MSU at Florida 1/24

[RocketDawg]

Tolu has his hair back. I wonder how he did that - thought he'd cut it off.

[msstate7]

3s and FTs make me hate this team

[HoopsDawg]

we look too strong for UF, but we have to shoot at least decently to win. 0-7 from 3 and a missed dunk. And 3 missed FT's.

[SailingDawg]

Tolu has his hair back. I wonder how he did that - thought he'd cut it off.

Was it in corn rows? Maybe he was getting a new treatment or something.

[HoopsDawg]

Bell and Tolu in the game together.

[msstate7]

Bell in the paint is taking smith out of it. Get bell out

[HoopsDawg]

Bell and Tolu in the game together.

That didn't last long. Matthews in for Bell. I wish Jans would play Fort at the 3 some.

[msstate7]

Killing us on boards now

[HoopsDawg]

Bell in the paint is taking smith out of it. Get bell out

LOL, it was literally 1 possession and we got 2 good looks.

[msstate7]

Jones just can't shoot

[msstate7]

LOL, it was literally 1 possession and we got 2 good looks.

They well with bell though... tolu probably makes both of those baskets

[msstate7]

We aren't winning this game unless we start making FTs.

[HoopsDawg]

Jones just can't shoot

I get why Jans loves Jones, but he's just so limited offensively I dn't understand why he doesn't play Fort some at the 3. Because DJ and Jones can't shoot.

[Bothrops]

My God we look like shit

[RockyDog]

We are so lucky to have a PG like Davis who consistently gives us 0 points and 0 assists.

[msstate7]

They've banked 2 balls in and we can't buy a FT or 3... we know how this will end.

[HoopsDawg]

Update, down 25-22. We are 2-11 from 3 and 2-7 from the line. And we've missed a dunk.

[CarolinaDawgs]

If hubbard can score 40 we have a chance.

[parabrave]

DJ still can't hit a 3 and TS still cant sink a FT. FTW they are going to foul the xrap out of him for the rest of the year

[Bothrops]

If hubbard can score 40 we have a chance.

Will never reach his potential around players like this.

[HoopsDawg]

DJ and Shawn are both -8. Fort +2

[msstate7]

Jones does nothing well

[HoopsDawg]

Jones does nothing well

He's got 4 fouls now. So if there was ever a time to play 3 guards, it's tonight.

[CarolinaDawgs]

Wonder if Lebby can come coach the offense.

[msstate7]

He's got 4 fouls now. So if there was ever a time to play 3 guards, it's tonight.

Good. He got a nice steal, but other than that, he was killing us

[HoopsDawg]

Just awful basketball. Hubbard with 16. The rest of the team with 13.

[msstate7]

I wish we had kept Taylor. We can't hold good offenses down anymore, and we have 1 shooter to try to keep up

[HoopsDawg]

Halleliuah, 3 guard lineup!!

[msstate7]

Halleliuah, 3 guard lineup!!

And we are getting torched on D

[SailingDawg]

I thought we were a defensive team?!

[Bothrops]

I understand Jans can't recruit, but when are we going to let the collective help basketball? Jans needs a lot of help with that.

[HoopsDawg]

And we are getting torched on D

Only because Matthews was on the bench with 2 fouls. DJ with 2 fouls. Jones with 4. Down 9 at the half.

[HoopsDawg]

I thought we were a defensive team?!

Good point. We are horrible on D. 43 points given up. We can't defend the perimeter.

[msstate7]

In our last 3.5 games, we've given up 82, 90, 55, and 43 in a half. Vandy sucks, so throw out the 55... Jans' D is just not effective at all vs good teams. Jans without a good D is not a good coach. I'm worried about Jans

[HoopsDawg]

I understand Jans can't recruit, but when are we going to let the collective help basketball? Jans needs a lot of help with that.

The collective did help. The collective messed up on Taylor. That's just the truth.

[msstate7]

The collective did help. The collective messed up on Taylor. That's just the truth.

