2025 MSU Football Recruiting Thread

[civildawg]

No. It is not. OM is driving the price up, but Lockhart will sign with us on Wednesday.

Bump

[StarkVegasSteve]

Bump

Things change. Hell last night he was solid. We all woke up this morning and he wasn't. Welcome to recruiting. Chris Jones was signing with OM until the night before.

[BankerDog]

Held onto to Lo Jac!!!

Told Steve this?but he reminds me so much of Nickoe when Nickoe was in high school. Real deal thumper who is an athlete instead of an athlete playing the game. I think he is going to be good for us.

[BankerDog]

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Shit happens. No sense in paying his price for an unproven high school player who may or may not develop..a la John Lewis, Jonathan Davis, etc.

Eventually we need to get Jason Washington back in a recruiting capacity for us.

[civildawg]

Things change. Hell last night he was solid. We all woke up this morning and he wasn't. Welcome to recruiting. Chris Jones was signing with OM until the night before.

It's amazing how much this happens to us

[StarkVegasSteve]

It's amazing how much this happens to us

OM plays the game better. That simple. They've been organized since Vaught and never wavered. They also hit the biggest stroke of luck they ever hit when they hired Eddy O. He was a terrible HC there, but he showed them how to recruit in the new age of college football. He taught them the tricks. They kept those with them through Nutt and Freeze. And when Kiffin got there and it was legal, it was full steam ahead.

We've been semi organized since Jackie, fell apart under Croom, got really organized under Dan, and then Cohen killed it with letting his baseball boosters run everything and influence the decisions. So we're back to getting things organized again in a world where paying players is not only legal, it's encouraged.

[confucius say]

If Lockhart signs great.
If not, take his money and go get two veterans out of the portal that can help you immediately. We need help all over the field for 2025, and Lockhart, while he may be great in the future, is not an impact guy in 2025.
It's not the end of the world.

[StarkVegasSteve]

If Lockhart signs great.
If not, take his money and go get two veterans out of the portal that can help you immediately.
It's not the end of the world.
Taylor was the big prize.

That's the way to look at it. Also, would expect staff changes to be announced in the coming days.

[Brobi-wan]

That's the way to look at it. Also, would expect staff changes to be announced in the coming days.

Any rumors on who?

[StarkVegasSteve]

Any rumors on who?

I've heard names but not enough confidence to say one way or the other. If you just strictly wanted a guess, I would say Barnes and Turner are gone. Kennedy also may be moving on.

[Santiago]

OM plays the game better. That simple. They've been organized since Vaught and never wavered. They also hit the biggest stroke of luck they ever hit when they hired Eddy O. He was a terrible HC there, but he showed them how to recruit in the new age of college football. He taught them the tricks. They kept those with them through Nutt and Freeze. And when Kiffin got there and it was legal, it was full steam ahead.

We've been semi organized since Jackie, fell apart under Croom, got really organized under Dan, and then Cohen killed it with letting his baseball boosters run everything and influence the decisions. So we're back to getting things organized again in a world where paying players is not only legal, it's encouraged.

Cam Newton woke up some of my buddies out of the Croom era, and back into semi organizing back then.

[StateDawg44]

If Lockhart signs great.
If not, take his money and go get two veterans out of the portal that can help you immediately. We need help all over the field for 2025, and Lockhart, while he may be great in the future, is not an impact guy in 2025.
It's not the end of the world.


I've heard names but not enough confidence to say one way or the other. If you just strictly wanted a guess, I would say Barnes and Turner are gone. Kennedy also may be moving on.

Good. Turner and Kennedy need to go ASAP

[Brobi-wan]

Good. Turner and Kennedy need to go ASAP

Turner more so than the other. We could’ve stood folding chairs out there in most games other than the last one and had better luck. Maybe someone would’ve tripped.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Turner more so than the other. We could’ve stood folding chairs out there in most games other than the last one and had better luck. Maybe someone would’ve tripped.

Like I have said, David Turner was a really good coach in the early and mid 2000s. Unfortunately by the time his second stint came around in 2013, he was past his prime. Then our buddy buddy boosters decided they needed to bring him back again because he recruited Jeff and coached Chris Jones. Both lies. The heavy lifting on Jeff was done by Tony Hughes and Dan. And Chris had flashes at State but was not the Chris Jones of today until he got to the NFL.

[Really Clark?]

Good. Turner and Kennedy need to go ASAP

Kennedy recruited pretty well for us and many thought UM had flipped Miles, Kennedy said hold my beer

[StarkVegasSteve]

Kennedy recruited pretty well for us and many thought UM had flipped Miles, Kennedy said hold my beer

Cody recruited good this cycle and I think he will have some hits in the portal. My thinking of him leaving is solely based on Lebby wanting to bring in Clements.

[Really Clark?]

Cody recruited good this cycle and I think he will have some hits in the portal. My thinking of him leaving is solely based on Lebby wanting to bring in Clements.

