Put up or shut up for our basketball team

[calidawg]

Starting tonight.

We need to go 5-0 these next 5 games and get some real momentum going into a big home game vs UK. No excuses.

[parabrave]

Right now we are last 4 in/ Losing a big starter and having a depleted bench isn't conducive to a 5 game win streak.

[parabrave]

going to a 3 guard and Cam and Toulu start.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Georgia is not a bad team. We need to bring our lunch pail to the court. Tolu needs to play like he actually likes scoring.

[BeardoMSU]

Our ability to find new and frustrating ways to turn the ball over continues to enrage me, lol.

[SailingDawg]

Jeffries injured?
Fort out?

When did this happen?

[BeardoMSU]

Jeffries injured?
Fort out?

When did this happen?

Where you been, lol?

[SailingDawg]

Not paying attention, I guess.

[BeardoMSU]

We should be up by 25+ if we could score, lol

[Dawgology]

We should be up by 25+ if we could score, lol

Yeah like watching two high school teams smh

[somebodyshotmypaw]

If we can win some games with DJ out, while developing Shawn Jones and Murphy, it could help us. But we have to win.

[Coach34]

You are seeing what happens when we play a team thats good- but not very good- which is what the top 6-7 of the SEC are

[Coach34]

Yeah like watching two high school teams smh

GTFO- we are elite defensively. We are a Top 25 team we just struggle scoring at times.

[HoopsDawg]

Murphy at the 3 could be a gamechanger for us

[HoopsDawg]

Jans with some bad subs let UGA back in the game

[BeardoMSU]

GTFO- we are elite defensively. We are a Top 25 team we just struggle scoring at times.

We are pretty terrible scoring the ball. It's no secret at this point.

We're obviously a good team, but GD it's frustrating watching us slog around trying to score.

[RockyDog]

Bozo and the bricklayers need to be playing in the old Jackson clown coliseum

[Coach34]

We're obviously a good team, but GD it's frustrating watching us slog around trying to score.

agree

[BeardoMSU]

That was a nice couple possessions.

[BeardoMSU]

Hub heating up!

[BeardoMSU]

Jesus. They're dropping scud missiles on Baghdad.

[Coach34]

Georgia is not a bad team at all- they can score. Our D in the 1st has been damn good

[msstate7]

Hold on, and this could be a decent night for us. NW up big and north Texas won

[msstate7]

Georgia is not a bad team at all- they can score. Our D in the 1st has been damn good

This looks like our 2022 team. Ugly as hell, but effective

[99jc]

Georgia is not a bad team at all- they can score. Our D in the 1st has been damn good

Georgia sucks but so do we. They will end up hitting 20 3's and beat us,

[BeardoMSU]

Georgia is not a bad team at all- they can score. Our D in the 1st has been damn good

We better hit some buckets or our great defense will get wasted.

[Coach34]

Georgia sucks but so do we. They will end up hitting 20 3's and beat us,

andddddd the moron chimes in. Georgia is also 14-8 and 4-5 in the SEC. They are battling their way to the bubble. They freaking won at SC

[msstate7]

Davis has 4 assists. His shooting woes really sucks, but his passing is important. We need him to find his stroke

[BeardoMSU]

Georgia sucks but so do we. They will end up hitting 20 3's and beat us,

Is this shtick, or what?

[msstate7]

Hubbard can't handle point

[HoopsDawg]

I need Murphy for Jones ASAP

[Coach34]

Murphy doesnt have his legs yet so he will be limited- but yes- its good he is back

[msstate7]

I need Murphy for Jones ASAP

Yeah, these open looks for jones are getting frustrating

[BeardoMSU]

Hubbard can't handle point

Nope. Hopefully he gets better.

[PGHBulldogBG]

Was Murphy hurt? I don’t recall why he has not played since the SC game and the announcers have not said

[msstate7]

Fort being out may not make this possible, but I'd like to see

Davis
Moore
Hubbard
Cam
Tolu

[Coach34]

Was Murphy hurt? I don’t recall why he has not played since the SC game and the announcers have not said

there was he quit vs he did something dumb and got suspended. Either way- glad he is back

[msstate7]

Jans has no offense on the court

[BeardoMSU]

These mfs have hit more buzzer/contested 3s that I've seen in awhile.

[msstate7]

Jones is hurting us.

[HoopsDawg]

Shak won't take wide open 3's but he will take a contested mid range baseline jumper.

[msstate7]

Shak won't take wide open 3's but he will take a contested mid range baseline jumper.

We have so many players with no confidence.

[parabrave]

We still suck at the 3. We have improved at the FT 11-14

[parabrave]

Hubbard can't handle point

He is a true Frosh/ Shak should be point/

[RezDog7]

We still suck

FIFY

[HoopsDawg]

Why would u mess with Cam.

