MSU vs MSU Game thread.

[MoreCowbell]

Nervous as hell

[MrCoachKlein]

Didn't realize we haven't won a tourny game since 08

[MrCoachKlein]

Dang Cam already has 2. That's not good

[MoreCowbell]

That really sucks. Matthews with 2 early fouls.

[civildawg]

Sloppy sloppy

[HoopsDawg]

Tolu with 2 turnovers and a bad close out.

[RockyDog]

Tolu bet Spartie

[Duckdog]

straight doodoo

[StarkVegasSteve]

We need to settle TF down.

[R2Dawg]

Tolu with 2 turnovers and a bad close out.

Not sure we can win with Tolu on the floor. Cam out now. Hubbard still in shooting slump. Not good.

[MrCoachKlein]

Tolu with 2 turnovers and a bad close out.

3...Tolu hasn't been good this year

[JimBobDawg]

Hubbard is off, Tolu turnover machine, Cam two fouls already not a good start. Hopefully we will settle in a get in rhythm.

[civildawg]

Let them shoot threes

[civildawg]

Get Tolu out of the game. Needs to be investigated

[civildawg]

Game over

[HoopsDawg]

DJ getting fooled by the fans counting down

[msstate7]

Oh well... we can't beat them off the dribble, and they defend the perimeter outstanding. If they don't turn the ball over, our season is over.

[MoreCowbell]

Hopefully this is like LSU game and we wake up soon but so far not feeling good about this one

[R2Dawg]

I knew this was going to happen. So predictable.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Not looking good early. We are not getting any early offense and we are letting them dictate pace.

[RockyDog]

Ballgame. We are pretenders and Chokelu’s laziness is killing us

[civildawg]

People can slobber over Jans but his offense is absolutely terrible. He hasn't run a single set to get Hubbard open

[Saltydog]

Piss poor effort so far. We look like absolute SHIT......

[R2Dawg]

We back to just standing there on O watching one guy dribble. I don't understand us. We know what works but only do it 1/3 of time.

[StarkVegasSteve]

People can slop over Jans but his offense is absolutely terrible. He hasn't run a single set to get Hubbard open

And how would you propose doing that? They’re hedging and switching every ball screen. Tolu is going to have to wake up

[MoreCowbell]

It is amazing how bad Tolu can be. Someone said he should be investigated and at this point it would not surprise me if he was on the take.

[R2Dawg]

People can slobber over Jans but his offense is absolutely terrible. He hasn't run a single set to get Hubbard open

Hubbard in a shooting slump too. for 2 weeks now.

[gtowndawg]

Embarrassing. We look unprepared and you can tell they know how to lock us down on offense.

[Activated Alpha]

Figured this is how we would play. It?s like once we make the NCAA tournament we turn into the 1900 Cambodian team

[gtowndawg]

It is amazing how bad Tolu can be. Someone said he should be investigated and at this point it would not surprise me if he was on the take.

It's bizarre for sure.

[civildawg]

This is absolutely terrible offensive game plan. Frick you Jans

[msstate7]

Hang around... they aren't this good from 3

[msstate7]

I'm hoping they tire on D bc this the best D we've seen thus year. They're outstanding right now

[DawgFromOxford]

Time to start driving and see if we can get the refs involved

[StarkVegasSteve]

Hubbard is going to have to wake up. He is going to have to go for 30 for us to have a chance.

[R2Dawg]

Hang around... they aren't this good from 3

Agree, averages have to catch up at some point. Just sick of us digging a hole every single game except UT type game every 15 games.

[RockyDog]

Jan’s offense is laughable. He’s the Croom/McCorvey of NCAA hoops

[mparkerfd20]

Didn't realize we haven't won a tourny game since 08

That will still be the case after today.

[gtowndawg]

Well, how bout those Diamond Dawgs?

[civildawg]

Hubbard saving us because he can pull up and shoot. There were no cutting or screen setting in that last set. We just sit around the perimeter

[msstate7]

Speeding them up now

[StarkVegasSteve]

A lot better stretch right there. Looks like we went to a zone. I like doubling the big from the back when his back is to the basket. Have gotten a couple of steals off that.

