View Full Version : Elitedawgs has fired Lemon 3 times this season, pearl-clutched over RPI
Coach34
05-04-2024, 06:26 PM
and whined about us falling into the depths of SEC baseball hell.....
Yet here we are at 14-9 in the SEC- currently 1.5 games behind the #1 team in the country in conference, about to be ranked inside the Top 15 in the country and sporting a 17 RPI.
That's Baseball!!
Santiago
05-04-2024, 06:40 PM
Why do you do this BS?
Just enjoy the win.
SaintDawg
05-04-2024, 06:43 PM
I will admit I was in the camp of kicking Lemonis to the curb. Foxhall was the problem. I want to see good game management from here on out and we’ll get it. Lessons have been learned. I’m excited to see what goes down the next couple weeks.
3dawgnight15
05-04-2024, 06:46 PM
If ?Big Country? would pitch like you predicted, we?d be a national seed.
Coach34
05-04-2024, 06:48 PM
If ?Big Country? would pitch like you predicted, we?d be a national seed.
or Dohm stayed healthy
RockyDog
05-04-2024, 06:55 PM
or Dohm stayed healthy
Or the Miami pitcher who was a portal whiff. Thank goodness for Purdue, who many on this board claimed could only pitch meatballs down the middle of the plate earlier in the season.
Coach34
05-04-2024, 07:11 PM
Or the Miami pitcher who was a portal whiff. Thank goodness for Purdue, who many on this board claimed could only pitch meatballs down the middle of the plate earlier in the season.
You serious?
Ligon has thrown 11.1 SEC innings allowing 1 ER. We dont throw him enough. He walks too many right now but is getting better. I think he develops into one of our top guys next year
CaptainObvious
05-04-2024, 07:11 PM
Congratulations Bulldogs on another Series win! If Kohler and Larry are turning the corner now, there is no excuse for Lemonis not to get this team in the CWS Finals with a chance to win it since he is no doubt the best damn coach in America!!!
The Federalist Engineer
05-04-2024, 08:00 PM
The Foxhall pitchfork mafia was right. It took Lemons two seasons to see what we saw even in 2021. Was totally clear by 2022.
Right now MSU is achieving minimum expected program results, this is a good. Let us rejoice and be glad.
MaroonFlounder
05-04-2024, 08:18 PM
The coach I wanted gone was Gaut. The majority of the lineup was having consistently awful at-bats.
But...he seems to have had a positive effect on a few guys that has made a difference.
Pulliam finally getting the call to start. Hunter is mashing now. Kohler has found something. Chance is a difficult out.
Larry may be more comfortable down in the order.
RockyDog
05-04-2024, 08:27 PM
The Foxhall pitchfork mafia was right. It took Lemons two seasons to see what we saw even in 2021. Was totally clear by 2022.
Right now MSU is achieving minimum expected program results, this is a good. Let us rejoice and be glad.
Get out of here with that mess. 14-9 with 7 games to go is “minimum expected program results”? We have had 17 or more wins in the SEC only 8 times since the year 2000 and Lemons has 2 of those. We have a shot at a 19-11 or 20-10 season which is remarkable with this bunch.
Todd4State
05-04-2024, 09:30 PM
The Foxhall pitchfork mafia was right. It took Lemons two seasons to see what we saw even in 2021. Was totally clear by 2022.
Right now MSU is achieving minimum expected program results, this is a good. Let us rejoice and be glad.
I pulled my pitchfork out during the Tulane series in 2022. I have a feeling Foxhall would have been fired a year sooner had he not won National Assistant of the Year.
Todd4State
05-04-2024, 09:40 PM
The coach I wanted gone was Gaut. The majority of the lineup was having consistently awful at-bats.
But...he seems to have had a positive effect on a few guys that has made a difference.
Pulliam finally getting the call to start. Hunter is mashing now. Kohler has found something. Chance is a difficult out.
Larry may be more comfortable down in the order.
Gautreau- while I don't agree with his approach early in the year which appears to have suddenly changed to what I would want to see us do the past two weeks- his side of the ball hasn't warranted change like Foxhall. Maybe he has had a change of heart or maybe our guys are going to some swing hitting guru in the offseason that is changing their approach and Gautreau has to go back and fix it- I don't know.
