Lemonis v Jans (you should be loyal to Lemonis)

[cheewgumm]

All this Jans talk had me thinking about Lemonis vs Jans, and why I feel loyalty to Lemonis.

Jans
- obviously wants out : looking for other jobs
- had asked for and received fan support
- has improved NIL funds as fans support the program
- we are a definite stepping stone to him it seems

Lemonis
- does nothing but praise State baseball program as the premier place to be
- constantly talks about the privilege the players have to feel for playing in front of our fans
- can recruit
- our team was not tough last year. We are now. He addressed the problem.
- won national championship

I remember Moorhead and how he treated our program. Saying stuff like - ?people act like I inherited the 85 Bears?, etc,,, just nonsense.

Mullen at the end was looking for a job every year.

Lemonis makes no excuses. All i have heard is him saying the expectations are high here and are justified.

If you view Lemonis negatively, I think you should relook.

[StateDawg44]

All this Jans talk had me thinking about Lemonis vs Jans, and why I feel loyalty to Lemonis.

Jans
- obviously wants out : looking for other jobs
- had asked for and received fan support
- has improved NIL funds as fans support the program
- we are a definite stepping stone to him it seems

Lemonis
- does nothing but praise State baseball program as the premier place to be
- constantly talks about the privilege the players have to feel for playing in front of our fans
- can recruit
- our team was not tough last year. We are now. He addressed the problem.
- won national championship

I remember Moorhead and how he treated our program. Saying stuff like - ?people act like I inherited the 85 Bears?, etc,,, just nonsense.

Mullen at the end was looking for a job every year.

Lemonis makes no excuses. All i have heard is him saying the expectations are high here and are justified.

If you view Lemonis negatively, I think you should relook.


Neither of these have anything to do with each other.

[Commercecomet24]

Excellent post! Have some rep!

ETA Job is still about winning though and Lemonis knows that as well.

[ArrowDawg]

All this Jans talk had me thinking about Lemonis vs Jans, and why I feel loyalty to Lemonis.

Jans
- obviously wants out : looking for other jobs
- had asked for and received fan support
- has improved NIL funds as fans support the program
- we are a definite stepping stone to him it seems

Lemonis
- does nothing but praise State baseball program as the premier place to be
- constantly talks about the privilege the players have to feel for playing in front of our fans
- can recruit
- our team was not tough last year. We are now. He addressed the problem.
- won national championship

I remember Moorhead and how he treated our program. Saying stuff like - ?people act like I inherited the 85 Bears?, etc,,, just nonsense.

Mullen at the end was looking for a job every year.

Lemonis makes no excuses. All i have heard is him saying the expectations are high here and are justified.

If you view Lemonis negatively, I think you should relook.

I think he piggy-backed off the success of Cannizaro and Henderson building a solid foundation. That's not to say Lemonis can't coach. He can, and he took us to Omaha a couple of times and won the title. But I need to see him live up to our standard on his own, fully with his recruits, and he simply hasn't done that yet. He's had two terrible years, and this year is TBD. We're better for sure this year, but I expect more for this program than two bad years and a third year ending our season in a road regional somewhere. I expect us to host more often than not, and I expect us to compete for more national titles.

[Saltydog]

Yeah but the difference is one is actually receiving interest from others and one isn't. I'll let you decide why that is.

[cheewgumm]

Another difference is one won a national championship and one did not.

[DownwardDawg]

All this Jans talk had me thinking about Lemonis vs Jans, and why I feel loyalty to Lemonis.

Jans
- obviously wants out : looking for other jobs
- had asked for and received fan support
- has improved NIL funds as fans support the program
- we are a definite stepping stone to him it seems

Lemonis
- does nothing but praise State baseball program as the premier place to be
- constantly talks about the privilege the players have to feel for playing in front of our fans
- can recruit
- our team was not tough last year. We are now. He addressed the problem.
- won national championship

I remember Moorhead and how he treated our program. Saying stuff like - ?people act like I inherited the 85 Bears?, etc,,, just nonsense.