[RockyDog]

Not gonna call any fouls on green?

[msstate7]

If we don't start rebounding, we have no shot

[RockyDog]

And another turnover by Chokelu. F him!!!

[civildawg]

Get Tolu out!!!!

[RockyDog]

Number 1 is on the take. Get his ass off the team.

[parabrave]

Well they have taken Toulu out of it.

[civildawg]

This is absolutely terrible offense

[R2Dawg]

We need Cam to take over this game.

[HoopsDawg]

DJ looks 80%

[StarkVegasSteve]

I mean if they are going to shoot 50% from 3 then we have legitimately no shot. Of course it also helps when they let them mug us on every rebound.

[civildawg]

The only shots we have taken are from jacked up threes or Hubbard creating his own shot.

[civildawg]

Again another jacked up three

[R2Dawg]

We don't have anyone than can make a shot under goal I guess.

[Saltydog]

When you have two teams that are equally good at playing D the team with the better offense wins. That's what we're seeing here.

[civildawg]

Because they are driving to the basket. We just act like we are going to drive. They aren't respecting it

[msstate7]

Why is Murphy shooting so much?

[RockyDog]

Tolu almost single handedly throwing this game and the announcers continuing to kiss his ass

[msstate7]

When all of you were saying we were gonna beat this team, I pointed out that kenpom, BPI, torvik, and Vegas line favored Michigan st. There's no metric out there that says we're better than them except the committee

[msstate7]

Get a stop here, and that's a major win going to half

[R2Dawg]

Now get Hubbard heated up and we got a game.

[RockyDog]

Let Hubb shoot EVERYTHING in the 2nd half. Take the game out of Tolu’s choking hands

[StarkVegasSteve]

Why is Murphy shooting so much?

In his defense, if he does not, no one else besides he and Hubbard will shoot.

[msstate7]

No FTs for either team. Wow

[HoopsDawg]

Keyshawn with horrible D there. Damn

[StarkVegasSteve]

Good god, Murphy may be the worst defensive player we have ever had. He could not defend Maroon Mary out there

[RockyDog]

If Jans wants a shot at the Dub I wouldn't let Chokelu or Murphy see the floor in the 2nd half

[StarkVegasSteve]

If Jans wants a shot at the Dub I wouldn't let Chokelu or Murphy see the floor in the 2nd half

I almost never agree with you. This I agree with wholeheartedly.

[NCMSTFAN]

Tolu was supposed to be our 2nd offensive option but he has disappeared the last few weeks. Someone else has to step up on offense!! Hubbard can't do it all!

[HoopsDawg]

Cam has to play the whole 2nd half for sure

[gtowndawg]

I'm gonna get some shots up in the driveway during halftime. We'll see if it helps...

[parabrave]

Tolu was supposed to be our 2nd offensive option but he has disappeared the last few weeks. Someone else has to step up on offense!! Hubbard can't do it all!

Well it was Cam but he got taken out at the beginning of the game.

[GoDawgz]

They are letting them play and Mich St is the more physical team right now.
Can someone tell Tolu the game has started......
Let Josh have 20 shots this half!

[StarkVegasSteve]

Cam has to play the whole 2nd half for sure

Yep and he has to attack. They are pushing us way to far away from the basket.

[msstate7]

I almost never agree with you. This I agree with wholeheartedly.

Season on the line, bench tolu! What a terrible take. Don't even make them worry about the post, I suppose

[civildawg]

He's the main reason we are losing. Terrible turnovers and playing soft. Don't act like you know shit about basketball. His ass needs to sit.

[cheewgumm]

They are allowing Davis and Shak to drive.

They need to do that. That is open.

Drive and dish. That would also get Tolu and Bell involved.

[msstate7]

He's the main reason we are losing. Terrible turnovers and playing soft. Don't act like you know shit about basketball. His ass needs to sit.

I know this about basketball - sitting one of your best players bc he had a bad first half when the season is now is so dumb that only posters on this board could even think of it.

