Game of Thrones

[War Machine Dawg]

The prince that was promised. I get them confused myself because there is several that could be the same person or different such as the stallion who mounts the world.

Fairly certain The Stallion Who Mounts the World was different altogether. TPTWP is specifically related to the defeat of The Others/White Walkers. The Stallion was just supposed to be the ultimate Dothraki conqueror, if memory serves. And it was supposedly going to be Dany's baby with Drogo, but we all know how that turned out.

ETA: You're probably thinking about Azor Ahai as being another possible TPTWP. Those prophecies seem to have a whole lot in common. Wouldn't be surprised if they do wind up being the same, but wouldn't be surprised if they're totally different. GRRM has thrown so much shit against the wall, good luck figuring out what matters and what's a red herring outside of a few key elements like Jon and Dany. But that's what makes it so much fun!

[Tbonewannabe]

Fairly certain The Stallion Who Mounts the World was different altogether. TPTWP is specifically related to the defeat of The Others/White Walkers. The Stallion was just supposed to be the ultimate Dothraki conqueror, if memory serves. And it was supposedly going to be Dany's baby with Drogo, but we all know how that turned out.

ETA: You're probably thinking about Azor Ahai as being another possible TPTWP. Those prophecies seem to have a whole lot in common. Wouldn't be surprised if they do wind up being the same, but wouldn't be surprised if they're totally different. GRRM has thrown so much shit against the wall, good luck figuring out what matters and what's a red herring outside of a few key elements like Jon and Dany. But that's what makes it so much fun!

Didn't Dany say she was the Stallion who mounts the world in her Naked speech with the hut on fire? What is the actual difference in the prophecy of TPTWP and Azor Ahai? It has been awhile but I think I read where it sounded like maybe one was Dany and the other Jon Snow.

I am sure some people are going to be pissed because there is no way GRRM actually wraps up all the loose ends. It is going to be like the show Lost where you get a half ass explanation for 3/4 of it. At least we got the answer to Hodor even though it is horrific.

[BoomBoom]

Didn't Dany say she was the Stallion who mounts the world in her Naked speech with the hut on fire? What is the actual difference in the prophecy of TPTWP and Azor Ahai? It has been awhile but I think I read where it sounded like maybe one was Dany and the other Jon Snow.

I am sure some people are going to be pissed because there is no way GRRM actually wraps up all the loose ends. It is going to be like the show Lost where you get a half ass explanation for 3/4 of it. At least we got the answer to Hodor even though it is horrific.

We actually don't know much about the actual TPTWP prophecy. i think there was a bit where Maester Aemon thought it was Dany, as the translation could be Prince or Princess due to the Valyrian word being genderless. Does this mean the prophesy was Valyrian? perhaps from the same Targaryan princess that foresaw the Doom and convinced her family to move to Dragonstone? I think it's Jon though. "Promise me, Ned".

"the dragon shall have three heads" appears to have come from Rhaegar. there's still a lot there we don't know. he loved books as a child, and seems to have read something that caused him to believe he needed to be a knight.

Azor Ahai is a belief of the followers of R'holler, that a hero ended the Long Night by forging Lightbringer (via sacrifice) and defeating the Others. They believe he will be reborn to repeat history.

I woudln't be so sure about Lady Stoneheart. I can see the showrunners intending to leave her out, but her being more open to coming back (career-wise) now, and now that they have just said screw it and left GRRM behind then they may have come up with a plan to actually use her. I can understand them not using her when there was nothing for her to do, but now there could be in Season 7. The hard part though is the timing, as either she was risen long ago, or gets risen after a loooooooooooooong time decomposing. you know there will be a huge Oh Shit moment to end this season, and i don't see what else it could be. the Wall falling maybe? wait, we STILL haven't seen the end of the TOJ scene. the only reason to delay it this long would be.......twins.

[Uncle Ruckus]

Just thought of something, wtf is up with Dorne? They were in one episode. I really want the 'bad poosy' and the other ****s to die. I'd be fine with that being the last we ever see of them though.