Mullen at the end was looking for a job every year.

Lemonis makes no excuses. All i have heard is him saying the expectations are high here and are justified.

If you view Lemonis negatively, I think you should relook.

That's a great post.

[DownwardDawg]

Another difference is one won a national championship and one did not.

Fact. And he did it in the SEC's most competitive sport.

[msstate7]

This crap about "loyalty" is utter nonsense. How "loyal" were we to arnett? Fired his butt (rightfully so) after 1 season, and then we cry bc jans interviews for a better job.

[cheewgumm]

This crap about "loyalty" is utter nonsense. How "loyal" were we to arnett? Fired his butt (rightfully so) after 1 season, and then we cry bc jans interviews for a better job.

Probably right. Loyal may not be the right word. I know I said it.

More like we should be happy with the respect that Lemonis shows our program. Compared to how other coaches treat our programs.

They have to win. All of them do. That is a given. The next question is how do they treat the program.

[msstate7]

Probably right. Loyal may not be the right word. I know I said it.

More like we should be happy with the respect that Lemonis shows our program. Compared to how other coaches treat our programs.

They have to win. All of them do. That is a given. The next question is how do they treat the program.

Jans has gotten us to the tourney in both his seasons here, so him wanting out hasn't affected his job performance.

How much respect do we give Jans with our poor attendance?

[BrunswickDawg]

I think he piggy-backed off the success of Cannizaro and Henderson building a solid foundation. That's not to say Lemonis can't coach. He can, and he took us to Omaha a couple of times and won the title. But I need to see him live up to our standard on his own, fully with his recruits, and he simply hasn't done that yet. He's had two terrible years, and this year is TBD. We're better for sure this year, but I expect more for this program than two bad years and a third year ending our season in a road regional somewhere. I expect us to host more often than not, and I expect us to compete for more national titles.

Cann??? LOL. The myth of Cann continues. The guy benefitted completely off what Cohen built, spent his tenure here chasing tail and making weightlifting videos, and got fired one weekend into his second season. He landed a couple of nice recruits and that's it. Henderson was a steady influence who kept the wheels on the bus - and I thank him for it. Neither of them have any lasting impact on the program beyond that. Zero. Unless you count him bringing Goat with him - and most people seem to think he is terrible (I don't but many do).

[msstate7]

And FWIW, I really wish jans wanted to be here like I want him to be. At the same time, I can see how we aren't a destination job for him. He isn't from MS. He didn't go to state. We aren't a national brand in MBK... we just aren't. We are those things in baseball though.

[maroonmania]

This crap about "loyalty" is utter nonsense. How "loyal" were we to arnett? Fired his butt (rightfully so) after 1 season, and then we cry bc jans interviews for a better job.

Yea, it's really apples and oranges. Our baseball program is probably Top 10 in the country while our basketball program is maybe Top 50 or 60? Of course our baseball coach is going to be more loyal to the program he is coaching than our basketball coach is.

[Commercecomet24]

Cann??? LOL. The myth of Cann continues. The guy benefitted completely off what Cohen built, spent his tenure here chasing tail and making weightlifting videos, and got fired one weekend into his second season. He landed a couple of nice recruits and that's it. Henderson was a steady influence who kept the wheels on the bus - and I thank him for it. Neither of them have any lasting impact on the program beyond that. Zero. Unless you count him bringing Goat with him - and most people seem to think he is terrible (I don't but many do).

You're right as always, Bruns. 100%. Cann fooled a lot of people(including his wife), well at least for a little while

[Jarius]

If Mississippi State basketball was as premier of a program in its sport as MSU baseball is in its sport then the roles would be reversed. The idea that any of these coaches are loyal is just burying your head in the sand. People are as loyal as their options in almost every part of life.

[DownwardDawg]

Cann??? LOL. The myth of Cann continues. The guy benefitted completely off what Cohen built, spent his tenure here chasing tail and making weightlifting videos, and got fired one weekend into his second season. He landed a couple of nice recruits and that's it. Henderson was a steady influence who kept the wheels on the bus - and I thank him for it. Neither of them have any lasting impact on the program beyond that. Zero. Unless you count him bringing Goat with him - and most people seem to think he is terrible (I don't but many do).