[civildawg]

Our guards don't finish the drive though. They need to put their head down and take the ball to the hoop so they will respect the drive

[civildawg]

How the **** was that not a foul

[R2Dawg]

Total bullshit no foul against Hubbard.

That was goal tending too. Hubbard was dropping ball down over rim. Total BS

[civildawg]

We are so scared to shoot. wtf was that Davis?

[RockyDog]

Tolu is being outplayed by a white goof with a mask yet 7 thinks that he should stay on the floor. ;);)

[MoreCowbell]

Our defense just is not there. Hard to get in sync when Matthews, Tolu and Hubbard are all having to sit.

[civildawg]

29 points in 25 minutes. That's atrocious

[civildawg]

Run us out of the gym. Jans is Stan's 2.0.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Ballgame.

[gtowndawg]

Run us out of the gym. Jans is Stan's 2.0.

Getting schooled by a hall of fame coach for sure.

[Saltydog]

Nervous as hell

One and DONE......

[DawgFromOxford]

I just want to win 1 tournament game. Is that too much to ask?

[msstate7]

Tolu is being outplayed by a white goof with a mask yet 7 thinks that he should stay on the floor. ;);)

Tolu and Murphy weren't out there... lead up to 12. Besides a troll, you're an imbecile

[Saltydog]

From this team, yeah it is.......

[calidawg]

We're getting trounced by an all time great coach this was always a bad match up for us. We're bad against elite Defenses

[bobtail bob]

Not enough depth and Izzy created this gameplan around it. This was probably the worst matchup we could have had. I wish we had been seeded lower. Another letdown by my school.

[civildawg]

We're getting trounced by an all time great coach this was always a bad match up for us. We're bad against elite Defenses

That's because Jans is a god awful offensive coach

[GoDawgz]

Tolu has zero vertical leaping ability! None!

[PGHBulldogBG]

This is extremely disappointing. Not saying we could have beat Nebraska but I really wish we had got that 9 seed aTm had. Memphis would have brought more fans and I hate being the first game of the tournament. Now we are just done before it even really begun. It?s happened two years in a row now.

[RockyDog]

Great game plan by Jansbiry and crew today. Guess Izzo started bitch slapping them in their dreams as soon as this matchup was announced

[HoopsDawg]

Finally get some buckets and can't get stops

[StarkVegasSteve]

We just cannot get any closer than 8. We are going to have to play an almost perfect last 10:54 and they are going to have to make mistakes.

[DawgFromOxford]

Every time we put a run together they have an offensive answer

[civildawg]

Tolu can't hit free throws of course

[MoreCowbell]

Really disappointed in our defense

[RockyDog]

Look. There’s 7’s hero Murphy single handedly chunking up a shot and then not playing D or rebounding that led to a 5 point swing.

[HoopsDawg]

Big mistake by Jans keeping Cam on bench after the under 12 timeout. Cost us 5 points

[HoopsDawg]

Look. There’s 7’s hero Murphy single handedly chunking up a shot and then not playing D or rebounding that led to a 5 point swing.

Yep, major error by Jans there.

[msstate7]

Is there a way to pay for a message on the video board during the game? If so, please let Murphy know he can't shoot 3s...

Entering the game,, 20.0% from 3
Today 0-3

Will you please quit shooting?

[R2Dawg]

LIke always, team we play shoots the lights out. We are giving little effort. I don't understand. This is the big stage, why low effort? Are we still nervous?

[StarkVegasSteve]

We need to move away from bigs who cannot shoot. If they cannot shoot from at least 10-12 ft from the basket then do not recruit them. We need to get quicker next year.

[CaptainObvious]

Well. One of these teams belongs. They are dominating scoring on 8 of their last 9 possessions. Hard to win when you cannot play defense or rebound missed shots however rare they may be.

[msstate7]

Look. There’s 7’s hero Murphy single handedly chunking up a shot and then not playing D or rebounding that led to a 5 point swing.