Yeah, I can see that.

[KB21]

Cody recruited good this cycle and I think he will have some hits in the portal. My thinking of him leaving is solely based on Lebby wanting to bring in Clements.

He can bring on Randy as an analyst. He's well versed in the offense.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Lockhart to OM. A loss no matter how you look at it. Whether it is a big loss remains to be seen. I imagine this frees up two additional spots because the older Lockhart and Clark will be transferring out of all likelihood.

[KB21]

Lockhart to OM. A loss no matter how you look at it. Whether it is a big loss remains to be seen. I imagine this frees up two additional spots because the older Lockhart and Clark will be transferring out of all likelihood.

I'm curious to see if that ended up being the issue. Were we looking to process those two out anyway?

[StarkVegasSteve]

I'm curious to see if that ended up being the issue. Were we looking to process those two out anyway?

No we were not. But most looked at it as a package deal. The last thing I heard this morning was that the mother and father both wanted him at State. That backed up what Steve said about 30 minutes ago. So be interesting to hear the real story on that one. Lockhart is very impressionable and so it truly could just come down to he went to a cool program. I will be honest, it would not surprise me in the least bit if he's in the portal after spring practice.

[KB21]

No we were not. But most looked at it as a package deal. The last thing I heard this morning was that the mother and father both wanted him at State. That backed up what Steve said about 30 minutes ago. So be interesting to hear the real story on that one. Lockhart is very impressionable and so it truly could just come down to he went to a cool program. I will be honest, it would not surprise me in the least bit if he's in the portal after spring practice.

I'd be willing to bet that those two do not have spots on Ole Miss's roster right now.

[BankerDog]

I'm curious to see if that ended up being the issue. Were we looking to process those two out anyway?

I can tell you that outside of Blanton, Jennings, Tillman, and Mitchell-Hurtzler did not like the LB room.

[Really Clark?]

I'm curious to see if that ended up being the issue. Were we looking to process those two out anyway?

Not really. And the family were not happy with the decision.

[BankerDog]

Not really. And the family were not happy with the decision.

This will wind up being the day that we needed to finally get our stuff in line and organized. It?s happened under Mullen administration, and in typical state fashion we did not capitalize.

[DEDawg]

I've heard names but not enough confidence to say one way or the other. If you just strictly wanted a guess, I would say Barnes and Turner are gone. Kennedy also may be moving on.

After what happened today, we need to publicly release Turner today and AT BEST demote Hutzler and make it clear we understand we have issues and are doing what we can to right the ship

[StarkVegasSteve]

Not really. And the family were not happy with the decision.

They're not happy at all. But at the end of the day, they had to sign those papers. Had they really been that unhappy with it, they could've said you're going to Mississippi State.

[Cooterpoot]

17ing clown show football program

[Bothrops]

It's almost like the staff doesn't look at our future schedule. We are going to lose like Saddam Hussein.

[confucius say]

No we were not. But most looked at it as a package deal. The last thing I heard this morning was that the mother and father both wanted him at State. That backed up what Steve said about 30 minutes ago. So be interesting to hear the real story on that one. Lockhart is very impressionable and so it truly could just come down to he went to a cool program. I will be honest, it would not surprise me in the least bit if he's in the portal after spring practice.

I'm surprised more people don't do this. Negotiate a nice six figure signing bonus to flip and start the monthly payments, then leave in May and go wherever you want.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I'm surprised more people don't do this. Negotiate a nice six figure signing bonus to flip and start the monthly payments, then leave in May and go wherever you want.

Because coaches see that. I get the "get your bag" or "take care of your family" sentiment but for these kids, and especially a flip, to commit to a school in December and then leave in April is beyond a bad look. However, I would say it has a pretty good chance of happening on this one. Now again, his parents could have been feeding State people BS but from what I was told this morning, they went to bed last night and woke up this morning still wanting him at Mississippi State.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I'd be willing to bet that those two do not have spots on Ole Miss's roster right now.

Just confirmed this is correct. Spot may open up, but they do not have a spot as of now. I think Lockhart was told earlier in the process that they would make spots for the older one and Clark, but I don't think those spots exist at the moment. I do not expect Lockhart back in Starkville either. He lied to the coaches.

[Dawgology]

I reeeeeeaaaallly hope you all are now beginning to see what I’ve been preaching. We need a change age in administration. That is, administration that has been involved in state athletics for far too long. It’s time for a big change. Until those changes are made expect the same returns. We have the same administration/booster pals making the same type of hire that are either A) their buddies or B) young/new to the job and easily controlled. As I said previously, be prepared to be left out when conference realignment hits in a few years. It’s over.

[StateDawg44]

As I said previously, be prepared to be left out when conference realignment hits in a few years. It’s over.

I 100% see this happening at some point. May be farther down the road than a few years though.