Certainly can't sacrifice this outstanding D for offense

[Bothrops]

The collective did help. The collective messed up on Taylor. That's just the truth.

What was his actual deal? He could shoot the three.

[R2Dawg]

We suck defensively. Jans should be in some grill. Cam and Hubbard need to stay on floor unless hurt or foul trouble. Tolu can be great or he can suck. Tonight he sucks. He and others miss point blank shots right under rim. We got players dribbling around that have no business dribbling around. Jans needs to hire an offensive guru before next year.

[msstate7]

The season is a marathon
The season is a marathon
There will be ups and downs for non elites
There will be ups and downs for non elites
Serenity now
Serenity now

I'm gonna check out tonight and go swim in my flooded front yard. I'm way too pissed about this first half haha

[ZedFedder]

The issue is not the offense but the defense. We are used to elite defense from last year, and it just is not happening right now.

[HoopsDawg]

What was his actual deal? He could shoot the three.

I just don't think it was a fit.

[MoreCowbell]

We are not good. Not feeling good at all about my $750 bet on us over 19.5 wins

[HoopsDawg]

We suck defensively. Jans should be in some grill. Cam and Hubbard need to stay on floor unless hurt or foul trouble. Tolu can be great or he can suck. Tonight he sucks. He and others miss point blank shots right under rim. We got players dribbling around that have no business dribbling around. Jans needs to hire an offensive guru before next year.

We were +2 with Cam on the floor. We were -12 with Rams on the floor, yikes. Need to get more from Shak Moore.

[HoopsDawg]

And Hubbard starts the 2nd half on the bench. Coaches just can't help themselves.

[CarolinaDawgs]

What do you get when you combine a team that cant score or defend?

[HoopsDawg]

I don't get our rotations. Why did Tolu double team right there?

[HoopsDawg]

Please take out Rams!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[HoopsDawg]

DJ 0-4 on 4 wide open 3's. That's just not going to cut it from your 3 man.

[HoopsDawg]

Hubbard in for Shak instead of Rams. Why??

[msugolf]

Jans has one year to fix this roster and hire an offensive assistant. If he cant get a big transfer class then the writing is on the wall

[PGHBulldogBG]

It is really disappointing because it looks like a 2-7 SEC start barring a miracle. This kind of game will make people stay home Saturday and not show up. Just a disappointing year for state sports since making the tournament last year. The Tennessee win was at least fun and I still think we get some wins in the back half of the season but I’m seeing an NIT type team as a whole since SEC play

[msstate7]

We can't even play man to man D anymore.

I remember a comment earlier in the season that Jans said we only worked on offense all summer, no defense. I think he was telling the truth. The problem is Jans can't coach offense, so we just wasted the summer

[HoopsDawg]

2-3 zone vs UF? Interesting strategy Stansbury.

[civildawg]

My faith in Jans is almost zero. For as well as he coached last years team, he's coached this years just as bad

[HoopsDawg]

We can't even play man to man D anymore.

I remember a comment earlier in the season that Jans said we only worked on offense all summer, no defense. I think he was telling the truth. The problem is Jans can't coach offense, so we just wasted the summer

maybe now you can understand why I told you and 34 we didn't play well vs Vandy.

[RockyDog]

Fire Jans. Gonna be sick to see Hubbard back at scUM next year

[DawgFromOxford]

Well I'm out. Looks like the team has mailed it in for this game. Not doing anything well

[HoopsDawg]

My faith in Jans is almost zero. For as well as he coached last years team, he's coached this years just as bad

I mean, he was a Cohen hire so what did you expect.

[HoopsDawg]

Let's see if we've got 1 good run in us here.

[msstate7]

Fire Jans. Gonna be sick to see Hubbard back at scUM next year

Troll

[CJDAWG85]

Jeffries and Davis are no threat offensively. If Hubbard doesn?t get hot, we really struggle since all we do is shoot jump shots

[RockyDog]

Hubbard has more points than the entire starting lineup. How much longer is Jans going to keep this joke going of him coming off the bench? Shit he needs to be playing 40 minutes. None of these other trash players know how to play basketball.