I think the best thing to do is in the offseason hire a hitting analyst that knows how to use Campbell's offensive approach and implement it and then use Gautreau for trouble shooting and recruiting. I don't like Gautreau's let them fail and then fix it approach. That's how you start the season off slow and hurt the confidence of the players. If hitting analyst can implement things early on then I think it would solve most of our issues while also increasing our offensive production.
Campbell's approach is basically use the whole field and get on base by any means necessary- HBP, walk, hit, home run, bunt single- it doesn't matter. Use speed to create chaos on the base- steal, hit and run, etc. And then at the same time have power hitters who can do major damage. They also adjust pitching machines to help adjust to pitchers who aren't high velo guys when they are playing someone that is a mid 80's guy so that when they face them they are better prepared and they avoid a MSU-Austin Peay situation.
TNDawg35
05-04-2024, 10:38 PM
Gautreau- while I don't agree with his approach early in the year which appears to have suddenly changed to what I would want to see us do the past two weeks- his side of the ball hasn't warranted change like Foxhall. Maybe he has had a change of heart or maybe our guys are going to some swing hitting guru in the offseason that is changing their approach and Gautreau has to go back and fix it- I don't know.
I think the best thing to do is in the offseason hire a hitting analyst that knows how to use Campbell's offensive approach and implement it and then use Gautreau for trouble shooting and recruiting. I don't like Gautreau's let them fail and then fix it approach. That's how you start the season off slow and hurt the confidence of the players. If hitting analyst can implement things early on then I think it would solve most of our issues while also increasing our offensive production.
Campbell's approach is basically use the whole field and get on base by any means necessary- HBP, walk, hit, home run, bunt single- it doesn't matter. Use speed to create chaos on the base- steal, hit and run, etc. And then at the same time have power hitters who can do major damage. They also adjust pitching machines to help adjust to pitchers who aren't high velo guys when they are playing someone that is a mid 80's guy so that when they face them they are better prepared and they avoid a MSU-Austin Peay situation.
I have noticed Gotro being more active in the dugout after at bats and stuff. Maybe something was said to him. He used to not do shit but sit around and take notes. Now he is meeting hitters coming off the field and talking...
Todd4State
05-04-2024, 11:02 PM
I have noticed Gotro being more active in the dugout after at bats and stuff. Maybe something was said to him. He used to not do shit but sit around and take notes. Now he is meeting hitters coming off the field and talking...
Perhaps. I don't know what happens behind closed doors. I'm 99% sure that Lemonis warned Foxhall that if things didn't get better he would make a move. There's that meme that is popular with a very obviously angry Lemonis talking to Foxhall in the dugout during the Auburn series right before we fired Foxhall.
Lemonis does have a hitting background so he could have very well told him to get to work or go to Auburn.
The Federalist Engineer
05-05-2024, 01:28 AM
I pulled my pitchfork out during the Tulane series in 2022. I have a feeling Foxhall would have been fired a year sooner had he not won National Assistant of the Year.
I think Fox would not be fired at all in the 2023 season unless the most influential fans/booster/doners not directly intervened. Outside of Gambling Brad Bohanon and Sexting Cannizarro, I don't recall in-season baseball firings. I'm probably too MSU focused on that perspective. Also, seems that Head Coaches and PCs are hard-bonded unless the PC gets a HC job. Wes Johnson left us for Arkansas and it was for a PC/Head Coach in waiting scheme, no? Wes left many PC jobs, on his own terms.
Jay Powell and Jim Ellis openly derided the pitching approach and Jay Powell finally said, paraphrased, "this is hard to watch". He even complained that players were regressing and unrecognizable, specifically about Landon Gartman.
Seems the MSU Fan Mafia orchestrated this Coup d'Etat. Most other schools or fan-bases would have an "Aw Shucks" attitude about baseball pitching coaches. But not us, cold blooded bastards, MSU people stormed the Bastille.