I'm probably Murphys biggest critic, you moron. I took offense to your verbal direaha saying bench tolu

[Saltydog]

And to literally nobody's surprise, outside a few State fans, we are the first team eliminated from the field of 64.........

[civildawg]

They are eating our lunch and making us like it. This basketball misery will never end

[R2Dawg]

Cam was fouled; they won't call one on them.

[msstate7]

We need to move away from bigs who cannot shoot. If they cannot shoot from at least 10-12 ft from the basket then do not recruit them. We need to get quicker next year.

We need a guard that can drive. We don't have one. I'd take Davis from ark for this reason

[RockyDog]

Jansbury has NOTHING he can run to get an open shot and the Spartans can get an open 3 or get to the rim any time they want

[StarkVegasSteve]

We need a guard that can drive. We don't have one. I'd take Davis from ark for this reason

I do not want him anywhere near our program. True or false, the rumors are there and I do not want that following our program.

[Saltydog]

We can't even make layups or simple put backs.........This is embarrassing...........

[msstate7]

I do not want him anywhere near our program. True or false, the rumors are there and I do not want that following our program.

Then find another one. Either way, we have to get a guy that can get to the basket

[MoreCowbell]

Jans is getting big boyd in the coaching department

[msstate7]

Jans is getting big boyd in the coaching department

I think it's just much better guards on their side.

[BankerDog]

Jansbury has NOTHING he can run to get an open shot and the Spartans can get an open 3 or get to the rim any time they want

We get it?you are mad Howland got fired. But the Spartans are also utilizing a core group of seniors and juniors that were highly ranked. We have Tolu-who got his check and disappeared- and Shak Moore who has not lived up to his hype. We need another shooter.

[NCMSTFAN]

Jansbury has NOTHING he can run to get an open shot and the Spartans can get an open 3 or get to the rim any time they want

I agree with this. We have no offensive flow!!....its been like that for most of the year but Hubbard would get hot and keep us in games.

[MoreCowbell]

I think it's just much better guards on their side.

Where is the defensive intensity from the SEC tournament? What gives?

[Saltydog]

We don't even have littles that can shoot, outside of JHub........

[parabrave]

Getting schooled by a hall of fame coach for sure.

Seems like he just dusted off the Bama And at Aubbie films. This was a bad matchup we would've been better off as a 10 seed.

[BankerDog]

We need a guard that can drive. We don't have one. I'd take Davis from ark for this reason

Wasn?t Davis one of the ones in the ?love triangle? at Arkansas this year that caused that team to fall apart?

[dawgday166]

Jans is getting big boyd in the coaching department

So did Coach K at Duke when he began coaching there.

Jans ain't exactly going up against a coaching slouch.

[MoreCowbell]

We have been one of the nation best at opponent three percentage and that is how you let them beat us?

[msstate7]

We get it?you are mad Howland got fired. But the Spartans are also utilizing a core group of seniors and juniors that were highly ranked. We have Tolu-who got his check and disappeared- and Shak Moore who has not lived up to his hype. We need another shooter.

He's a rebel, banker. He's had the red ass against state bball since we took Hubbard

[msstate7]

Wasn?t Davis one of the ones in the ?love triangle? at Arkansas this year that caused that team to fall apart?

Apparently so. I just want a guard with his skill set... doesn't have to be him

[BankerDog]

He's a rebel, banker. He's had the red ass against state bball since we took Hubbard

He had some bad takes during football season too and that?s saying something?

[StarkVegasSteve]

Murphy needs to hit the portal.

[msstate7]

Where is the defensive intensity from the SEC tournament? What gives?

Certainly disappointing. That can be blamed on jans and the players too.

[BankerDog]

Apparently so. I just want a guard with his skill set... doesn't have to be him

I understand. We need another shooter or two. And some bigs who will get after it every game. Bell and Smith disappear too much for my liking.

[HoopsDawg]

Pitiful performance

[StarkVegasSteve]

Do we not understand we are down 14 with 5 minutes to go?? We are still just trying to play inside out. They are playing like we should be playing.

[NCMSTFAN]

NO OFFENSE AT ALL!!!!!!! NONE!!

