Hev Whiffs Again

[lamont]

There are 2-3 teams every year that we can't block- it's not just Bama

2014- it was OM, UPig, and Bama
2015/ it was Bama, LSU, and OM until the game was out of reach and we scored on the last 2 drives in the 4th
2016- it was LSU, Auburn, and Bama

Our lack of talent on the OL will always keep us in the 6-8 win range. The SEC is a LOS league.

[Dawg61]

There are 2-3 teams every year that we can't block- it's not just Bama

How many SEC programs have averaged 9.5 wins a year for the last 8 years?

[lamont]

How many SEC programs have averaged 9.5 wins a year for the last 8 years?

We don't average 9.5 wins per year under Mullen

Under 8 years of Mullen we have:

2 5 win seasons
2 6 win seasons
3 8 win seasons
1 10 win season

50% of Mullen's tenure we have won 6 games or less. And we also play the easiest OOC every season in the SEC. We have rarely played another P5 school outside the SEC in the regular season

And those are the kinds of results you expect with our OL recruiting

[Dawg61]

We don't average 9.5 wins per year under Mullen

Under 8 years of Mullen we have:

2 5 win seasons
2 6 win seasons
3 8 win seasons
1 10 win season

50% of Mullen's tenure we have won 6 games or less. And we also play the easiest OOC every season in the SEC. We have rarely played another P5 school outside the SEC in the regular season

And those are the kinds of results you expect with our OL recruiting

I know we haven't averaged 9.5 wins the last 8 years. That's not what I asked you. I asked you how many SEC teams have averaged 9.5 wins for 8 years?

[BrunswickDawg]

I know we haven't averaged 9.5 wins the last 8 years. That's not what I asked you. I asked you how many SEC teams have averaged 9.5 wins for 8 years?

Well, if you include Bowl/Post Season (which you should, they count) - Bama avg. 12.5 and LSU 9.75. UGA is the only other team close at 9.

West breaks down
Bama 12.5
LSU 9.75
T&M 8.8 (5 yrs in SEC)
AU 8.5
MSU 7.6
ARK 7.4
OM 6.8

East
UGA 9
UF 8.6
SC 8.1
MO 7.4 (5 yr)
UT 6.6
Vandy 5.1
KY 4.9

Our 8 years prior saw us average 3.6 wins per season.
And the Kang's "run" from 91-00 saw a 6.6 avg.

[Interpolation_Dawg_EX]

I don't think the fact that Hevesy is an asshole can be hidden from recruits after they meet him in person, but no one really disagrees he can coach.

[Cooterpoot]

I don't think the fact that Hevesy is an asshole can be hidden from recruits after they meet him in person, but no one really disagrees he can coach.

Rick Trickett is a bigger asshole than Hev could ever aspire to be. If there's one place you want an asshole coach it's OL. OL isn't for pusses.

[DeputyDawg94]

I'd love to find out what the man could do with a legitimate SEC line. Rankin was the only starter with an SEC offer other than us if I'm not mistaken. That's not too much to ask is it?

[Dawg61]

My point exactly. Only Bama and LSU average 9.5 wins or better yet some of y'all expect us to. Wish I could find the SPS post/thread where C34 said our best case scenario that we could ever hope to achieve as a program was 7-8 wins a year. Boy has that changed.

[tcdog70]

My point exactly. Only Bama and LSU average 9.5 wins or better yet some of y'all expect us to. Wish I could find the SPS post/thread where C34 said our best case scenario that we could ever hope to achieve as a program was 7-8 wins a year. Boy has that changed.

don't be pissed because we lose to LSU and Bama but be very pissed with a loss to KY-BYU and South Alabama.

[I seen it dawg]

We don't average 9.5 wins per year under Mullen

Under 8 years of Mullen we have:

2 5 win seasons
2 6 win seasons
3 8 win seasons
1 10 win season

50% of Mullen's tenure we have won 6 games or less. And we also play the easiest OOC every season in the SEC. We have rarely played another P5 school outside the SEC in the regular season

And those are the kinds of results you expect with our OL recruiting

That's 7 per on average if scoring at home

[Really Clark?]

There are 2-3 teams every year that we can't block- it's not just Bama

2014- it was OM, UPig, and Bama
2015/ it was Bama, LSU, and OM until the game was out of reach and we scored on the last 2 drives in the 4th
2016- it was LSU, Auburn, and Bama

Our lack of talent on the OL will always keep us in the 6-8 win range. The SEC is a LOS league.

Wait a minute, as someone who wants Hev replaced, I can't let you cherry pick like that. That is completely intellectual and statistically dishonest. You can't just be aribitrary like that. You could take any team, even Bama, and make that type of accusation and make it hold up statistically that an OL has trouble with 2-3 teams a year. You have to have a baseline, context, a bigger sample size, similar opponents, and if you are going over multiple years you have to have a specific criteria. You cannot just take 2-3 arbitrary teams each season, with that also not exactly same, that we struggled with and say it's always 2-3 teams without some specific criteria. You can say that about every team in the country, college or pro, and made a weakness sound worse.

Conversely, same applies the opposite direction. You can't just cherry pick the best 2-3 games either. The man is an albatross as a recruiter and because of other issues he needs to be replaced. But he can coach football and the OL. Coach57, whom many many on here have respect for, as said it multiply times. That's not the issue. There are not many OL coach who are decent recruiters and I don't care if they are because they need to be a coach first and last. He just can't overcome his negative recruiting at this point (from the outside as well) to make up for it with his coaching.

[lamont]

Wait a minute, as someone who wants Hev replaced, I can't let you cherry pick like that. That is completely intellectual and statistically dishonest. You can't just be aribitrary like that. You could take any team, even Bama, and make that type of accusation and make it hold up statistically that an OL has trouble with 2-3 teams a year. You have to have a baseline, context, a bigger sample size, similar opponents, and if you are going over multiple years you have to have a specific criteria. You cannot just take 2-3 arbitrary teams each season, with that also not exactly same, that we struggled with and say it's always 2-3 teams without some specific criteria. You can say that about every team in the country, college or pro, and made a weakness sound worse.

Conversely, same applies the opposite direction. You can't just cherry pick the best 2-3 games either. The man is an albatross as a recruiter and because of other issues he needs to be replaced. But he can coach football and the OL. Coach57, whom many many on here have respect for, as said it multiply times. That's not the issue. There are not many OL coach who are decent recruiters and I don't care if they are because they need to be a coach first and last. He just can't overcome his negative recruiting at this point (from the outside as well) to make up for it with his coaching.

Hev is a very good OL coach- I've never said different. But I do say that we simply don't recruit enough talent on the OL to have a serious chance at winning the SEC