Commercecomet24
05-05-2024, 02:01 AM
I think Fox would not be fired at all in the 2023 season unless the most influential fans/booster/doners not directly intervened. Outside of Gambling Brad Bohanon and Sexting Cannizarro, I don't recall in-season baseball firings. I'm probably too MSU focused on that perspective. Also, seems that Head Coaches and PCs are hard-bonded unless the PC gets a HC job. Wes Johnson left us for Arkansas and it was for a PC/Head Coach in waiting scheme, no? Wes left many PC jobs, on his own terms.
Jay Powell and Jim Ellis openly derided the pitching approach and Jay Powell finally said, paraphrased, "this is hard to watch". He even complained that players were regressing and unrecognizable, specifically about Landon Gartman.
Seems the MSU Fan Mafia orchestrated this Coup d'Etat. Most other schools or fan-bases would have an "Aw Shucks" attitude about baseball pitching coaches. But not us, cold blooded bastards, MSU people stormed the Bastille.
Powell was right and especially on Gartman. I've watched that kid pitch since he was a young un. He had a heavy 2 seamer and got lots of ground balls. We tried to make him a 4 seam pitcher and pitch up in the zone. Landon was 92-93, which was great velo for a heavy 2 seamer, but not great to consistently pitch up in the zone. Like you said he was not the same pitcher I had watched for years, "unrecognizable".
Hot Rock
05-05-2024, 07:12 AM
You serious?
Ligon has thrown 11.1 SEC innings allowing 1 ER. We dont throw him enough. He walks too many right now but is getting better. I think he develops into one of our top guys next year
Dammit. You have to bring facts?
msudawg1200
05-05-2024, 08:51 AM
Why do you do this BS?
Just enjoy the win.
Because he is a narcissistic sociopath
Pinto
05-05-2024, 10:04 AM
I still want Lemon gone. He pulled the trick off this year, but it was due to the rise of Johnny Long. Long knew this team needed leadership and the coach ain?t going to give it so Long stepped up.
In college you need a coach like Polk or cohen. Everyone knows who the leader is and to toe the line. As the old saying goes, ?Polk wore #1 to let everyone on the team know who was the 1.?
No rise of Long and this team would be like the last two years.
tcdog70
05-05-2024, 10:11 AM
He should have been fired last year
viverlibre
05-05-2024, 10:28 AM
I still want Lemon gone. He pulled the trick off this year, but it was due to the rise of Johnny Long. Long knew this team needed leadership and the coach ain?t going to give it so Long stepped up.
In college you need a coach like Polk.
WFT? Has anyone underachieved more? He had everything to in place in win multiple natties. In a time when truly no one cared about college baseball and he had tons more resources than any other program.
THE Bruce Dickinson
05-05-2024, 10:37 AM
Long? Really ?
He's batting .233 and has 1 homerun. Yet his "leadership" has disguised Lemonis from another bad season? Long has lost us 2 big league games that could have us challenging for the SEC title.
The Lemonis hate has really blinded some of you. We are having a good season and peaking at the correct time.
I am also as much of a critic of C34 as anyone, but he starts these threads because every time someone gets thrown out at third base there is a 5 page thread cursing the coaching staff.
Coach34
05-05-2024, 12:10 PM
WFT? Has anyone underachieved more? He had everything to in place in win multiple natties. In a time when truly no one cared about college baseball and he had tons more resources than any other program.
Exactly. Polk is the Underachiever of all time
msudawg1200
05-05-2024, 02:53 PM
WFT? Has anyone underachieved more? He had everything to in place in win multiple natties. In a time when truly no one cared about college baseball and he had tons more resources than any other program.
True. Polk should've won at least 2, maybe 3, nattys, but "that's baseball".
Quaoarsking
05-05-2024, 03:54 PM
I don't think it's "pearl clutching" to point out that smart scheduling would have us very likely to host, when instead we're still a longshot.
KOdawg1
05-05-2024, 04:30 PM
I don't think it's "pearl clutching" to point out that smart scheduling would have us very likely to host, when instead we're still a longshot.
