NIL just going to get harder and harder to compete

[Coach34]

https://twitter.com/on3nil/status/1781309910384324790?s=46&t=OwYh-8ppYKXqKt8QQD9Mtw


https://x.com/on3nil/status/1781309910384324790?s=46&t=OwYh-8ppYKXqKt8QQD9Mtw

(Link in case the it didn’t work)

(Fixed - Scooba)

[Coursesuper]

Yep.

[BrunswickDawg]

And with Facilities
https://twitter.com/On3sports/status/1781028646787965346

[Churchill]

Good for FedEx. They did what they should've done.

[Fred Garvin]

Yep. When your state has no Fortune 500 companies ...

[TrapGame]

Yep. When your state has no Fortune 500 companies ...

Yet, supposedly we have a couple of billionaire alums that flat out refuse to give money to athletics, only academics.

[R2Dawg]

Yet, supposedly we have a couple of billionaire alums that flat out refuse to give money to athletics, only academics.

And I don't blame them one bit. They give to the things that matter and make real money. I love sports but it is entertainment only. Sports don't pay any bills, actually sports creates bills in 99% of households. The degree that does life supporting things is more important.

Let the rich sports alumni give to their college of sports? Oh wait, no one will do that just expect the engineers, business and education majors to foot the bill.

Can you imagine the outcry from athletics if engineering came crying to sports to fund them? Can yall see the hypocrisy? This is what is wrong with our culture. This is what led to the fall of the Roman empire.

As I've said repeatedly, the house of cards will crumble one day; the sports ballon will burst.

[R2Dawg]

Yep. When your state has no Fortune 500 companies ...

We have some big companies in MS but those companies invest in the schools that actually give them a return. Those companies invest plenty in the schools that impact what they do in business and sports ain't it. Sports continues to have its hand out dependent on the real money makers in the world.

We choose to spend our entertainment household money on supporting sports but that could end tomorrow. This money is all discretionary money from each household budget.

[parabrave]

How much of the TV money does MSU put into the NIL?

[Commercecomet24]

College sports is just turning into another professional sports league(minor league at best). My question is why do we need more professional sports? The best of the best are already in mlb,nfl,nba,etc.. We're reaching the point now where minor leaguers(college athletes) are going to be making ridiculous salaries. The bubble has to burst at some point.

[Coach34]

How much of the TV money does MSU put into the NIL?

Zero. Schools cant use their money for NIL

[Leeshouldveflanked]

But what are we doing to outside of hitting people and businesses up for NIL money?. Ole Miss Athletics is scheduling one or two Stadium concerts a year. They are going ton make well over $1Million for Athletics for Morgan Wallen part 2. Charlie cant do it all by himself.

[MoreCowbell]

We are entering a very dark period for MSU sports unfortunately

[Saltydog]

Toyota is a Fortune 500 Global company. Matter o' fact they're top 10. I'm sure there are probably others if you look hard enough. Sanderson Farms was in it as recently as 2021.

[SPMT]

College sports is just turning into another professional sports league(minor league at best). My question is why do we need more professional sports? The best of the best are already in mlb,nfl,nba,etc.. We're reaching the point now where minor leaguers(college athletes) are going to be making ridiculous salaries. The bubble has to burst at some point.

Let?s hope. It?s certainly not as interesting as it used to be. More the transfer at will aspect but the emphasis on pay has contributed as well. The original spirit of NIL is not what we are getting. We are getting a pool of money from wherever then paying people for a year of play. From what I?ve seen few, if any, are actually using their name image or likeness for anything or any business.

[parabrave]

Zero. Schools cant use their money for NIL

So the organizations that make the most off a players Name Image and Likeness of the Athletes don't use any of the Millions they get for the NIL. But Joe and Jane Blow are expected to pay even after shelling out hundreds of dollars to attend a game. What do the Schools contribute to the NIL.

[Cooterpoot]

We are entering a very dark period for MSU sports unfortunately

We just brought in a football coach who has just about flipped the roster and recruiting well. Back back NCAA tourneys for the first time in like 20 years. Just need a baseball coach that can recruit and coach and I'd say we're fine.

[DEDawg]

Zero. Schools cant use their money for NIL

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/39967961/virginia-law-allows-schools-pay-athletes-nil

[BeardoMSU]

We just brought in a football coach who has just about flipped the roster and recruiting well. Back back NCAA tourneys for the first time in like 20 years. Just need a baseball coach that can recruit and coach and I'd say we're fine.

