Lemonhaters bout to be big mad

[Coach34]

RPI up to 24
We have figured out the back end of the pitching staff
We are Top 5 of the SEC (remember all that "State standard" talk?)

We win the Bama series
We avoid a sweep at UPig
We win the Mizzou series

We will host. Even if we **** up and dont host- we will be a top 2 seed in the Tourney and nobody wants us in their Regional

I cant wait to bump me some threads to make sure we get all the great takes on Lemon at the end of the month

[Skydawg1]

We're taking 2 at UPIG.

[CaptainObvious]

Mississippi State baseball team is better. Lemonis still sux!

[Todd4State]

It really was the pitching coach the whole time. Parker really managed the staff well tonight. I was impressed.

First five innings were from guys coming off of injuries.

Brought in Schulke to get out of a jam against a RH hitter. Then brought in Tyler Davis when Schulke was losing command. Hardin looked like his typical self and shut the door with little fanfare.

Could have been a shut out except for the home run allowed which was a towering fly ball that barely got out.

[Todd4State]

Being critical though- I would like to see us add an offensive analyst this offseason from Campbell to kind of change our offensive philosophy some. Hoping to add more power which honestly has been the second biggest issue besides the bullpen. Also hoping for more havoc on the bases- more HBP, stealing, bunting for hits and etc. We saw tonight what havoc on the basepaths can do- Hujsack gets hit by a pitch and then when they try to pick him off he gets to third and then a ground ball gets him home.

[BrunswickDawg]

It really was the pitching coach the whole time. Parker really managed the staff well tonight. I was impressed.

First five innings were from guys coming off of injuries.

Brought in Schulke to get out of a jam against a RH hitter. Then brought in Tyler Davis when Schulke was losing command. Hardin looked like his typical self and shut the door with little fanfare.

Could have been a shut out except for the home run allowed which was a towering fly ball that barely got out.

Pico also showed he can go against SEC hitters just fine. He's not a Friday night guy, but as we've seen having a solid Sunday guy can be just as important in the game today.

[PMDawg]

Don't hate him.

Not mad (enjoying the season).

Still not convinced he's the long term solution.

This is what you don't understand - all of these things can be true at the same time. He'll be back next year, and (gasp!) he'll continue to be evaluated by both the fans and the administration on his annual results.

[StateDawg44]

Being critical though- I would like to see us add an offensive analyst this offseason from Campbell to kind of change our offensive philosophy some. Hoping to add more power which honestly has been the second biggest issue besides the bullpen. Also hoping for more havoc on the bases- more HBP, stealing, bunting for hits and etc. We saw tonight what havoc on the basepaths can do- Hujsack gets hit by a pitch and then when they try to pick him off he gets to third and then a ground ball gets him home.

It was a wild pitch and him busting ass that got him to 3rd.

[Santiago]

Don't hate him.

Not mad (enjoying the season).

Still not convinced he's the long term solution.

This is what you don't understand - all of these things can be true at the same time. He'll be back next year, and (gasp!) he'll continue to be evaluated by both the fans and the administration on his annual results.

Agree with this. No hate at all for anyone.
Parker is clearly the difference maker in 2024 for MSU baseball. So for any time someone gives Lemonis credit for a game that was 1-1 in the 8th, they really should be giving all the credit to Parker.

Keep Parker at all costs.

[StarkVegasSteve]

OM lost the game last night exactly how we would lose games last year. Passed ball gets away and runner takes two bases, 1B boots the backend of a double play to end the inning, walk, 2 RBI double.

[StarkVegasSteve]

As for Lemonis, I still do not believe he's the long term solution, but we're playing winning baseball and since he's the manager, he gets the credit for that. You also have to give him credit for finding guys like Hujsak out of the portal or Mershon in recruiting.

[Cooterpoot]

RPI up to 24
We have figured out the back end of the pitching staff
We are Top 5 of the SEC (remember all that "State standard" talk?)

We win the Bama series
We avoid a sweep at UPig
We win the Mizzou series

We will host. Even if we **** up and dont host- we will be a top 2 seed in the Tourney and nobody wants us in their Regional

I cant wait to bump me some threads to make sure we get all the great takes on Lemon at the end of the month

I really don't think we scare many teams. We're a pretty average SEC team but the SEC is generally strong. Our bats don't scare too many and pitching still has some issues. I still think we need to sweep one, win one, and not crap the bed to host. I do laugh at Kendall, as he's the one who said we had to win out to host. If we figure out the bullpen issues and the three god awful hitters get going, then we might be scary.

[Santiago]

As for Lemonis, I still do not believe he's the long term solution, but we're playing winning baseball and since he's the manager, he gets the credit for that. You also have to give him credit for finding guys like Hujsak out of the portal or Mershon in recruiting.

How good is Mershon's brother? He is going to South Carolina next year, right?
Some of this, I think MSU recruits itself sometimes as a top 20 recruiting class.
I still have doubts on Lemonis rebuilding the team next year.

[DawgFromOxford]

Don't hate him.

Not mad (enjoying the season).

Still not convinced he's the long term solution.

This is what you don't understand - all of these things can be true at the same time. He'll be back next year, and (gasp!) he'll continue to be evaluated by both the fans and the administration on his annual results.

This. The results of the past 3 weeks don?t negate the results the of the past 2.5 years. But the past few weeks have been way more fun to be a fan of.

I hope what we?ve been seeing recently is Lemonis figuring it out and not just a fluke. Time will tell.

[Cooterpoot]

Lemonis issues: Recruiting, slow to adjust, push back at fans which makes enemies

I don't think he's a bad coach per se, I just think he's got a lot of Croom like issues. He'd rather beat his head against a wall than do what everyone can see needs to be done. The recruiting hasnt been up to par at all. We struggle with the portal minus one or two lesser rated guys a year really. The class coming is weak without the draft guys. We hit on one or two kids now instead of several. That's got to be fixed. The rebuild next year is going to make for a lot of back and forth I think. It's a cloud hanging over us a bit. I also think Geaut better find some magic again real soon. Our hitting has to improve.

[Johnson85]

It really was the pitching coach the whole time. Parker really managed the staff well tonight. I was impressed.

First five innings were from guys coming off of injuries.

Brought in Schulke to get out of a jam against a RH hitter. Then brought in Tyler Davis when Schulke was losing command. Hardin looked like his typical self and shut the door with little fanfare.

Could have been a shut out except for the home run allowed which was a towering fly ball that barely got out.

Is our fielding not significantly better also? Definitely it's hard to do anything when your pitching sucks, but our fielding didn't do our pitchers a lot of favors last year from what I remember.

I'm looking for reasons beyond Parker to be optimistic with Lemonis. We are fortunate that in baseball we're not likely to have Parker poached except for a head coaching position at a pretty decent program. But I assume with the turnaround this year he's going to get interest pretty quickly and we're probably not going to have him another four years.

[Commercecomet24]

It was a wild pitch and him busting ass that got him to 3rd.

Yeah, Hujsak plays at 1000% on every single play. Not many would've wound up on 3rd on that play.

[Coach34]

Yeah, Hujsak plays at 1000% on every single play. Not many would've wound up on 3rd on that play.

Hugesak is dumb tho. That worked last night and it goes as a "hustle" play butttttt if the throw is on target he is likely out and we are cussing him

Fine line between being aggressive and being aggressively stupid

[StarkVegasSteve]

Hugesak is dumb tho. That worked last night and it goes as a "hustle" play butttttt if the throw is on target he is likely out and we are cussing him

Fine line between being aggressive and being aggressively stupid

I was thinking the same thing watching it live. If that throw is anywhere near on line, Hujsak is hosed

[Santiago]

Lemonis issues: Recruiting, slow to adjust, push back at fans which makes enemies

I don't think he's a bad coach per se, I just think he's got a lot of Croom like issues. He'd rather beat his head against a wall than do what everyone can see needs to be done. The recruiting hasnt been up to par at all. We struggle with the portal minus one or two lesser rated guys a year really. The class coming is weak without the draft guys. We hit on one or two kids now instead of several. That's got to be fixed. The rebuild next year is going to make for a lot of back and forth I think. It's a cloud hanging over us a bit. I also think Geaut better find some magic again real soon. Our hitting has to improve.

Keep Parker at all costs. Parker is saving Lemonis this season.
Yes on Lemonis and Croom and this season reminds me how Croom got to a 6 win season, and our Band spelled out "CROOM" at half time of the Liberty Bowl..... the freaking Liberty Bowl back when it was not in the bigger pay out of bowls. Dang our fanbase sometimes.

We won 6 games in the season due to Ellis Johnson's defense. Croom got all the praise and Johnson headed to another town.