100%. Cann is a 17'n joke of a coach and human.

[maroonmania]

Jans has gotten us to the tourney in both his seasons here, so him wanting out hasn't affected his job performance.

How much respect do we give Jans with our poor attendance?

The basketball attendance issue will likely never get fixed. Once our administration determined that making more money trumped loyal attendees we became stuck as we are. So we have lots of sellouts but a bunch of our season tickets in the lower bowl are held by people and entities that give larger seat premiums than what the guy off the street can afford but have no intentions of attending games regularly and apparently don't feel the need to get their unused tickets into the hands of others. Seems like a hopeless problem to solve.

[Tbonewannabe]

This is like comparing Bama football vs baseball.

Our baseball program is a top 10 program and at least in the top 5 facilities. Basketball is not anywhere close. Where would Lemonis go? He is one of the top paid headcoaches and I know we had the top paid assistant coaches after the National Title.

Lemonis interviewing anywhere would be for a pay cut. Not saying that I want him gone right now, this season determines that.

[Commercecomet24]

The basketball attendance issue will likely never get fixed. Once our administration determined that making more money trumped loyal attendees we became stuck as we are. So we have lots of sellouts but a bunch of our season tickets in the lower bowl are held by people and entities that give larger seat premiums than what the guy off the street can afford but have no intentions of attending games regularly and apparently don't feel the need to get their unused tickets into the hands of others. Seems like a hopeless problem to solve.

Unfortunately this is so true. The Hump can be a very electric and intimidating atmosphere when its right, but we really screwed by changing the seating.

[Bdawg]

And FWIW, I really wish jans wanted to be here like I want him to be. At the same time, I can see how we aren't a destination job for him. He isn't from MS. He didn't go to state. We aren't a national brand in MBK... we just aren't. We are those things in baseball though.

Yeah. These 2 jobs are apples and oranges to me

[confucius say]

This crap about "loyalty" is utter nonsense. How "loyal" were we to arnett? Fired his butt (rightfully so) after 1 season, and then we cry bc jans interviews for a better job.

I would argue SMU isn't a better job. And Faulk said this morning that jans put himself out there for that job. Not sure if true.

Not many places he can go and make 4 million.

But at this point I worry if he can sufficiently mend the fence with the fanbase if he stays.

[msstate7]

I would argue SMU isn't a better job. And Faulk said this morning that jans put himself out there for that job. Not sure if true.

Not many places he can go and make 4 million.

But at this point I worry if he can sufficiently mend the fence with the fanbase if he stays.

Dallas > Starkville
SMU has big money. Not sure if they would use it for NIL.

[Commercecomet24]

I would argue SMU isn't a better job. And Faulk said this morning that jans put himself out there for that job. Not sure if true.

Not many places he can go and make 4 million.

But at this point I worry if he can sufficiently mend the fence with the fanbase if he stays.

Yeah I think the fact that he apparently he just wants out of Starkville is the problem, not the fact he's looking for a better job. I don't think anyone faults anyone for wanting to better themselves, but the fact it looks as if he just don't like it here, will be the issue with the fanbase.

[confucius say]

Yeah I think the fact that he apparently he just wants out of Starkville is the problem, not the fact he's looking for a better job. I don't think anyone faults anyone for wanting to better themselves, but the fact it looks as if he just don't like it here, will be the issue with the fanbase.

Correct. Now winning big can cure that in a hurry. If we are a 5 seed in the tourney next year, nobody will care anymore. But I'm not sure that's realistic for jans unless he hires an offensive coordinator.

Also, he needs to be recruiting instead of job shopping if he stays. Crucial portal time. At this point, it may be cleaner to just leave.

[Tbonewannabe]

Correct. Now winning big can cure that in a hurry. If we are a 5 seed in the tourney next year, nobody will care anymore. But I'm not sure that's realistic for jans unless he hires an offensive coordinator.