[HoopsDawg]

Jeffries and Davis are no threat offensively. If Hubbard doesn?t get hot, we really struggle since all we do is shoot jump shots

And Shaq Moore is not looking to score at all.

[RockyDog]

Troll

Keep selling us on how awesome Davis is. Your basketball takes are gold.

[msstate7]

maybe now you can understand why I told you and 34 we didn't play well vs Vandy.

I never said we played well. I said we took care of business in that game even if ugly. I expected us to show up tonight and we didn't. If we don't show up Saturday against a really good team, jans isn't the coach I thought he was. He let us celebrate beating Tenn like it was the nba finals, and we seem to be still on a hangover from celebrating.

[HoopsDawg]

Jeffries and Davis are no threat offensively. If Hubbard doesn?t get hot, we really struggle since all we do is shoot jump shots

DJ 0-5 from 3. I have no idea why Jans and the collective went after a guard instead of a 3 man.

[msstate7]

Keep selling us on how awesome Davis is. Your basketball takes are gold.

All you post about in bball threads is Hubbard leaving for OM. You're salty about losing him, and at least I can take joy in that tonight

[HoopsDawg]

I never said we played well. I said we took care of business in that game even if ugly. I expected us to show up tonight and we didn't. If we don't show up Saturday against a really good team, jans isn't the coach I thought he was. He let us celebrate beating Tenn like it was the nba finals, and we seem to be still on a hangover from celebrating.

This game has nothing to do with the TN game. And BS on your whole statment. You pitched a fit b/c I said we won but didn't play well. Complete BS on your part. Own it.

[CJDAWG85]

None of the experienced guys you should be counting on are worth a shit? Tolu will not make it to the NBA? still tries to go to the rim every damn time and can?t pull up and knock down a short jump shot

[msstate7]

This game has nothing to do with the TN game. And BS on your whole statment. You pitched a fit b/c I said we won but didn't play well. Complete BS on your part. Own it.

I thought it was dumb and I still do to complain about a double digit sec win

[Bothrops]

My faith in Jans is almost zero. For as well as he coached last years team, he's coached this years just as bad

If you can't get players, there's not much more you can do. Hubbard basically fell in our lap, or we probably wouldn't have him.

[RockyDog]

All you post about in bball threads is Hubbard leaving for OM. You're salty about losing him, and at least I can take joy in that tonight

I could care less about scUM but if you think Hubbard is gonna come back and play for this clown show then I don’t know what to tell you. You are just a pathetic douchebag

[BuckyIsAB****]

I said earlier In the year, you do not lose to Southern University without locker room issues.

[Bothrops]

I said earlier In the year, you do not lose to Southern University without locker room issues.

You don't lose to them for any reason.

[msstate7]

At least keep the loss in single digits

[Turfdawg67]

Keep selling us on how awesome Davis is. Your basketball takes are gold.

And you show up to bitch. 17 off

[HoopsDawg]

So we make a run with the 3 guard lineup. Finally.

[HoopsDawg]

I thought it was dumb and I still do to complain about a double digit sec win

I wasn't complaining about the win genius. I said we didn't play well.

[HoopsDawg]

We have given up 13 offensive rebounds. Killer.

[msstate7]

That wasn't a double dribble

[msstate7]

I'm realizing I set my goals too high for this team. I'm adjusting it to just make the tourney and win a game... that means an 8-9-10 seed gives us a decent shot. We need to keep this game at around a 5-7 pt loss

[msstate7]

Can't get a rebound when we need it

[Dawgology]

Can't get a rebound when we need it

This team gets out hustled. They suck

[msstate7]

Teams just don't miss FTs like us

[CJDAWG85]

Tolu is getting bullied on both ends of the floor.