[msstate7]

This is a horseshit call

[BeardoMSU]

How tf do those offset?

[R2Dawg]

Total bullshit call. Flag 1 on UGA, Cam did nothing.

[HoopsDawg]

Murphy is an elite passer

[MoreCowbell]

Murphy is good glad he is back

[MoreCowbell]

Murphy has the body and play style that translates to modern NBA. If he keeps progressing he will be drafted by the time he leaves here

[BeardoMSU]

Jesus....back to back stupid 3 shots.

[msstate7]

That dude hits a 3 on Hubbard every chance he gets. Hubbard is killing us tonight

[BeardoMSU]

How does Georgia have all these shooters instead of us, lol?

[HoopsDawg]

We fall apart when Cam is on the bench

[BeardoMSU]

That dude hits a 3 on Hubbard every chance he gets. Hubbard is killing us tonight

Yep.

[msstate7]

Am I imagining things or has every run for us been without Hubbard and every run for Georgia with Hubbard?

[HoopsDawg]

Am I imagining things or has every run for us been without Hubbard and every run for Georgia with Hubbard?

More about Cam.

[msstate7]

More about Cam.

Cam wouldn't be covering Thomason

[HoopsDawg]

Cam wouldn't be covering Thomason

Sigh

[HoopsDawg]

What are you doing Jans

[msstate7]

Sigh

2/9 shooting
0 assists
3 TO

[msstate7]

2/9 shooting
0 assists
3 TO

2/10

[msstate7]

Who covered him?

[HoopsDawg]

What are you doing Jans

You have to play Murphy over Jones. Have too

[BeardoMSU]

Ok...that's better, lol.

[HoopsDawg]

Finally!!

[msstate7]

2/10

3/10

Huge make

[msstate7]

Hubbard
Davis
Cam
Murphy
Tolu

Get em out there Jans

[HoopsDawg]

Jones was 0-4, 1-9 before the corner 3. Rough.

[msstate7]

Man, great d, and just a crap bounce of ball

[HoopsDawg]

2/9 shooting
0 assists
3 TO

Hubbards had a rough game but he's our leading scorer with 14. You asked when UGA was making their runs and I told you the answer: when Cam leaves the floor.

[msstate7]

If we had got Jordan wright from vandy this offseason, we'd be a 4-5 seed

[msstate7]

Nice job, jones

[HoopsDawg]

If we had got Jordan wright from vandy this offseason, we'd be a 4-5 seed

There were probably 50 players in the portal that would have made us a 4 seed

[BeardoMSU]

great pass Cam!

[msstate7]

What a pass cam

[HoopsDawg]

Good win because it's a win. We need to stack W's.

[msstate7]

Good win because it's a win. We need to stack W's.

Need to win by 10+

[HoopsDawg]

Interesting that DJ's absence didn't really hurt our defense.

I just need a little more Murphy and a little less Jones.

[msstate7]

Maybe Davis should be getting shark's mins.

[somebodyshotmypaw]

We got a win. Let’s go beat Mizzou

[HoopsDawg]

Maybe Davis should be getting shark's mins.

No. Shak is significantly ahead of Davis from an analytics standpoint. But he played well tonight. Just need to continue with the 3 guard rotation.

[msstate7]

This is the first game under Jans we played with dj. I think dj is a pretty valuable player, so probably a little underrated win.

[HoopsDawg]

Maybe Davis should be getting shark's mins.

Jans has to think upside/ceiling. I the upside is greater with Key playing more minutes.

[HoopsDawg]

This is the first game under Jans we played with dj. I think dj is a pretty valuable player, so probably a little underrated win.

I like DJ but the analytics don't. Lowest rated player on the team.

[Coach34]

Good win. Now got to go on the road and take what we have to have

[Lord McBuckethead]

Good win.

[msstate7]

I like DJ but the analytics don't. Lowest rated player on the team.

Maybe so, but I don't know much about basketball analytics. Seems the only way they could keep up with em is my box scores, and I don't think DJ's value is on that

[maroonmania]

Good win. Now got to go on the road and take what we have to have

Yep, if we can't win a road game against Missouri we might as well give up even trying.

[Commercecomet24]

Solid effort, good win. Now go get these wins we need to get over the next 8.

[msstate7]

Yep, if we can't win a road game against Missouri we might as well give up even trying.

Mizzou is 0-5 at home. That scares me to death haha

[NCMSTFAN]

Murphy at the 3 could be a gamechanger for us

Yes, getting him back helped alot and he played some at the 3 tonight. 10 points 4 rebounds, I'll take that. He's not the defender Jeffries is but he has more skill offensively.

