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Originally Posted by
smootness
I'm pretty sure everyone is saying that he will definitely earn those minutes.
They aren't saying that. They are saying because he's rated a 5* McDonald's All-American he's already earned those minutes. It's the exact same bullshit Newman and Kegler walked in here with. I want to be very clear here that in no way am I talking shit about Perry but Howland better be very careful with this situation. We will be a veteran team next year. Perry has to earn his way onto the court. He is starting at ground zero when he puts on the jersey next year. His high school accolades are out the window day 1.
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Originally Posted by
Dawg61
They aren't saying that. They are saying because he's rated a 5* McDonald's All-American he's already earned those minutes. It's the exact same bullshit Newman and Kegler walked in here with. I want to be very clear here that in no way am I talking shit about Perry but Howland better be very careful with this situation. We will be a veteran team next year. Perry has to earn his way onto the court. He is starting at ground zero when he puts on the jersey next year. His high school accolades are out the window day 1.
Nick came in and started- no problem. I think it has to do with their personality and attitude. What is Perry’s like?
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Originally Posted by
Bulldog1
Nick came in and started- no problem. I think it has to do with their personality and attitude. What is Perry’s like?
This is a good point but X started game 1 too and got hurt within 5 minutes. Point is though that X was in the starting rotation to start the season. He was ahead of Holman and Carter in Howland's eyes as far as minutes go coming outta summer/fall practices.
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Originally Posted by
Dawg61
This is a good point but X started game 1 too and got hurt within 5 minutes. Point is though that X was in the starting rotation to start the season. He was ahead of Holman and Carter in Howland's eyes as far as minutes go coming outta summer/fall practices.
X started game 1 because Ado wasn't healthy & didn't play. Holman started game 1 at center. When Ado got back Xay went to the bench.
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Originally Posted by
Dawg61
They aren't saying that. They are saying because he's rated a 5* McDonald's All-American he's already earned those minutes. It's the exact same bullshit Newman and Kegler walked in here with. I want to be very clear here that in no way am I talking shit about Perry but Howland better be very careful with this situation. We will be a veteran team next year. Perry has to earn his way onto the court. He is starting at ground zero when he puts on the jersey next year. His high school accolades are out the window day 1.
The only person you could argue on any level is saying that is Intramural, and I think it's pretty clear that he's saying, 'As a McDonald's AA, he has the amount of talent that means he's too good to be getting 8/9 minutes.' I don't think he's saying that Perry will step right into the starting lineup simply because of his AA status. Everyone's just saying that if he's nearly as good as advertised, given what we have on our team, it's almost certain that he will be good enough to earn significant minutes.
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Originally Posted by
smootness
The only person you could argue on any level is saying that is Intramural, and I think it's pretty clear that he's saying, 'As a McDonald's AA, he has the amount of talent that means he's too good to be getting 8/9 minutes.' I don't think he's saying that Perry will step right into the starting lineup simply because of his AA status. Everyone's just saying that if he's nearly as good as advertised, given what we have on our team, it's almost certain that he will be good enough to earn significant minutes.
Exactly what we’re saying. His talent is there. He’s a game changer
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Originally Posted by
smootness
The only person you could argue on any level is saying that is Intramural, and I think it's pretty clear that he's saying, 'As a McDonald's AA, he has the amount of talent that means he's too good to be getting 8/9 minutes.' I don't think he's saying that Perry will step right into the starting lineup simply because of his AA status. Everyone's just saying that if he's nearly as good as advertised, given what we have on our team, it's almost certain that he will be good enough to earn significant minutes.
Originally Posted by
Bulldog1
Exactly what we’re saying. His talent is there. He’s a game changer
I hope you guys are right, I really do but consider me skeptical after Newman and Kegler. I want these guys to struggle to find minutes a little right away. Tired of babying high schooler all-americans. It never works out when we baby them.
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Originally Posted by
Dawg61
I hope you guys are right, I really do but consider me skeptical after Newman and Kegler. I want these guys to struggle to find minutes a little right away. Tired of babying high schooler all-americans. It never works out when we baby them.