Also, he needs to be recruiting instead of job shopping if he stays. Crucial portal time. At this point, it may be cleaner to just leave.

We went round and round with Mullen on that. Every year job shopping and playing like crap after Bama. I like Jans but if he is going to have one foot out the door then when need to get someone else.

[Bdawg]

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[MoreCowbell]

To be fair it is 2 totally different jobs. We are a top 10 job in baseball, we might not even be top 100 in basketball.

I had/have no problem with Jans interviewing with Arkansas but why on earth would he let that leak to the media?

[MoreCowbell]

Yea, it's really apples and oranges. Our baseball program is probably Top 10 in the country while our basketball program is maybe Top 50 or 60? Of course our baseball coach is going to be more loyal to the program he is coaching than our basketball coach is.

Top 60 is generous

[NCMSTFAN]

Yeah I think the fact that he apparently he just wants out of Starkville is the problem, not the fact he's looking for a better job. I don't think anyone faults anyone for wanting to better themselves, but the fact it looks as if he just don't like it here, will be the issue with the fanbase.

Good post and I agree. And this is why I say he should leave, I personally don't want a coach who doesn't want to be at State. If it's true that he doesn't like it, I don't understand why some people are saying they want him to stay.

[msstate7]

Good post and I agree. And this is why I say he should leave, I personally don't want a coach who doesn't want to be at State. If it's true that he doesn't like it, I don't understand why some people are saying they want him to stay.

How much you donating to the buy out to fire him then? Getting that new coach should be a piece of cake after firing Jans for interviewing after making 2 straight tournies. We demand "loyalty"

[smootness]

Who cares if a coach is loyal if he is not good?

The only question with regard to Lemonis is whether or not he is good enough. I think most everybody likes the guy.

[NCMSTFAN]

How much you donating to the buy out to fire him then? Getting that new coach should be a piece of cake after firing Jans for interviewing after making 2 straight tournies. We demand "loyalty"

I'm not donating a single penny! Did I once say he needed to be fired? I simply said I don't want a coach who doesn't want to be in Starkville, it's not that hard to comprehend. He should take a job elsewhere, there are more coming open as these positions get filled.

[AROB44]

I'm not donating a single penny!

Definitely a true MSU fan.....but demands total loyalty plus winning at a high level.

[NCMSTFAN]

I'm not donating a single penny!

Definitely a true MSU fan.....but demands total loyalty plus winning at a high level.

Did you read what I said I wasn't donating a single penny to?? He said why don't I donate for Jans' buyout. Thats dumb I never said fire the guy.

That being said since you want to interject, I've donated to the bulldog initiative and will continue to so don't call me out when you have no clue

[Cooterpoot]

All this Jans talk had me thinking about Lemonis vs Jans, and why I feel loyalty to Lemonis.

Jans
- obviously wants out : looking for other jobs
- had asked for and received fan support
- has improved NIL funds as fans support the program
- we are a definite stepping stone to him it seems

Lemonis
- does nothing but praise State baseball program as the premier place to be
- constantly talks about the privilege the players have to feel for playing in front of our fans
- can recruit
- our team was not tough last year. We are now. He addressed the problem.
- won national championship

I remember Moorhead and how he treated our program. Saying stuff like - ?people act like I inherited the 85 Bears?, etc,,, just nonsense.

Mullen at the end was looking for a job every year.

Lemonis makes no excuses. All i have heard is him saying the expectations are high here and are justified.

If you view Lemonis negatively, I think you should relook.

Last two years, Jans in post season, Lemons not. Win or be gone. There's no loyalty to any individual in college athletics now, it's just the wins that matter.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Ok well one has been to the tourney 2 years in a row and the other couldn?t even make our conference tourney 2 years in a row

[Commercecomet24]

One has a national championship(our only one history whether you like him or not) and one hasn't won a postseason game. I like Jans and wish we could keep him. I don't mind people looking to better their employment as long as the constant shopping doesn't affect our program. Then it would be a problem

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

This is a really dumb thread and a bad look.

