to host regionals and super regionals. We claim to be a national power but we don't operate like one
Again, let's just let this portal and draft play out and see where we end up. It's understandable to not be happy with missing on the Stetson CF and tOSU pitcher. But we are still on the ECU pitcher, the UVA pitcher, and I believe we have been in contact with the UTSA pitcher I mentioned the other day Riojas. We also are on Kash from TTU but he's a draft risk. With the A&M guys, I wouldn't hold my breathe. That's an uphill battle and we would need to throw probably a god offer at any of them to get them here. Which, if we have the funds.....do it.
Pancho
06-26-2024, 03:36 PM
Since lemo is playing money ball with the lesser known portal guys, why isn't he offering ca$h to the bigger named buys from A&M and others? I think KOdawg1 is correct in his assessments and honest comments.
StarkVegasSteve
06-26-2024, 03:44 PM
Since lemo is playing money ball with the lesser known portal guys, why isn't he offering ca$h to the bigger named buys from A&M and others? I think KOdawg1 is correct in his assessments and honest comments.
Because the A&M guys know where they're going. They're either headed to TX or A&M will make them a huge offer. Again, if we decide to say screw it and dump all our NIL pot into Laviolette or Grahovac I wouldn't have an issue. But we'd be done from there.
BigDawg81
06-26-2024, 03:53 PM
I have not heard this name mentioned before but heard that Tennessee Matthew Dallas is down to State and LSU.
StarkVegasSteve
06-26-2024, 03:55 PM
I have not heard this name mentioned before but heard that Tennessee Matthew Dallas is down to State and LSU.
There's smoke. We're trailing LSU but we're in the mix for him.
BigDawg81
06-26-2024, 06:23 PM
LSU seems like they will get Kent from Texas A&M
BigDawg81
06-26-2024, 06:50 PM
Again, let's just let this portal and draft play out and see where we end up. It's understandable to not be happy with missing on the Stetson CF and tOSU pitcher. But we are still on the ECU pitcher, the UVA pitcher, and I believe we have been in contact with the UTSA pitcher I mentioned the other day Riojas. We also are on Kash from TTU but he's a draft risk. With the A&M guys, I wouldn't hold my breathe. That's an uphill battle and we would need to throw probably a god offer at any of them to get them here. Which, if we have the funds.....do it. The UVA pitcher is the sidearm guy ? Hungate?
StarkVegasSteve
06-26-2024, 06:54 PM
The UVA pitcher is the sidearm guy ? Hungate?
I know his name is Hungate. No clue if that is the sidearm guy.
BigDawg81
06-26-2024, 07:09 PM
I know his name is Hungate. No clue if that is the sidearm guy. maybe it?s not technically sidearm but definitely not over the top.
Todd4State
06-27-2024, 01:08 AM
Because the A&M guys know where they're going. They're either headed to TX or A&M will make them a huge offer. Again, if we decide to say screw it and dump all our NIL pot into Laviolette or Grahovac I wouldn't have an issue. But we'd be done from there.
A lot of fans underestimate how close players are to coaches sometimes.
It's not about them not liking Lemonis. It's about them liking and trusting Schlossnagle.
Todd4State
06-27-2024, 01:11 AM
I know his name is Hungate. No clue if that is the sidearm guy.
He used to play for VCU so I suspect there is a chance he is familiar with Tyler Davis and Conner Hujsack.
Pretty decent numbers and would be a useful bullpen piece for us. He'll be a senior with Omaha experience.
Todd4State
06-27-2024, 01:12 AM
Again, let's just let this portal and draft play out and see where we end up. It's understandable to not be happy with missing on the Stetson CF and tOSU pitcher. But we are still on the ECU pitcher, the UVA pitcher, and I believe we have been in contact with the UTSA pitcher I mentioned the other day Riojas. We also are on Kash from TTU but he's a draft risk. With the A&M guys, I wouldn't hold my breathe. That's an uphill battle and we would need to throw probably a god offer at any of them to get them here. Which, if we have the funds.....do it.
I want the Wichita State pitcher. Tommy LaPour. I know we're recruiting him.
The Federalist Engineer
06-27-2024, 07:05 AM
Ole Miss has pitchers jumping ship like crazy. Since we are shopping at the scratched and dented store. Is it beneath us to pull some players from a dumpster fire.
I wonder if MSU is looking at Grayson Saunier. Big recruit that was an SEC starter but collapsed like the rest of the pitching staff. I would also call Tom Quinn and see if his kid wants play for Parker. Take both top recruits from 2 years ago.
Cooterpoot
06-27-2024, 07:57 AM
I get the feeling we're about to start seeing some pitching recruits real soon
StarkVegasSteve
06-27-2024, 08:06 AM
I want the Wichita State pitcher. Tommy LaPour. I know we're recruiting him.
We're on him, Root, and Pruitt from Indiana St. If I had to give us odds at this point it'd probably be
LaPour-65-75%
Root- 50/50. But feel a lot better than I did like a week ago
Pruitt- 55-65%
The Federalist Engineer
06-27-2024, 10:18 AM
We're on him, Root, and Pruitt from Indiana St. If I had to give us odds at this point it'd probably be
LaPour-65-75%
Root- 50/50. But feel a lot better than I did like a week ago
Pruitt- 55-65%
LaPour is now a national recruit, I understand. Probably the entire SEC West + Texas + OU has interest.
50/50 on Root? That's a pleasant surprise
BigDawg81
06-27-2024, 01:45 PM
Reigning Southland Hitter of the Year and
OF Mitchell Sanford has entered the Transfer Portal. Sanford finished this season with a .381 average, 21 doubles, four triples, 15 homers and 68 RBIs.
Mjoelner34
06-27-2024, 02:06 PM
Reigning Southland Hitter of the Year and
OF Mitchell Sanford has entered the Transfer Portal. Sanford finished this season with a .381 average, 21 doubles, four triples, 15 homers and 68 RBIs.
K's at a 20% clip and also had 18 stolen bases this year.
I'd take him.
StarkVegasSteve
06-27-2024, 02:20 PM
Reigning Southland Hitter of the Year and
OF Mitchell Sanford has entered the Transfer Portal. Sanford finished this season with a .381 average, 21 doubles, four triples, 15 homers and 68 RBIs.
UNO guy. Previously at UTA. Probably headed to LSU but I'm sure we've already reached out being that we saw him up close this year.
UNO guy. Previously at UTA. Probably headed to LSU but I'm sure we've already reached out being that we saw him up close this year.
Laviolette, Grahovac and Kent would replace every need we have. Come on fellas let?s ear the correct Maroon!