You’re right, we need to stop babying them. If Howland is impressed in practice, he’ll start. If he’s not impressed, he won’t.
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Originally Posted by
Dawg61
They aren't saying that. They are saying because he's rated a 5* McDonald's All-American he's already earned those minutes. It's the exact same bullshit Newman and Kegler walked in here with. I want to be very clear here that in no way am I talking shit about Perry but Howland better be very careful with this situation. We will be a veteran team next year. Perry has to earn his way onto the court. He is starting at ground zero when he puts on the jersey next year. His high school accolades are out the window day 1.
No one ever said that we think he will be gifted a starting role. You made a statement that you think he will get 8/9 minutes next year which means you don't think he will make much of an impact next year. Multiple people disagreed and said that he will have a large impact next year and play a lot, especially since he is talented enough to be a McD's All-american.
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Originally Posted by
Intramural All-American
No one ever said that we think he will be gifted a starting role. You made a statement that you think he will get 8/9 minutes next year which means you don't think he will make much of an impact next year. Multiple people disagreed and said that he will have a large impact next year and play a lot, especially since he is talented enough to be a McD's All-american.
Saying he's 8th-9th man isn't meant to be a knock on Perry it's meant to be a compliment towards the other 8 guys
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Originally Posted by
Dawg61
Saying he's 8th-9th man isn't meant to be a knock on Perry it's meant to be a compliment towards the other 8 guys
Not saying it's a knock, but you are clearly undervaluing him. You are talking about a team that didn't even make the big dance. We aren't Kansas filled with 5 star talents. On paper, he is hands down our most talented player, as he was rated one of the top 24 players in the country coming out this year. Kegler and Malik underachieved based on our expectations, but both averaged over 10 points a game their freshmen years. We had 3 people do that this year. I'm not looking up numbers or anything, but I would guess that Mcdonald's All-Americans start 90+% of the time their freshman year. So for us to assume he will be a big piece of our puzzle next year is just logical.
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Originally Posted by
Intramural All-American
Not saying it's a knock, but you are clearly undervaluing him. You are talking about a team that didn't even make the big dance. We aren't Kansas filled with 5 star talents. On paper, he is hands down our most talented player, as he was rated one of the top 24 players in the country coming out this year. Kegler and Malik underachieved based on our expectations, but both averaged over 10 points a game their freshmen years. We had 3 people do that this year. I'm not looking up numbers or anything, but I would guess that Mcdonald's All-Americans start 90+% of the time their freshman year. So for us to assume he will be a big piece of our puzzle next year is just logical.
History tells me to undervalue the 5* Southern basketball player. Nick Spoon and Devin Booker are about the only two in the last five years that haven't been evaluated incorrectly from the recruiting services. I hope Perry is the 3rd one to be rated correctly. I need to watch some of his games.
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Originally Posted by
Dawg61
History tells me to undervalue the 5* Southern basketball player. Nick Spoon and Devin Booker are about the only two in the last five years that haven't been evaluated incorrectly from the recruiting services. I hope Perry is the 3rd one to be rated correctly. I need to watch some of his games.
Sexton, Duval, Knox, Carter, Vanderbilt, Washington. Just 6 of the top 20 players last year all from the south who lived up to expectations.
Harry Giles, De'Aaron Fox, Jayson Tatum, Malik Monk, Bam Adebayo, just to name a few from the year before.
You are just really reaching at this point.
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Originally Posted by
Intramural All-American
Sexton, Duval, Knox, Carter, Vanderbilt, Washington. Just 6 of the top 20 players last year all from the south who lived up to expectations.
Harry Giles, De'Aaron Fox, Jayson Tatum, Malik Monk, Bam Adebayo, just to name a few from the year before.
You are just really reaching at this point.
You're saying there hasn't been a lot of overrated players from the South?
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Originally Posted by
Dawg61
Nick Spoon and Devin Booker are about the only two in the last five years that haven't been evaluated incorrectly from the recruiting services.
Collin Sexton
Wendell Carter
Malik Monk
Jaylen Brown
Bobby Portis
That's not even counting guys from Florida & Texas.
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