Jans has done a great job and has our program much better than our historical norm. He interviewed for a better job. You know what? So have I. So have you. Imagine your boss calling you a disloyal piece of crap because you interviewed at a better job with better pay. You are that boss right now.

Lemo is amazing in absolutely every way... except for wins these past couple seasons. And ultimately that's what he's here for. If he keeps winning, all is good. If he loses, he's gotta go. Hes a great person but we shouldn't be "loyal" to any coach if they suck (I'm not saying he does, this is his "prove it" year so I'll let it play out).

We weren't "loyal" to JoMo or Arnett and I don't expect any coach to be "loyal" to us. Be grateful for the hard work these coaches put in. If a coach can get more money or a better home life elsewhere you shake his hand and wish him well on the way out. If he can't perform you shake that hand and wish him well as you hand him his buyout check. Be mature about it either way this and recognize this is a job to them

[Cooterpoot]

If you have "loyalties" to a coach or player and not the Mississippi State Program, well, you're an idiot. There's no loyalty from coaches and players. I'm damn sure not loyal to them. I support Mississippi State. Go win games for my school.

[Commercecomet24]

If you have "loyalties" to a coach or player and not the Mississippi State Program, well, you're an idiot. There's no loyalty from coaches and players. I'm damn sure not loyal to them. I support Mississippi State. Go win games for my school.

Now this is something we all can agree on(probably), lol

[Saltydog]

Thanks for proving my point. So, we have one that wins a NC and literally nobody is after him. Why? Everyone knows he won with someone else's talent. This is his year to either shit or get off the pot.

[Commercecomet24]

Thanks for proving my point. So, we have one that wins a NC and literally nobody is after him. Why? Everyone knows he won with someone else's talent. This is his year to either shit or get off the pot.

I agree you have to keep winning. The winning with someone else's player thing is overblown. In our illustrious history we've had plenty of coaches in every sport here for years that had their own players and never won a national championship. We have exactly one nc in our whole history regardless of sport, one, and Lemonis won it with or without his "own" players, doesn't matter because it had never been done here. Now if he can't get it done we move on and he's on the block right now.

[Tbonewannabe]

Thanks for proving my point. So, we have one that wins a NC and literally nobody is after him. Why? Everyone knows he won with someone else's talent. This is his year to either shit or get off the pot.

Who would come after him? He is top 5 in salary and so are his assistant coaches. We are a National brand in college baseball. Best stadium and at worst top 5 in facilities. I didn't realize that LSU or Texas had openings. Those are about all the programs that I would even worry about. This isn't football. No one is poaching our baseball coach unless we let them go like Cal at UK.

[BrunswickDawg]

Who would come after him? He is top 5 in salary and so are his assistant coaches. We are a National brand in college baseball. Best stadium and at worst top 5 in facilities. I didn't realize that LSU or Texas had openings. Those are about all the programs that I would even worry about. This isn't football. No one is poaching our baseball coach unless we let them go like Cal at UK.

Or if they had a big time "home" - like Pat McMahon did with UF. It's not like Lemonis is going to take cut and go "home" to The Citadel

[Todd4State]

Who would come after him? He is top 5 in salary and so are his assistant coaches. We are a National brand in college baseball. Best stadium and at worst top 5 in facilities. I didn't realize that LSU or Texas had openings. Those are about all the programs that I would even worry about. This isn't football. No one is poaching our baseball coach unless we let them go like Cal at UK.

I could see him potentially being interested in South Carolina or Clemson. South Carolina has been down for awhile compared to what they were in the early 2010's and their coach hasn't exactly matched their expectations.

I don't think anything is imminent there but I could definitely see them potentially making a chance and Lemonis being someone they could be interested in especially if he has a good season this year which he can very legitimately blame on Foxhall.

[Todd4State]

To be fair it is 2 totally different jobs. We are a top 10 job in baseball, we might not even be top 100 in basketball.

I had/have no problem with Jans interviewing with Arkansas but why on earth would he let that leak to the media?

So how come MSU fans show up to baseball games and not basketball games???- MSU media personalities