Todd4State
06-28-2024, 12:00 AM
UNO guy. Previously at UTA. Probably headed to LSU but I'm sure we've already reached out being that we saw him up close this year.
He has already played for LSU once as a freshman. I kind of doubt he would go back there but stranger things have happened.
Todd4State
06-28-2024, 12:02 AM
Laviolette, Grahovac and Kent would replace every need we have. Come on fellas let?s ear the correct Maroon!
That would be a bigger coup than Texas pulling Schlossnagle. I'd say the odds are at least two out of those three end up at Texas.
StarkVegasSteve
06-28-2024, 07:26 AM
That would be a bigger coup than Texas pulling Schlossnagle. I'd say the odds are at least two out of those three end up at Texas.
I think Kent definitely ends up at Texas. Grahovac and Laviolette are interesting. I think there is a chance Grahovac just goes back to A&M depending on the hire. Laviolette could end up a bunch of places, including back at A&M. He was committed for a long time to LSU when Manieri was there so they will throw their hat in the ring.
BigDawg81
06-28-2024, 09:56 AM
LSU media guy says they feel confident in getting Kent
StarkVegasSteve
06-28-2024, 10:02 AM
LSU media guy says they feel confident in getting Kent
That would be interesting. Be good pickup for them. Be interesting to see what would happen with Steven Milam or Michael Braswell if they did that.
StarkVegasSteve
06-28-2024, 10:10 AM
Would look for Mike Mancini to be out next possible commit. 2B that can also play outfield. Looks like we're hedging our bets on Mershon and Nori.
Mancini: .329 BA, .419 OBP, .587 SLG. 10 2Bs, 15 HRs, 49 RBIs, 29 SBs. 23% K rate.
Cooterpoot
06-28-2024, 10:19 AM
Goodbye LaPour, hope we fed you well. Enjoy TCU! Man we can't sell shi t. We're rapidly headed toward a really bad season next year.
StarkVegasSteve
06-28-2024, 10:22 AM
LaPour to TCU. No way around it, that's a bad loss/miss. We thought Parker would be able to bring that one home and unfortunately was not able to
Cooterpoot
06-28-2024, 10:24 AM
Something is going on with our baseball recruiting. Blame the negativity around it, blame a coach who can't recruit in the portal era, blame poor NIL, blame Starkville, whatever. It's just damn bad!! We need some damn energy injected into this SOB!
StarkVegasSteve
06-28-2024, 10:29 AM
Something is going on with our baseball recruiting. Blame the negativity around it, blame a coach who can't recruit in the portal era, blame poor NIL, blame Starkville, whatever. It's just damn bad!!
It is. I again keep harping on it, I think it's Starkville. I don't think it's NIL, Lemonis, Parker, Gautreau, etc. They may play a part in it, but players will still go play for bad teams. Hell TCU went 33-21 last year and didn't even make the tournament. But Ft. Worth is lot more desirable than Starkville if the NIL is around the same. I mean just take Ft. Worth for example. If players come on a visit, you have The Stockyards, downtown Ft. Worth, and Dallas 30 minutes away. When they come visit Starkville, they have 3 bars, 9 Mexican restaurants, a dead campus, and Birmingham 2 hours away.
And btw, this is coming from someone who loves Starkville and loves Mississippi St. But we have to change perception. Far too long the perception of Starkville is quiet college town and no one ever tried to deny it. We have to start growing the Cotton District, downtown, attracting businesses, and for the love of God.....START RECRUITING OUT OF STATE STUDENTS.
BigDawg81
06-28-2024, 10:31 AM
That would be interesting. Be good pickup for them. Be interesting to see what would happen with Steven Milam or Michael Braswell if they did that.went on to say that Braswell is their #2 option
StarkVegasSteve
06-28-2024, 10:32 AM
went on to say that Braswell is their #2 option
So their everyday SS from last year and 3rd leading hitter is their #2 option.....if that's the case I feel confident he'll be in the portal pretty quickly no matter what happens.
Cooterpoot
06-28-2024, 10:35 AM
It is. I again keep harping on it, I think it's Starkville. I don't think it's NIL, Lemonis, Parker, Gautreau, etc. They may play a part in it, but players will still go play for bad teams. Hell TCU went 33-21 last year and didn't even make the tournament. But Ft. Worth is lot more desirable than Starkville if the NIL is around the same. I mean just take Ft. Worth for example. If players come on a visit, you have The Stockyards, downtown Ft. Worth, and Dallas 30 minutes away. When they come visit Starkville, they have 3 bars, 9 Mexican restaurants, a dead campus, and Birmingham 2 hours away.
And btw, this is coming from someone who loves Starkville and loves Mississippi St. But we have to change perception. Far too long the perception of Starkville is quiet college town and no one ever tried to deny it. We have to start growing the Cotton District, downtown, attracting businesses, and for the love of God.....START RECRUITING OUT OF STATE STUDENTS.
I think Starkville is the least of those. I think NIL took a hit this year with football taking more (I'm ok with that). I also think Lemonis isn't very good but this was a Parker recruit so I agree, we probably try to stay in the same NIL ballpark as other schools when we need to offer more, but don't have it this time.
BigDawg81
06-28-2024, 10:35 AM
So their everyday SS from last year and 3rd leading hitter is their #2 option.....if that's the case I feel confident he'll be in the portal pretty quickly no matter what happens. That Matt Mascona for you
The Federalist Engineer
06-28-2024, 10:45 AM
Goodbye LaPour, hope we fed you well. Enjoy TCU! Man we can't sell shi t. We're rapidly headed toward a really bad season next year.
TCU signed a top WSU portal kid last year (Payton Tolle) and that kid did great. So that's a pipeline effect of Wichita to Dallas.
Also LaPour had become a national recruit.
StarkVegasSteve
06-28-2024, 10:48 AM
I think Starkville is the least of those. I think NIL took a hit this year with football taking more (I'm ok with that). I also think Lemonis isn't very good but this was a Parker recruit so I agree, we probably try to stay in the same NIL ballpark as other schools when we need to offer more, but don't have it this time.
Well and unfortunately, I think baseball players are now going to start trying be like football and basketball and ask for exorbitant amounts. See the Moffett kid at LSU for example. A kid like that is worth nowhere near what he is asking. It's going to take a bigger commitment from baseball boosters if they want to stay competitive in NIL. At the end of the day, we just need more money because like you said, our NIL focus this spring/summer was basketball and football(which like you I am ok with).
StarkVegasSteve
06-28-2024, 10:50 AM
TCU signed a top WSU portal kid last year and that kid did great. So that's a pipeline.