[msstate7]

This team gets out hustled. They suck

I'm not seeing lack of hustle at all. They played their asses off to get back in this, but they let the hole get too big

[msstate7]

These fouls are gonna kill our NEt.

[msstate7]

Stop fouling! F!

[msstate7]

Foul after a made basket, but this shit is just expanding the lead to kill us

[CJDAWG85]

We miss too many FT?s and too many point blank shots. I thought this team was going to be ready for the SEC road games but damn was I wrong. Auburn is gonna blow us out

[civildawg]

Losing Saturday to auburn and then on the road at ole miss next week will have this team dead and buried for making the tournament.

[Dawgology]

I'm not seeing lack of hustle at all. They played their asses off to get back in this, but they let the hole get too big

Hustle is the whole game. They hustle when they are beat but 50% they get out hustled and outplayed. Not very well coached either. But nice safe morally conscious hire for headcoah ��������

[CarolinaDawgs]

Got the 20pt guard performance you need to win in this league. Problem is literally everyone else sucked ass. what a waste.

[msstate7]

We closed this game out like a bunch of effin idiots

[maroonmania]

Most disappointing thing to me is this was supposed to be a real up year for us. Next year we are definitely taking a step back unless we go wild in the portal. We just aren't nearly as good as I thought we would be this year.

[msstate7]

Losing Saturday to auburn and then on the road at ole miss next week will have this team dead and buried for making the tournament.

I certainly don't know if we can do it again, but we were 1-7 in sec to start last year. February is very favorable for us if we can get our act together

[CarolinaDawgs]

If we dont get a hubbard start against auburn i think we riot.

[msstate7]

Most disappointing thing to me is this was supposed to be a real up year for us. Next year we are definitely taking a step back unless we go wild in the portal. We just aren't nearly as good as I thought we would be this year.

Maybe we can use tolu's money for another guard to go with Hubbard.

[HoopsDawg]

DJ's stat line: 0 assists, 0-5 from 3, 6 points. -16 +/-.

Davis: 0-4, 0 points, 1 rebound.

Tolu, 5-12, 4 turnovers

Cam and Shak actually finished +1 each. But Cam only got 26 minutes.

[CJDAWG85]

Davis scored as many points as everyone on this board tonight. Bench his ass.

[NCMSTFAN]

If you can't get players, there's not much more you can do. Hubbard basically fell in our lap, or we probably wouldn't have him.

I agree we just aren't very talented. Hubbard has been Jans' best recruit and we got lucky getting him. Jans is going to have to surround Hubbard with someb real weapons but Im not confident in his recruiting.This great defense we are supposed to have is non existent also.. we can't score, other than Hubbard, and can't stop anyone thats a recipe for alot of losses

[msstate7]

I love hubbard's scoring ability, but maybe 25 shots is a bit much.

[CaptainObvious]

We closed this game out like a bunch of effin idiots

Were down 69-63 with 3:53 left and the ball. We used the entire shot clock and Moore got his layup blocked and State gets the rebound. Uses up another 17 seconds and turns it over. So used nearly 45 seconds and got nothing out of the possession only down 6. It was over after that. At the 36 second mark, State was 1 for their last 8 shots.

[NCMSTFAN]

Davis scored as many points as everyone on this board tonight. Bench his ass.

I've been saying this for weeks. Go ahead and start Hubbard and let Fort get more minutes because we aren't getting anything out of Davis

[NCMSTFAN]

I love hubbard's scoring ability, but maybe 25 shots is a bit much.

Good point and I agree with you. But know one else was doing much scoring so I'll let that slide this game. We do need more perimeter scoring though because he's all we have right now

[HoopsDawg]

I've been saying this for weeks. Go ahead and start Hubbard and let Fort get more minutes because we aren't getting anything out of Davis

I would go with Hubbard, Shak, Jones, Cam and Tolu.