This baseball season is much like that with Parker saving Lemonis, and our fans spelling out "LEMONIS" on the message boards.

[Commercecomet24]

Hugesak is dumb tho. That worked last night and it goes as a "hustle" play butttttt if the throw is on target he is likely out and we are cussing him

Fine line between being aggressive and being aggressively stupid

Sometimes you have to gamble big to win. I liked the play but I've always been a proponent of aggressive base running. Force the action and force them to make a play. That's a long throw for a catcher who was caught napping. I like it. We don't disagree on much about baseball, but on this one we do, lol.

ETA If i was coaching third i'm bringing him all the way. Also there was already one out, if there's zero outs or 2 outs, yeah stay at second but with one out, come on over!

[RockyDog]

RPI up to 24
We have figured out the back end of the pitching staff
We are Top 5 of the SEC (remember all that "State standard" talk?)

We win the Bama series
We avoid a sweep at UPig
We win the Mizzou series

We will host. Even if we **** up and dont host- we will be a top 2 seed in the Tourney and nobody wants us in their Regional

I cant wait to bump me some threads to make sure we get all the great takes on Lemon at the end of the month

That is the problem with a lot of the Lemon haters. Their view of State baseball is warped. The “State standard” in baseball is MUCH closer to 5th than it is 1st. The natty warped a lot of perceptions. It was great for the school and the program but we didn’t just automatically cruise by Florida, Vandy, LSU and SC as the top program in the league.

[Cooterpoot]

I was thinking the same thing watching it live. If that throw is anywhere near on line, Hujsak is hosed

But that's the thing, a play like that, the odds are in the runners favor. That was an impossible throw to make 75% of the time. Now, had the catcher hustled instead of standing around, I don't think Hujsak tries it. You can see when he saw the catcher being lazy, his footwork changed and he turned it on.

[Commercecomet24]

But that's the thing, a play like that, the odds are in the runners favor. That was an impossible throw to make 75% of the time. Now, had the catcher hustled instead of standing around, I don't think Hujsak tries it. You can see when he saw the catcher being lazy, his footwork changed and he turned it on.

This^^^^^^^

[Cooterpoot]

The best thing for State is to win and Lemonis fix recruiting. Will that happen? Don't know, but we're going to find out.

[Brobi-wan]

I love MSU more than any coach. I always want the dogs to win, but that doesn?t mean I still think he?s the man for the future. I think the real story will be told next year. There will be a good bit of turnover. If we can continue being successful next year, he shouldn?t have anymore detractors. However, he cannot have 3 poor years in a 4 year span. He makes the big bucks. Those come with big expectations EVERY year.

[Todd4State]

The fans saying that our success is all Parker cracks me up. We are first in the SEC in defense. That's not because of Parker. And our hitting is middle of the pack. The biggest issue there is power- which took a big blow when Highfill got hurt and Kohler got hurt plus Hines struggling. I think most of our hitting issues can be corrected with a hitting analyst.

[StarkVegasSteve]

The fans saying that our success is all Parker cracks me up. We are first in the SEC in defense. That's not because of Parker. And our hitting is middle of the pack. The biggest issue there is power- which took a big blow when Highfill got hurt and Kohler got hurt plus Hines struggling. I think most of our hitting issues can be corrected with a hitting analyst.

It's not all Parker, but he's the biggest part of it.

[Coach34]

Keep Parker at all costs. Parker is saving Lemonis this season.
Yes on Lemonis and Croom and this season reminds me how Croom got to a 6 win season, and our Band spelled out "CROOM" at half time of the Liberty Bowl..... the freaking Liberty Bowl back when it was not in the bigger pay out of bowls. Dang our fanbase sometimes.

We won 6 games in the season due to Ellis Johnson's defense. Croom got all the praise and Johnson headed to another town.


This baseball season is much like that with Parker saving Lemonis, and our fans spelling out "LEMONIS" on the message boards.

Its nothing resembling Croom. Lemon has a Natty and built this team that has very good pitching. So much so that we have overcome injuries to 3 of our top guys as well as another underperforming. Those of us that know baseball figured we would be pretty good this year.

[Cooterpoot]

The fans saying that our success is all Parker cracks me up. We are first in the SEC in defense. That's not because of Parker. And our hitting is middle of the pack. The biggest issue there is power- which took a big blow when Highfill got hurt and Kohler got hurt plus Hines struggling. I think most of our hitting issues can be corrected with a hitting analyst.

You don't think better pitching helps the defense a lot? I do. I think it helps a ton. Mershon being healthy this year helps too, along with one transfer out.
Geaut's guys never K a lot as a unit. It's always been that way. Recruiting is the reason for the power outage, it's not just HRs. We aren't getting extra base hits. Far too often we're two strike hitting and beating our chests and too many ground balls. We've got a grind it out approach that's not all bad, but you need the players to do that.

[Coach34]

The fans saying that our success is all Parker cracks me up. We are first in the SEC in defense. That's not because of Parker. And our hitting is middle of the pack. The biggest issue there is power- which took a big blow when Highfill got hurt and Kohler got hurt plus Hines struggling. I think most of our hitting issues can be corrected with a hitting analyst.

exactly

With the injuries we have had- Lemon is in the discussion for COY

[Santiago]

The fans saying that our success is all Parker cracks me up. We are first in the SEC in defense. That's not because of Parker. And our hitting is middle of the pack. The biggest issue there is power- which took a big blow when Highfill got hurt and Kohler got hurt plus Hines struggling. I think most of our hitting issues can be corrected with a hitting analyst.

I respect your posts, but are you really saying our hitting would be better if a player wasn't struggling at the plate?
We would also hit more home runs if the balls traveled a little further also.

Why hasn't Lemonis already moved forward with a hitting analyst?
That is our point. He can be incredibly stubborn, Croom like.

But Parker is a really big reason our pitching is ranked so high in the SEC and why we are winning games. Our defense is better, so ya Lemonis! Our base running has been awful and we lost alot of games this year v. lesser teams when we could not hit anything. We are a good team, but a thin line on going 0-3 on a weekend also.

[ScooterDog]

Agree with you Todd. I too think we need a hitting analyst and Gotro ain?t that. Gotro gotta go.

[Santiago]

exactly

With the injuries we have had- Lemon is in the discussion for COY

Parker lost his starting Friday night guy, but was able to recruit a pitcher in the portal that has saved us. Grant hurt, and other hurt.
So does Parker get assistant coach of the year?

[Cooterpoot]

Its nothing resembling Croom. Lemon has a Natty and built this team that has very good pitching. So much so that we have overcome injuries to 3 of our top guys as well as another underperforming. Those of us that know baseball figured we would be pretty good this year.

LOL!!! Lemonis held on to our problem until he had no choice. That's the whole "refuse to adjust" again. Parker absolutely saved his ass. Lemonis didn't build that chamoionship team either. And if middle of the pack in the SEC is good, our standards have fallen hard. The bottom line is Lemonis isn't as bad as the haters claim, nor as good as his blind followers believe. It all comes down to can he get the players. I don't believe he can. I think you see us stuck in the middle of the pack as long as he's here, but, and it's a big but, he's good enough to win if the team catches fire and things fall into place and we catch some breaks. A bad coach can't win regardless.

[Coach34]

But that's the thing, a play like that, the odds are in the runners favor. That was an impossible throw to make 75% of the time. Now, had the catcher hustled instead of standing around, I don't think Hujsak tries it. You can see when he saw the catcher being lazy, his footwork changed and he turned it on.

I'm glad it worked and as I said- fine line between aggressive and being stupid. When I was 20 I throw him out 75% of the time. The ball sailed on the catcher and boom- big play for us

[Coach34]

I love MSU more than any coach. I always want the dogs to win, but that doesn?t mean I still think he?s the man for the future. I think the real story will be told next year. There will be a good bit of turnover.

oh no doubt- we miss the NCAA's next year to make it 3 out of 4? Fire his ass

[TStationDawg]

The fans saying that our success is all Parker cracks me up. We are first in the SEC in defense. That's not because of Parker. And our hitting is middle of the pack. The biggest issue there is power- which took a big blow when Highfill got hurt and Kohler got hurt plus Hines struggling. I think most of our hitting issues can be corrected with a hitting analyst.

I'd make a call to Adam Wyse. He's an up and comer. Great coach; especially at player dev. Look him up.

[PMDawg]

The best thing for State is to win and Lemonis fix recruiting. Will that happen? Don't know, but we're going to find out.