[Bothrops]

As I said previously, be prepared to be left out when conference realignment hits in a few years. It’s over.

I'm warming up to that idea. I'm probably cool with it.

[DEDawg]

So we lost two 4 stars and flipped one 4 star. All defense. We done for the day?

[maroonmania]

I'm getting to the point that I just don't care anymore even though Im still giving to NIL. Been hearing we had on the order of 20 million dollars to spend on players this off season and we start off by losing two of our best commits.
Beginning to think we will never compete in this new college football landscape. And what was the reason we needed to keep Hutzler at least through Signing Day? I've never really thought OM would totally pass us by until pay for play became necessary. Now I have little doubt they will.

[Really Clark?]

I'm getting to the point that I just don't care anymore even though Im still giving to NIL. Been hearing we had on the order of 20 million dollars to spend on players this off season and we start off by losing two of our best commits.
Beginning to think we will never compete in this new college football landscape. And what was the reason we needed to keep Hutzler at least through Signing Day? I've never really thought OM would totally pass us by until pay for play became necessary. Now I have little doubt they will.

NIL didn't cost us the players that flipped today. We didn't get out bid, just out recruited.

[DEDawg]

NIL didn't cost us the players that flipped today. We didn't get out bid, just out recruited.

Not sure how someone like Lebby and Hutzler who both have seen this game on the other side at Ole Miss, OU, and Alabama aren?t prepared. I guess you have to delegate out a certain amount but if we got out worked at the position coach level then heads should roll

[Offshore Dawg]

I wonder if it occurs to some of you that some players just have zero interest in coming to State.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I wonder if it occurs to some of you that some players just have zero interest in coming to State.

It does but then people would have to admit that unless you grew up a State fan, went to State, or are currently a student at State; Starkville is not exactly a desirable place for the average 18-21 year old. Moreso for athletes.

[Todd4State]

NIL didn't cost us the players that flipped today. We didn't get out bid, just out recruited.

The truth is if we even go 5-7 and show promise we probably get Cunningham, Lockhart, and etc.

[StarkVegasSteve]

The truth is if we even go 5-7 and show promise we probably get Cunningham, Lockhart, and etc.

The Toledo game killed our chances with Cunningham. That was his OV and we sucked that night. Plain and simple. The Lockhart thing will remain a mystery til someone talks.

[civildawg]

I don't blame Cunningham at all.

[HancockCountyDog]

The Toledo game killed our chances with Cunningham. That was his OV and we sucked that night. Plain and simple. The Lockhart thing will remain a mystery til someone talks.

I do not think the Lockhart thing is hard to figure out. His brother and buddy didnt sniff the field while we went 2-10; The bears almost made the playoffs and Im sure made a big nil offer.

I do not understand how we missed on Cunningham. Our NIL offer should have been obscene.

[Todd4State]

The Toledo game killed our chances with Cunningham. That was his OV and we sucked that night. Plain and simple. The Lockhart thing will remain a mystery til someone talks.

That's the kind of thing I'm talking about. We can't lay an egg against people like Toledo.

I don't know about Lockhart but I think I saw where he said something to the effect of he liked how Ole Miss played defense. They took at least a couple of more players that were leans to us at one point in time too- Dunn and Cortez Thomas. Probably for the same reason. No one wants to play for a dumpster fire.

[maroonmania]

That's the kind of thing I'm talking about. We can't lay an egg against people like Toledo.

I don't know about Lockhart but I think I saw where he said something to the effect of he liked how Ole Miss played defense. They took at least a couple of more players that were leans to us at one point in time too- Dunn and Cortez Thomas. Probably for the same reason. No one wants to play for a dumpster fire.

Yep, the whole defensive staff sucks but the day Lebby hired Hutzler was maybe the worst day MSU football has seen recently. There was a reason our staff couldn't pull defensive portal players last year and there is a reason that we had multiple de-commitments from HS defensive recruits this year and that reason is a DC that no players have any faith in.

[Brobi-wan]

That's the kind of thing I'm talking about. We can't lay an egg against people like Toledo.

I don't know about Lockhart but I think I saw where he said something to the effect of he liked how Ole Miss played defense. They took at least a couple of more players that were leans to us at one point in time too- Dunn and Cortez Thomas. Probably for the same reason. No one wants to play for a dumpster fire.

It just takes a handful of kids who don’t care about where they are and just want to buy a Hellcat. There’s truth in what you’re saying. There’s truth in the fact that some kids just don’t care where they are and will go to the highest bidder.

I’ll reserve judgement until portal closes.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Boys I have been trying to tell yall for a while that this is not going to end well. I have been getting raged at but this is not the last embarrassing day we will have with Lebby Keenum and selmon.

[Dawgology]

I wonder if it occurs to some of you that some players just have zero interest in coming to State.