Also LaPour had become a national recruit.
Be interesting to see if Sarloos can turn it around there next year. I have my doubts.
Homedawg
06-28-2024, 11:19 AM
I think Starkville is the least of those. I think NIL took a hit this year with football taking more (I'm ok with that). I also think Lemonis isn't very good but this was a Parker recruit so I agree, we probably try to stay in the same NIL ballpark as other schools when we need to offer more, but don't have it this time.
Our nil offers are competitive at the very least. And in some cases more than what they got at the places they chose.
Cooterpoot
06-28-2024, 03:16 PM
Our nil offers are competitive at the very least. And in some cases more than what they got at the places they chose.
And there's the answer- Lemonis
We all know he's not a recruiter and sits up on that natty. When kids say they feel like he treats them like they're just lucky to talk him, it's not going to work.
Hopefully he's gone next year. This staff has proven for three years their lazy is relentless.
Pancho
06-28-2024, 03:42 PM
I know a few who felt that way. One went elsewhere and a couple more are leaning that way. said he acted like a tour guide.
BigDawg81
06-28-2024, 05:03 PM
Utah Valley State Daniel Dickinson has entered the Transfer Portal. Dickinson hit .367 with 14 doubles, two triples, 18 homers and 53 RBis this past season (1.131 OPS).
BigDawg81
06-28-2024, 05:06 PM
Georgetown Christian Ficca, who hit .344 with 11 homers and 64 RBIs, entered as well.
Florida P Cade Fisher also entered. Fisher had 76 K's in 59.1 innings this past season.
Homedawg
06-28-2024, 06:54 PM
And there's the answer- Lemonis
We all know he's not a recruiter and sits up on that natty. When kids say they feel like he treats them like they're just lucky to talk him, it's not going to work.
Hopefully he's gone next year. This staff has proven for three years their lazy is relentless.
In effective, maybe. Lazy isn't it. At all.
Cooterpoot
06-28-2024, 09:53 PM
In effective, maybe. Lazy isn't it. At all.
Sure it is. Teams and players talk and Lemonis does the minimum. Even he admitted they got lazy and it shows. He's drawings check and chasing mediocrity.
Homedawg
06-28-2024, 10:03 PM
Sure it is. Teams and players talk and Lemonis does the minimum. Even he admitted they got lazy and it shows. He's drawings check and chasing mediocrity.
That's your take and I know I'm not changing your mind. It's not correct but I'll digress
Cowbell
06-28-2024, 10:23 PM
That's your take and I know I'm not changing your mind. It's not correct but I'll digress
Any thoughts on what we could do to improve our portal haul?
Cooterpoot
06-28-2024, 10:27 PM
Any thoughts on what we could do to improve our portal haul?
Hire a new HC. But I'm in the Mad Dog Margaritas tonight. My head will hurt tomorrow, but I won't strike out a 1/4 of what Lemonis does.
Think about this:
1st time HC Lebby is killing recruiting at a low end football school
Jans is killing recruiting at a bad basketball school
Lemonis is sucking at a baseball power house
Anyone that doesn't believe he's 75% the problem is lost, blind, and foolish.
It took yall a long time to accept Foxy was a disaster when I was telling yall he was. But it became obvious eventually and this will too
Hire a new HC. But I'm in the Mad Dog Margaritas tonight. My head will hurt tomorrow, but I won't strike out a 1/4 of what Lemonis does.
Think about this:
1st time HC Lebby is killing recruiting at a low end football school
Jans is killing recruiting at a bad basketball school
Lemonis is sucking at a baseball power house
Anyone that doesn't believe he's 75% the problem is lost, blind, and foolish.
It took yall a long time to accept Foxy was a disaster when I was telling yall he was. But it became obvious eventually and this will too
I cannot disagree.
I wish someone who knows the program intimately would speak up.
Todd4State
06-29-2024, 02:57 AM
Hire a new HC. But I'm in the Mad Dog Margaritas tonight. My head will hurt tomorrow, but I won't strike out a 1/4 of what Lemonis does.
Think about this:
1st time HC Lebby is killing recruiting at a low end football school
Jans is killing recruiting at a bad basketball school
Lemonis is sucking at a baseball power house
Anyone that doesn't believe he's 75% the problem is lost, blind, and foolish.
It took yall a long time to accept Foxy was a disaster when I was telling yall he was. But it became obvious eventually and this will too
We're not having an issue recruiting high school players. I'm not sure why the portal would be much different.
We haven't had a problem attracting position players this cycle. But we haven't landed a pitcher only guy yet. Which I think is a bit unusual.
At the same time the portal season isn't over for another six weeks or so. It's still way early to panic. We need to get through the draft next and that's an unknown at this point. No one really knows what kind of discussions Lemonis has had with the players and scouts regarding the draft and I am 100% certain he has a much better idea than anyone here has about what is exactly coming back. Like we're all assuming Holcombe is gone. But he is playing summer ball right now which is a little odd for someone that is going pro. At the same time we're all assuming Pico is staying even though he is draft eligible. It sounds like Stone Simmons is coming back. If he is healthy he could start for us or he could close.
Then you have a guy like Brooks Auger. He may not be drafted in the top 10 rounds. Maybe he gets drafted in the 12th round or something and then we offer him NIL and get him back for another year. I don't think anyone would be against that and in that case I would much rather have a guy like Auger over most of the guys in the portal. I don't think he is going to get a massively huge bonus that we couldn't potentially match with NIL.
I'm sure we'll get some guys out of the portal but if our rotation next spring in Simmons, Pico, and Nolan Stevens for example I could live with that on paper.
Oh- and this is coming from a guy that said Foxhall was the main problem since Tulane 2022.
Todd4State
06-29-2024, 03:05 AM
It is. I again keep harping on it, I think it's Starkville. I don't think it's NIL, Lemonis, Parker, Gautreau, etc. They may play a part in it, but players will still go play for bad teams. Hell TCU went 33-21 last year and didn't even make the tournament. But Ft. Worth is lot more desirable than Starkville if the NIL is around the same. I mean just take Ft. Worth for example. If players come on a visit, you have The Stockyards, downtown Ft. Worth, and Dallas 30 minutes away. When they come visit Starkville, they have 3 bars, 9 Mexican restaurants, a dead campus, and Birmingham 2 hours away.
And btw, this is coming from someone who loves Starkville and loves Mississippi St. But we have to change perception. Far too long the perception of Starkville is quiet college town and no one ever tried to deny it. We have to start growing the Cotton District, downtown, attracting businesses, and for the love of God.....START RECRUITING OUT OF STATE STUDENTS.