^^^^

[EdwardDrayton]

Memphis is still gonna suck bean farts

[TheLostDawg]

Zero. Schools cant use their money for NIL

Not so fast.

https://www.si.com/college/2024/04/18/virginia-nil-law-college-sports

[EdwardDrayton]

Not so fast.

https://www.si.com/college/2024/04/18/virginia-nil-law-college-sports

One step closer to the end of amateur sports. Sad times.

[Offshore Dawg]

Then the Dawgs will be fielding a team of leftovers. Recruiting has become who is the highest bidder gets the best players.

[Fred Garvin]

Toyota is a Fortune 500 Global company. Matter o' fact they're top 10. I'm sure there are probably others if you look hard enough. Sanderson Farms was in it as recently as 2021.

None are headquartered in MS. HQ?s are where the highly compensated reside. Wayne-Sanderson Farms is headquartered in GA.

[Cooterpoot]

Memphis is still gonna suck bean farts


They won't in basketball

[R2Dawg]

None are headquartered in MS. HQ?s are where the highly compensated reside. Wayne-Sanderson Farms is headquartered in GA.

Somewhat true. IP has operations in MS and is headquartered in Memphis but they greatly support engineering schools at MSU. Why? Because that is where the return on their investment is at. They don't give $$$ to Memphis sports because they reside in Memphis.

[Walkerhill]

Somewhat true. IP has operations in MS and is headquartered in Memphis but they greatly support engineering schools at MSU. Why? Because that is where the return on their investment is at. They don't give $$$ to Memphis sports because they reside in Memphis.

I think it cuts both ways. The flagship universities are going to have complete teams every year, because they can buy a shovel-ready solution at every position. And will continue to have top recruiting classes. Both fueled by NIL advantages.

But these rub against each other - it will be hard to break into these squads for first time starters. And they will not t be able to stockpile depth anymore, because a tier 2 team (for ease just define the top half of the SEC in ath. dept. revenue is tier 1, the bottom half is tier 2) is lurking to give a starting position to second string player. The tier 1 NIL package for player 30 will not be able to beat the tier 2 NIL pacakage for position 10, and the modern college athlete is not going to wait years to play.

And the tier 2 team can also pick off experienced P5 players to plug holes.

The tier 1 team has an advantage but it is fragile. A few injuries or player recruitment busts (especially at qb) and you are struggling. In the past the tier 2 teams would have gaps or perennial weaknesses at positions like cb, ot, de. Now they can plug those holes with near-tier 1 players.

The margins are thinner for everyone - Coaching, injuries, player scouting and development, portal recruiting will be the difference.

[parabrave]

I think it cuts both ways. The flagship universities are going to have complete teams every year, because they can buy a shovel-ready solution at every position. And will continue to have top recruiting classes. Both fueled by NIL advantages.

But these rub against each other - it will be hard to break into these squads for first time starters. And they will not t be able to stockpile depth anymore, because a tier 2 team (for ease just define the top half of the SEC in ath. dept. revenue is tier 1, the bottom half is tier 2) is lurking to give a starting position to second string player. The tier 1 NIL package for player 30 will not be able to beat the tier 2 NIL pacakage for position 10, and the modern college athlete is not going to wait years to play.

And the tier 2 team can also pick off experienced P5 players to plug holes.

The tier 1 team has an advantage but it is fragile. A few injuries or player recruitment busts (especially at qb) and you are struggling. In the past the tier 2 teams would have gaps or perennial weaknesses at positions like cb, ot, de. Now they can plug those holes with near-tier 1 players.

The margins are thinner for everyone - Coaching, injuries, player scouting and development, portal recruiting will be the difference.

Main reason why Saban left. Another thing about the moving around every year or other year is that these players cannot develop properly. Face it the last 2 years the quality of the product on the field has regressed/ The kids have to learn new systems every year and cannot get proficient in their trade/

[EdwardDrayton]

They won't in basketball

They have never won it and they never will.