Jaquan Scott is on the bench too for a little more depth in case we need it being down 3 guys but yes, getting Murphy back was big

[NCMSTFAN]

Fort being out may not make this possible, but I'd like to see

Davis
Moore
Hubbard
Cam
Tolu

I like:

Moore
Hubbard
Murphy
Cam
Tolu

Bring Davis, Jones, Bell off the bench

[HoopsDawg]

Maybe so, but I don't know much about basketball analytics. Seems the only way they could keep up with em is my box scores, and I don't think DJ's value is on that

There's no maybe about it. It's a fact. And yes, analytics are based on numbers, lol.

Now if DJ's minutes are all going to Jones, give me DJ back. But if Jans will continue to play Murphy at the 3, we have a higher ceiling.

[HoopsDawg]

I like:

Moore
Hubbard
Murphy
Cam
Tolu

Bring Davis, Jones, Bell off the bench

You nailed it. Perfect 8 man rotation.

[BeardoMSU]

Mizzou is 0-5 at home. That scares me to death haha

Damn you, lol.

[NCMSTFAN]

Murphy has the body and play style that translates to modern NBA. If he keeps progressing he will be drafted by the time he leaves here

Very good post and I agree...if he can stay healthy and play consistently he has a chance to put up some good numbers and turn some heads.. he is skilled, 6'10 long, can dribble, shoot and drive...glad we got him back especially offensively. If I'm Jans I'm starting him at the 3 and allowing him to play through some mistakes early in games, he needs the reps

[msstate7]

There's no maybe about it. It's a fact. And yes, analytics are based on numbers, lol.

Now if DJ's minutes are all going to Jones, give me DJ back. But if Jans will continue to play Murphy at the 3, we have a higher ceiling.

I just don't get how you gauge individual players. You can compare a team's offense vs their opponents and their defense vs their opponents for metrics like kempom. Anybody can determine a player's offensive value by a box score, but how do you determine a player's defense without watching the games?

[HoopsDawg]

I just don't get how you gauge individual players. You can compare a team's offense vs their opponents and their defense vs their opponents for metrics like kempom. Anybody can determine a player's offensive value by a box score, but how do you determine a player's defense without watching the games?

I don't feel like explaining it to you. Google it. But it's true basketball analytics might not be as valuable as baseball. But PER, WS, and box +\- are used frequently.

Here's a link: https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/mississippi-state/men/2024.html

Scroll down to Advanced

[StarkVegasSteve]

Need to win by 10+

They took that requirement away 4 years ago. It was stupid and pissing off players and coaches so they did away with it.

[StarkVegasSteve]

A couple of thoughts from last night:

1. We held serve. Winning was the most important thing last night and we took care of that. Now we have a massive game on Saturday for us. We need to get a road win under our belts. We needed 5-0 in this stretch so 1 down and 4 to go.

2. Jones struggled last night but came up when it counted. Credit to Jans for sticking with him and letting him fire away. His 3 from the corner with about 5 minutes to go staved off their final comeback and Hubbard pulled down the curtains on it the next possession. Jones HAS to be better for us though. We do not need him to score 15 a game. We need 2 to 3 threes a game from him.

3. Murphy could be an X Factor moving forward. Was great to see Murphy out there last night. He still is pretty bad defensively but he is long and if he can provide you 6-8 points off the bench then you have something. That is what we are missing right now. We kind of know what we are going to get from everyone, but need a bench scorer or 2.

4. I liked the tempo we played with last night. We tired them out with the tempo and by the 8 minute mark of the 2nd half they were tired out and were a step or two slow on their doubles of Tolu and he took over. That is where he needs to dominate the game.

5. Hubbard looked like he still had some Bama rust on him but came on in the 2nd half. It is amazing that he can play what seems to be a bad game for him and you look up and he has 14 points.

6. Please for the love of god, go find shooters next year in the portal.

[Coach34]

We played pretty well. Held them to their lowest scoring total of the season as did SC on Saturday. 62

[basedog]

Very good team effort and team play.

[msstate7]

They took that requirement away 4 years ago. It was stupid and pissing off players and coaches so they did away with it.

It still helps efficiency rating to win by as much as possible

[gtowndawg]

Was I the only one that noticed Tolu getting the ball farther away from the goal and facing up (not getting on the block and pound dribbling his way to the goal with 3 people hanging on him)?

[KentuckyDawg13]

Against smaller and less talented players, it works pretty well.

[tcdog70]

That dude hits a 3 on Hubbard every chance he gets. Hubbard is killing us tonight

Hub is a liability on defense. and his makes some lazy passes. so for him to play he really needs to shoot well.

[tcdog70]

people that Bitch about Tolu are ignorant.

[NCMSTFAN]

Hub is a liability on defense. and his makes some lazy passes. so for him to play he really needs to shoot well.