The issue is the ones who want to come to state, who have friends/family at state, and whose parents want them to go to state b/c we are afraid to commit to paying and recruiting players. We are afraid to commit to a professional, modern production in game day, etc. this can be directly attributed to gold bricking personnel that litter the athletic department. Big changes are needed.

[Brobi-wan]

Boys I have been trying to tell yall for a while that this is not going to end well. I have been getting raged at but this is not the last embarrassing day we will have with Lebby Keenum and selmon.

This class is literally comparable to every class that Leach brought in here. I’m not saying you’re completely wrong. It’s just not much different than the usual.

[BuckyIsAB****]

This class is literally comparable to every class that Leach brought in here. I’m not saying you’re completely wrong. It’s just not much different than the usual.

I dont remember leach going 2-10 and getting destroyed by Toledo

[DEDawg]

I dont remember leach going 2-10 and getting destroyed by Toledo

Bro please we are begging you. You have your own thread you made with the same ad nauseam talking points just keep it there and let?s keep this one for recruiting.

[DEDawg]

Lebby Tweeting? anyone big still out there we are expecting? Jackson Arnold? https://x.com/coach_leb/status/1864503386403688601?s=46&t=ID24LbHaAiOwVOmMGHXcTA

[Really Clark?]

Lebby Tweeting? anyone big still out there we are expecting? Jackson Arnold? https://x.com/coach_leb/status/1864503386403688601?s=46&t=ID24LbHaAiOwVOmMGHXcTA

Yes, something is brewing. Weird chatter

[DEDawg]

Yes, something is brewing. Weird chatter

Any info? It?s chatter on JA?

[StarkVegasSteve]

It is Lockhart related.

[BankerDog]

Lockhart has signed his papers and it ain?t with Ole Miss. what a day for Hutz! Jeff Lebby welcome to the big time. Wow

[Really Clark?]

Any info? It?s chatter on JA?

No, not sure I'm suppose say much or who it's about as it's being flushed out. But it's a recruit from today is what I'm told.

[DEDawg]

Lockhart has signed his papers and it ain?t with Ole Miss. what a day for Hutz! Jeff Lebby welcome to the big time. Wow
No way

[BankerDog]

No, not sure I'm suppose say much or who it's about as it's being flushed out. But it's a recruit from today is what I'm told.

Lebby and Hutz just pulled a power move. Lockhart to State

[Really Clark?]

Lockhart has signed!!

[DEDawg]

Lebby and Hutz just pulled a power move. Lockhart to State

Know the details? If true I have never seen us do something like this on signing day. Usually it?s the other way around. These guys might know what they are doing.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Know the details? If true I have never seen us do something like this on signing day. Usually it?s the other way around. These guys might know what they are doing.

Has to do with the parents. Momma won out.

[Todd4State]

Holy shit! Well played Lebby!

[Really Clark?]

Know the details? If true I have never seen us do something like this on signing day. Usually it?s the other way around. These guys might know what they are doing.

I thought they had signed but it seems momma put her foot down

[Really Clark?]

Has to do with the parents. Momma won out.

Same thing I was just told. Wow

[Really Clark?]

Lebby and Hutz just pulled a power move. Lockhart to State

They sure did! Well momma too! I didn't see this coming and hadn't heard anything about it until a little while ago

[RezDog7]

I dont remember leach going 2-10 and getting destroyed by Toledo

Hey buddy, not sure if you heard, but Leach died. MSU didn't kill him either.

[LC Dawg]

A good athletic department would get Lockhart to the Hump tonight to be seen celebrating a top 25 win.

[StarkVegasSteve]

They're not happy at all. But at the end of the day, they had to sign those papers. Had they really been that unhappy with it, they could've said you're going to Mississippi State.

Update: This is exactly what happened.

[HancockCountyDog]

They sure did! Well momma too! I didn't see this coming and hadn't heard anything about it until a little while ago

I heard they told Mama that this was a package deal and that big bro can start looking for a spot at Belhaven and mama handled it.

[civildawg]

I heard they told Mama that this was a package deal and that big bro can start looking for a spot at Belhaven and mama handled it.

If true, that's pretty ruthless haha crazier recruitment Lockhart or Robert Elliot?

[HancockCountyDog]

If true, that's pretty ruthless haha crazier recruitment Lockhart or Robert Elliot?

I?ve been told this by multiple people. Obviously it was worded a lot nicer, but this was the message and momma didn?t want him at Ole Miss to begin with with and this was the final straw.

Only downside is that the kid doesn?t want to be here.

[msstate7]

Only downside is that the kid doesn?t want to be here.

Welcome to the club... none of us wanna be dawgs these days lol

[StarkVegasSteve]

I?ve been told this by multiple people. Obviously it was worded a lot nicer, but this was the message and momma didn?t want him at Ole Miss to begin with with and this was the final straw.

Only downside is that the kid doesn?t want to be here.

