Now or never for the baseball team

[msstate7]

Rpi is 45th, and we play a swac school this week, so that's going down. We have to win this game.

[MaroonFlounder]

I think that's 3-9

In 1-run losses.

This team can't win close games.

[No BS Dawg]

We need new leadership desperately in the coaching department. We just need to know and understand a complete rebuild is in the cards and we will suffer through that a few years. Lemonis and his recruiting have made one of the best baseball programs in the country pedestrian, at best. We are coached and, far too often play, like a little league team. Head scratching line up moves, no adjustments in the batting order, constant base running mistakes, no closer 40 games into the season, and a smugness that says I am bigger than the program and everyone else can kick rocks sums up the frustration of this season. We all spend a lot of money, 4 chairback seats at DNF here for me and my family, to have to put up with what has become constant and regular frustration related to our baseball program. I am all for Parker staying, open the wallet, but Lemon, Cheese, and Geau need to GOOOO.

[Saltydog]

Yep, our RPI is poor considering and I'm not sure how much ground we can make up. Truth is, LSU and UF aren't good. Factor that in with some bad ooc losses and upcoming games with Alcorn State and North Alabama and we've got trouble. Don't even think we're going to knock of Upig or Vandy on the road. We'll most certainly lose those series and be lucky if we're not swept. That leaves series with Bama, Mizzou and Auburn. We're probably looking at 13-14 SEC wins so we're teetering on the edge. Either way, I don't think it'll be enough to salvage Lemonis. All of these one run losses could the final straw that breaks the bucket.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Our tough SEC schedule start was a myth. Florida and LSU are bad. Ole miss is bad. Georgia is slap average at best like us. Alabama is better than we are at the moment. I have said it before, we are better. But when you are better than 13th place how good are you

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

I made a thread after the last UGA game citing stats and saying we were the 8th-9th best team in the SEC. I got ROASTED for it.

But I dont know how anyone can say I'm wrong. Teams obviously better than us: Arky, A&M, Kentucky, TN, Vandy, and SC. That leaves 7th as the absolute best you can call us, but we are probably worse than Bama. Honestly, our series at Florida was a mirror image of the UGA series, we were just on the "Florida" side when we played UGA. So you can't honestly say we're better than both teams. It's probably a 3 way tie between us for 7th putting us in that 7-9 range.

The OM loss told us nothing new: Offense that scores but not as much as it should. Starting pitching but no bullpen and no closer. No 3rd starter due to Dohm injury. Elite defense. Holes in the lineup (but now the holes are Jordan and Hines lol).

Overall we're the same team we've always been. Got into the rankings because LSU and UF were top 10 when we played them. We're decent. Capable of playing at a top 15 level but also at a sub 30 level. Probably borderline ranked quality overall. Will likely finish 8th in the SEC but tournament will be in question because of a terrible OOC. Have a punchers chance at a Super if we do make a regional.

[Bdawg]

I made a thread after the last UGA game citing stats and saying we were the 8th-9th best team in the SEC. I got ROASTED for it.

But I dont know how anyone can say I'm wrong. Teams obviously better than us: Arky, A&M, Kentucky, TN, Vandy, and SC. That leaves 7th as the absolute best you can call us, but we are probably worse than Bama. Honestly, our series at Florida was a mirror image of the UGA series, we were just on the "Florida" side when we played UGA. So you can't honestly say we're better than both teams. It's probably a 3 way tie between us for 7th putting us in that 7-9 range.

The OM loss told us nothing new: Offense that scores but not as much as it should. Starting pitching but no bullpen and no closer. No 3rd starter due to Dohm injury. Elite defense. Holes in the lineup (but now the holes are Jordan and Hines lol).

Overall we're the same team we've always been. Got into the rankings because LSU and UF were top 10 when we played them. We're decent. Capable of playing at a top 15 level but also at a sub 30 level. Probably borderline ranked quality overall. Will likely finish 8th in the SEC but tournament will be in question because of a terrible OOC. Have a punchers chance at a Super if we do make a regional.

We got to get smoking hot to make a super and we can’t lose in a regional. Our pitching won’t hold up

[Commercecomet24]

Well one thing about this team. Every time they've been challenged they've responded. We'll see.

[Bdawg]

Well one thing about this team. Every time they've been challenged they've responded. We'll see.