[civildawg]

This is just so disappointing. We finally get back to the tournament play this team on the first game and get our asses waxed. There are so many more programs that have wins in the tournament since we have

[HoopsDawg]

Hubbard has whiffed on 3 fast breaks

[preachermatt83]

I was 50/50 on if we could win this game. But I never dreamed we would have gotten blown out like this

[dawgday166]

We get it?you are mad Howland got fired. But the Spartans are also utilizing a core group of seniors and juniors that were highly ranked. We have Tolu-who got his check and disappeared- and Shak Moore who has not lived up to his hype. We need another shooter.

I've never understood why everyone has been SO high on Tolu. He's pretty decent but he is over rated by our fanbase. C34 said at beginning of SEC play he was top 3 big in the country. I was LMAO on that one.

[NCMSTFAN]

Hubbard has to pass that

[StarkVegasSteve]

NO OFFENSE AT ALL!!!!!!! NONE!!

Where have you been the past two years? This is no different than any game we have played.

[PendingTransaction]

Defense sucks, rebounding sucks, can't shoot, all coupled with low basketball IQ.

[HoopsDawg]

We can't make a shot. Totally outclassed.

[99jc]

What did you morons expect...this team has shit for shooters outside of Josh...geeze you all act like we were good they are who we thought they were.

[msstate7]

Hubbard has whiffed on 3 fast breaks

Has he scored since he got hurt?

[MoreCowbell]

This sucks but I knew in my gut it was coming

[NCMSTFAN]

We can't even make layups or simple put backs.........This is embarrassing...........

Exactly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! On the National stage too

[msstate7]

I was 50/50 on if we could win this game. But I never dreamed we would have gotten blown out like this

^^^^

I didn't like us at all in this game bc I pay attention to the metrics, and we were clearly inferior. Still, this isn't acceptable. They made us quit

[basedog]

No doubt the other MSU is the better team. They played like a poised veteran experience team. We didn’t, it’s just that simple.

We need help going into next year with a few shooters.

Oh well maybe we win baseball and WBB later.

[StarkVegasSteve]

We can't make a shot. Totally outclassed.

Offense is not what is disappointing. We knew what we were there. It is the fact that they are shooting 55% from the floor FOR THE GAME and are outrebounding us. They were one of the worst rebounding teams in their conference.

[StarkVegasSteve]

No doubt the other MSU is the better team. They played like a poised veteran experience team. We didn’t, it’s just that simple.

We need help going into next year with a few shooters.

Oh well maybe we win baseball and WBB later.

This team is going to get blasted on Saturday by UNC. That is what will be really embarrassing

[msstate7]

What did you morons expect...this team has shit for shooters outside of Josh...geeze you all act like we were good they are who we thought they were.

You said in the prediction thread we could beat msu and NC

[dawgday166]

I hated this draw when I saw it. Izzo is at least a top 3 coach you do not wanna face in the 1st round of this tournament. And he may be the #1 worse coach you don't wanna face.

[basedog]

This team is going to get blasted on Saturday by UNC. That is what will be really embarrassing

I could care less.

[dawgday166]

This team is going to get blasted on Saturday by UNC. That is what will be really embarrassing

If it wasn't a UNC home game, I would bet on Izzo.

[civildawg]

51 points?! I turned it off 15 minutes ago they are still on 51 points. Good lord that is pitiful.

[msstate7]

This team is going to get blasted on Saturday by UNC. That is what will be really embarrassing

Mmmm... not so sure about that. They've gone head to head with some really good teams

[StarkVegasSteve]

Everyone take a good look at Hubbard in a State jersey. Probably the last time we will see it.

[NCMSTFAN]

Where have you been the past two years? This is no different than any game we have played.

Been watching State basketball all my life, trust me I know! I've also stated plenty of times I worried about Jans' offense, today shows me why I've always worried about it. I give Jans his credit when he deserves it but I speak facts about him when its deserving and facts are, our offese looks terrible....it has for most of the year but we excuse it at times becase of the wins. We are getting esposed today though

[HoopsDawg]

Has he scored since he got hurt?

