NFL stats

[Homedawg]

Teams that rushed for the most yards went undefeated this weekend. For those that have a hard time understanding, the teams than ran for less yards didn't win a single game. Not one. Amazing that those stats, while not that overwhelming, are the norm.

[Coach34]

#RTGDF

[dawgday166]

Teams that rushed for the most yards went undefeated this weekend. For those that have a hard time understanding, the teams than ran for less yards didn't win a single game. Not one. Amazing that those stats, while not that overwhelming, are the norm.

Not sure this is a good weekend to sample that LOL. I'm not making an argument for or against passing yds vs rushing yds but all the games but one were blowouts. Which means the teams out rushing the loser were trying to kill time off the clock, and the other team was passing like hell trying to make up the deficit.

The one close game was close in rushing yds and both teams rushed for less than 80 yds. Detroit had 79 yds rushing and Rams had 68. That's just two 6 yd runs difference, or one 11 yd run.

Personally, I don't care what our offense is if we move the ball well and score points. But I imagine KB and BSD fixing to come out of hiding to stir up that debate with you all over again. And here we go ***** just sayin.

[Todd4State]

https://www.fftoday.com/stats/23_run_pass_ratios.html

Yep. The running game is really dominating the NFL.**

Only two teams this year ran the ball more than passed. Those two teams ran the ball 51 and 52% of the time. There were two teams at 50/50. Everyone else in the league passed more than they ran- and six teams passed more than 60% of the time this year.

And we're going to start to see this trickling down to the college game more and more. Kalen DeBoer's offense ran 27 times per game while throwing 38 times per game. The shift in the SEC continues...

[Homedawg]

https://www.fftoday.com/stats/23_run_pass_ratios.html

Yep. The running game is really dominating the NFL.**

Only two teams this year ran the ball more than passed. Those two teams ran the ball 51 and 52% of the time. There were two teams at 50/50. Everyone else in the league passed more than they ran- and six teams passed more than 60% of the time this year.

And we're going to start to see this trickling down to the college game more and more. Kalen DeBoer's offense ran 27 times per game while throwing 38 times per game. The shift in the SEC continues...

I'm all for throwing the ball. Even more than you run it. But to win you can't be one dimensional.

[R2Dawg]

Teams that rushed for the most yards went undefeated this weekend. For those that have a hard time understanding, the teams than ran for less yards didn't win a single game. Not one. Amazing that those stats, while not that overwhelming, are the norm.

Not surprising. Football is a LOS game and good OL can run the ball and good DL won't let you run. This ain't rocket science.

[R2Dawg]

https://www.fftoday.com/stats/23_run_pass_ratios.html

Yep. The running game is really dominating the NFL.**

Only two teams this year ran the ball more than passed. Those two teams ran the ball 51 and 52% of the time. There were two teams at 50/50. Everyone else in the league passed more than they ran- and six teams passed more than 60% of the time this year.

And we're going to start to see this trickling down to the college game more and more. Kalen DeBoer's offense ran 27 times per game while throwing 38 times per game. The shift in the SEC continues...

I don't think it is shift as much as it is balance. Can't be one dimensional and MSU has been both extremes but if you can't run the ball your chances of winning go way down. Not saying you only run, must pass to but passing by itself don't make you win nor does running. There is also a reason why defense wins championships - on the LOS. It is what every champion does.

[Todd4State]

I don't think it is shift as much as it is balance. Can't be one dimensional and MSU has been both extremes but if you can't run the ball your chances of winning go way down. Not saying you only run, must pass to but passing by itself don't make you win nor does running. There is also a reason why defense wins championships - on the LOS. It is what every champion does.

Balance is starting to get redefined. A lot of fans and coaches think it's throwing the same amount as running it. There's becoming a lot more analytics involved- and those analytics in most situations favor passing. It's not about running a run or pass play in and of itself as much as it is becoming about running a specific play in a specific situation. So balance is now becoming more about throwing when you want to and running when you want to. And because there certainly are situations when you should run it you end up with a sweet spot that is more like 55-60% pass and 40-45% run. Which is what we're seeing in the NFL. And I think as more and more teams continue to become more comfortable with analytics you're going to eventually see it get to 65%/35%. Not to mention the continued emphasis on being a QB driven league, running backs being decreased in value, and safety concerns driving things.

A guy like Walter Payton is probably used as a hybrid RB/slot WR in today's game similar to how the 49ers use Christian McCaffrey. Same could be said about Barry Sanders and Thurman Thomas.

And man- I would have loved to have seen prime Joe Montana run the Air Raid. That would have been insane with his instincts and field vision.