Not really a long shot. Win 1 at Arky and 2 vs Mizzou and we're right there. Sweep Mizzou and it's likely
CaptainObvious
05-05-2024, 04:54 PM
I don't think it's "pearl clutching" to point out that smart scheduling would have us very likely to host, when instead we're still a longshot.
Crap! Imagine how bad our non-conference record would be if we had played a tough schedule!
Pancho
05-05-2024, 05:00 PM
at least they blow the base running in a blow out loss****** sure looks elementary and evidently lemo does not focus on this aspect of the game. maybe he's been covered up refocusing the team so Long doesn't have to do it alone. congrats on 2 wins
basedog
05-05-2024, 05:02 PM
I wish we had the answer for a third starter. More so playing in a regional and we lose a game.
We should and I think we will win a game at Arkansas, the Friday night game should be interesting. Pitching will be fun to watch by both starters.
CaptainObvious
05-05-2024, 05:03 PM
I don't think it's "pearl clutching" to point out that smart scheduling would have us very likely to host, when instead we're still a longshot.
Crap! Imagine how bad our non-conference record would be if we had played a tough schedule!
State82
05-05-2024, 05:17 PM
maybe he's been covered up refocusing the team so Long doesn't have to do it alone.
Well played.
Saltydog
05-05-2024, 05:18 PM
After losing today I think you're gonna have to win two at Upig and min. 2 and possibly 3 vs. Mizzou. Remember, even a win vs. UNA is gonna drag down our RPI and Mizzou does us no favors either.
Plus, they're not going to want to give another southern team a host site.
Here's what D1 projected as of Friday.
aTM
Arkansas
Clemson
Tennessee
Kentucky
North Carolina
Florida State
East Carolina
Oregon State
South Carolina
Indiana State
Virginia
Duke
Oklahoma State
UC Santa Barbara
Oklahoma
Plus, UGA sweeping Vandy this weekend could put them in a position to steal a host over USCe. Either way, it's going to be extremely tough for us to steal a host bid.
Quaoarsking
05-05-2024, 05:19 PM
Not really a long shot. Win 1 at Arky and 2 vs Mizzou and we're right there. Sweep Mizzou and it's likely
I don't think this is right. At 17-13, our RPI will most likely be in the mid-20s.
At 18-12, our RPI will be around 20, and we're at least in the conversation, but even then it's iffy.
Quaoarsking
05-05-2024, 05:20 PM
After losing today I think you're gonna have to win two at Upig and min. 2 and possibly 3 vs. Mizzou. Remember, even a win vs. UNA is gonna drag down our RPI and Mizzou does us no favors either.
Plus, they're not going to want to give another southern team a host site.
Here's what D1 projected as of Friday.
aTM
Arkansas
Clemson
Tennessee
Kentucky
North Carolina
Florida State
East Carolina
Oregon State
South Carolina
Indiana State
Virginia
Duke
Oklahoma State
UC Santa Barbara
Oklahoma
Plus, UGA sweeping Vandy this weekend could put them in a position to steal a host over USCe. Either way, it's going to be extremely tough for us to steal a host bid.
Everything you said was correct, except the bolded. The selection committee has no anti-SEC or anti-South bias in regional host selections.
Remember 2016? All 16 host sites were in the "South" (assuming you count Lubbock, TX, as Southern).
2018 - 14 of 16 host sites in the South
2019 - 13 of 16 host sites in the South
2022 - 14 of 16 host sites in the South (if you count Maryland, which is admittedly a stretch)
2023 - 14 of 16 host sites in the South, and 8 in the SEC
Saltydog
05-05-2024, 05:42 PM
I'm saying that in relation to Oklahoma and Oklahoma State. I don't consider them "south".
KOdawg1
05-05-2024, 05:51 PM
I don't think this is right. At 17-13, our RPI will most likely be in the mid-20s.
At 18-12, our RPI will be around 20, and we're at least in the conversation, but even then it's iffy.
Our RPI is 18 now. Winning one at Arky and 2 vs Mizzou wouldn't have us in the mid 20s. It would probably be mid to low teens. Which like I said, puts us in the discussion
basedog
05-05-2024, 06:43 PM
Just win, things always work out.