Yes we will. I really wanted to sweep(and thought we could) to makeup for FL. Now, just don’t lose the series

[Commercecomet24]

Yes we will. I really wanted to sweep(and thought we could) to makeup for FL. Now, just don’t lose the series

Yep this is a big game.

[MaroonFlounder]

Not holding on to last night's potential win breathed life into the ole ms baseball program.

That's grounds for a change, even if it means losing Justin Parker as well.

[msstate7]

Not holding on to last night's potential win breathed life into the ole ms baseball program.

That's grounds for a change, even if it means losing Justin Parker as well.

No player or staff member is worth keeping lemonis. Lemonis was given the keys to a jaguar, and to his credit, he drove it well to start with. The problem is he couldn't do the upkeep, so now we have a jaguar with a bunch of dents, oil leak, and a clogged catalytic converter

[Commercecomet24]

Barring a miracle we'll have a new coach next year.

[Commercecomet24]

No player or staff member is worth keeping lemonis. Lemonis was given the keys to a jaguar, and to his credit, he drove it well to start with. The problem is he couldn't do the upkeep, so now we have a jaguar with a bunch of dents, oil leak, and a clogged catalytic converter

Lol now that's an analogy I've never heard before! At least the Braves pulled one out today!

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Barring a miracle we'll have a new coach next year.

Now you've got "Lemonis Derangement Syndrome" lol

[basedog]

Barring a miracle we'll have a new coach next year.

Sometimes 24 we Bulldogs need to take off our maroon shade glasses.

[Commercecomet24]

Now you've got "Lemonis Derangement Syndrome" lol

Lol no just looking at facts. He needs a minor miracle to save his job. It's possible but it's slowly slipping away. I have said it since day one though and it's why I dint suffer so much angst, he either wins or we get a new coach. It's that's simple.

Eta I still like Lemonis and he has given us our only natty in any sport, but as in anything in life you have to keep producing or you're out. It's all simple to me. Produce or you fire yourself.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Lol no just looking at facts. He needs a minor miracle to save his job. It's possible but it's slowly slipping away. I have said it since day one though and it's why I dint suffer so much angst, he either wins or we get a new coach. It's that's simple.

Eta I still like Lemonis and he has given us our only natty in any sport, but as in anything in life you have to keep producing or you're out. It's all simple to me. Produce or you fire yourself.

No, you don't get to have your cake and eat it too. You're pretending like you've always had this Switzerland like neutral stance and left it at "he either wins or he's gone", but not 6 days ago you said this team was good, took issue with me saying we had roster holes, and said I had "Lemonis derangement syndrome" for saying we would finish the year 8th or 9th in the SEC.

You have been saying the team was good. You were wrong. That's fine, we all are sometimes. But you don't get to pretend now your stance has always been nothing more than "let's see if he wins"

[Todd4State]

Lol no just looking at facts. He needs a minor miracle to save his job. It's possible but it's slowly slipping away. I have said it since day one though and it's why I dint suffer so much angst, he either wins or we get a new coach. It's that's simple.

Eta I still like Lemonis and he has given us our only natty in any sport, but as in anything in life you have to keep producing or you're out. It's all simple to me. Produce or you fire yourself.

This is my stance as well.

[Commercecomet24]

No, you don't get to have your cake and eat it too. You're pretending like you've always had this Switzerland like neutral stance and left it at "he either wins or he's gone", but not 6 days ago you said this team was good, took issue with me saying we had roster holes, and said I had "Lemonis derangement syndrome" for saying we would finish the year 8th or 9th in the SEC.

You have been saying the team was good. You were wrong. That's fine, we all are sometimes. But you don't get to pretend now your stance has always been nothing more than "let's see if he wins"

Well then you haven't read my posts since day one. Yes I've said it since day one that he had to win or he was gone and for weeks. Yes this team can be good and we've shown it, but the lack of a closer has hurt us. With a true closer we are exactly where we need to be. Ever team has holes in their lineup but you like most on here don't watch anyone but us so you don't know that. The lack of a closer has kept this team from winning 6-8 games. We've scored enough and had enough starting pitching to be much better than we are.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Well then you haven't read my posts since day one. Yes I've said it since day one that he had to win or he was gone and for weeks. Yes this team can be good and we've shown it, but the lack of a closer has hurt us. With a true closer we are exactly where we need to be. Ever team has holes in their lineup but you like most on here don't watch anyone but us so you don't know that. The lack of a closer has kept this team from winning 6-8 games. We've scored enough and had enough starting pitching to be much better than we are.