I don't think it's Starkville to be honest with you. Vanderbilt and Tulane are in some pretty awesome places and they're some of the smallest schools in the country. Jackson probably has the most things to do in the state but I bet if you added up the enrollment of Mississippi College, Millsaps, and Belhaven combined it would fall way short of MSU.
I think Parker has to continue to build his reputation. Yeah he did a great job this year with Khal, Loo, Tyler Davis and made Tyson Hardin go from a guy that I didn't think was a SEC player to a guy that was one of our best relievers. He'll get there- but in the case of LaPour Saarloos has a much longer track record at this point.
Pancho
06-29-2024, 09:02 AM
Todd4 is on a truth burner. very good assessments, sir. obvious facts are simply that.
Cooterpoot
06-29-2024, 09:58 AM
We're not having an issue recruiting high school players. I'm not sure why the portal would be much different.
We haven't had a problem attracting position players this cycle. But we haven't landed a pitcher only guy yet. Which I think is a bit unusual.
At the same time the portal season isn't over for another six weeks or so. It's still way early to panic. We need to get through the draft next and that's an unknown at this point. No one really knows what kind of discussions Lemonis has had with the players and scouts regarding the draft and I am 100% certain he has a much better idea than anyone here has about what is exactly coming back. Like we're all assuming Holcombe is gone. But he is playing summer ball right now which is a little odd for someone that is going pro. At the same time we're all assuming Pico is staying even though he is draft eligible. It sounds like Stone Simmons is coming back. If he is healthy he could start for us or he could close.
Then you have a guy like Brooks Auger. He may not be drafted in the top 10 rounds. Maybe he gets drafted in the 12th round or something and then we offer him NIL and get him back for another year. I don't think anyone would be against that and in that case I would much rather have a guy like Auger over most of the guys in the portal. I don't think he is going to get a massively huge bonus that we couldn't potentially match with NIL.
I'm sure we'll get some guys out of the portal but if our rotation next spring in Simmons, Pico, and Nolan Stevens for example I could live with that on paper.
Oh- and this is coming from a guy that said Foxhall was the main problem since Tulane 2022.
Our position gets are a very mixed bag this time and we missed on the bigger guys again. HS recruiting hasn't proven to be great because none are here after so many leaving the last few years (bad classes overall). This years HS class is ok but it's not as highly rated as where we've been in the past. Recruiting is an issue. They can build a regional team (who couldn't?), it's building more that's the problem. We've all heard the rumors about recruiting style of Lemonis & we've seen the admission of getting lazy. The problem is, nothing has really changed. We'll sign a couple strong HS guys, one, maybe two portal guys that pan out if we're lucky, and a pitcher that's solid. It still leaves lots of projects and holes. NIL isn't the problem, facilities and support aren't the problems. That leaves the staff as the issue. We've got so much to sell, but it's just not being sold properly.
Homedawg
06-29-2024, 10:51 AM
Our position gets are a very mixed bag this time and we missed on the bigger guys again. HS recruiting hasn't proven to be great because none are here after so many leaving the last few years (bad classes overall). This years HS class is ok but it's not as highly rated as where we've been in the past. Recruiting is an issue. They can build a regional team (who couldn't?), it's building more that's the problem. We've all heard the rumors about recruiting style of Lemonis & we've seen the admission of getting lazy. The problem is, nothing has really changed. We'll sign a couple strong HS guys, one, maybe two portal guys that pan out if we're lucky, and a pitcher that's solid. It still leaves lots of projects and holes. NIL isn't the problem, facilities and support aren't the problems. That leaves the staff as the issue. We've got so much to sell, but it's just not being sold properly.
You keep saying it, but nobody said they got lazy nor are they lazy. You can say it but doenst make it true.
BigDawg81
06-29-2024, 12:47 PM
If what Hadad says is true, Lemonis isn?t taking the pressure of this job very well and doesn?t know how much Lemonis is going to coach. I don?t know if that has anything to do with his recruiting on not. I fully believe if Lemonis was offered the South Carolina job, he would have taken the job. I?m ready to start over and make a hire that will bring juice back to the program.
Todd4State
06-29-2024, 01:06 PM
Our position gets are a very mixed bag this time and we missed on the bigger guys again. HS recruiting hasn't proven to be great because none are here after so many leaving the last few years (bad classes overall). This years HS class is ok but it's not as highly rated as where we've been in the past. Recruiting is an issue. They can build a regional team (who couldn't?), it's building more that's the problem. We've all heard the rumors about recruiting style of Lemonis & we've seen the admission of getting lazy. The problem is, nothing has really changed. We'll sign a couple strong HS guys, one, maybe two portal guys that pan out if we're lucky, and a pitcher that's solid. It still leaves lots of projects and holes. NIL isn't the problem, facilities and support aren't the problems. That leaves the staff as the issue. We've got so much to sell, but it's just not being sold properly.
So many high school recruits are leaving because of the portal culture- not necessarily because they were misevaluated. Which is why we're going to see smaller classes going forward. Because we're adapting to a culture change in baseball doesn't mean we were bad at recruiting. If we were then LSU has been worse considering what they are cutting right now.
In the meantime we have four high school commits that have been rated as top 250 draft prospects to go with the five others on the team currently- Nolan Stevens, Loftin, Highfill, Makhai Grant, and Dylan Cupp. That group doesn't include Luke Dotson, Ryan McPherson, or Henry Allen so no again- our high school recruiting hasn't been a "problem".
Todd4State
06-29-2024, 01:15 PM
If what Hadad says is true, Lemonis isn?t taking the pressure of this job very well and doesn?t know how much Lemonis is going to coach. I don?t know if that has anything to do with his recruiting on not. I fully believe if Lemonis was offered the South Carolina job, he would have taken the job. I?m ready to start over and make a hire that will bring juice back to the program.
If he is that stressed out over it- then why doesn't he just leave? As far as money I suspect we would give him a reasonably nice package if he just decided to "retire". Even if we didn't there are other jobs that he could find that are less stressful. The Citadel was open this year for example. He could do like Paul Manieri and sit out a year and then come back.
But he hasn't done that yet. And I think I know why.
Because it isn't true.
I highly doubt that Lemonis is going to hang out with guys that basically were telling listeners that they weren't going to have much to talk about with baseball earlier in the year and were basically telling listeners that he was going to be fired.
StarkVegasSteve
06-29-2024, 01:20 PM
If he is that stressed out over it- then why doesn't he just leave? As far as money I suspect we would give him a reasonably nice package if he just decided to "retire". Even if we didn't there are other jobs that he could find that are less stressful. The Citadel was open this year for example. He could do like Paul Manieri and sit out a year and then come back.