[R2Dawg]

Balance is starting to get redefined. A lot of fans and coaches think it's throwing the same amount as running it. There's becoming a lot more analytics involved- and those analytics in most situations favor passing. It's not about running a run or pass play in and of itself as much as it is becoming about running a specific play in a specific situation. So balance is now becoming more about throwing when you want to and running when you want to. And because there certainly are situations when you should run it you end up with a sweet spot that is more like 55-60% pass and 40-45% run. Which is what we're seeing in the NFL. And I think as more and more teams continue to become more comfortable with analytics you're going to eventually see it get to 65%/35%. Not to mention the continued emphasis on being a QB driven league, running backs being decreased in value, and safety concerns driving things.

A guy like Walter Payton is probably used as a hybrid RB/slot WR in today's game similar to how the 49ers use Christian McCaffrey. Same could be said about Barry Sanders and Thurman Thomas.

And man- I would have loved to have seen prime Joe Montana run the Air Raid. That would have been insane with his instincts and field vision.

I don't know any serious fans that think balance is 50/50. You do enough of both to keep a defense off balance. Loading the box or drop 8 ain't it which is what we saw with AR and a few 75% run heavy years. The AR we ran was even more one sided than at any time we were a run first team in MSU history.

Any good O keeps a D guessing and that always requires some level of balance that you can do both - not a one dimensional O.

[smootness]

Why are we still talking about this? We do not run the AR anymore. Anyone thinking you have to be a run-first offense to be successful is insane. Anyone thinking you can have a great offense without a running game is insane. So what are we talking about here?

[Homedawg]

Why are we still talking about this? We do not run the AR anymore. Anyone thinking you have to be a run-first offense to be successful is insane. Anyone thinking you can have a great offense without a running game is insane. So what are we talking about here?

Pretty much sums it up

[Quaoarsking]

It's all a philosophy thing and you personally consider to be what football as "all about."

Some people view football as a cerebral battle of the minds, how can you outscheme your opponent, exploit matchups, take advantage of your strengths against their weaknesses, etc. Those people are fine with running, passing, whatever, and are generally going to find that passing is more likely to achieve those goals more of the time, although it always depends on the matchups, and the only thing that really matters is winning.

Others view football as the ultimate form of masculinity, physically imposing your will on the other team. Winning by any other method is "рussy football" and will never be legitimate in their eyes. While everyone wants to win, this "football as an extension of manliness" philosophy (religion?) reigns supreme to them.

[Big4Dawg]

Teams that rushed for the most yards went undefeated this weekend. For those that have a hard time understanding, the teams than ran for less yards didn't win a single game. Not one. Amazing that those stats, while not that overwhelming, are the norm.

You mean teams that are winning run the ball more to eat clock? That?s an amazing stat.

[State82]

But to win you can't be one dimensional.

And in the postseason this seems to be magnified. Everything elevates to a different level.

[R2Dawg]

It's all a philosophy thing and you personally consider to be what football as "all about."

Some people view football as a cerebral battle of the minds, how can you outscheme your opponent, exploit matchups, take advantage of your strengths against their weaknesses, etc. Those people are fine with running, passing, whatever, and are generally going to find that passing is more likely to achieve those goals more of the time, although it always depends on the matchups, and the only thing that really matters is winning.

Others view football as the ultimate form of masculinity, physically imposing your will on the other team. Winning by any other method is "рussy football" and will never be legitimate in their eyes. While everyone wants to win, this "football as an extension of manliness" philosophy (religion?) reigns supreme to them.

Good point and some truth in that. Just like a balanced O - run and pass. Football is both out smart your opponent and our physical them. It ain't complicated. Just like your portfolio, diversify is the best path to success.

[Commercecomet24]

Why are we still talking about this? We do not run the AR anymore. Anyone thinking you have to be a run-first offense to be successful is insane. Anyone thinking you can have a great offense without a running game is insane. So what are we talking about here?

100%! I don't know of any sport and especially football where you can be one dimensional and win consistently

[Homedawg]

You mean teams that are winning run the ball more to eat clock? That?s an amazing stat.

Spin it ever how you like ..../

[Big4Dawg]

Spin it ever how you like ..../

Just a stupid stat. Almost like saying the team that scored more points won the game.

When a team is losing, the normal stop running to catch-up.

[Big4Dawg]

https://davidschmerfeld.github.io/nfl-optimum-pass-run-ratio/

[Cooterpoot]

I don't care if you throw it or run it more, it's about the line of scrimmage. One dimensional offenses usually don't win the line of scrimmage.

[Commercecomet24]

I don't care if you throw it or run it more, it's about the line of scrimmage. One dimensional offenses usually don't win the line of scrimmage.

Shouldn't be hard to understand should it.

[Leroy Jenkins]

What if they ran more because they were winning, not winning because they ran more?