This is actually a good point and I'm a fan of Hubbard. But he doesn't give us much anywhere else other than scoring and the numbers say that, he only averages 1.7 apg, 0.6 spg, 2.3 rpg 0.1 bpg so if he isn't scoring the ball he doesn't really do a whole lot else for us. That being said he is our best perimeter scorer so Jans has to live with his deficiencies in other areas. If Hubb was about 6'5" he'd be declaring for the draft after this season because he can score that well, but his size does limit him, and that's not his fault.

[msstate7]

This is actually a good point and I'm a fan of Hubbard. But he doesn't give us much anywhere else other than scoring and the numbers say that, he only averages 1.7 apg, 0.6 spg, 2.3 rpg 0.1 bpg so if he isn't scoring the ball he doesn't really do a whole lot else for us. That being said he is our best perimeter scorer so Jans has to live with his deficiencies in other areas. If Hubb was about 6'5" he'd be declaring for the draft after this season because he can score that well, but his size does limit him, and that's not his fault.

Hubbard is gonna be our Stefan moody next season after tolu leaves

[PGHBulldogBG]

Jans is going to need to pull in some portal players next year. Besides Hubbard, Murphy and Jones I don’t think anyone is returning with meaningful minutes. We do have a good player from Erie PA coming in next year but I think that’s about it. We need to take advantage of the experience this year and get into the tournament because next year will be tough unless Jans can put a Lamont Paris type portal class together

[msstate7]

Jans is going to need to pull in some portal players next year. Besides Hubbard, Murphy and Jones I don’t think anyone is returning with meaningful minutes. We do have a good player from Erie PA coming in next year but I think that’s about it. We need to take advantage of the experience this year and get into the tournament because next year will be tough unless Jans can put a Lamont Paris type portal class together

Does cam still have a Covid year?

[NCMSTFAN]

Hubbard is gonna be our Stefan moody next season after tolu leaves

I'm all for that, but Jans is going to have to surround him with other scorers who can also contribute in other ways. You rarely see a small guard like that lead teams to championships at the college or pro level.

[Quaoarsking]

Does cam still have a Covid year?

Yes, I believe so.

[msstate7]

Yes, I believe so.

I thought he did. We need to get him a good enough check to return.

[BeardoMSU]

I thought he did. We need to get him a good enough check to return.

That would be big.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I thought he did. We need to get him a good enough check to return.

It does not have to be very big. He is not making the NBA so his choices will be take 75-100K to play here, which is around what we pay him now, or he can take the same amount and play in Helsinki

[NCMSTFAN]

It does not have to be very big. He is not making the NBA so his choices will be take 75-100K to play here, which is around what we pay him now, or he can take the same amount and play in Helsinki

You would be surprised how much money those guys can make overseas. I promise you it's more than 75-100k unless you are just in a ran down country which Cam wouldn't be. I know this for a fact, my brother in law had a lengthy career playing basketball overseas.

Cam is at minimum a Euroleague player and their average salary is 500 to 800k a year.. some of the elite guys make more.

The China basketball league guys make even more, average salary there is 1 - 3 million a year

[msstate7]

You would be surprised how much money those guys can make overseas. I promise you it's more than 75-100k unless you are just in a ran down country which Cam wouldn't be. I know this for a fact, my brother in law had a lengthy career playing basketball overseas.

Cam is at minimum a Euroleague player and their average salary is 500 to 800k a year.. some of the elite guys make more.

The China basketball league guys make even more, average salary there is 1 - 3 million a year

Wow, let's hope the lure of staying in the US and trying to get one more shot at nba is alluring enough to hold him

[StarkVegasSteve]

You would be surprised how much money those guys can make overseas. I promise you it's more than 75-100k unless you are just in a ran down country which Cam wouldn't be. I know this for a fact, my brother in law had a lengthy career playing basketball overseas.

Cam is at minimum a Euroleague player and their average salary is 500 to 800k a year.. some of the elite guys make more.

The China basketball league guys make even more, average salary there is 1 - 3 million a year

Euro league players are extremely fundamentally sound. Cam Matthews is not. And the Chinese teams only have 1-2 slots for overseas players and they are not using it on a college player who has no offensive ability other than dunking. Matthews options will be lower level Turkish league or maybe Latin America.

[NCMSTFAN]

Euro league players are extremely fundamentally sound. Cam Matthews is not. And the Chinese teams only have 1-2 slots for overseas players and they are not using it on a college player who has no offensive ability other than dunking. Matthews options will be lower level Turkish league or maybe Latin America.

Cam Matthews is not a fundamental guy at all but his value is worth more than 75k overseas.. alot of those teams love the tough nosed hard playing guys guys like him to pair with the finesse fundamental players, there are hundreds of them playing right now making good money.