Know When To Fold'em

[archdog]

They've already pissed off the NCAA. It doesn't matter if the fans get pissed now. They were, imo, going to get maybe a two year probation with serious recruiting sanctions but still able to weather the storm. Now, they're looking at sanctions one step under the death penalty. The NCAA is showing no mercy because they have to save face on this one.

And all the way in the background, we though Redmond had a terrible punishment. This one better be worse than a guy missing over half his college career for a pOS mustang on the cheap.

[Central Pork]

After how the NCAA handled the Cam Newton deal, you have to be skeptic they will hammer anyone. They made new rules to cover it.

But, the Ole Miss deal is different. The paying recruits to visit is the one thing that should get them hammered. IMO

[I_Spy]

Again, the right choices, Redmond probably be a NFL difference maker, move you forward

Bad choices move you backward or stuck generally

Proven I think already

It goes beyond what everyone does bc OM is crisis program the last few years or zero leadership. Logic alone tells you...their results or truly lack thereof

It would be stupid not to hammer OM at this point. I mean

[MSUDawg99]

I don't know what all he told them but he has already stated that he didn't know about the text messages that came out on draft night or he would have mentioned that too.

Did he say he didn't know anything or did he say he wasn't the hacker responsible for releasing the info from the phone? I thought it was the latter?

[Dawgology]

Again, the right choices, Redmond probably be a NFL difference maker, move you forward

Bad choices move you backward or stuck generally

Proven I think already

It goes beyond what everyone does bc OM is crisis program the last few years or zero leadership. Logic alone tells you...their results or truly lack thereof

It would be stupid not to hammer OM at this point. I mean

When I read your comments.
I feel like
I'm reading
Haiku
Poetry...

[BossDawg]

Okay but then what does this say about the kids? Wouldn't they know damn well what they are getting themselves into? I mean they could literally go anywhere in the country 10x better then Ole Piss.Yet they still pickin them. Are they that naive to where they still gonna go there despite the shit show that is coming there? OR do they know something we dont and perhaps Ole Piss may be getting away with it after all? .... this has to make you ponder.....and it makes me frustrated

Kids their age are just damn gullible and will believe pretty much anything you tell them, and Freeze is a pretty good snake oil salesman, too. You have to give him that. Also, there's plenty of time left for these guys to decommit. Everything appears to be OK now because UM technically isn't in trouble, yet. Once the NCAA hands down penalties though.......

Another note, earlier I read where this 4 star guy they got today was from Baton Rouge and didn't have an offer from LSU. That's kinda weird.

[BossDawg]

Well Coatney was a big get for them that is eligible for 2016 and this kid they just got is a 4 star for 2017....and they both committed after this Tunsil shit storm....ideally when players would usually stay as far as possible away from a program that should be burning in flames

Coatney is evidently a big risk and has gotten into a little trouble here and there, so teams like Bama have backed off of him. That's just grapevine talk though. I don't think he was a "huge, we GOTTA get this guy" recruit by any stretch of the imagination either.

[Dolphus Raymond]

Three sports with major violations tells even the most pessimistic that LOIC is a given. The AD is a dead man walking.

[BulldogBear]

When I read your comments.
I feel like
I'm reading
Haiku
Poetry...

I was thinking it was Yoda's "special" cousin

ETA: I suppose it could be poetry from Yoda's people, a people we still know nothing of....their poetry, all that's left there is

[Dawgowar]

I was thinking it was Yoda's "special" cousin

ETA: I suppose it could be poetry from Yoda's people, a people we still know nothing of....their poetry, all that's left there is

Recruit Bears they do.

[billbulldogs]

So Just for the sake of protecting wisdom and valuable information, life theories work, they should oust Freeze, ban OM for a good bit and force them into finally changing their ways.

To lead is to be the example. Of leadership

Why do you talk like yoda?

[billbulldogs]

But yoda's cousin aside .... I appreciate y'all answering that without jumping down my throat

[jbjones]

Why do you talk like yoda?

Naw man, it's not Yoda...it's a hidden motivational speech! Or something.

Of leadership!!

[msbulldog]

Long. Sorry. Been thinking about this for a while. I've said before that this is the ultimate high stakes poker game between UNM and the NCAA.

Assumption: The NCAA wasn't previously aware of the Tunsil/John Miller texts (not in NOA).

We know Tunsil's loaner cars and interest free loan is n the NOA. UNM admitted that and I believe them. This is the "nothing new" spin form Jan/Feb talking points. When the NCAA investigated and interviewed Tunsil, you know they asked him if he received any other non-permissible benefits. Still being a student-athlete, he would have said no. The step-father may not have spilled the beans at the time. If his intentions were to sue, he needed Tunsil to play a few games to keep the draft stock high.

UNM files for the extension. This helped them, but could be the nail in the coffin. Now, in their response, if the NOA includes anything about the Tunsil family living situation or impermissible benefits, the texts have to be addressed and admitted to or somehow explained away. They have to be wondering what other texts the hacker may have access to that could be worse than what has already been put out. So the ultimate question for them is do they admit and own up to paying him and his mom's utility bills OR roll the dice and hope nothing else comes out. If something else does come out that wasn't disclosed in their reply, the NCAA will hit their whole staff with show causes. Step dad is very likely a willing cooperator now (unless he has been "re-bought"). But failure to cooperate is admission of guilt.