[maroonmania]

We are entering a very dark period for MSU sports unfortunately

Agree, until there is some sort of NIL cap or something that will allow school funds to help pay players we are on the decline big time. OM has way more rich alumni interested in athletics than we do so they will make out much better in these ongoing bidding wars. We can't even get elite baseball players anymore in the one sport that we SHOULD be a destination location because there are still schools willing even in that sport willing to outbid us. Think how much better we would be this year if we had gotten Holman or Montgomery. We really lucked up that Cal Stephen has turned out to be as good as he is.

[Turfdawg67]

Then the Dawgs will be fielding a team of leftovers. Recruiting has become who is the highest bidder gets the best players.

And when our leftovers play great, they'll leave for more money somewhere else.

[Offshore Dawg]

Toyota is a Fortune 500 Global company. Matter o' fact they're top 10. I'm sure there are probably others if you look hard enough. Sanderson Farms was in it as recently as 2021.
Toyota is a Japanese company, maybe they would want to Do NIL support for Sumo wrestling.****

[basedog]

I'm ok with being in the middle of the pack with the Sec, if so that means we are pretty good not great. In saying this, I have been told by someone who knows that we are in good shape (middle of pack) with NIL money.

[Bothrops]

I'm ok with being in the middle of the pack with the Sec, if so that means we are pretty good not great. In saying this, I have been told by someone who knows that we are in good shape (middle of pack) with NIL money.

Yeah, I don't think that's true, middle of the pack.

[BB30]

And I don't blame them one bit. They give to the things that matter and make real money. I love sports but it is entertainment only. Sports don't pay any bills, actually sports creates bills in 99% of households. The degree that does life supporting things is more important.

Let the rich sports alumni give to their college of sports? Oh wait, no one will do that just expect the engineers, business and education majors to foot the bill.

Can you imagine the outcry from athletics if engineering came crying to sports to fund them? Can yall see the hypocrisy? This is what is wrong with our culture. This is what led to the fall of the Roman empire.

As I've said repeatedly, the house of cards will crumble one day; the sports ballon will burst.

To be fair, while I agree athletics aren't the most important thing, it is usually one of the first opportunities to showcase your school to perspective highschool students. Have you looked at the number of out of state applications Alabama started getting after Saban had been there and won a couple of NCs? It shot through the roof and they are now cherry picking some of the best academic students thus improving the school's academic reputation.

So, in a round about way it would make sense if you care about academics to support athletics. It is like the front door to your university especially for kids that didn't have parents that went to State.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I'm ok with being in the middle of the pack with the Sec, if so that means we are pretty good not great. In saying this, I have been told by someone who knows that we are in good shape (middle of pack) with NIL money.

It is true. We are between 8-12 in NIL funding on a given year. OM is not that much higher. They are between 5-9 on a given year. Their advantage is two fold and neither has anything to do with rich boosters caring more about athletics. Number 1 is their fan base understands this is the way of college sports and has completely bought in. Number two is Kiffin. Kids want to play for him. We have rectified point two by hiring Lebby. And we could be in that tier if the same thing would happen in our fan base. Instead, we have people who want to complain that we can't get athletes, but then say they don't want to participate in buying players. We could have just as many $100/month people as they have, but we just don't have the same buy in.

[Santiago]

It is true. We are between 8-12 in NIL funding on a given year. OM is not that much higher. They are between 5-9 on a given year. Their advantage is two fold and neither has anything to do with rich boosters caring more about athletics. Number 1 is their fan base understands this is the way of college sports and has completely bought in. Number two is Kiffin. Kids want to play for him. We have rectified point two by hiring Lebby. And we could be in that tier if the same thing would happen in our fan base. Instead, we have people who want to complain that we can't get athletes, but then say they don't want to participate in buying players. We could have just as many $100/month people as they have, but we just don't have the same buy in.

Great points and agree especially on Lane, and our hire of Lebby.
Incredible how the past season we had media and posters on the board trying to sell us how Arnett, running 90's blue collar football, was somehow the way to go forward for our program.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Great points and agree especially on Lane, and our hire of Lebby.
Incredible how the past season we had media and posters on the board trying to sell us how Arnett, running 90's blue collar football, was somehow the way to go forward for our program.

A lot of the media was sold a false bill of goods and had to run with it because it's their job. They lose access or their credentials are taken away then they are unemployable. The posters who who tried to sell it.....well....I don't know what to tell you on that one. Maybe blind faith, maybe sticking up for friends, or maybe just truly believed Arnett was going to adjust.