^^^^^

[QuadrupleOption]

LOL!!! Lemonis held on to our problem until he had no choice. That's the whole "refuse to adjust" again. Parker absolutely saved his ass. Lemonis didn't build that chamoionship team either. And if middle of the pack in the SEC is good, our standards have fallen hard. The bottom line is Lemonis isn't as bad as the haters claim, nor as good as his blind followers believe. It all comes down to can he get the players. I don't believe he can. I think you see us stuck in the middle of the pack as long as he's here, but, and it's a big but, he's good enough to win if the team catches fire and things fall into place and we catch some breaks. A bad coach can't win regardless.

I don't know why we keep doing this with out coaches, but here goes.

Lemonis gets blame for the pitching in 2022 and 2023 because he's the head coach. Lemonis gets credit for firing the pitching coach and bringing in a better one to fix the issue.

Lemonis gets blame for poor defensive play in 22-23. He gets credit for improved defensive play this season.

Lemonis won the title in year 3. He didn't recruit every player but he recruited a lot of them, because he was the head coach when they signed and so he gets credit. Lemonis gets blame for the poor performance of players he recruited in 22 and 23. He gets credit for the improvement this year.

If we make the NCAA tournament (and we should), he gets credit for that. If he doesn't, he should be (and probably will be) fired.

It's not that hard. Quit making up reasons to not give him credit for righting the course of the program and getting us back on track. I'm not saying the last two years aren't on him, because they are. However I can also give him credit for doing what he had to do to get us back on track.

[Todd4State]

You don't think better pitching helps the defense a lot? I do. I think it helps a ton. Mershon being healthy this year helps too, along with one transfer out.
Geaut's guys never K a lot as a unit. It's always been that way. Recruiting is the reason for the power outage, it's not just HRs. We aren't getting extra base hits. Far too often we're two strike hitting and beating our chests and too many ground balls. We've got a grind it out approach that's not all bad, but you need the players to do that.

I do think pitching helps defense a lot. But it's not all pitching. We got rid of Forsythe and Alford. And upgraded there with players Lemonis recruited. Hines has improved also. That's not because of Parker. Catching is better too. Hitting isn't perfect but it's also not that bad. Not enough to where it's consistently costing us games. Recruiting isn't the issue there- it's injuries this year.


I respect your posts, but are you really saying our hitting would be better if a player wasn't struggling at the plate?
We would also hit more home runs if the balls traveled a little further also.

Why hasn't Lemonis already moved forward with a hitting analyst?
That is our point. He can be incredibly stubborn, Croom like.

But Parker is a really big reason our pitching is ranked so high in the SEC and why we are winning games. Our defense is better, so ya Lemonis! Our base running has been awful and we lost alot of games this year v. lesser teams when we could not hit anything. We are a good team, but a thin line on going 0-3 on a weekend also.

No- I'm saying our power would be better without injuries. Which would in turn lead to a more dangerous and therefore better offensive attack.

No one was asking Lemonis to hire an offensive analyst last year. That's not something you just fill midseason. There is a difference between being stubborn and impulsive. Firing your hitting coach in the middle of the season when you are 8th in the league in hitting with some injuries qualifies as impulsive barring a scandal.

Who hired Parker? Why not give Lemonis credit for that? I even said last year a decent PC would make a huge difference if our offensive numbers stayed about the same and look what has happened.


LOL!!! Lemonis held on to our problem until he had no choice. That's the whole "refuse to adjust" again. Parker absolutely saved his ass. Lemonis didn't build that chamoionship team either. And if middle of the pack in the SEC is good, our standards have fallen hard. The bottom line is Lemonis isn't as bad as the haters claim, nor as good as his blind followers believe. It all comes down to can he get the players. I don't believe he can. I think you see us stuck in the middle of the pack as long as he's here, but, and it's a big but, he's good enough to win if the team catches fire and things fall into place and we catch some breaks. A bad coach can't win regardless.

I can understand not firing the National Assistant coach of the year one year after he won the award given his track record at the time and knowing how many injuries we had. And was one of the first on the fire Foxhall train in 2022.

Our "standards" are based on how we do in the postseason. And the reality is no matter where we are in the SEC standings currently, how bad you think our players and recruits are, we are right there in line to have a chance to host a regional which is all that is currently known at this point. Regardless if we win the regional host or not we have hit our standard.

[Todd4State]

I don't know why we keep doing this with out coaches, but here goes.

Lemonis gets blame for the pitching in 2022 and 2023 because he's the head coach. Lemonis gets credit for firing the pitching coach and bringing in a better one to fix the issue.

Lemonis gets blame for poor defensive play in 22-23. He gets credit for improved defensive play this season.

Lemonis won the title in year 3. He didn't recruit every player but he recruited a lot of them, because he was the head coach when they signed and so he gets credit. Lemonis gets blame for the poor performance of players he recruited in 22 and 23. He gets credit for the improvement this year.

If we make the NCAA tournament (and we should), he gets credit for that. If he doesn't, he should be (and probably will be) fired.

It's not that hard. Quit making up reasons to not give him credit for righting the course of the program and getting us back on track. I'm not saying the last two years aren't on him, because they are. However I can also give him credit for doing what he had to do to get us back on track.

Very well said!

[Goldendawg]

Lemonis issues: Recruiting, slow to adjust, push back at fans which makes enemies

I don't think he's a bad coach per se, I just think he's got a lot of Croom like issues. He'd rather beat his head against a wall than do what everyone can see needs to be done. The recruiting hasnt been up to par at all. We struggle with the portal minus one or two lesser rated guys a year really. The class coming is weak without the draft guys. We hit on one or two kids now instead of several. That's got to be fixed. The rebuild next year is going to make for a lot of back and forth I think. It's a cloud hanging over us a bit. I also think Geaut better find some magic again real soon. Our hitting has to improve.

He does wear his cap like Croom.*****. Made a great pitching coach hire Sweep bama!

[Coach34]

Parker lost his starting Friday night guy, but was able to recruit a pitcher in the portal that has saved us. Grant hurt, and other hurt.
So does Parker get assistant coach of the year?

I certainly think he deserves a look. And I would give Schloss or Clown at Kentucky COY- but Lemon deserves a couple of votes if we do indeed host

[Commercecomet24]

I don't know why we keep doing this with out coaches, but here goes.

Lemonis gets blame for the pitching in 2022 and 2023 because he's the head coach. Lemonis gets credit for firing the pitching coach and bringing in a better one to fix the issue.

Lemonis gets blame for poor defensive play in 22-23. He gets credit for improved defensive play this season.

Lemonis won the title in year 3. He didn't recruit every player but he recruited a lot of them, because he was the head coach when they signed and so he gets credit. Lemonis gets blame for the poor performance of players he recruited in 22 and 23. He gets credit for the improvement this year.

If we make the NCAA tournament (and we should), he gets credit for that. If he doesn't, he should be (and probably will be) fired.

It's not that hard. Quit making up reasons to not give him credit for righting the course of the program and getting us back on track. I'm not saying the last two years aren't on him, because they are. However I can also give him credit for doing what he had to do to get us back on track.

Baseball post of the year and so accurate!

I have no more rep to give!

[Commercecomet24]

Its nothing resembling Croom. Lemon has a Natty and built this team that has very good pitching. So much so that we have overcome injuries to 3 of our top guys as well as another underperforming. Those of us that know baseball figured we would be pretty good this year.

This.

[Commercecomet24]

I'm glad it worked and as I said- fine line between aggressive and being stupid. When I was 20 I throw him out 75% of the time. The ball sailed on the catcher and boom- big play for us

Ah but the reason the throw sailed is because we caught him loafing and forced him to make a rushed throw and most rushed throws are off target. Heck 6 inches more to the left and it's into left field and Hujsak scores. I love the aggressiveness. If you're aggressive on the bases you're gonna create more runs than you lose. Jmo

[Todd4State]

Baseball post of the year and so accurate!

I have no more rep to give!

We have too many fans that assumed that Lemonis wouldn't be able to fix it that can't admit they were wrong.

Now they're stuck in a rock and a hard place. Must be tough seeing us win and not enjoy it for those folks.

[Todd4State]

Ah but the reason the throw sailed is because we caught him loafing and forced him to make a rushed throw and most rushed throws are off target. Heck 6 inches more to the left and it's into left field and Hujsak scores. I love the aggressiveness. If you're aggressive on the bases you're gonna create more runs than you lose. Jmo

Aggressiveness wins. It looks bad when it doesn't work though! But in general it does when you more than it doesn't of done at the right time.

My favorite play of all time- runners first and third delayed double steal. Runner from first takes off and then the catcher has to decide whether to give up the base or throw through. When and if the catcher throws through runner from third takes off hard for home. If he doesn't throw through you've taken yourself out of a double play and put another runner in scoring position. If they throw through it takes two good throws essentially to get the out at home and it rushes the middle infielder taking tne throw with a lot of distractions.