If that kid TRULY wanted to be at Ole Miss, he would be at Ole Miss. They would have found a way. The actual story is that the decision was made late yesterday afternoon that he was coming to State and then Pete Golding was blowing his phone up last night and got him to wavering. When his parents got to the school it was a foregone conclusion he was signing with State, that is why TJ was even there. It is also why he was wearing an Adidas jacket. He did not let them know he was picking OM until right before he walked on stage. He realized about 3 PM he had made a mistake and we have been working things through with the family since. It was made easier by the fact that the mom never signed anything with OM

[civildawg]

If that kid TRULY wanted to be at Ole Miss, he would be at Ole Miss. They would have found a way. The actual story is that the decision was made late yesterday afternoon that he was coming to State and then Pete Golding was blowing his phone up last night and got him to wavering. When his parents got to the school it was a foregone conclusion he was signing with State, that is why TJ was even there. It is also why he was wearing an Adidas jacket. He did not let them know he was picking OM until right before he walked on stage. He realized about 3 PM he had made a mistake and we have been working things through with the family since. It was made easier by the fact that the mom never signed anything with OM

Jesus man, I can't imagine being a college coach

[HancockCountyDog]

If that kid TRULY wanted to be at Ole Miss, he would be at Ole Miss. They would have found a way. The actual story is that the decision was made late yesterday afternoon that he was coming to State and then Pete Golding was blowing his phone up last night and got him to wavering. When his parents got to the school it was a foregone conclusion he was signing with State, that is why TJ was even there. It is also why he was wearing an Adidas jacket. He did not let them know he was picking OM until right before he walked on stage. He realized about 3 PM he had made a mistake and we have been working things through with the family since. It was made easier by the fact that the mom never signed anything with OM

I was told mom wouldnt sign because she understood the consequences.

I hope it?s true because it lets me know Lebby aint screwing around.

[BigDawg81]

If that kid TRULY wanted to be at Ole Miss, he would be at Ole Miss. They would have found a way. The actual story is that the decision was made late yesterday afternoon that he was coming to State and then Pete Golding was blowing his phone up last night and got him to wavering. When his parents got to the school it was a foregone conclusion he was signing with State, that is why TJ was even there. It is also why he was wearing an Adidas jacket. He did not let them know he was picking OM until right before he walked on stage. He realized about 3 PM he had made a mistake and we have been working things through with the family since. It was made easier by the fact that the mom never signed anything with OM

He didn?t want to be at Ole Miss. Hell, he said the University of Ole Miss at his announcement

[StarkVegasSteve]

I was told mom wouldnt sign because she understood the consequences.

I hope it?s true because it lets me know Lebby aint screwing around.

Was also told that. We helped Lockhart realize he screwed up. Lebby made it be known he was not being played on this one. We were about to go scorched earth and his brother would have been in the path of that.

[mparkerfd20]

I like the FAFO attitude Lebby seems to have if things went down as being told.

[Really Clark?]

Charlie rising up too late at night! Let's go work!

[confucius say]

What a day.

[Really Clark?]

What a day.

It ain't over

[confucius say]

It ain't over

So I hear.
I can only take so much in one night (immunity)

[Really Clark?]

So I hear.
I can only take so much in one night (immunity)

I hear ya! If nothing else, nobody can complain about Lebby not fighting for recruits

[confucius say]

I hear ya! If nothing else, nobody can complain about Lebby not fighting for recruits

We going to know anything more tonight or is that a wrap until tomorrow?

[Bdawg]

It ain't over

What’s brewing?

[Really Clark?]

What?s brewing?

I think now it may just have been a delayed post by Charlie and some others and it's just about Lockhart. Had people starting to call around to see who we got late.

ETA. I will post if I hear different in the next 30 minutes or so.

[confucius say]

Word is we could have one more

[Bothrops]

This sort of reminds me of Arkansas' recruitment of Alex Collins years ago.

[HancockCountyDog]

This sort of reminds me of Arkansas' recruitment of Alex Collins years ago.

One of the more dialed in posters on On3 basically confirmed what I was told, big bro was on scholarship and receiving NIL (not much, but some) for only one reason and it wasn?t to play third team OG. He was going to be processed and mama put her foot down.

This is how real SEC teams handle business.

[maroonmania]

I?ve been told this by multiple people. Obviously it was worded a lot nicer, but this was the message and momma didn?t want him at Ole Miss to begin with with and this was the final straw.

Only downside is that the kid doesn?t want to be here.

Well, neither did Chris Jones apparently and that worked out ok due to Momma putting her foot down. Best pull on the defensive side that Lebby and Hutz have gotten. Congrats to them and us.

[Todd4State]

Was also told that. We helped Lockhart realize he screwed up. Lebby made it be known he was not being played on this one. We were about to go scorched earth and his brother would have been in the path of that.

NICE!

[Coursesuper]

I dont remember leach going 2-10 and getting destroyed by Toledo

Quit moving the 17ing goal post you pathetic troll.