[CaptainObvious]

I would go with Hubbard, Shak, Jones, Cam and Tolu.

Not gonna happen. Jeffries knows where the bodies are buried (so to speak).

[CJDAWG85]

Hubbard is the only shooter on the team. If he gets hot, everything else opens up.

[msstate7]

One thing to consider with Davis is assists. He obviously isn't scoring at all for whatever reason, but we had 9 assists tonight and 4 were by Davis. He's the only player that seems to get them

[HoopsDawg]

One thing to consider with Davis is assists. He obviously isn't scoring at all for whatever reason, but we had 9 assists tonight and 4 were by Davis. He's the only player that seems to get them

We made a run with Davis, Moore, Hubb, Cam and Tolu on the floor together. I'm fine with that group.

[CarolinaDawgs]

I'm more upset about how we actually have a great core of effort and intensity we just lack so much talent. And I mean so so so so much talent to really be good.

A good team would KILL to have someone like Matthews on their roster, but we rely on him for more than what he is. Just a terrible off season in terms of evaluating talent and adding the right pieces to get better.

oh well at least baseball is almost here to **** me up some more.

[msstate7]

We made a run with Davis, Moore, Hubb, Cam and Tolu on the floor together. I'm fine with that group.

I've wanted to split DJ and cam up for a while, so I agree

[msstate7]

In some good news, NW is about to get a big Q1 win over Illinois, and Washington state is up 5 in the 2nd half in a Q1 game vs utah.

Hopefully we can get ourselves playing well again soon

[MoreCowbell]

I'm realizing I set my goals too high for this team. I'm adjusting it to just make the tourney and win a game... that means an 8-9-10 seed gives us a decent shot. We need to keep this game at around a 5-7 pt loss

Not wanting to overreact but nothing I am seeing right now makes me think we make the tourney

[msstate7]

Not wanting to overreact but nothing I am seeing right now makes me think we make the tourney

I think you might be a little bit. We've had a brutal January schedule... hopefully we can get a win Saturday bc February is much more favorable. Look at the schedule, after bama, we could get on a nice streak.

[parabrave]

I love hubbard's scoring ability, but maybe 25 shots is a bit much.

5-17 at the 3. That is way too much

[msstate7]

We made a run with Davis, Moore, Hubb, Cam and Tolu on the floor together. I'm fine with that group.

You've sold me. I think this should be our starting lineup Saturday.

[Prentis]

I want to see more Jimmy Bell and less Tolu.

[msstate7]

I want to see more Jimmy Bell and less Tolu.

Idk, but I do wonder if part of our defense collapse has been tolu. We were defending at a high level pre-tolu, and not so much with him. How much of that is competition level though?

[NCMSTFAN]

I want to see more Jimmy Bell and less Tolu.

Why? Tolu ain't the problem. He didn't have great game but Jimmy Bell is not better than Tolu. Our problem is we have no perimeter scoring other than Hubbard, that in itself will things up for Tolu in the paint when he gets double and triple teamed so when he kicks it out our perimeter guys have to make them pay......but they don't, too many missed wide open shots. We lack scoring in a major way and our defense isn't what people hype it up to be.

[msstate7]

Surprisingly, kenpom still has our D at #20. Here's the source of our defensive issues lately...

Kenpom off rankings:
Tenn #19
Alabama #2
Florida #19

[msstate7]

Do you ever feel unlucky? Kenpom has our luck at #288. OM is #4

[Saltydog]

It's not that we're unlucky, it's that we're just not good enough. Even with Hubbard, we're not any better than last year. The players we had coming back just have not improved. Still terrible shooting 3's, still terrible shooting f/t's, and the defense is arguably worse, at least in league games. Jans may be a good coach (I think the verdict is still out on this) but we don't have talent and he's not a good recruiter and that's the only way we're going to improve.