Ahh yes I figured you'd get defensive. You seem like a great guy and you know a ton more about baseball than me, but I've seen for years you can't admit when you're wrong.

You really want to say you haven't been calling this team good and bashing Lemo haters? Come one, you know you have. I could easily find many comments of yours doing so. Just admit you let your desire for this team to be good cloud your judgment on them

[Commercecomet24]

Ahh yes I figured you'd get defensive. You seem like a great guy and you know a ton more about baseball than me, but I've seen for years you can't admit when you're wrong.

You really want to say you haven't been calling this team good and bashing Lemo haters? Come one, you know you have. I could easily find many comments of yours doing so. Just admit you let your desire for this team to be good cloud your judgment on them

Well then you dont know me very well because I've admitted when I'm wrong plenty of times. It's a simple fact if we had a closer this team would have at least 6 more wins, and everyone's happy. Now who's fault is it we don't have a closer? Lemonis obviously. This team had potential to be really good and still may be ok(but will wind up mediocre). And I never get worked up early in a baseball season because baseball can turn on a dime. And what's wrong with letting a season play out in any sport? I always do because I'm not young anymore and have learned patience. Me freaking out before the seasons over won't help anyways. I'm sorry if you don't agree on my thoughts or even if you don't care for me. I'm to old to care. I'm still letting the season play out even though our chances of success are slipping away.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Well then you dont know me very well because I've admitted when I'm wrong plenty of times. It's a simple fact if we had a closer this team would have at least 6 more wins, and everyone's happy. Now who's fault is it we don't have a closer? Lemonis obviously. This team had potential to be really good and still may be ok(but will wind up mediocre). And I never get worked up early in a baseball season because baseball can turn on a dime. And what's wrong with letting a season play out in any sport? I always do because I'm not young anymore and have learned patience. Me freaking out before the seasons over won't help anyways. I'm sorry if you don't agree on my thoughts or even if you don't care for me. I'm to old to care. I'm still letting the season play out even though our chances of success are slipping away.

I agree with letting the season play out, I'm not a big "fire him now!" guy. I actually like you quite a bit and enjoy your optimistic posts to balance the general trend of negativity. But you also too prideful to admit the team isn't as good as you've been acting like

EDIT: C34 has a lot more to answer for, don't think I"m just picking on you lol

[Commercecomet24]

I agree with letting the season play out, I'm not a big "fire him now!" guy. I actually like you quite a bit and enjoy your optimistic posts to balance the general trend of negativity. But you also too prideful to admit the team isn't as good as you've been acting like

I think this is where you and I have a little miscommunication. Let me explain. I think this team is good, not great or elite. Being 8th or 9th in the sec is a good team and those teams generally make postseason play. I never thought we were a great team this year but a solid good team. I thought this team had a chance to make a regional(and still could), that would make a good not great season. We were certainly not gonna be elite this year but we've had a chance to be better than our record right now. I wish we could speak in person so I could really explain this better to you. Baseball is a hard sport and the difference between being good and great is a thin line. We've haven't been clutch enough to cross the line. It's just the way I view baseball. There's elite, good, mediocre and bad teams. We're good but look to be trending to mediocre. Next weekend will definitely tell the tale of the rest of the year.

[Commercecomet24]

I agree with letting the season play out, I'm not a big "fire him now!" guy. I actually like you quite a bit and enjoy your optimistic posts to balance the general trend of negativity. But you also too prideful to admit the team isn't as good as you've been acting like

EDIT: C34 has a lot more to answer for, don't think I"m just picking on you lol

Ah dude you don't have to worry about picking on me. We're good.

Heck my wife even get pissed at me sometimes lol!

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

I think this is where you and I have a little miscommunication. Let me explain. I think this team is good, not great or elite. Being 8th or 9th in the sec is a good team and those teams generally make postseason play. I never thought we were a great team this year but a solid good team. I thought this team had a chance to make a regional(and still could), that would make a good not great season. We were certainly not gonna be elite this year but we've had a chance to be better than our record right now. I wish we could speak in person so I could really explain this better to you. Baseball is a hard sport and the difference between being good and great is a thin line. We've haven't been clutch enough to cross the line. It's just the way I view baseball. There's elite, good, mediocre and bad teams. We're good but look to be trending to mediocre. Next weekend will definitely tell the tale of the rest of the year.