Coach34
05-05-2024, 06:58 PM
Everything you said was correct, except the bolded. The selection committee has no anti-SEC or anti-South bias in regional host selections.
Remember 2016? All 16 host sites were in the "South" (assuming you count Lubbock, TX, as Southern).
2018 - 14 of 16 host sites in the South
2019 - 13 of 16 host sites in the South
2022 - 14 of 16 host sites in the South (if you count Maryland, which is admittedly a stretch)
2023 - 14 of 16 host sites in the South, and 8 in the SEC
Or ELO ranking is 12. A win at UPig and 2/3 from Mizzou and we host.
Quaoarsking
05-05-2024, 07:25 PM
Or ELO ranking is 12. A win at UPig and 2/3 from Mizzou and we host.
Nobody cares about our "ELO ranking" is. I just made up my own QK ranking and put us at #1, and it will mean just as much.
I can't guarantee anything the committee will decide, but it would be very out-of-character for them to give us a hosting bid if we finish 17-13 and an RPI around 25. There's no reason to expect that.
Commercecomet24
05-05-2024, 07:31 PM
Just win, things always work out.
I'm with Base. I know I'm old and hard for me to understand all the new fangled computer rankings and such. Just win!
Get off my lawn!
KOdawg1
05-05-2024, 07:35 PM
Nobody cares about our "ELO ranking" is. I just made up my own QK ranking and put us at #1, and it will mean just as much.
I can't guarantee anything the committee will decide, but it would be very out-of-character for them to give us a hosting bid if we finish 17-13 and an RPI around 25. There's no reason to expect that.
ELO is a valid metric that they're using this year. But go off
FISHDAWG
05-05-2024, 07:52 PM
and whined about us falling into the depths of SEC baseball hell.....
Yet here we are at 14-9 in the SEC- currently 1.5 games behind the #1 team in the country in conference, about to be ranked inside the Top 15 in the country and sporting a 17 RPI.
That's Baseball!!
lol ... keep bringing it Coach 🍻
Quaoarsking
05-05-2024, 08:25 PM
ELO is a valid metric that they're using this year. But go off
Is it? I dont see any source confirming that. I did see where the selection committee will be provided the KPI rankings, but not as a replacement for RPI. I don't see any news story about the committee using Elo ratings this year.
basedog
05-05-2024, 08:40 PM
I'm with Base. I know I'm old and hard for me to understand all the new fangled computer rankings and such. Just win!
Get off my lawn!
I don't understand or get this RPI stuff. Announcers were talking about some Sec schools and how good their RPI looked. If u look at Ole Dixie, Lsu, Florida and Bama, no way two and maybe 3 of those teams should have high RPI in my opinion. Take Florida they are one game over .500, they have been getting beat, same with those others with bad Sec records. Why do teams get rewarded when they lose? I don't care who they play.
Oh I know what many are saying, Sec is best conference, I agree but still listening to announcers saying a 10-14 sec with good RPI looks good? Bull I say! I also don't think 13 wins in Sec should get a team in tourney. I see 9 teams, but it's just my opinion.
Coach34
05-05-2024, 09:04 PM
Base- Mississippi was the last team to make the Tourney in 2022- and they won it. Their RPI got them in
RPI is their mane metric now
basedog
05-05-2024, 09:09 PM
Base- Mississippi was the last team to make the Tourney in 2022- and they won it
RPI is their mane metric now
I understand, I just don’t like the rpi thingy. The eye test tells me neither ole Dixie or LSU deserve to be in 64. But the Sec is the difference.
I actually don’t think neither will make it. Neither should Florida with 24-23 record. Bama has a better chance I think than those 3.
Coach34
05-05-2024, 10:19 PM
I understand, I just don’t like the rpi thingy. The eye test tells me neither ole Dixie or LSU deserve to be in 64. But the Sec is the difference.
I actually don’t think neither will make it. Neither should Florida with 24-23 record. Bama has a better chance I think than those 3.