But he hasn't done that yet. And I think I know why.
Because it isn't true.
I highly doubt that Lemonis is going to hang out with guys that basically were telling listeners that they weren't going to have much to talk about with baseball earlier in the year and were basically telling listeners that he was going to be fired.
So this is strictly just rumor but what I was told is that Hadad and Faulk have a vendetta against Lemonis because Chris cussed Faulk out to his face and basically told him no one gave a shit about his opinions. Stemmed from them both going after his job last year and into the fall and winter.
BigDawg81
06-29-2024, 01:53 PM
So this is strictly just rumor but what I was told is that Hadad and Faulk have a vendetta against Lemonis because Chris cussed Faulk out to his face and basically told him no one gave a shit about his opinions. Stemmed from them both going after his job last year and into the fall and winter. So, Lemonis can?t take the heat? 2/3 of the fanbase wanted him fired for stinking it up. Thats part of the job. I still think he needs to be fired. Is he going to cuss me out? Unlike Faulk, I don?t have credentials to lose so I will curse him right back.
BigDawg81
06-29-2024, 01:56 PM
If he is that stressed out over it- then why doesn't he just leave? As far as money I suspect we would give him a reasonably nice package if he just decided to "retire". Even if we didn't there are other jobs that he could find that are less stressful. The Citadel was open this year for example. He could do like Paul Manieri and sit out a year and then come back.
But he hasn't done that yet. And I think I know why.
Because it isn't true.
I highly doubt that Lemonis is going to hang out with guys that basically were telling listeners that they weren't going to have much to talk about with baseball earlier in the year and were basically telling listeners that he was going to be fired. probably should have been fired Imo. Coaches have been fired for less.
Todd4State
06-29-2024, 02:08 PM
probably should have been fired Imo. Coaches have been fired for less.
And we would have had trouble finding a replacement because coaches aren't going to want to go somewhere that fired their coach two years after their only NC.
Unfortunately we don't have fans that are Ok if the coach that is on the hot seat is able to rebound as Lemonis has.
Ole Miss didn't fire Bianco either for the same reason.
Todd4State
06-29-2024, 02:11 PM
So this is strictly just rumor but what I was told is that Hadad and Faulk have a vendetta against Lemonis because Chris cussed Faulk out to his face and basically told him no one gave a shit about his opinions. Stemmed from them both going after his job last year and into the fall and winter.
I'm not sure if that's true or not but knowing what I know about Lemonis it wouldn't surprise me and if it is true I wish I was there to see it. That would have been hilarious.
I have heard that they don't get along though.
Mjoelner34
06-29-2024, 02:24 PM
Ole Miss didn't fire Bianco either for the same reason.
Ole Miss didn't fire Bianco this year because it would have costs them around $7.5 million for him and his staff. That's the same reason several on here said we didn't get rid of Lemonis last year.
Cowbell
06-29-2024, 02:34 PM
So, Lemonis can?t take the heat? 2/3 of the fanbase wanted him fired for stinking it up. Thats part of the job. I still think he needs to be fired. Is he going to cuss me out? Unlike Faulk, I don?t have credentials to lose so I will curse him right back.
Faulk runs him down every chance he gets publicly. It's not like he wrote a truth article on him. He just nonstop spews biased negative. I swear him and Bucky are the same sometimes.
Saltydog
06-29-2024, 02:41 PM
I'm not sure about the lazy stuff so let's just set it aside. If he's not then he's just not very good at what he does.
Todd4State
06-29-2024, 02:45 PM
Faulk runs him down every chance he gets publicly. It's not like he wrote a truth article on him. He just nonstop spews biased negative. I swear him and Bucky are the same sometimes.
The way Faulk talked about Arnett and Leach would confirm they aren't the same guy.
maroonmania
06-29-2024, 04:13 PM
And we would have had trouble finding a replacement because coaches aren't going to want to go somewhere that fired their coach two years after their only NC.
Unfortunately we don't have fans that are Ok if the coach that is on the hot seat is able to rebound as Lemonis has.
Ole Miss didn't fire Bianco either for the same reason.
Lemonis followed up two of our worst seasons in recent memory with a road regional appearance. He still has some rebounding to do. And next year could be a struggle. I certainly don't expect us to be picked very high.
Pancho
06-29-2024, 04:17 PM
maybe above mizzou, the sharts and bama? that about right?
BigDawg81
06-29-2024, 04:56 PM
Back to the portal, Fisher from Ole Miss is in the portal. .285 with 20 HRs
Todd4State
06-29-2024, 06:16 PM
Lemonis followed up two of our worst seasons in recent memory with a road regional appearance. He still has some rebounding to do. And next year could be a struggle. I certainly don't expect us to be picked very high.
I've seen experts pick us for a SR already in the early going. Safe to say that we'll be projected to be a top 25 team again this year at least.
BigDawg81
06-29-2024, 07:21 PM
Aiden Moffett to Texas?
StateDawg44
06-29-2024, 07:24 PM
I've seen experts pick us for a SR already in the early going. Safe to say that we'll be projected to be a top 25 team again this year at least.
These the same experts that had us at #4 to start the 2022 season?
maroonmania
06-29-2024, 07:28 PM
I've seen experts pick us for a SR already in the early going. Safe to say that we'll be projected to be a top 25 team again this year at least.
Hope that happens though I'm quite skeptical. I would actually really like to see Lemonis get things back rolling and stabilize things.
Todd4State
06-29-2024, 09:11 PM
These the same experts that had us at #4 to start the 2022 season?
Yeah and the same ones that had us last in the SEC this year.
The Federalist Engineer
06-29-2024, 11:08 PM
I've seen experts pick us for a SR already in the early going. Safe to say that we'll be projected to be a top 25 team again this year at least.
All teams are losing big players. UGA will never see another Condon ever again. LSU will be looking for a Skenes and never find him again. Losing Tommy Tanks too. Vandy is on the long road back to normal. Florida losing Caglione and others.
That said, I don't see how MSU is heading to anything special next year. Portal sucks thus far. Pitching is ok-ish, got Pico, Ligon, Dotson, and maybe Loftin can finally play. There are some prospects on the mound. But only one dude is known to be good. People saying that Holcombe has no chance of returning.
Todd4State
06-30-2024, 01:07 AM
All teams are losing big players. UGA will never see another Condon ever again. LSU will be looking for a Skenes and never find him again. Losing Tommy Tanks too. Vandy is on the long road back to normal. Florida losing Caglione and others.