[msstate7]

It's not that we're unlucky, it's that we're just not good enough. Even with Hubbard, we're not any better than last year. The players we had coming back just have not improved. Still terrible shooting 3's, still terrible shooting f/t's, and the defense is arguably worse, at least in league games. Jans may be a good coach (I think the verdict is still out on this) but we don't have talent and he's not a good recruiter and that's the only way we're going to improve.

Maybe so, but I'm willing to wait and see once the competition lets up. We've played 4/5 Q1 games in sec, and it will be 5/6 this Saturday... 3 of those 6 will be top 10 net teams. This start has been brutal

Now take a look at February...
At bama
Georgia
At mizzou
Ark
OM
At lsu
Kentucky

If the wins don't start rolling in after at bama, then yeah, we have problems.

[Matt3467]

Hubbard was 9-25 with 17 of those beyond the arc. That's 36%. He's been shooting 39% all year. Anyone with 25 attempts a game not getting at least 20 points needs to sit. Our team just sucks and conference play is going just the way it's gone every year in recent memory. We finish OOC with 1 or 2 losses and think we're hot stuff.

[Saltydog]

You're right.........It's kinda like the women's softball team.......Every year they start out with a bang and we think we've got something only to get in conference play and shit and fall back in it.

[msstate7]

Looking at the sec Q1 games...

1 team has played 5...
Us 1-4

3 teams have played 4...
Tenn and bama 3-1
Kentucky 2-2

3 teams have played 4...
Georgia 0-3
SC 2-1
FL 1-2

3 have played 2...
OM 0-2
aTm 1-1
Mizzou 0-2

So yeah, our sec schedule has been tough

[DawgFromOxford]

Our offense is tough to swallow unless hubbard is on or Tolu is on, preferably need both for me to like our odds of winning. The offense is what it is. But gosh darnit if you know your offense sucks at least coach the team up to get free points from the free throw line

[parabrave]

Hubbard was 9-25 with 17 of those beyond the arc. That's 36%. He's been shooting 39% all year. Anyone with 25 attempts a game not getting at least 20 points needs to sit. Our team just sucks and conference play is going just the way it's gone every year in recent memory. We finish OOC with 1 or 2 losses and think we're hot stuff.

Got to agree with Matt/ Since TS came back and JH went total ballhog this team has gone to shit. We've had one game where everyone played great, TN. Since then we have got completely worse. DJ back to putting up airballs from the 3 and JB has all but disappeared from site. The guard play has really sucked/

[RocketDawg]

I just finished watching our game (DVR). It didn't matter in the end, but the missed travel call against Florida was pretty blatant. The refs must just not been looking. Pretty good comeback attempt in the final few minutes though.

Intentional fouls at the end made the score margin a good bit worse than it really was. I don't think I've ever seen intentional fouls at the end actually working.

[Coach34]

But gosh darnit if you know your offense sucks at least coach the team up to get free points from the free throw line

You cant "coach" FT shooting. Shaq had some of the best coaches in basketball history and coulkdnt make them. For the most part- people can shoot or they cant. You will rarely find a guy that shoots well from the field that's a bad shooter on the line. Announcers were talking about how Tolu was the last to leave practice the other day because he was working on FT's. How many shots facing the basket does Tolu take from the elbow or outside the paint? Almost none- why? He cant shoot

[HoopsDawg]

You cant "coach" FT shooting. Shaq had some of the best coaches in basketball history and coulkdnt make them. For the most part- people can shoot or they cant. You will rarely find a guy that shoots well from the field that's a bad shooter on the line. Announcers were talking about how Tolu was the last to leave practice the other day because he was working on FT's. How many shots facing the basket does Tolu take from the elbow or outside the paint? Almost none- why? He cant shoot

And you really can't out-rep bad form. Some of our guys don't have solid fundamentals on their shooting form.

[Matt3467]

DJ's numbers have declined every year (aside from rebounds which is his average). His first year in 2019 with Memphis was his best year stats wise and it's been down hill since. He's shot mid 30% the last two years.

Davis is another SR that has declined each year.