[KB21]

Is Ferzell Shepherd a grades issue right now? JUCO bound?

[StarkVegasSteve]

Is Ferzell Shepherd a grades issue right now? JUCO bound?

We will monitor him but he is going to be a grades issue.

[Bdawg]

One of the more dialed in posters on On3 basically confirmed what I was told, big bro was on scholarship and receiving NIL (not much, but some) for only one reason and it wasn?t to play third team OG. He was going to be processed and mama put her foot down.

This is how real SEC teams handle business.

So when does big bro graduate and we lose our leverage?

[Bdawg]

Word is we could have one more

Any word on this today?

[StarkVegasSteve]

Any word on this today?

We're done with HS recruiting unless something pops up late. A lot of people were thinking Charlie tweeting later than the rest meant another one was coming but it doesn't. Charlie was just busy with boosters at the basketball game and didn't get his tweet off until later.

[confucius say]

Any word on this today?

False alarm

[BigDawg81]

2026 but Yates decommitted

[Bothrops]

2026 but Yates decommitted

If we keep JJ Hill it won't matter.

[BigDawg81]

I hear that we got another commitment WR Gracen Harris that decommited from Oklahoma. I can?t 100% confirm this

[StarkVegasSteve]

I hear that we got another commitment WR Gracen Harris that decommited from Oklahoma. I can?t 100% confirm this

We did apparently. Appears this is related to Arnold stuff.

[DownwardDawg]

FSU QB visiting??? Is this new?

[msu15]

What's the deal with Iloh? Did he even play football this fall?

[Pancho]

i thought he was a DE

[Really Clark?]

i thought he was a DE

He played both but we are looking at him as TE

[Pancho]

Is Keenum expected to be a 3 yr starter at C for us. How many years does Sylla have to play?

[StarkVegasSteve]

Is Keenum expected to be a 3 yr starter at C for us. How many years does Sylla have to play?

Probably for the transfer board but I'll answer. I doubt Keenum starts this year, I think Carson Lee ends up at Center. But if he did win the job, yes we would have him for 3 years. As for Sylla, he'll be a RS Junior. So we'll have him for two years.

[Really Clark?]

Probably for the transfer board but I'll answer. I doubt Keenum starts this year, I think Carson Lee ends up at Center. But if he did win the job, yes we would have him for 3 years. As for Sylla, he'll be a RS Junior. So we'll have him for two years.

Sylla has never redshirted. He has 2 to play 1.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Sylla has never redshirted. He has 2 to play 1.

Interesting. I thought he had RS'd this year. You may be right though. He's played more than I thought. Didn't realize he actually played in every game his Freshman and Sophomore year.

[HancockCountyDog]

Interesting. I thought he had RS'd this year. You may be right though. He's played more than I thought. Didn't realize he actually played in every game his Freshman and Sophomore year.

Yeah - special teams - kid is an athlete. Hope we can put it all together.

[MetEdDawg]

Just got another commit. JUCO LB Montreal Chapman.

Anyone have anything on him? Not seeing many good offers. Interesting late take for us.

[Pancho]

never heard of him

[StarkVegasSteve]

Just got another commit. JUCO LB Montreal Chapman.

Anyone have anything on him? Not seeing many good offers. Interesting late take for us.

He'll be a guy that will fight for a roster spot in the Spring. We have brought in a few guys like that.

[Goldendawg]

He'll be a guy that will fight for a roster spot in the Spring. We have brought in a few guys like that.

He is our worse ranked commit per 24/7, HS/JC at a three star .83, National 64, position 4 & State 28. If you look at our JC commits their offer sheets are pitiful for all but about two . No SEC offers for any of them except us & OM. Maybe Lebby was right on signing day that he was glad to have signed some big guys for the Scout Team to practice against. Did we have little to no talent from the starters to the Scout Team. This is very concerning & the vast majority of these JC signees may be as big a bust as Jackie's haul of about 20 jis last year including the entire Western AZ JC DL line. Time will tell but on paper no SEC talent as per interest from our SEC opponents.

[KOdawg1]

He is our worse ranked commit per 24/7, HS/JC at a three star .83, National 64, position 4 & State 28. If you look at our JC commits their offer sheets are pitiful for all but about two . No SEC offers for any of them except us & OM. Maybe Lebby was right on signing day that he was glad to have signed some big guys for the Scout Team to practice against. Did we have little to no talent from the starters to the Scout Team. This is very concerning & the vast majority of these JC signees may be as big a bust as Jackie's haul of about 20 jis last year including the entire Western AZ JC DL line. Time will tell but on paper no SEC talent as per interest from our SEC opponents.

He very well could get cut after the spring.