Only time it doesn't work is if you have runners slow as Christmas or the runner on third takes off too soon and gets in a run down but the catcher has to be really heads up to lure the runner into a run down.

[Coach34]

We have too many fans that assumed that Lemonis wouldn't be able to fix it that can't admit they were wrong.

Now they're stuck in a rock and a hard place. Must be tough seeing us win and not enjoy it for those folks.

This

[Coach34]

Ah but the reason the throw sailed is because we caught him loafing and forced him to make a rushed throw and most rushed throws are off target. Heck 6 inches more to the left and it's into left field and Hujsak scores. I love the aggressiveness. If you're aggressive on the bases you're gonna create more runs than you lose. Jmo

I love good aggressive baseball. I'm that worked out. It was a huge play in the game

I'm just saying Hugesak is not a MENSA member- like the time he "aggressively" rounded 2nd on a ball to short left-center and the CF'er damn near hosed because of it.

[Commercecomet24]

Aggressiveness wins. It looks bad when it doesn't work though! But in general it does when you more than it doesn't of done at the right time.

My favorite play of all time- runners first and third delayed double steal. Runner from first takes off and then the catcher has to decide whether to give up the base or throw through. When and if the catcher throws through runner from third takes off hard for home. If he doesn't throw through you've taken yourself out of a double play and put another runner in scoring position. If they throw through it takes two good throws essentially to get the out at home and it rushes the middle infielder taking tne throw with a lot of distractions.

Only time it doesn't work is if you have runners slow as Christmas or the runner on third takes off too soon and gets in a run down but the catcher has to be really heads up to lure the runner into a run down.

Yeah i agree. Always loved the first and third situation as a third base coach. Something I used to do a lot of that's been lost with all the exit velo, launch angle, hr craze, is hit and run with runners on first and third. Talk about creating some chaos. The defense has their first and third defend called and the runner takes off and they don't expect a swing and all of a sudden there's all kinds of home for the hitter to just tap a ground ball through. Learned that from Whitey Herzog.

[Coach34]

It's funny to read all this.

Nobody was loving Parker on Sunday when he brought in Stevens to pitch. Now he's a ****ing genius

[Commercecomet24]

I love good aggressive baseball. I'm that worked out. It was a huge play in the game

I'm just saying Hugesak is not a MENSA member- like the time he "aggressively" rounded 2nd on a ball to short left-center and the CF'er damn near hosed because of it.

lol yeah I doubt he's a Mensa member, he's just a baseball player. The play you mentioned there could've been disastrous and the play when he started home from third on a walk and got picked wasn't high intelligence level either. I do love the way the man plays though and his leadership off the field. He plays hard all the time and is a great teammate

[Commercecomet24]

It's funny to read all this.

Nobody was loving Parker on Sunday when he brought in Stevens to pitch. Now he's a ****ing genius

The board is a mercurial bunch! Coaches now these players better than any of us and they go with who the feel can get the job done. Parker's been right more than wrong this year.

[NWADAWG]

We're taking 2 at UPIG.

Please let this happen.

[Todd4State]

Yeah i agree. Always loved the first and third situation as a third base coach. Something I used to do a lot of that's been lost with all the exit velo, launch angle, hr craze, is hit and run with runners on first and third. Talk about creating some chaos. The defense has their first and third defend called and the runner takes off and they don't expect a swing and all of a sudden there's all kinds of home for the hitter to just tap a ground ball through. Learned that from Whitey Herzog.

I met Whitey a couple of years ago. He had this cane that looked like a baseball bat. I told him it looked cool.

He told me- "Well I couldn't hit shit with it so I figured I'd get some use out of it". LOL. And RIP.

But yeah I love home runs and I'm the biggest Babe Ruth and Mark McGwire fan out there. But small ball and chaos is fun too. I hope MLB gets back to some of that along with the home runs. That's why I liked Tony LaRussa so much and Cohen too- you had a little bit of everything.

[Todd4State]

The board is a mercurial bunch! Coaches now these players better than any of us and they go with who the feel can get the job done. Parker's been right more than wrong this year.

And it's not like he had a lot of known commodities to work with. The most known got hurt right before SEC play.

[Commercecomet24]

I met Whitey a couple of years ago. He had this cane that looked like a baseball bat. I told him it looked cool.

He told me- "Well I couldn't hit shit with it so I figured I'd get some use out of it". LOL. And RIP.

But yeah I love home runs and I'm the biggest Babe Ruth and Mark McGwire fan out there. But small ball and chaos is fun too. I hope MLB gets back to some of that along with the home runs. That's why I liked Tony LaRussa so much and Cohen too- you had a little bit of everything.

My HS coach was good friends with Whitey, they knew each other from the minors and Whitey used to come visit with us every January when we're getting ready for the season. He told me one time, when in doubt, run!, lol! I loved the guy and he's the one I patterned my aggressive baserunning in coaching. He always took time to answer our questions from a bunch of dumb teenagers. RIP to the White Rat! The running game is so much fun for the players and the fans, it keeps everyone on their toes and keeps defenses and pitchers unsettled. I guarantee if someone brought back Whitey Balll other teams wouldn't know what to do! Pitchers don't know how to hold runners anymore and that 3 time throw over thing would get em in trouble too. I would love to see someone bring that style back.

[Commercecomet24]

And it's not like he had a lot of known commodities to work with. The most known got hurt right before SEC play.

Exactly.

[Tbonewannabe]

I have said from the go that he had this year to prove it. I will give him credit, he has this team back to playing with a chip on their shoulder. He corrected the pitching and our hitting is just good enough. Hopefully we finish strong and make some noise in the post season.

[schddog72]

THIS!!

[schddog72]

We're taking 2 at UPIG.

You're drinking the industrial grade cool-aid aren't you.

[StarkVegasSteve]

You're drinking the industrial grade cool-aid aren't you.

If we go take 2 at Arky then 20 wins in conference is not off the table. I think 18 and you're safely hosting. At 20....a national seed is not out of the question.

[BrunswickDawg]

My HS coach was good friends with Whitey, they knew each other from the minors and Whitey used to come visit with us every January when we're getting ready for the season. He told me one time, when in doubt, run!, lol! I loved the guy and he's the one I patterned my aggressive baserunning in coaching. He always took time to answer our questions from a bunch of dumb teenagers. RIP to the White Rat! The running game is so much fun for the players and the fans, it keeps everyone on their toes and keeps defenses and pitchers unsettled. I guarantee if someone brought back Whitey Balll other teams wouldn't know what to do! Pitchers don't know how to hold runners anymore and that 3 time throw over thing would get em in trouble too. I would love to see someone bring that style back.

I loved Whitey's style with those Royals and Cardinals teams. My Dad did too. When my Dad was our rec coach at age 11-12, we got stuck with the "leftovers" at the park. We didn't have great players - but somehow we had a bunch of kids who could run. Dad decided since that's all we could do, we were going to create chaos. We spent a third of our practices running bases. He had most of the team running on the first pitch every time we got on base - stealing second and third. We would take huge leads off third, and bait the catcher into throwing back to third thinking he had an easy pick - then pivot and run home. It worked about 75% of the time. There were two or three of us he would have steal home straight up. Pitchers at that age had no clue what to do when they saw us streaking toward home in the middle of their wind up. They either stopped their motion and balked, or hit the backstop trying to hurry the throw home. We didn't win a lot of games - but we had a ton of fun and pissed off a bunch of coaches.

[Coach34]

Just dont get swept @UPig. Friday's game may be done in an hour and 50 minutes

[Bdawg]

exactly

With the injuries we have had- Lemon is in the discussion for COY

Calm down Francis.

[StateDawg44]

We have too many fans that assumed that Lemonis wouldn't be able to fix it that can't admit they were wrong.

Now they're stuck in a rock and a hard place. Must be tough seeing us win and not enjoy it for those folks.


I don't hate him. But I don't have much confidence in him as our team leader.

Most of the people wanting to move on (including myself) want him to be successful and would love to be proven wrong. But I don't believe he will be able to consistently keep us at an elite level. Whether it's closing on recruits/transfers that are major difference makers or development. We've done much better this year but there is still plenty of room for skepticism moving forward.

He'll likely earn another year and I understand how Selmon likely won't make a move this year if we finish strong.

I want to win so of course, it's not tough to watch us win. It's fun. But it is tough to fully expect to fumble our way through another off-season like we have the past few years while the gap between us and teams that are considered elite grows larger and they just reload where the have needs.