Shit Base- u talking Bama not making the Tourney??? They are a borderline Host now. They will 100% be in the Tourney
Todd4State
05-05-2024, 10:29 PM
Base- Mississippi was the last team to make the Tourney in 2022- and they won it. Their RPI got them in
RPI is their mane metric now
It's not end all be all. Auburn hosted last year with a RPI of 29 and 17 wins.
Our RPI right now is 18. They're also rumored to be going to use a new metric this year that we rank much higher in than we do in RPI.
The Federalist Engineer
05-05-2024, 10:34 PM
Exactly. Polk is the Underachiever of all time
MSU has won 11 SEC titles, but only 1 since 1989. That was 2016.
(1) Polk 1.0 won 4 SECs , No NC, 21 seasons, only 1 SEC title after 1980.
(2) Polk 2.0 won 0 SECs, No NC, One Omaha, 6 horror seasons and 1 lucky season
Polk 1.0 for National Championships had a very shitty regional format in the 70s and early 80s. USC and Arizona State could make Omaha every year just beating schools like Air Force, Hawaii, and Portland State. MSU had to win the SEC, just to make a regional. Today an 11th place SEC school can make a regional. In the 70s, South Carolina, Arkansas, New Orleans, Florida State, and Miami could make regionals as Indy Programs nearly every year. SEC seems to have one or two teams per year. There was even a dedicated regional for a Big 10 and Northeast Schools, so Ohio State and St John's could make Omaha. Total shit for SEC programs. For the youngsters, Arkansas and South Carolina are not real SEC schools. They were a mistake from the mid-90s. Should have added Duke and North Carolina or Florida State and Texas.
Also during Polk 1.0, seems Polk let LSU and Bertman surpass MSU on his watch, man had no eye for threats. LSU before 1976, had no baseball pedigree. LSU had 0 SEC championships, 1 Regional, and never been to Omaha. He let the drug dealers and Juicers in Baton Rouge build a juggernaut. By the 1990s, we had Jon Harden pitching lob-balls to Lyle Mouton and other Steroid Kids at LSU. MSU was the 100% underdog.
To me, Polk 2.0 destroyed his legacy. Bianco drank his milkshake and USM became ok via feasting on MSU's odd ball recruiting. The SEC all caught up with MSU by Polk 2. If not for Greg Byrne, Ron Polk was trying to install Tommy Raffo as HC. Had this happened, MSU baseball would be a zombie program today. It took Cohen 5 years to bring things back to life.
Also Polk had his crazy camp oriented recruiting. Cal State Fullerton and Miami probably scouted their regional elite teams. Took players from local mid majors, because it was allowed by the rules. Seems our boy Polk probably wanted to be Mr College Baseball, executive of coach committees, and coach team USA more than winning titles for MSU. Why the hell was he sending hand typed birthday and get-well letters to other people's players, who has that kind of time? 50% of grandparents won't do that. Finally, the man retired but there rumors that he micromanaged Pat McMahon and made him want to leave. Does not make sense that after 20 years at MSU, McMahon suddenly longed for Florida.
Sounds like I hate Polk, I don't, just agreeing that Polk inherited a leading program in the SEC and left it in last place by 2009.
Quaoarsking
05-05-2024, 10:36 PM
It's not end all be all. Auburn hosted last year with a RPI of 29 and 17 wins.
Our RPI right now is 18. They're also rumored to be going to use a new metric this year that we rank much higher in than we do in RPI.
Last year, Auburn's RPI was 15 at the end of the regular season and fell to 19 by the end of the SEC Tournament. It didn't fall to 29 until after they went 0-2 in their regional. Honestly, these RPI archive sites shouldn't keep calculating RPI after the NCAA Tournament starts, since RPI is only a tool for ranking teams for the purpose of NCAA Tournament selection and seeding.
Todd4State
05-05-2024, 10:45 PM
MSU has won 11 SEC titles, but only 1 since 1989. That was 2016.
(1) Polk 1.0 won 4 SECs , No NC, 21 seasons, only 1 SEC title after 1980.