If the NOA doesn't address this, they have to self report it and it brings a 2nd investigation onto campus (or 3rd, if you want to call it that). Again, this is high stakes poker. Admit to it and you have coaches/AD Dept PAYING or organizing payments to a player!!!! Deny it and if it gets proven with the hacker turning over the phone or through some other method, the NCAA will be looking to shut down your program.

Now you can change that assumption made in the beginning that the NCAA knew about the texts and they were in the NOA (highly unlikely because the coaches would have already been fired). UNM is still in the same boat, the Titanic. And they're bailing water with tablespoons.

This point has likely been made before, but is worth repeating. The UNM Administration probably can't decide who it wants to piss off. The football fans or the NCAA. Do they clean house and try to at least put on a show for the NCAA that they are not gong to have a shady program? Or double down on Freeze/Bdork even though it may backfire.

This is like a soap opera. For you Bear lurkers, my bet is 9 over 3. You will get to sign 9 over 3 years if your lucky. Not the other way around.

If you play poker, you would enjoy the Texas Hold-em game between the NCAA & UNM at the table as a fly on the wall. good post.

[Taog Redloh]

This guy is a troll. Used to post on nafoom.

Trolls are gettin' smarter

[msbulldog]

Bingo! One thing you may have missed though. In addition to all of this OM has been caught lying during this investigation. Any lenience that they could have received for willingness to comply ought to be out of the window. At this point I wouldn't even accept self-imposed penalties if I were an NCAA investigator. Their entire allegation should be classified as aggravated cases and draw the maximum sanctions.

The fallacy of your argument is that they have lied to the public, we don't know if they have lied to the NCAA.

[Mjoelner34]

Did he say he didn't know anything or did he say he wasn't the hacker responsible for releasing the info from the phone? I thought it was the latter?

Actually it was both. He denied hacking the account but he also said if he would have had that information, he would have told the NCAA. I think that's a sure sign that he didn't hold anything back when he talked to them earlier.

"If I had a picture of Laremy or Instagram -- I don't have Instagram or Twitter -- but if I had Instagram information, when I talked to the NCAA, I would have given that. ... I would have gave that information up then."

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/...-text-messages

[msbulldog]

Long. Sorry. Been thinking about this for a while. I've said before that this is the ultimate high stakes poker game between UNM and the NCAA.

Assumption: The NCAA wasn't previously aware of the Tunsil/John Miller texts (not in NOA).

We know Tunsil's loaner cars and interest free loan is n the NOA. UNM admitted that and I believe them. This is the "nothing new" spin form Jan/Feb talking points. When the NCAA investigated and interviewed Tunsil, you know they asked him if he received any other non-permissible benefits. Still being a student-athlete, he would have said no. The step-father may not have spilled the beans at the time. If his intentions were to sue, he needed Tunsil to play a few games to keep the draft stock high.

UNM files for the extension. This helped them, but could be the nail in the coffin. Now, in their response, if the NOA includes anything about the Tunsil family living situation or impermissible benefits, the texts have to be addressed and admitted to or somehow explained away. They have to be wondering what other texts the hacker may have access to that could be worse than what has already been put out. So the ultimate question for them is do they admit and own up to paying him and his mom's utility bills OR roll the dice and hope nothing else comes out. If something else does come out that wasn't disclosed in their reply, the NCAA will hit their whole staff with show causes. Step dad is very likely a willing cooperator now (unless he has been "re-bought"). But failure to cooperate is admission of guilt.

If the NOA doesn't address this, they have to self report it and it brings a 2nd investigation onto campus (or 3rd, if you want to call it that). Again, this is high stakes poker. Admit to it and you have coaches/AD Dept PAYING or organizing payments to a player!!!! Deny it and if it gets proven with the hacker turning over the phone or through some other method, the NCAA will be looking to shut down your program.

Now you can change that assumption made in the beginning that the NCAA knew about the texts and they were in the NOA (highly unlikely because the coaches would have already been fired). UNM is still in the same boat, the Titanic. And they're bailing water with tablespoons.

This point has likely been made before, but is worth repeating. The UNM Administration probably can't decide who it wants to piss off. The football fans or the NCAA. Do they clean house and try to at least put on a show for the NCAA that they are not gong to have a shady program? Or double down on Freeze/Bdork even though it may backfire.

This is like a soap opera. For you Bear lurkers, my bet is 9 over 3. You will get to sign 9 over 3 years if your lucky. Not the other way around.

If you play poker, you would enjoy the Texas Hold-em game between the NCAA & UNM at the table as a fly on the wall. good post.

[RocketDawg]

If you play poker, you would enjoy the Texas Hold-em game between the NCAA & UNM at the table as a fly on the wall. good post.

Your post showed up twice. Strange ....

[Reason2succeed]

The fallacy of your argument is that they have lied to the public, we don't know if they have lied to the NCAA.

If the NCAA is at all competent they would have asked Tunsil if he had received any other benefits other than the "L-owner car". I assume he said no. But then Hugh Freeze just confirmed to David Brandt that the accusation of electric bill money on top of the rent was not a part of the original investigation.

The NCAA also expects schools' compliance departments to self report infractions they find. In this case coaches who were on staff were directly paying Tunsil. Once again I'm sure the NCAA asked if everything had been disclosed.

Someone lied and OM had been caught in that lie.