That said, I don't see how MSU is heading to anything special next year. Portal sucks thus far. Pitching is ok-ish, got Pico, Ligon, Dotson, and maybe Loftin can finally play. There are some prospects on the mound. But only one dude is known to be good. People saying that Holcombe has no chance of returning.
If this was August instead of June I would be a bit concerned but as it is right now it's still June. No one knows what we or anyone else will have for that matter.
What we do know- based on history- is that we have the same fears about the portal every year, we miss on a Braden Montgomery and everyone melts down, and then at the end of the day we have met all of our portal needs and then we end up with a solid team at the end of the day. I think that's what the experts expect out of us at the moment at least that are making predictions. It seems like a lot of our fans expect Lemonis to fail and be fired while the experts expect us to be pretty good and that's quite a discrepancy.
We do need to get as many arms as we can. But if Parker is the wizard we all think he is then we should be fine next year with whatever it is that we end up with. And I find it really hard to believe that we completely crap out on pitchers in the portal.
Technically we have already filled the holes with our positional players through the portal plus guys that we have coming back so we're actually in some ways playing with house money at this point although we certainly need more.
C- Highfill/Powell
1B- Stahlman
2B- Reeves
3B- Frei
SS- Cupp
LF- Chance
CF- Pulliam
RF- Stevens
DH- Sullivan
That's probably our worst case scenario right now. Obviously I left off Mershon and Dante Nori.
I've already touched on pitching- but our rotation right now might be Simmons, Pico, and Stevens. Ligon and Gavin Black has been pitching pretty well in the Cape and we have Schuelke coming back too.
The reality is there is going to be a lot more turnover in college baseball when you have teams coveting seniors from the portal to make a run every year. We're not immune to that.
No BS Dawg
06-30-2024, 12:17 PM
If this was August instead of June I would be a bit concerned but as it is right now it's still June. No one knows what we or anyone else will have for that matter.
What we do know- based on history- is that we have the same fears about the portal every year, we miss on a Braden Montgomery and everyone melts down, and then at the end of the day we have met all of our portal needs and then we end up with a solid team at the end of the day. I think that's what the experts expect out of us at the moment at least that are making predictions. It seems like a lot of our fans expect Lemonis to fail and be fired while the experts expect us to be pretty good and that's quite a discrepancy.
We do need to get as many arms as we can. But if Parker is the wizard we all think he is then we should be fine next year with whatever it is that we end up with. And I find it really hard to believe that we completely crap out on pitchers in the portal.
Technically we have already filled the holes with our positional players through the portal plus guys that we have coming back so we're actually in some ways playing with house money at this point although we certainly need more.
C- Highfill/Powell
1B- Stahlman
2B- Reeves
3B- Frei
SS- Cupp
LF- Chance
CF- Pulliam
RF- Stevens
DH- Sullivan
That's probably our worst case scenario right now. Obviously I left off Mershon and Dante Nori.
I've already touched on pitching- but our rotation right now might be Simmons, Pico, and Stevens. Ligon and Gavin Black has been pitching pretty well in the Cape and we have Schuelke coming back too.
The reality is there is going to be a lot more turnover in college baseball when you have teams coveting seniors from the portal to make a run every year. We're not immune to that.
As always, really good stuff from you, Todd. I agree this would be serviceable, if it came down to it. Like you mentioned, we all are just hoping for some more quality pieces around the diamond. Whether or not that happens, time will tell. Right now we are well below the level of what we lost compared to what we got/have returning. Just one or two pieces to energize the program and fan base would be phenomenal.
maroonmania
06-30-2024, 02:22 PM
C- Highfill/Powell
1B- Stahlman
2B- Reeves
3B- Frei
SS- Cupp
LF- Chance
CF- Pulliam
RF- Stevens
DH- Sullivan
Would be lots of unknowns in that lineup for sure.
Todd4State
06-30-2024, 02:56 PM
Would be lots of unknowns in that lineup for sure.
Yes but I feel confident that some guys would emerge. Stevens is having a really good summer at the plate. Cupp I think will be better as well.
Not much different than last year when we had a lot of unknowns on the pitching staff.
And of course my scenario is worst case almost. If Mershon comes back it changes the lineup some. Same with Nori.
The biggest thing is we should be much more difficult to strike out next year. We'll see what that philosophy change does but it's very obvious to me that we are shifting our overall philosophy on the mound and at the plate compared to 2023. At the same time it doesn't appear that we are doing so by sacrificing power.
StateDawg44
06-30-2024, 03:36 PM
Yes but I feel confident that some guys would emerge. Stevens is having a really good summer at the plate. Cupp I think will be better as well.
Not much different than last year when we had a lot of unknowns on the pitching staff.
And of course my scenario is worst case almost. If Mershon comes back it changes the lineup some. Same with Nori.
The biggest thing is we should be much more difficult to strike out next year. We'll see what that philosophy change does but it's very obvious to me that we are shifting our overall philosophy on the mound and at the plate compared to 2023. At the same time it doesn't appear that we are doing so by sacrificing power.
What shows you that we have very obviously changed anything at all at the plate?
Pancho
06-30-2024, 03:50 PM
probably nothing other than these portal guys didn't strike out at a high rate last year. Can they still maintain that in an 0-2 count consistently?
Todd4State
06-30-2024, 04:06 PM
What shows you that we have very obviously changed anything at all at the plate?
The types of players we are recruiting. Every single one of them has more walks than K's or very close to it with low K numbers.
Three of the four portal recruits have 10 or more home runs as well. Most have decent stolen base numbers as well.
That's a different profile compared to Amani Larry, Conner Hujsack, and Logan Kohler for example.
It should in theory lead to more contact which will hopefully translate into a better performance in clutch situations like with runners in scoring position.
Cooterpoot
06-30-2024, 05:56 PM
The types of players we are recruiting. Every single one of them has more walks than K's or very close to it with low K numbers.
Three of the four portal recruits have 10 or more home runs as well. Most have decent stolen base numbers as well.
That's a different profile compared to Amani Larry, Conner Hujsack, and Logan Kohler for example.
It should in theory lead to more contact which will hopefully translate into a better performance in clutch situations like with runners in scoring position.
Contact hasn't been a problem for Gaut teams
Todd4State
06-30-2024, 09:35 PM
Contact hasn't been a problem for Gaut teams
It absolutely was a problem last year IMO. If you look at the advanced hitting stats we were in the middle of the pack of the league for most situational categories. So while they may not have been Barbay offense level putrid bad there is room for improvement in and of itself right there. Beyond that batting average could be misleading because sometimes with runners on base if you make contact and are recorded out it doesn't help your batting average- but you have a better chance of getting the run home. Our problem was we struck out way too much in clutch situations. Hence the lack of contact issues.