[Coach34]

Calm down Francis.

COY is based on achievement and exceeding expectations. Are we not doing that? We were picked last in the West. We are on a path to host- which means Top 16 in the country- wouldnt that be achievement?

[MoreCowbell]

He has us in a better position than I thought he would. If we go back to sucking again next year, which I think is likely, we will be back at square one.

It comes down to recruiting for me and he is a subpar recruiter.

If he can continue this success next year I will be on board throughout the rest of his career here.

[Coach34]

It comes down to recruiting for me and he is a subpar recruiter.

We will be top 3-4 in the SEC in draft picks this July. This is a dumb take. We have 7 guys guaranteed to be drafted. That means he is bringing talent to Starkville

[Coach34]

Here is where people miss on their takes about Lemon.

Right or wrong- His problem to me is that he is too loyal to his recruits. Chance starts in LF because Lemon recruited him and didnt want to replace him with a portal guy. He even said as much in an interview-why would he spend money on various pitchers when we have more talented guys already on campus? He relies on his recruiting much more than he values bringing in various guys from the portal. His view is we need to add a couple of guys from the portal to supplement recruiting.

Now then- this is what will probably get him fired. But that is his view. We arent failing in the portal- we arent using it and believe in it like we should.

[Bdawg]

COY is based on achievement and exceeding expectations. Are we not doing that? We were picked last in the West. We are on a path to host- which means Top 16 in the country- wouldnt that be achievement?

Yes. And I’m happy for him, but I don’t think he would be the top pick. I saw your other post later about him receiving votes. I could see that. He’s trying to claw his way out this mess he created and he’s doing pretty good this year. How he does in the portal and getting recruits in next year to keep us on the rise will be interesting. But right now, he really needs some bats to start heating up really soon for this home stretch and post season play. The better the run he makes this year in the postseason, the easier his job may be to convince better player to come to MSU.

[Bdawg]

We will be top 3-4 in the SEC in draft picks this July. This is a dumb take. We have 7 guys guaranteed to be drafted. That means he is bringing talent to Starkville

Your draft pick take is more of an indictment on Lemonis to me. You speak of all this talent so why weren’t we kickin ass from day 1 this year? It does seem he’s finally putting some things together though. I know injuries can make it harder through the season too

[Coach34]

Your draft pick take is more of an indictment on Lemonis to me. You speak of all this talent so why weren’t we kickin ass from day 1 this year? It does seem he’s finally putting some things together though. I know injuries can make it harder through the season too

Same reason Saban struggled early in the 2023 season and still ended up in the playoffs. Every team has to find their way

[Bdawg]

Here is where people miss on their takes about Lemon.

Right or wrong- His problem to me is that he is too loyal to his recruits. Chance starts in LF because Lemon recruited him and didnt want to replace him with a portal guy. He even said as much in an interview-why would he spend money on various pitchers when we have more talented guys already on campus? He relies on his recruiting much more than he values bringing in various guys from the portal. His view is we need to add a couple of guys from the portal to supplement recruiting.

Now then- this is what will probably get him fired. But that is his view. We arent failing in the portal- we arent using it and believe in it like we should.

Well that’s dumb on his part. You go out and get the best you can no matter what. How many years we been trying to get a third baseman. It’s turned into being plum embarrassing. He better learn to supplement with some some studs if he likes his job! And if he wants to be loyal to HIS players, then evaluate, recruit, and develop some damn good ones!!

[Coach34]

Well that’s dumb on his part. You go out and get the best you can no matter what. How many years we been trying to get a third baseman. It’s turned into being plum embarrassing. He better learn to supplement with some some studs if he likes his job!

I agree with you completely

[Bdawg]

Same reason Saban struggled early in the 2023 season and still ended up in the playoffs. Every team has to find their way

That didnt seem to be one of Saban’s most talented teams. 7 draft picks seems like a fairly loaded team to me. Wonder how many draft picks on AR team right now?

[confucius say]

Keep Parker at all costs. Parker is saving Lemonis this season.
Yes on Lemonis and Croom and this season reminds me how Croom got to a 6 win season, and our Band spelled out "CROOM" at half time of the Liberty Bowl..... the freaking Liberty Bowl back when it was not in the bigger pay out of bowls. Dang our fanbase sometimes.

We won 6 games in the season due to Ellis Johnson's defense. Croom got all the praise and Johnson headed to another town.


This baseball season is much like that with Parker saving Lemonis, and our fans spelling out "LEMONIS" on the message boards.

Wait wait wait. We are comparing lemonis to Croom? Seriously? My word.

[Coach34]

That didnt seem to be one of Saban’s most talented teams. 7 draft picks seems like a fairly loaded team to me. Wonder how many draft picks on AR team right now?

I havent checked but their Friday night SP is likely off the board in the Top 10 picks

[Coach34]

Wait wait wait. We are comparing lemonis to Croom? Seriously? My word.

yep. Jumping the shark now.

These guys are comparing Raquel Welch to Anna Faris

[DEDawg]

COY is based on achievement and exceeding expectations. Are we not doing that? We were picked last in the West. We are on a path to host- which means Top 16 in the country- wouldnt that be achievement?

Nah. Context matters he has already won a natty and MSU is an elite baseball program historically. He would need to do this at a southern miss type to get in COY discussion

[Coach34]

Nah. Context matters he has already won a natty and MSU is an elite baseball program historically. He would need to do this at a southern miss type to get in COY discussion

disagree. Each season is based on its own. You want the other factors in because you dont want to acknowledge that he has really done a damn good job this year

UPig was supposed to be Top 5. Van Horn hasnt done shit. He is matching expectations

Lemon has exceeded expectations- thats undeniable

State has had 5 losing seasons in the last 15 years. Your opinion of our program doesnt match reality- is that really "Elite"????? (I'll go ahead and inform you- noooooooo its not)

Elite programs dont have a losing record 33% of the time. Stop being morons

[BuckyIsAB****]

Keep Parker at all costs. Parker is saving Lemonis this season.
Yes on Lemonis and Croom and this season reminds me how Croom got to a 6 win season, and our Band spelled out "CROOM" at half time of the Liberty Bowl..... the freaking Liberty Bowl back when it was not in the bigger pay out of bowls. Dang our fanbase sometimes.

We won 6 games in the season due to Ellis Johnson's defense. Croom got all the praise and Johnson headed to another town.


This baseball season is much like that with Parker saving Lemonis, and our fans spelling out "LEMONIS" on the message boards.

8 win season. I was at that liberty bowl. Croom was bad in a lot of ways for sure, but a lot of his recruits was the core of one of DMs best teams in 2010

[BuckyIsAB****]

disagree. Each season is based on its own. You want the other factors in because you dont want to acknowledge that he has really done a damn good job this year

UPig was supposed to be Top 5. Van Horn hasnt done shit. He is matching expectations

Lemon has exceeded expectations- thats undeniable

State has had 5 losing seasons in the last 15 years. Your opinion of our program doesnt match reality- is that really "Elite"????? (I'll go ahead and inform you- noooooooo its not)

Elite programs dont have a losing record 33% of the time. Stop being morons

Uh Lemon has 2 of the 5 after taking over a program that was on one of the best runs in the country. That is not the slam dunk you think it is.

I am so glad we are winning and are playing better, but it?s my opinion the talent bails the coaching out and probably has since he has been here. To be fair, I said I would shut up if we hosted. We have a chance to shut me up

[Todd4State]

I don't hate him. But I don't have much confidence in him as our team leader.

Most of the people wanting to move on (including myself) want him to be successful and would love to be proven wrong. But I don't believe he will be able to consistently keep us at an elite level. Whether it's closing on recruits/transfers that are major difference makers or development. We've done much better this year but there is still plenty of room for skepticism moving forward.

He'll likely earn another year and I understand how Selmon likely won't make a move this year if we finish strong.

I want to win so of course, it's not tough to watch us win. It's fun. But it is tough to fully expect to fumble our way through another off-season like we have the past few years while the gap between us and teams that are considered elite grows larger and they just reload where the have needs.

I don't really understand this. Because the entire issue the past two years was mostly the pitching. Lemonis fixed that and here we are. Unless Parker has a similar fall off of a cliff I don't know why our fans expect things to go back? Why? Our hitting hasn't really changed that much between 2019 to 2024.