OK, I misinterpreted your comments in other threads and I apologize. I think you probably think the team is a little better than I do, but we're on the same page. I retract my previous statements lol

[Commercecomet24]

OK, I misinterpreted your comments in other threads and I apologize. I think you probably think the team is a little better than I do, but we're on the same page. I retract my previous statements lol

No reason to retract it or apologize, my man. It's hard sometimes to express thing's adequately in text or writing as opposed to speaking with someone because not enough interaction. I'm just not much of a writer, I'm more into face to face interactions so I probably don't do a great job expressing myself on here. I also did think at some point we'd figure out a way to close out games but that looks like it's a lost cause. Just have to pray we get a big lead and hold onto our behinds til the last out. I hate hypotheticals but if Landon Sims was the closer we'd be too 15 right now. I believe me and you could get along but we'd probably have some amiable disagreements lol!

[SpaceBully]

I think that's 3-9

In 1-run losses.

This team can't win close games.

no closer. We have nobody that can close a game. We almost have to run rule teams in order to survive the 7th, 8th, and 9th innings after the starter exits. No closer also means not going deep into regional play. If we do go to a regional, I would expect a "2 and see you".

[Commercecomet24]

no closer. We have nobody that can close a game. We almost have to run rule teams in order to survive the 7th, 8th, and 9th innings after the starter exits. No closer also means not going deep into regional play. If we do go to a regional, I would expect a "2 and see you".

Biggest hurt of the year. No closer.

[State82]

With a true closer we are exactly where we need to be.

This sums it up. It is true there is no team without at least a couple of holes to be their best. But give us just an adequate closer and we are sitting pretty even with all the other holes we have. Does not even have to be a Landon Sims. Just a solid D1 closer.

[Commercecomet24]

This sums it up. It is true there is no team without at least a couple of holes to be their best. But give us just an adequate closer and we are sitting pretty even with all the other holes we have. Does not even have to be a Landon Sims. Just a solid D1 closer.

Yep and that's what makes it so painful. Will wind up a season of wasted opportunities.

[basedog]

Yep and that's what makes it so painful. Will wind up a season of wasted opportunities.

It?s lack of recruiting your needs. How can a Team go 3 years without a closer or 2?

I?m so disappointed in Lemonis decision making or lack of it. We are 22-14, 3-9 in one loss games, 7-8 in Sec games which we are tied with 3 other Sec teams. Auburn is worse team left on our Sec schedule.

Btw, I was so disgusted with the way we lost last night that I didn?t watch the game today. I bet I?ve seen most games played by most on ED since 1970, been a loyal die heart baseball fan. I do not like what I have been seeing for 2 1/2 years. We got problems.

[Commercecomet24]

It?s lack of recruiting your needs. How can a Team go 3 years without a closer or 2?

I?m so disappointed in Lemonis decision making or lack of it. We are 22-14, 3-9 in one loss games, 7-8 in Sec games which we are tied with 3 other Sec teams. Auburn is worse team left on our Sec schedule.

Btw, I was so disgusted with the way we lost last night that I didn?t watch the game today. I bet I?ve seen most games played by most on ED since 1970, been a loyal die heart baseball fan. I do not like what I have been seeing for 2 1/2 years. We got problems.

Can't argue. I turned the game off today in the second inning and turned to the Braves. I haven't done that before but just couldn't take anymore of it today. Last night was probably the final nail. We had a chance to have a pretty good season this year but not having a closer has ruined it and it's gotta be frustrating for the rest of the team to work hard to get the lead and then watch it vanish.

[basedog]

Can't argue. I turned the game off today in the second inning and turned to the Braves. I haven't done that before but just couldn't take anymore of it today. Last night was probably the final nail. We had a chance to have a pretty good season this year but not having a closer has ruined it and it's gotta be frustrating for the rest of the team to work hard to get the lead and then watch it vanish.

24, I'm right there with u, last night just completely turned me off. I couldn't believe how we handled the pitching after we went up 7-3. And explain our DH situation last night. Left on left, again? I suppose we just don't have enough talent. What a black hole we have with closers and DH.
I thought before Saturday Lemonis had "righted the ship" but he showed his bucket side again.

[Commercecomet24]

24, I'm right there with u, last night just completely turned me off. I couldn't believe how we handled the pitching after we went up 7-3. And explain our DH situation last night. Left on left, again? I suppose we just don't have enough talent. What a black hole we have with closers and DH.
I thought before Saturday Lemonis had "righted the ship" but he showed his bucket side again.