So with a lineup that cuts down on strike outs AND still has power it's going to improve our offense.
It also tells me that we weren't happy with our guys two strike approach last year in general. And this is how they are going to fix it. Lemonis even said in his press conference at the end of the regional that we were going to look for more talented hitters and here we are.
Edit to say- improve the offense even a little bit and maintain our pitching and defense numbers and we're a 20 win SEC team last year no question.
The Federalist Engineer
06-30-2024, 10:13 PM
LSU website saying Zach Root is considering LSU, Auburn, and Arkansas. We'll see I guess.
Ole Miss is losing their Duke transfer from last year. A 20HR kid is entering the portal, Andrew Fischer.
Todd4State
06-30-2024, 11:11 PM
LSU website saying Zach Root is considering LSU, Auburn, and Arkansas. We'll see I guess.
Ole Miss is losing their Duke transfer from last year. A 20HR kid is entering the portal, Andrew Fischer.
Fischer is rumored to be going to Tennessee.
Root- I don't know. Last I heard was Auburn but LSU wouldn't surprise me.
3dawgnight15
07-01-2024, 07:11 AM
I guess we don?t expect Brooks Auger back? He should have one more year.
Cooterpoot
07-01-2024, 07:44 AM
I guess we don?t expect Brooks Auger back? He should have one more year.
Not expected back
StarkVegasSteve
07-01-2024, 08:41 AM
I would look for us to get a couple of commits this week. We're on a big arm, not Root, that I expect will make a decision this week. We're also on a couple of other bats too to hedge our bats in case Nori opts to go pro.
The Federalist Engineer
07-01-2024, 09:27 AM
I would look for us to get a couple of commits this week. We're on a big arm, not Root, that I expect will make a decision this week. We're also on a couple of other bats too to hedge our bats in case Nori opts to go pro.
Who are the big arms left
Mason Koch is Auburn
Zach Root is LSU, Auburn, and Arkansas
Beatlejuice is Arkansas
LaPour is TCU
I see the William Mary and Long Beach pitchers not decided. The WM kid is a draft eligible Junior.
StarkVegasSteve
07-01-2024, 10:11 AM
Who are the big arms left
Mason Koch is Auburn
Zach Root is LSU, Auburn, and Arkansas
Beatlejuice is Arkansas
LaPour is TCU
I see the William Mary and Long Beach pitchers not decided. The WM kid is a draft eligible Junior.
Hungate at UVA. There's also Cade Fisher from Florida, who was incredible as a Freshman. Got hit some this year, but K numbers were still really high. I know we're on both heavily.
Todd4State
07-01-2024, 01:13 PM
I would look for us to get a couple of commits this week. We're on a big arm, not Root, that I expect will make a decision this week. We're also on a couple of other bats too to hedge our bats in case Nori opts to go pro.
Mancini and Ace Freely from Houston. I would like to have both.
StarkVegasSteve
07-01-2024, 01:25 PM
Mancini and Ace Freely from Houston. I would like to have both.
I am a lot more bullish on Mancini than the Houston kid, I assume you are talking about Ace Reese. A .278 avg with only 7 HRs does not really jump off the page at me. The OBP and OPS numbers are nice, but nothing really jumps off the page.
Tripp McNeely
07-01-2024, 02:00 PM
Mancini and Ace Freely from Houston. I would like to have both.
I think Ace Frehley best pitching days are in the rear view mirror...if he ever had any!
Commercecomet24
07-01-2024, 02:23 PM
I think Ace Frehley best pitching days are in the rear view mirror...if he ever had any!
Maybe so, but he could shred back in the day, lol!
StarkVegasSteve
07-01-2024, 02:27 PM
Transfer portal closes tomorrow. Don't be surprised to still see a big name or two jump in. Not from our program, but there's some noise with some other top programs about players jumping in last minute to negotiate a new deal.
I still think that's what the Fischer kid is doing at OM. I know Tennessee is heavily rumored, but I think the Fischer kid just wants more money from OM.
Cooterpoot
07-01-2024, 02:49 PM
Hungate at UVA. There's also Cade Fisher from Florida, who was incredible as a Freshman. Got hit some this year, but K numbers were still really high. I know we're on both heavily.
I think those are solid arms. I don't think they're as good as the two arms we lose from our rotation. Our rotation is going to take a step back. Fisher looks like a Parker special like Stephen to me though. Wouldn't complain.
StarkVegasSteve
07-01-2024, 03:08 PM
I think those are solid arms. I don't think they're as good as the two arms we lose from our rotation. Our rotation is going to take a step back. Fisher looks like a Parker special like Stephen to me though. Wouldn't complain.
His freshman year he was extremely good. Took a definite step back this year. Get him back though and he could be be a Saturday/Sunday starter for you.
BigDawg81
07-01-2024, 03:46 PM
It seems like Liam Doyle from Ole Miss is expected to enter the portal. I would like grab one of these if nothing else just to troll them.
StarkVegasSteve
07-01-2024, 03:57 PM
It seems like Liam Doyle from Ole Miss is expected to enter the portal. I would like grab one of these if nothing else just to troll them.
Looking at his stats, he either Ks the guy or gives up a hit. Walks are low and Ks are high, but gives up a ton of contact in between. He was at CCU before OM. I would imagine he goes back to the G5 level.
StarkVegasSteve
07-01-2024, 05:06 PM
Root to Arky. Knew we were probably not going to get him, but another miss for Lemonis and Parker in the portal. Not doing a whole lot to quiet the narrative. We need to see some commits this week, and impact commits at that, to calm down fans.
Todd4State
07-01-2024, 05:46 PM
Maybe so, but he could shred back in the day, lol!
If we get him his walk up song better be Dr. Love.
The Federalist Engineer
07-01-2024, 06:00 PM
Man! It's it fun to watch how other SEC schools haul in the portal. SEC! SEC!
BigDawg81
07-01-2024, 06:01 PM
Root to Arky. Knew we were probably not going to get him, but another miss for Lemonis and Parker in the portal. Not doing a whole lot to quiet the narrative. We need to see some commits this week, and impact commits at that, to calm down fans. I know the swing and miss was an issue for this team but the coaches are worse with the portal. Talking about runners in scoring position? Wow
preachermatt83
07-01-2024, 07:05 PM
Yall can paint the picture how ever you want but bottom line is Lemo is sucking it up again. As usual.