And as far as recruits and talent- we have three players (not recruits players currently on the team) listed as top 150 draft prospects for this current draft by MLB.com. (Dakota, Hines, and Loo) That's just the draft eligible players. That doesn't include Nolan Stevens, Dylan Cupp, Ethan Pulliam, and etc. It also doesn't include Khal Stephen who has turned into a monster pick up or Mershon both of whom are draft eligible as well. Or Hujsack. So really the only "gaps" we have are Sunday starter, catcher, and third base- ALL of those position groups were greatly affected by injuries this year. Pico is coming back and had he been healthy or Dohm stayed healthy they would have filled the Sunday role. Highfill was supposed to be the catcher and we had to replace him with a guy trying to be an EMT and a guy we brought in for depth in Long who was always supposed to be the back up. Kohler got hurt the first weekend but has been strong defensively. Chance is a solid player and he is only a sophomore but teams need 1-2 guys like that. Amani is streaky and can't hit LHP and he might not be playing if Cupp didn't get hurt. We also lost our best freshman pitching prospect- Makhai Grant to Tommy John as well and he would have absolutely contributed this year.

Watching Ole Miss last night- I was a little surprised by the gap in talent between MSU and Ole Miss. Big difference in our favor. I also happened to sit by some scouts and I noticed that they were paying way more attention to our guys than Ole Miss's.

We have been good in the portal IMO. No we haven't gotten Braden Montgomery- but we meet our needs. I have no reason to suspect that we won't meet our needs this offseason either. Hujsack, Stephen, Dohm, Long, Powell, Larry, Tyler Davis, Kohler- that's pretty solid. And that doesn't include guys like Colton Ledbetter, RJ Yeager, Aaron Nixon, Scotty Dubrule, and etc. We've been way more successful in the portal than not.

We're going to be top five-six in the SEC this year more than likely. The gap between the top and us isn't very big in this league. The teams at the top have the most veteran and highest end talent on the mound- that would be Arkansas and Texas A&M this year. Last year it was LSU. No pitcher in their right mind was coming here with Foxhall around unless you are Jonathan Papelbon, Jr. By 2026 when our rotation is Stevens, Grant, and Dotson- that could very well be us at the top.

[Todd4State]

Here is where people miss on their takes about Lemon.

Right or wrong- His problem to me is that he is too loyal to his recruits. Chance starts in LF because Lemon recruited him and didnt want to replace him with a portal guy. He even said as much in an interview-why would he spend money on various pitchers when we have more talented guys already on campus? He relies on his recruiting much more than he values bringing in various guys from the portal. His view is we need to add a couple of guys from the portal to supplement recruiting.

Now then- this is what will probably get him fired. But that is his view. We arent failing in the portal- we arent using it and believe in it like we should.

It's kind of tricky. Because you have recruits and you know they need time to develop. But you also have to have experienced guys to win. If it's not handled correctly teams- not just MSU- run the risk of running off say Hunter Renfroe. That sort of happened to us with Shane Lewis who ended up at Troy and hit 20+ home runs there and would have been much better than Alford last year. I also will say if we had landed Montgomery there is no way Chance would be starting in the OF right now so that sounds like some politcizing to a degree by Lemons. Why would a coach come out and publicly say that they were recruiting over a player? And it's not like Chance has been THAT bad anyway. He has hit better than Kohler, the two catchers, and Larry. If nothing else he at least makes contact usually and makes them field something.

[Commercecomet24]

Uh Lemon has 2 of the 5 after taking over a program that was on one of the best runs in the country. That is not the slam dunk you think it is.

I am so glad we are winning and are playing better, but it?s my opinion the talent bails the coaching out and probably has since he has been here. To be fair, I said I would shut up if we hosted. We have a chance to shut me up

Uh, He only has one losing season, 2022. Last year we finished with a winning record.

[CaptainObvious]

I love Mississippi State Baseball.
I love winning baseball games.
Lemonis Still Sux. He just sux less this year.

Next year. Boy oh boy! He will have to prove it all over again. And your comparison to the so called elite SEC programs. When did Vandy and South Carolina and for that matter Florida become elite? When they hired their most successful head coaches ever that rarely had down years and seem to never have losing seasons. Hmmmm. Elite programs? No Elite Coaches? Yes. When did Arkansas become elite and the top attendance program in the SEC per game average? DVH. Elite Coach!

State is an Elite baseball coach away from being an Elite Program!

Wait until Mershon decides he wants to transfer to South Carolina to play with his brother in front of family and friends. No more Hines, Jordan, Hujsak, and those All-American hitters Larry & Kohler. I'm sure State loses a lot of pitching too.

[Santiago]

I love Mississippi State Baseball.
I love winning baseball games.
Lemonis Still Sux. He just sux less this year.

Next year. Boy oh boy! He will have to prove it all over again. And your comparison to the so called elite SEC programs. When did Vandy and South Carolina and for that matter Florida become elite? When they hired their most successful head coaches ever that rarely had down years and seem to never have losing seasons. Hmmmm. Elite programs? No Elite Coaches? Yes. When did Arkansas become elite and the top attendance program in the SEC per game average? DVH. Elite Coach!

State is an Elite baseball coach away from being an Elite Program!

Wait until Mershon decides he wants to transfer to South Carolina to play with his brother in front of family and friends. No more Hines, Jordan, Hujsak, and those All-American hitters Larry & Kohler. I'm sure State loses a lot of pitching too.

DVH definitely elite. He took Nebraska to the CWS twice before taking the Arkansas job.

[Coach34]

Uh Lemon has 2 of the 5 after taking over a program that was on one of the best runs in the country. That is not the slam dunk you think it is

Please argue with facts. Lemon has only had 1 losing season

[BrunswickDawg]

NM - read something wrong

[viverlibre]

Nah. Context matters he has already won a natty and MSU is an elite baseball program historically.

Historically elite program with 0 natties (in a sport it should be easiest to win one) until 2021? Historically good program with outstanding support.

[Coach34]

Historically elite program with 0 natties (in a sport it should be easiest to win one) until 2021? Historically good program with outstanding support.

This is dead on

[Commercecomet24]

Historically elite program with 0 natties (in a sport it should be easiest to win one) until 2021? Historically good program with outstanding support.

I agree with everything except about it being the easisest sport to win one.

[msudawg1200]

Please argue with facts. Lemon has only had 1 losing season

I have no dog in the hunt(I want Lemonis to suceed, but also understand if he doesn't perform he's got to go), but he went 9-21 back to back in the SEC. No other State baseball coach has done that back to back, except Cohen in his first two years when he went 9-21 and 6-24, but he was rebuilding from the pile of crap Polk II had left the program in, and not an established coach like Lemonis. So, these last two seasons, in my opinion, was a fireable offense(not that I wanted that but it was justifable) for an established Mississippi State baseball coach.

[Todd4State]

I love Mississippi State Baseball.
I love winning baseball games.
Lemonis Still Sux. He just sux less this year.

Next year. Boy oh boy! He will have to prove it all over again. And your comparison to the so called elite SEC programs. When did Vandy and South Carolina and for that matter Florida become elite? When they hired their most successful head coaches ever that rarely had down years and seem to never have losing seasons. Hmmmm. Elite programs? No Elite Coaches? Yes. When did Arkansas become elite and the top attendance program in the SEC per game average? DVH. Elite Coach!

State is an Elite baseball coach away from being an Elite Program!

Wait until Mershon decides he wants to transfer to South Carolina to play with his brother in front of family and friends. No more Hines, Jordan, Hujsak, and those All-American hitters Larry & Kohler. I'm sure State loses a lot of pitching too.

The SEC is an elite conference. MSU is one of if not the biggest reason why it is an elite conference.

It's funny to me how posters have shifted from:

"We all know this is Lemonis's last season I don't know why we didn't fire him".

To "We look better but I want to see how we do in SEC play. If we go 0-9 we'll be looking for a new coach".

Once that didn't happen now it's "Well we'll see how he does next year. We lose everything".

[StarkVegasSteve]

Look if Lemonis is bad next year then he's probably going to be fired. Even C34 has said as much. Let's just enjoy this season for what it is, a good to very good season, and worry about next year after the last out is made on this season. Just like every year, there will be plenty of kids go into the portal and say what you want, but Lemonis has had a lot more hits out of the portal than misses.