[StarkVegasSteve]

He is our worse ranked commit per 24/7, HS/JC at a three star .83, National 64, position 4 & State 28. If you look at our JC commits their offer sheets are pitiful for all but about two . No SEC offers for any of them except us & OM. Maybe Lebby was right on signing day that he was glad to have signed some big guys for the Scout Team to practice against. Did we have little to no talent from the starters to the Scout Team. This is very concerning & the vast majority of these JC signees may be as big a bust as Jackie's haul of about 20 jis last year including the entire Western AZ JC DL line. Time will tell but on paper no SEC talent as per interest from our SEC opponents.

Then he may be cut after spring. A lot of these JUCO guys that we brought in, were brought in for depth and practice bodies. I think we brought in 10 or 11 JUCO guys. I would say all but 2, maybe 3, are going to be practice bodies and fighting for a roster spot in the spring. I would venture a guess that Mitchell and Miles are the only two that are going to be fighting for starting spots. Clinton and Lafeau COULD get to that level. They both have the bodies to play their positions.

[HancockCountyDog]

Then he may be cut after spring. A lot of these JUCO guys that we brought in, were brought in for depth and practice bodies. I think we brought in 10 or 11 JUCO guys. I would say all but 2, maybe 3, are going to be practice bodies and fighting for a roster spot in the spring. I would venture a guess that Mitchell and Miles are the only two that are going to be fighting for starting spots. Clinton and Lafeau COULD get to that level. They both have the bodies to play their positions.

I keep hearing that we brought in these juco guys and that they aren't guaranteed a roster spot for next fall. I'm not sure what I think about that, because I talked to a Juco coach at PRCC and he told me that he has never heard of that because most of the JUCO guys we signed had other options, sure they may have been G5 options, but they were solid options.

I just don't see us cutting Juco kids, especially considering the numbers on our roster currently.

I guess we will find out soon enough, but I just don't think there will be some mass culling of the roster in April of Juco kids we signed in December/February.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I keep hearing that we brought in these juco guys and that they aren't guaranteed a roster spot for next fall. I'm not sure what I think about that, because I talked to a Juco coach at PRCC and he told me that he has never heard of that because most of the JUCO guys we signed had other options, sure they may have been G5 options, but they were solid options.

I just don't see us cutting Juco kids, especially considering the numbers on our roster currently.

I guess we will find out soon enough, but I just don't think there will be some mass culling of the roster in April of Juco kids we signed in December/February.

Cut is probably a strong word. They won't technically be cut. They'll just be practice squad. I guess I should've clarified roster spot on the gameday roster. Like they'll still be with the team but will be practice squad. So cut from the gameday roster is probably a better word. Basically, we're bringing them in and if they can't hack it we'll tell them they can be on the practice squad or they can transfer. We took 11, I just looked, and I would venture a guess that 3-5 will be in the portal after spring ball

[Really Clark?]

I keep hearing that we brought in these juco guys and that they aren't guaranteed a roster spot for next fall. I'm not sure what I think about that, because I talked to a Juco coach at PRCC and he told me that he has never heard of that because most of the JUCO guys we signed had other options, sure they may have been G5 options, but they were solid options.

I just don't see us cutting Juco kids, especially considering the numbers on our roster currently.

I guess we will find out soon enough, but I just don't think there will be some mass culling of the roster in April of Juco kids we signed in December/February.

Well not going to speculate on specific players, whether they are JUCO or transfers, but several are going to be on the collective scholarship with an opportunity to make the team and make some money as well. That's the edge over the G5 offers.

[HancockCountyDog]

Well not going to speculate on specific players, whether they are JUCO or transfers, but several are going to be on the collective scholarship with an opportunity to make the team and make some money as well. That's the edge over the G5 offers.

Why would we waste Collective dollars on a fringe 85 player, when we could just keep him on scholarship and use the collective money towards an impact player in the portal. I swear, I'll never understand this new NIL world.

[Really Clark?]

Why would we waste Collective dollars on a fringe 85 player, when we could just keep him on scholarship and use the collective money towards an impact player in the portal. I swear, I'll never understand this new NIL world.

The roster still has a hard 85 scholarship limit but walkons will be no more soon and rosters will have 105 players potentially. So we need to go ahead and start getting ahead of the collective scholarships.

[BankerDog]

Why would we waste Collective dollars on a fringe 85 player, when we could just keep him on scholarship and use the collective money towards an impact player in the portal. I swear, I'll never understand this new NIL world.

Because our scout team players had no business being on the field playing against our 1s. There is a reason Lebby let Creed continue to practice..to give our 1s a more live look during the week. We had to start going 1 vs 2 during the week the back half of the year to get a more meaningful look to what we?d see on Saturdays. No wonder we started seeing some better production the last few weeks outside of Arkansas.

Leb even told people during NSD press conference, he brought a lot of the guys on to see if they?d develop and make into a meaningful player. Think of this as the NFL?you have guys who are practice squad players developing and active roster guys.