2 points in the 2nd half. 6-18.

[Msujd164]

Nice knowing ya J-Hub

[NCMSTFAN]

Everyone take a good look at Hubbard in a State jersey. Probably the last time we will see it.

I don't think he will leave, but it wouldn't surprise me if he did.

[msstate7]

Everyone take a good look at Hubbard in a State jersey. Probably the last time we will see it.

I'll be surprised if he isn't back.

[MoreCowbell]

Well that was embarrassing

[civildawg]

Been watching State basketball all my life, trust me I know! I've also stated plenty of times I worried about Jans' offense, today shows me why I've always worried about it. I give Jans his credit when he deserves it but I speak facts about him when its deserving and facts are, our offese looks terrible....it has for most of the year but we excuse it at times becase of the wins. We are getting esposed today though

Agreed. I'm happy Jans brought us back to being respectable but his offense is a serious problem. It's the same offense as football last year. Slow and terrible

[HoopsDawg]

It may be a while before we get to the tournament again. Jans has been awful with the portal

[NCMSTFAN]

2 points in the 2nd half. 6-18.

Definitely not a good game, but damn who else is going to score if he doesn't get hot? Tolu has disappeared, Cam isn't a scorer, Jones isnt a scorer, Shak gets hot and cold, Murphy is the same... the list goes on and on

[msstate7]

It may be a while before we get to the tournament again. Jans has been awful with the portal

I'm ready to see him this season. Last season, he was basically recruiting to a team with established starters. This season, well... there's some holes

[msstate7]

Agreed. I'm happy Jans brought us back to being respectable but his offense is a serious problem. It's the same offense as football last year. Slow and terrible

Are you really advocating to fire a coach that has got to the tourney in both his seasons?

[NCMSTFAN]

It may be a while before we get to the tournament again. Jans has been awful with the portal

Yes he has, thats another concern

[msstate7]

Our debt for a great week hasn't been fully paid yet boys. You know what's in store for us starting tonight in baseball now, right? Man, I hope I'm wrong

[civildawg]

Point me to where I said fired? You can't. So you obviously have a hard time reading

[StarkVegasSteve]

So we bring back:

Hubbard- 50/50 on if he comes back
Murphy- hopeful he does not come back
Jones-Will probably come back but provides nothing tbh.
Matthews- I guess you bring him back for defense.
Fort- needs to leave.
Scott- no clue.
Chol- Will probably stay
Moore- I think he has another year but if he is not going to shoot he needs to leave.
Myers- no clue but looks like he has decent size.

So at the LEAST we are going to need 5-6 new players that can score. Next year could be rough with or without Hubbard.

[civildawg]

So we bring back:

Hubbard- 50/50 on if he comes back
Murphy- hopeful he does not come back
Jones-Will probably come back but provides nothing tbh.
Matthews- I guess you bring him back for defense.
Fort- needs to leave.
Scott- no clue.
Chol- Will probably stay
Moore- I think he has another year but if he is not going to shoot he needs to leave.
Myers- no clue but looks like he has decent size.

So at the LEAST we are going to need 5-6 new players that can score. Next year could be rough with or without Hubbard.

Which is why we should have never been in the 8/9 matchup this year. The whole season has been disappointing for me

[StarkVegasSteve]

Which is why we should have never been in the 8/9 matchup this year. The whole season has been disappointing for me

I mean you could see the holes this team had before the season. We we were always going to be AT BEST a 6 seed. The Southern game cost us a seed line though.

[msstate7]

Point me to where I said fired? You can't. So you obviously have a hard time reading

Nothing says I wanna keep a coach like he's a problem in half the game. He's shown real progress on offense this season...

2023 Kenpom off - 176th
2024 kenpom off - 60th

[civildawg]

That's due to 1 person and his name is Josh Hubbard. If we didn't have him we would be in the same exact spot

[msstate7]

That's due to 1 person and his name is Josh Hubbard. If we didn't have him we would be in the same exact spot

Cool, who signed em?