Dubrule- hit
Simmons-Incomplete due to injury
Yeager-hit
Larry-hit, despite what some think. He is a two year starter for us. That's a hit
Jess Davis- miss
Nixon- I would say hit. Just wasn't healthy.
Ledbetter- hit
Hujsak-hit
Tyler Davis-hit
Dohm-hit
Hoyle-still confusing as to why we took him. Always told it was a favor to Mangum. Miss
Gartman-not a hit, but not a miss
Stephen-hit
Long-hit
Ligon-I thought miss early on, but now I'm thinking he could be valuable for us
Powell-hit
Kohler- not a hit, but not a miss

I didn't add JUCO guys like Schuelke because the list would've gotten too long. That hit rate is much lower though

[DEDawg]

disagree. Each season is based on its own. You want the other factors in because you dont want to acknowledge that he has really done a damn good job this year

UPig was supposed to be Top 5. Van Horn hasnt done shit. He is matching expectations

Lemon has exceeded expectations- thats undeniable

State has had 5 losing seasons in the last 15 years. Your opinion of our program doesnt match reality- is that really "Elite"????? (I'll go ahead and inform you- noooooooo its not)

Elite programs dont have a losing record 33% of the time. Stop being morons

huh? do you know who you're talking to? I'm a huge Lemonis fan. Dude brought us a championship 3 years ago. but youre still wrong, you aren't going to get COY at state being a top 15 ranking with 16 sec wins at the end of the year coming off a losing season. get out of your little bubble of just MSU, it's a national award. Now if he gets us to 18 wins and top 3 in the SEC, yes absolutely.

[StarkVegasSteve]

huh? do you know who you're talking to? I'm a huge Lemonis fan. Dude brought us a championship 3 years ago. but youre still wrong, you aren't going to get COY at state being a top 15 ranking with 16 sec wins at the end of the year coming off a losing season. get out of your little bubble of just MSU, it's a national award. Now if he gets us to 18 wins and top 3 in the SEC, yes absolutely.

It's far more plausible than you'd like to admit. Lemonis was 9-21 last year in conference. Really only brought in 3-4 impact players and is going to win 15+ games. That's a hell of a turnaround in what is the toughest conference in college baseball. Look, I'm no Lemonis fan, but he has managed this team very well more times than not this year.

[DEDawg]

It's far more plausible than you'd like to admit. Lemonis was 9-21 last year in conference. Really only brought in 3-4 impact players and is going to win 15+ games. That's a hell of a turnaround in what is the toughest conference in college baseball. Look, I'm no Lemonis fan, but he has managed this team very well more times than not this year.

I completely 100% agree he has done a hell of a job this year. I also don't think that wins you COY at State. Like I said, doing that at Southern or somewhere else in the middle of nowhere, yes. He has won a NC and as much as fans don't want to believe it the national perception of MSU baseball is an elite program. Both those things make it harder to win COY because outside perception is 14-15 SEC wins is just the norm for us (even if it isn't). Again, get to 18 and top 3 in the SEC and that all changes.

[NWADAWG]

Lemon has exceeded expectations- thats undeniable



I'm not a lemon hater. But, this is like raising gas prices from $2/gal to $4/gal and the lowering it to $3.50/gal and saying, "yay, I lowered gas by $.50"

[Coach34]

I'm not a lemon hater. But, this is like raising gas prices from $2/gal to $4/gal and the lowering it to $3.50/gal and saying, "yay, I lowered gas by $.50"

I didnt predict us last in the West- but that was the preseason expectation. Even our own fans on here said we would suck. As all of you well know- I said we were going to be good this season. We are right where I expected for the most part. I'll find the thread- but I called 17 wins and a host spot for the season. We'll see in a few weeks

[Commercecomet24]

The SEC is an elite conference. MSU is one of if not the biggest reason why it is an elite conference.

It's funny to me how posters have shifted from:

"We all know this is Lemonis's last season I don't know why we didn't fire him".

To "We look better but I want to see how we do in SEC play. If we go 0-9 we'll be looking for a new coach".

Once that didn't happen now it's "Well we'll see how he does next year. We lose everything".

Boy did you hit the nail on the head! Moving goal posts all year!

[Commercecomet24]

Look if Lemonis is bad next year then he's probably going to be fired. Even C34 has said as much. Let's just enjoy this season for what it is, a good to very good season, and worry about next year after the last out is made on this season. Just like every year, there will be plenty of kids go into the portal and say what you want, but Lemonis has had a lot more hits out of the portal than misses.

Dubrule- hit
Simmons-Incomplete due to injury
Yeager-hit
Larry-hit, despite what some think. He is a two year starter for us. That's a hit
Jess Davis- miss
Nixon- I would say hit. Just wasn't healthy.
Ledbetter- hit
Hujsak-hit
Tyler Davis-hit
Dohm-hit
Hoyle-still confusing as to why we took him. Always told it was a favor to Mangum. Miss
Gartman-not a hit, but not a miss
Stephen-hit
Long-hit
Ligon-I thought miss early on, but now I'm thinking he could be valuable for us
Powell-hit
Kohler- not a hit, but not a miss

I didn't add JUCO guys like Schuelke because the list would've gotten too long. That hit rate is much lower though

The devil you say? I always heard on hear he was a failure in the portal, lol!

Have some rep!

[BuckyIsAB****]

Sorry commerce and 34 I forgot the one game above 500 and 9-21conference record last year. Whew glad we took that series from VMI at the beginning. We were just a turd taking that from us would have made us diarrhea

[KOdawg1]

I won't be mad.

I've hated on Lemonis for damn near 2 years. I've wanted him fired. But if he turns this around and has us in the tournament and in the hosting discussion, I'll gladly eat crow.

Unlike some, I'll admit when I'm wrong and Mississippi State succeeding is more important than me being right

[Commercecomet24]

Sorry commerce and 34 I forgot the one game above 500 and 9-21conference record last year. Whew glad we took that series from VMI at the beginning. We were just a turd taking that from us would have made us diarrhea

Nobody thinks last year was good but at least get the facts right. It was a bad year but we did have a winning record. Also i'm glad you're watching again since you told me you hadn't watched us play after the om series.

[PMDawg]

I didnt predict us last in the West- but that was the preseason expectation. Even our own fans on here said we would suck. As all of you well know- I said we were going to be good this season. We are right where I expected for the most part. I'll find the thread- but I called 17 wins and a host spot for the season. We'll see in a few weeks

And here, he says the quiet part out loud. Here is the entire explanation for why this thread even exists. To this guy, this is all about him. As is everything. Through the years, everyone has said it before" "coach, you care more about being right than MSU athletics". And it's true. So, when he's wrong (which he is a lot, but NEVER admits it), he's big mad. He thinks everyone thinks like him. He can't fathom that there are people out there who didn't think (or still don't think) Lemonis as coach is what's best for MSU long term, yet are PRAYING that they are wrong and he actually is. 99% of us want MSU to win every game we ever play, in every sport, whether that makes us "right" or "wrong". 1% of us care about being right (or at least moving the goal posts or rephrasing the argument such that we appear to have been right).

As a whole, I appreciate coach34 and I like him most of the time. I understand that he brings some good experience, knowledge, and even insider information to most discussions. But this part? I can't stand it. I know you couldn't care less, and I'm just screaming at the sky. But, man, I really wish you could check this. But I know it's hard to change how we're wired. Carry on.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Nobody thinks last year was good but at least get the facts right. It was a bad year but we did have a winning record. Also i'm glad you're watching again since you told me you hadn't watched us play after the om series.

Since he has not let us all update him. We swept Auburn in walk off fashion, took two of three from Vandy capitalized by a Hines, that is Hunter Hines, HR in the top of the 9th of Game 3, and just beat OM in the Governors Cup. I know it is killing him to not be at The Dude this weekend, but hey that Washington Spring Game is tonight and that may be bigger than any event the entire state has ever seen, much less little ole Starkville.

[Brobi-wan]

Since he has not let us all update him. We swept Auburn in walk off fashion, took two of three from Vandy capitalized by a Hines, that is Hunter Hines, HR in the top of the 9th of Game 3, and just beat OM in the Governors Cup. I know it is killing him to not be at The Dude this weekend, but hey that Washington Spring Game is tonight and that may be bigger than any event the entire state has ever seen, much less little ole Starkville.

Washington spring game. Lmao

[Coach34]

too funny

He may or may not be the guy for us long term- but the fact remains as Todd pointed out most of you said we would suck this season, then we would be awful in the SEC, and now its we gonna suck next year. So what makes you right about him being the guy long term? It amazes me the perceptions our fans have of State baseball and really college baseball in general. LSU struggling after winning it should show everyone just how tough it is to maintain in college baseball today.

[RockyDog]

too funny

He may or may not be the guy for us long term- but the fact remains as Todd pointed out most of you said we would suck this season, then we would be awful in the SEC, and now its we gonna suck next year. So what makes you right about him being the guy long term? It amazes me the perceptions our fans have of State baseball and really college baseball in general. LSU struggling after winning it should show everyone just how tough it is to maintain in college baseball today.

We still have idiots arguing that MSU is closer to first than 5th in the SEC. They have those coke bottle sized maroon glasses and that revisionist history at their disposal.