ZedFedder
07-01-2024, 07:14 PM
Yall can paint the picture how ever you want but bottom line is Lemo is sucking it up again. As usual.
I don?t usually agree with you, but this is simply the truth.
Cowbell
07-01-2024, 07:52 PM
Anybody that says Lemonis can recruit is just ignorant at this point. He means well and works hard but he just ain't good at it. No way around it. He is Jerry Jones in free agency.
msstate7
07-01-2024, 07:54 PM
Where can I find a list of our additions/subtractions?
Cowbell
07-01-2024, 07:56 PM
Where can I find a list of our additions/subtractions?
Local liquor stores have it posted on the front door to increase sales
StarkVegasSteve
07-01-2024, 08:14 PM
Mancini commits to Vandy. A miss, but not to the level of the pitchers we are missing on.
msstate7
07-01-2024, 08:28 PM
Local liquor stores have it posted on the front door to increase sales
Looks like I picked a good find to check out on baseball
maroonmania
07-01-2024, 09:05 PM
I know the swing and miss was an issue for this team but the coaches are worse with the portal. Talking about runners in scoring position? Wow
Maybe this thread should have the old Phil Collins song "I Missed Again" as its theme. 😞
KOdawg1
07-01-2024, 09:49 PM
I have zero confidence rn
Cooterpoot
07-01-2024, 11:46 PM
I am a lot more bullish on Mancini than the Houston kid, I assume you are talking about Ace Reese. A .278 avg with only 7 HRs does not really jump off the page at me. The OBP and OPS numbers are nice, but nothing really jumps off the page.
Mancini to Vandy....we've got such a joke of a staff. It's becoming damn near comical. We've whiffed on every damn body. I really hope this staff is gone this time next year.
StarkVegasSteve
07-02-2024, 08:02 AM
Mancini to Vandy....we've got such a joke of a staff. It's becoming damn near comical. We've whiffed on every damn body. I really hope this staff is gone this time next year.
Well like everyone has said, including Lemonis defenders, if he has another bad year next year then he is done. I am going to wait til August to see what we end up with. If it's bad I will just mentally check out. I'm not ever going to wish another bad season for our fans to have to sit through.
I will also add that the silence on who we are going after for the most part is hurting Lemonis. I get not wanting to reveal who all you are after, but when you are not getting anyone and you are revealing at least one or two names of who you are after then it makes it look like you are not just sitting on your hands. He needs to be leaking at least 1 in every 4 or 5 names that visit just to show he is actually on some good prospects and not look like he is just sitting in his office counting the days until he collects a severance check.
bulldogcountry1
07-02-2024, 08:32 AM
I just don't see how anyone can look at the state of things now and feel good about the future. The needle isn't moving.
StarkVegasSteve
07-02-2024, 08:39 AM
I just don't see how anyone can look at the state of things now and feel good about the future. The needle isn't moving.
It's not. And I would suspect that if we don't have a couple of commits from pitchers in the next 10-14 days then we are up a creek and just lost the paddle.
BigDawg81
07-02-2024, 08:41 AM
Well like everyone has said, including Lemonis defenders, if he has another bad year next year then he is done. I am going to wait til August to see what we end up with. If it's bad I will just mentally check out. I'm not ever going to wish another bad season for our fans to have to sit through.
I will also add that the silence on who we are going after for the most part is hurting Lemonis. I get not wanting to reveal who all you are after, but when you are not getting anyone and you are revealing at least one or two names of who you are after then it makes it look like you are not just sitting on your hands. He needs to be leaking at least 1 in every 4 or 5 names that visit just to show he is actually on some good prospects and not look like he is just sitting in his office counting the days until he collects a severance check.
Maybe needs to change the way the visits work. He might need to use a page from Lebby. The bright lights, photo shoot etc etc. it sure works for Lebby.
bulldogcountry1
07-02-2024, 09:15 AM
Maybe needs to change the way the visits work. He might need to use a page from Lebby. The bright lights, photo shoot etc etc. it sure works for Lebby.
At this point, it's just too late for Lemonis and staff to be "going back to the drawing board" about anything. He had to fight to keep his job last year, and that was really his last opportunity to pull out all the stops to clean things up and adapt to the new NIL and portal landscape. What has changed? It doesn't seem like anything has. Lemonis still runs the program like it's the CIA, and you can't talk about anything.
StarkVegasSteve
07-02-2024, 09:27 AM
Thatcher Hurd into the portal. I still remember the gnashing of teeth when we didn't get him or Christian Little. I would be willing to take a shot at Hurd, but he entered with a do not contact tag so sounds like he knows where he is going. I would imagine he is headed back out West.
StarkVegasSteve
07-02-2024, 09:30 AM
At this point, it's just too late for Lemonis and staff to be "going back to the drawing board" about anything. He had to fight to keep his job last year, and that was really his last opportunity to pull out all the stops to clean things up and adapt to the new NIL and portal landscape. What has changed? It doesn't seem like anything has. Lemonis still runs the program like it's the CIA, and you can't talk about anything.
Again, I have stated the entire time that I will wait until August to judge and I am going to stick by that. I am not going to sit here and say I am not concerned or worried, but I am going to reserve judgement until the end.
StarkVegasSteve
07-02-2024, 09:59 AM
Commit incoming. This will ease some concerns. Not all, but some.
BigDawg81
07-02-2024, 10:06 AM
Commit incoming. This will ease some concerns. Not all, but some.hopefully a possible weekend starter on the mound
StarkVegasSteve
07-02-2024, 10:08 AM
hopefully a possible weekend starter on the mound
I expect it to be a weekend starter caliber pitcher. Have heard conflicting stuff this morning though. Could be another bat.
BigDawg81
07-02-2024, 10:13 AM
I expect it to be a weekend starter caliber pitcher. Have heard conflicting stuff this morning though. Could be another bat.if it?s a pitcher, I could probably narrow it down to who it is. Hahaha
KOdawg1
07-02-2024, 10:18 AM
Feels like it's Ace Reese. Decent get.
Not a game changer though.
StarkVegasSteve
07-02-2024, 10:21 AM
Feels like it's Ace Reese. Decent get.
Not a game changer though.
He is. A little bit of a letdown though tbh. We need pitchers right now over hitters.
BigDawg81
07-02-2024, 10:24 AM
Feels like it's Ace Reese. Decent get.
Not a game changer though. Houston DH? The best thing to me is that he is only a freshman.
StarkVegasSteve
07-02-2024, 10:28 AM
Houston DH? The best thing to me is that he is only a freshman.
Yea we're not sure if THIS one is him, but I do feel pretty good about our chances of getting him
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