[dawgday166]

Nothing says I wanna keep a coach like he's a problem in half the game. He's shown real progress on offense this season...

2023 Kenpom off - 176th
2024 kenpom off - 60th

Some need to quit being so emotional and calm TF down. We got a good, young coach. We need to exercise some patience while he grows more into being a really good HC. He doesn't impress me as someone who ain't gonna try to always get better. And he's pretty decent now.

Today Jans went up against probably the current active best NCAA tournament coach there is. There is one team in SEC that could have "maybe" won today and that is AU. Every other SEC team would've been smoked too.

[civildawg]

Jans only because ole miss fired kirby. Not sure why you think this is some gotcha. Stick to talking about baseball because you have no idea about basketball.

[msstate7]

Some need to quit being so emotional and calm TF down. We got a good, young coach. We need to exercise some patience while he grows more into being a really good HC. He doesn't impress me as someone who ain't gonna try to always get better. And he's pretty decent now.

Today Jans went up against probably the current active best NCAA tournament coach there is. There is one team in SEC that could have "maybe" won today and that is AU. Every other SEC team would've been smoked too.

I guess I'm just getting older, but I don't flip out too much anymore. The metrics were clear who the better team was entering this game, so I knew it would be an uphill battle. We lost, but I can still appreciate a good season. I hope jans is here the next decade

[ZedFedder]

We played terrible today, but y?all are insane if you?re hating on Jans right now.

[msstate7]

Jans only because ole miss fired kirby. Not sure why you think this is some gotcha. Stick to talking about baseball because you have no idea about basketball.

Man, it pains you to give Jans credit for getting him, doesn't it? Hubbard shows 13 offers out of HS... didn't realize it was just us and OM, basketball guru.

[dawgday166]

I guess I'm just getting older, but I don't flip out too much anymore. The metrics were clear who the better team was entering this game, so I knew it would be an uphill battle. We lost, but I can still appreciate a good season. I hope jans is here the next decade

You were responding to someone else and I was adding to your response. I wasn't contradicting you. You good.

[msstate7]

We played terrible today, but y?all are insane if you?re hating on Jans right now.

You realize he's a basketball genius, right? Stick to something else and don't call out stupid posts by him

[msstate7]

You were responding to someone else and I was adding to your response. I wasn't contradicting you. You good.

I know. Just saying I used to be the one taking this nonsense in here

[civildawg]

I want Jans to succeed but you have your head in the sand. He had a terrible offense at NMSU and he has a terrible offense here. He's brought one offensive player to his team in2 years and that's Hubbard. That should be frightening to anyone to see.

[dawgday166]

I know. Just saying I used to be the one taking this nonsense in here

In hoops our fans think we need to be KY. In football ... Bama.

You right on metrics but metrics would have to be pretty far apart for me to bet against Izzo in early rounds of Big Dance. In fact I'm betting on Izzo Saturday ... Even tho it's a UNC home game

[StarkVegasSteve]

It is ok to be concerned about Jans and his offense, or lack there of. However, I do not really know what some of yall want. Stansbury was fired because we lost games we were not supposed to, Ray was fired well….I think we know that one, Howland was fired because he did not get to the tournament enough, and know we got people wanting to fire Jans because although he has been to the tournament his first two years he did not win.

The main crux of this whole issue is some of our fans want to act like we are a blue blood in basketball when we are most assuredly not. We have made it past the first weekend TWICE, 2 times, in the modern tourney era. That is not a blue blood.

[tcdog70]

I think it's just much better guards on their side.

you win in the Big dance with guards and defense.. That is why Izzo wins. His guard is top 5 in country. Our best guard scored 2 points in second half and got abused on defense.

[DownwardDawg]

We played terrible today, but y?all are insane if you?re hating on Jans right now.

Yep. It was just a bad game.

[NCMSTFAN]

you win in the Big dance with guards and defense.. That is why Izzo wins. His guard is top 5 in country. Our best guard scored 2 points in second half and got abused on defense.

This is 100% correct. I've said it for years you win with guards and we only had 1 true consistent guard and thats Hubbard.