Heartbreaking. We've let what could've been a very good season bleed away. I thought we'd "found it" again too. Hardin pitches one dominant inning Friday night and we never see him again? Why didn't we let him try to close out one of the 3 times we had the lead last night and at least see what happens. And why not leave downs in at dh last night. If we have just an average d1 closer we're right there but alas no. Some things are just hard to explain. And I really can't stand watching us lose those bozos up north. Sad

[basedog]

Heartbreaking. We've let what could've been a very good season bleed away. I thought we'd "found it" again too. Hardin pitches one dominant inning Friday night and we never see him again? Why didn't we let him try to close out one of the 3 times we had the lead last night and at least see what happens. And why not leave downs in at dh last night. If we have just an average d1 closer we're right there but alas no. Some things are just hard to explain. And I really can't stand watching us lose those bozos up north. Sad

I really like the Steven's kid, I don't think we have done a good job of handling his situation. I think he can hit, I also think he can pitch. He has potential, I wonder if he sticks around next season. JMO.

[Todd4State]

Biggest hurt of the year. No closer.

The thing is Tyson Hardin is sitting there in the bullpen with I think it's up to 14 scoreless innings pitched now. He threw 12 pitches this weekend. Why hasn't he gotten a shot? And why didn't he pitch the 12th last night?

Lemonis is doing this to himself.

[Todd4State]

I really like the Steven's kid, I don't think we have done a good job of handling his situation. I think he can hit, I also think he can pitch. He is going with potential, I wonder if he sticks around next season. JMO.

Hard to find a place that treats college baseball like MSU does. Even in the SEC.

I can't really think of us losing a true potential All-American type since the portal started. Maybe Graham Ashcraft but he had injuries and ended up at UAB plus we had a lot of really good options at that time too.

We were able to get Dakota Jordan back last year and that's probably the closest we've come.

[Commercecomet24]

The thing is Tyson Hardin is sitting there in the bullpen with I think it's up to 14 scoreless innings pitched now. He threw 12 pitches this weekend. Why hasn't he gotten a shot? And why didn't he pitch the 12th last night?

Lemonis is doing this to himself.

I agree see my above post about Hardin. Inexcusable not to even give him a shot to close it last night, heck we gave everyone else a shot!

[basedog]

Hard to find a place that treats college baseball like MSU does. Even in the SEC.

I can't really think of us losing a true potential All-American type since the portal started. Maybe Graham Ashcraft but he had injuries and ended up at UAB plus we had a lot of really good options at that time too.

We were able to get Dakota Jordan back last year and that's probably the closest we've come.

No reason why he hasn't at least been our dh against right handed pitchers.

[Commercecomet24]

No reason why he hasn't at least been our dh against right handed pitchers.

Yeah he showed some promise at the plate early and then we haven't given him enough abs to stay sharp

[Todd4State]

I agree see my above post about Hardin. Inexcusable not to even give him a shot to close it last night, heck we gave everyone else a shot!

Exactly we have everyone else a chance except the one guy that has been the most consistent.


No reason why he hasn't at least been our dh against right handed pitchers.

I agree. It would give him something to build on for next year.

[MoreCowbell]

You have to be a terrible recruiter to not capitalize on two 50+ win seasons and a national championship your first 2 years at State

[Bdawg]

The thing is Tyson Hardin is sitting there in the bullpen with I think it's up to 14 scoreless innings pitched now. He threw 12 pitches this weekend. Why hasn't he gotten a shot? And why didn't he pitch the 12th last night?

Lemonis is doing this to himself.

That was a major head scratcher for me too. You take the lead in extras and you don?t bring in one of your best available?? I was like Apollo Creed in that moment, ?There is no tomorrow?!!! Do whatever it takes to win the series right then. To hell with tomorrow. Not only did we lose, but we gave them life and demoralized us in the process by the tune of a 10 run rule ass whipping! These are things that make people go nuts with Lemonis, and I understand.

[CaptainObvious]

All of our left handed relievers have the same problem. They are either scared to pitch inside or don't know how to. They all have that slinger sweeper motion where they start it out over the plate and it ends up a foot outside to LH or a foot inside behind the RH batters back foot, even on fastballs. They need to hit a guy or two to see that they can pitch inside to lefties or outside corner to righties. Way too much sweep from left to right by the lefties in our pen.