(2) Polk 2.0 won 0 SECs, No NC, One Omaha, 6 horror seasons and 1 lucky season
Polk 1.0 for National Championships had a very shitty regional format in the 70s and early 80s. USC and Arizona State could make Omaha every year just beating schools like Air Force, Hawaii, and Portland State. MSU had to win the SEC, just to make a regional. Today an 11th place SEC school can make a regional. In the 70s, South Carolina, Arkansas, New Orleans, Florida State, and Miami could make regionals as Indy Programs nearly every year. SEC seems to have one or two teams per year. There was even a dedicated regional for a Big 10 and Northeast Schools, so Ohio State and St John's could make Omaha. Total shit for SEC programs. For the youngsters, Arkansas and South Carolina are not real SEC schools. They were a mistake from the mid-90s. Should have added Duke and North Carolina or Florida State and Texas.
Also during Polk 1.0, seems Polk let LSU and Bertman surpass MSU on his watch, man had no eye for threats. LSU before 1976, had no baseball pedigree. LSU had 0 SEC championships, 1 Regional, and never been to Omaha. He let the drug dealers and Juicers in Baton Rouge build a juggernaut. By the 1990s, we had Jon Harden pitching lob-balls to Lyle Mouton and other Steroid Kids at LSU. MSU was the 100% underdog.
To me, Polk 2.0 destroyed his legacy. Bianco drank his milkshake and USM became ok via feasting on MSU's odd ball recruiting. The SEC all caught up with MSU by Polk 2. If not for Greg Byrne, Ron Polk was trying to install Tommy Raffo as HC. Had this happened, MSU baseball would be a zombie program today. It took Cohen 5 years to bring things back to life.
Also Polk had his crazy camp oriented recruiting. Cal State Fullerton and Miami probably scouted their regional elite teams. Took players from local mid majors, because it was allowed by the rules. Seems our boy Polk probably wanted to be Mr College Baseball, executive of coach committees, and coach team USA more than winning titles for MSU. Why the hell was he sending hand typed birthday and get-well letters to other people's players, who has that kind of time? 50% of grandparents won't do that. Finally, the man retired but there rumors that he micromanaged Pat McMahon and made him want to leave. Does not make sense that after 20 years at MSU, McMahon suddenly longed for Florida.
Sounds like I hate Polk, I don't, just agreeing that Polk inherited a leading program in the SEC and left it in last place by 2009.
Well said.
Todd4State
05-05-2024, 10:51 PM
Here's the thing about Polk and the 80's. The SEC wasn't what it was today in the 80's. State and LSU became relevant to at the same time but we were ahead of LSU by a few years.
NO SEC team had ever won a NC until Georgia did it in 1990. I imagine that if we built a time machine and kidnapped 1979 Ron Polk in his early prime and made him our head coach today there is no question in my mind that peak Ron Polk would have won National Championships in today's environment.
We didn't even win our first game in Omaha until 1979. And really I'm not sure that a NC was a realistic goal for our program until 1984-1985. Things really began to shift to the SEC in the 1990's but it didn't really completely take over until around 2010 when South Carolina was winning NC's.
Todd4State
05-05-2024, 10:52 PM
Last year, Auburn's RPI was 15 at the end of the regular season and fell to 19 by the end of the SEC Tournament. It didn't fall to 29 until after they went 0-2 in their regional. Honestly, these RPI archive sites shouldn't keep calculating RPI after the NCAA Tournament starts, since RPI is only a tool for ranking teams for the purpose of NCAA Tournament selection and seeding.
Fair enough but as it is our RPI is well within range of what it needs to be.
basedog
05-06-2024, 07:59 AM
Shit Base- u talking Bama not making the Tourney??? They are a borderline Host now. They will 100% be in the Tourney
I said they have the best chance, not sure who they have left on schedule, they are a good hitting team, not sure their pitching can hold up.
Coach34
05-06-2024, 09:39 AM
I said they have the best chance, not sure who they have left on schedule, they are a good hitting team, not sure their pitching can hold up.
They are certainly a flawed team but most of us are.
basedog
05-06-2024, 09:56 AM
They are certainly a flawed team but most of us are.
I read about there Coach, seems to be a good hire.
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