[CaptainObvious]

Lemonis has done better this year on the simple decisions no doubt.
He turned over all pitch change decisions to Parker. Simple decision
After the brain fart or starting Cupp early season, as soon as Mershon was healthy, he made the change. Good decision.
Took him 35 games to get Larry out of the leadoff spot. Very Slow decision but finally got it.
Understanding that Chance was an asset, not a liability. Like C34, it took Lemonis a minute to figure it out. Been an everyday player as he should be and now in leadoff spot. Slow decision but made it.
Not having an option at 3rd and because of solid defense, having to play a .190 hitter there. Poor recruiting or development decisions.

Making Gotro stand halfway down the dugout rail away from him. Good decision.
Letting Cheese sit on the ball bucket while he stands at edge of steps. Good decision.
Getting Jort-fro Jean out of the camera well. Outstanding decision!

[BuckyIsAB****]

Since he has not let us all update him. We swept Auburn in walk off fashion, took two of three from Vandy capitalized by a Hines, that is Hunter Hines, HR in the top of the 9th of Game 3, and just beat OM in the Governors Cup. I know it is killing him to not be at The Dude this weekend, but hey that Washington Spring Game is tonight and that may be bigger than any event the entire state has ever seen, much less little ole Starkville.

First game I watched after we blew it game 2 vs OM and then got run ruled by them was Vandy game 1.

I was at the governors cup.

Walk back to the dugout on this one

[Coach34]

huh? do you know who you're talking to? I'm a huge Lemonis fan. Dude brought us a championship 3 years ago. but youre still wrong, you aren't going to get COY at state being a top 15 ranking with 16 sec wins at the end of the year coming off a losing season. get out of your little bubble of just MSU, it's a national award. Now if he gets us to 18 wins and top 3 in the SEC, yes absolutely.

lol- just saw this

I was talking SEC COY. Shit he doesnt deserve a vote for national COY.....yet

[DEDawg]

lol- just saw this

I was talking SEC COY. Shit he doesnt deserve a vote for national COY.....yet

Makes more sense then. I could get behind that even tho I still think they give it to Schloss

[Todd4State]

Nobody thinks last year was good but at least get the facts right. It was a bad year but we did have a winning record. Also i'm glad you're watching again since you told me you hadn't watched us play after the om series.

In a morbid baseball way I was actually impressed we had a winning season with an ERA over 7. I don't think I've ever seen that before in my life. And actually in a way that's kind of what gave me optimism about our team because I knew that the team didn't quit on Lemonis- see LSU series last year- and we obviously hit well enough to overcome our pitching staff enough to win 27 games I think it was.

[Coach34]

Makes more sense then. I could get behind that even tho I still think they give it to Schloss

oh Schloss and Clown (altho he is starting to fade) would be ahead of him right now. But Lemon can finish off Bammer plus has a shot at UPig next week. Thats the fun. We get to watch it play out

[Todd4State]

too funny

He may or may not be the guy for us long term- but the fact remains as Todd pointed out most of you said we would suck this season, then we would be awful in the SEC, and now its we gonna suck next year. So what makes you right about him being the guy long term? It amazes me the perceptions our fans have of State baseball and really college baseball in general. LSU struggling after winning it should show everyone just how tough it is to maintain in college baseball today.

It's not about their perception of MSU's program. It's about them being "right". At some point.

Lemonis has taken so much crap deserved and undeserved I think he probably just leaves at some point. Unless he partied harder than I did after we won a NC he probably will have enough money in a year or two to go coach at The Citadel if he wants to and be happy.

[The Federalist Engineer]

Look if Lemonis is bad next year then he's probably going to be fired. Even C34 has said as much. Let's just enjoy this season for what it is, a good to very good season, and worry about next year after the last out is made on this season. Just like every year, there will be plenty of kids go into the portal and say what you want, but Lemonis has had a lot more hits out of the portal than misses.

Dubrule- hit
Simmons-Incomplete due to injury
Yeager-hit
Larry-hit, despite what some think. He is a two year starter for us. That's a hit
Jess Davis- miss
Nixon- I would say hit. Just wasn't healthy.
Ledbetter- hit
Hujsak-hit
Tyler Davis-hit
Dohm-hit
Hoyle-still confusing as to why we took him. Always told it was a favor to Mangum. Miss
Gartman-not a hit, but not a miss
Stephen-hit
Long-hit
Ligon-I thought miss early on, but now I'm thinking he could be valuable for us
Powell-hit
Kohler- not a hit, but not a miss

I didn't add JUCO guys like Schuelke because the list would've gotten too long. That hit rate is much lower though

Dubrule: A
Simmons- Injury, No Grade
Yeager: A+
Larry: B, was a good prospect
Jess Davis: D, why get a 250 hitter from UAB?
Nixon: B+
Ledbetter: A+
Hujsak: A
Tyler Davis: A, but got Foxed in 2023
Dohm: A, survived Fox
Hoyle: No Grade, Must have been a self financed player
Gartman: B, until he was completely Foxed
Stephen: A+
Long: C+, desperately needed a catcher
Ligon: D turned into C to B
Powell: B
Kohler: C, would not play in most MSU teams but have no other options

Yeager, Ledbetter and Stephen could help any team in the nation.
Dubrule, Hujsak, Dohm, and Davis would be quality on any MSU team in the last 20 seasons
Nixon would be an A, had he stayed another year
Ligon would an A, if he sticks for a big 2025 role

Fox messed up Gartman, Hardin, and Davis in 2023. Like he messed up Stinnett, Hunt, Fristoe, Tepper, and Cerantola. We can say with confidence that Hardin and Davis are radically different players with Parker, just imagine Parker's bump on huge prospects like Fristoe and Tepper.

[Todd4State]

The thing about the portal is your pretty limited talent wise as far as the actual pool of players. Sure there is always going to be a Paul Skenes, Tommy White, Braden Montgomery Team USA type of guy in the portal but there are really just a handful of them and there is always a ton of competition for those players.

The vast majority are guys looking for playing time meaning that they are mostly just typical players meaning you can help your team if you get the right ones which we mostly have done for the most part. But there aren't very many true superstars like Montgomery. So our fans get upset because we lose out on a guy like Montgomery but the reality is we're actually doing a pretty solid job in the portal overall.

Recruiting high school players is always going to be the core group of any team even in this era IMO. Dakota Jordan, Hunter Hines, Mershon, and etc. are guys you can build around.

JUCO is good for filling out the bullpen and the bench and we've done a good job there too IMO.

[smootness]

NO ONE should be mad that we are doing well, and I do not think anyone is.

[CaptainObvious]

NO ONE should be mad that we are doing well, and I do not think anyone is.

👆👆👆👆👆 The Judges score you a 10 on this comment.

There is NO proof one way or the other that another Coach could have this group of players performing at the current or even a better level if Lemonis had been fired last year after 2 years of FAILURE!

Thst said, Lemonis made some smart moves and they are paying off with SUCCESS!

[Bdawg]

The thing about the portal is your pretty limited talent wise as far as the actual pool of players. Sure there is always going to be a Paul Skenes, Tommy White, Braden Montgomery Team USA type of guy in the portal but there are really just a handful of them and there is always a ton of competition for those players.

The vast majority are guys looking for playing time meaning that they are mostly just typical players meaning you can help your team if you get the right ones which we mostly have done for the most part. But there aren't very many true superstars like Montgomery. So our fans get upset because we lose out on a guy like Montgomery but the reality is we're actually doing a pretty solid job in the portal overall.

Recruiting high school players is always going to be the core group of any team even in this era IMO. Dakota Jordan, Hunter Hines, Mershon, and etc. are guys you can build around.

JUCO is good for filling out the bullpen and the bench and we've done a good job there too IMO.

This is correct. When you are supposed to be top dawgs in your sport, there less superstars out there that can help you. Now we have been down lately and our pool was probably a little bigger to choose from. But like Bama football, there are less players in the portal that will improve your team. But with MSU football, some non-starters at big time programs could help our football team, unlike baseball imo. It’s like you say about baseball, if you can’t get in on any of the studs, you have to be pretty selective and hope you hit on the right ones.

[MoreCowbell]

We will be top 3-4 in the SEC in draft picks this July. This is a dumb take. We have 7 guys guaranteed to be drafted. That means he is bringing talent to Starkville

You just picked 1 year. His last 5 recruiting classes ranked 8th, 11th, 3rd, 6th and 12th in the SEC. He has to be better than that. And we are seeing the results of his 6th ranked class this year which correlates to our 5th place in SEC.

Love what he has done this year but is the last two years the outlier or this year? We will find out in next year or two. Definitely rooting for him though.