[RockyDog]

This predicament we are in tells you everything you need to know about Leach and Arnept?s ability to build and maintain a roster. Yet we have a bunch of loudmouth clowns on this and other boards that want to lay the blame solely at the feet of Lebby and Selmon. It?s ludicrous. And it shows that this fanbase can be so damn dumb.

[StarkVegasSteve]

This predicament we are in tells you everything you need to know about Leach and Arnept?s ability to build and maintain a roster. Yet we have a bunch of loudmouth clowns on this and other boards that want to lay the blame solely at the feet of Lebby and Selmon. It?s ludicrous. And it shows that this fanbase can be so damn dumb.

Arnept.....that's a good one!

[msu15]

This predicament we are in tells you everything you need to know about Leach and Arnept?s ability to build and maintain a roster. Yet we have a bunch of loudmouth clowns on this and other boards that want to lay the blame solely at the feet of Lebby and Selmon. It?s ludicrous. And it shows that this fanbase can be so damn dumb.

No doubt. We should've hired Sark over Leach 100 times out of 100. Mike's staff tanked this program.

[StarkVegasSteve]

No doubt. We should've hired Sark over Leach 100 times out of 100. Mike's staff tanked this program.

Now that's a true statement. Mike did not tank the program. Mike's staff did. And ultimately the buck does stop with the HC of the program. Emerick and Dudek killed us as a program. He allowed them to be head of recruiting because Mike hated recruiting. He relied on them to go find him players and he'd coach them up. And to his credit, he got everything possible out of guys. I mean look at how many guys regressed after Leach. Mike had complete buy in. And you don't see that a lot.

From a 10 ft view, Leach was a good hire. From a 10,000 ft view, you hire Steve Sarkisian EVERY TIME. Even if it's only for two years.

[msstate7]

No doubt. We should've hired Sark over Leach 100 times out of 100. Mike's staff tanked this program.

I hated leach's style, but he was an excellent HC. He's so good in fact that he can put a respectable team on the field that has no business being respectable. The problem when he leaves is there's basically no one else that do it.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I hated leach's style, but he was an excellent HC. He's so good in fact that he can put a respectable team on the field that has no business being respectable. The problem when he leaves is there's basically no one else that do it.

BINGO. We all said that no one ran Leach's system like Leach. I think we all thought we were talking about just the offense. It was the way he ran the program. I think we all underestimated how much he got out of guys that had no business playing the SEC. I mean Makai Polk goes from like 16 catches at Cal to over 100 under Leach. Scooby Ford was a walk on who never sniffed the field, until Leach. He catches 19/247 in 2021. He tried to transfer and never played a snap again. And that's just two examples. We have tons. Will Rogers is another one.

[Todd4State]

I hated leach's style, but he was an excellent HC. He's so good in fact that he can put a respectable team on the field that has no business being respectable. The problem when he leaves is there's basically no one else that do it.

If you are going to transition from Leach as coach the one thing I wouldn't do is run something the polar opposite of what he was running.

We could have hired someone like Ben Arbuckle and the transition would have been much easier.

Heck- we could have hires Tyson Helton, kept the Air Raid, had Will Friend, Chad Bumphis, and Jamar Chaney and everyone would have been happy.

[Cooterpoot]

I keep hearing that we brought in these juco guys and that they aren't guaranteed a roster spot for next fall. I'm not sure what I think about that, because I talked to a Juco coach at PRCC and he told me that he has never heard of that because most of the JUCO guys we signed had other options, sure they may have been G5 options, but they were solid options.

I just don't see us cutting Juco kids, especially considering the numbers on our roster currently.

I guess we will find out soon enough, but I just don't think there will be some mass culling of the roster in April of Juco kids we signed in December/February.

This is a new thing with the change in scholarship disbursement and expected roster changes

[BigDawg81]

WR Cameron Sparks from Baylor High School is set to make a decision and State is in the mix. I haven?t heard anything about this player so doubting it?s State.

[KOdawg1]

WR Cameron Sparks from Baylor High School is set to make a decision and State is in the mix. I haven?t heard anything about this player so doubting it?s State.

Virginia Tech. Too slow to be a WR. Probably more of a TE.

[StarkVegasSteve]

WR Cameron Sparks from Baylor High School is set to make a decision and State is in the mix. I haven?t heard anything about this player so doubting it?s State.

He was heavily rumored to us back in August but we kind of cooled on him more than he cooled on us after that.

[msu15]

I'm guessing we officially dropped Ferzell Shephard.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I'm guessing we officially dropped Ferzell Shephard.

We didn't drop him, he couldn't qualify. He's going JUCO. We'll monitor for a a couple of years to see if he can get the grades up.

[msu15]

We didn't drop him, he couldn't qualify. He's going JUCO. We'll monitor for a a couple of years to see if he can get the grades up.

Ah 10-4. I just saw the South Florida visit and didn't know if they were signing him.