[War Machine Dawg]

Just thought of something, wtf is up with Dorne? They were in one episode. I really want the 'bad poosy' and the other ****s to die. I'd be fine with that being the last we ever see of them though.

I'm starting to think Dorne's importance has been drastically reduced for the TV show. One of those book/tv divergences we've talked about at length. Kinda had to figure it when they announced they weren't casting Ariane and Quentyn, plus killing Myrcella. Elaria got at least part of her revenge and now rules Dorne with the Sand Snakes. Relatively tidy place to leave them. Or they'll show up out of the blue and tip the scales of a crucial battle to help unite Westeros in time to fight The Others/White Walkers.

[Tbonewannabe]

I'm starting to think Dorne's importance has been drastically reduced for the TV show. One of those book/tv divergences we've talked about at length. Kinda had to figure it when they announced they weren't casting Ariane and Quentyn, plus killing Myrcella. Elaria got at least part of her revenge and now rules Dorne with the Sand Snakes. Relatively tidy place to leave them. Or they'll show up out of the blue and tip the scales of a crucial battle to help unite Westeros in time to fight The Others/White Walkers.

Is it possible that is where Dany lands in Westeros and Dorne embrace her as their queen? Elaria made it a point to say that women would rule Dorne now. Other than Bronne interacting with the Sand Snake that place was a time waste. The show butchered that story line and made it unbearable to watch.

[War Machine Dawg]

We actually don't know much about the actual TPTWP prophecy. i think there was a bit where Maester Aemon thought it was Dany, as the translation could be Prince or Princess due to the Valyrian word being genderless. Does this mean the prophesy was Valyrian? perhaps from the same Targaryan princess that foresaw the Doom and convinced her family to move to Dragonstone? I think it's Jon though. "Promise me, Ned".

"the dragon shall have three heads" appears to have come from Rhaegar. there's still a lot there we don't know. he loved books as a child, and seems to have read something that caused him to believe he needed to be a knight.

Azor Ahai is a belief of the followers of R'holler, that a hero ended the Long Night by forging Lightbringer (via sacrifice) and defeating the Others. They believe he will be reborn to repeat history.

I woudln't be so sure about Lady Stoneheart. I can see the showrunners intending to leave her out, but her being more open to coming back (career-wise) now, and now that they have just said screw it and left GRRM behind then they may have come up with a plan to actually use her. I can understand them not using her when there was nothing for her to do, but now there could be in Season 7. The hard part though is the timing, as either she was risen long ago, or gets risen after a loooooooooooooong time decomposing. you know there will be a huge Oh Shit moment to end this season, and i don't see what else it could be. the Wall falling maybe? wait, we STILL haven't seen the end of the TOJ scene. the only reason to delay it this long would be.......twins.

Ho. Lee. Shit. I've never thought of that angle. We all assume that Jon was an only child and Lyanna forced Ned to raise Jon as his own, because she knew Robert would kill any child of Rhaegar's, even if it was her child as well. But who the hell would a twin be? Certainly not Dany. It's very much established she's Rhaegar's sister. And there's no one floating around with any of the classic Stark physical features that seems to be important. You also would have to assume Howland Reed took the other kid and dropped it off with a different noble family. But there's no hint of an unexplained adoption or bastard for the important houses, other than Jon. We need Bear to weigh in on this theory. It's making my mind hurt.

[Tbonewannabe]

Ho. Lee. Shit. I've never thought of that angle. We all assume that Jon was an only child and Lyanna forced Ned to raise Jon as his own, because she knew Robert would kill any child of Rhaegar's, even if it was her child as well. But who the hell would a twin be? Certainly not Dany. It's very much established she's Rhaegar's sister. And there's no one floating around with any of the classic Stark physical features that seems to be important. You also would have to assume Howland Reed took the other kid and dropped it off with a different noble family. But there's no hint of an unexplained adoption or bastard for the important houses, other than Jon. We need Bear to weigh in on this theory. It's making my mind hurt.

The popular twin theory is that it is Meera. Ned takes one kid and Howland Reed the other.

[BulldogBear]

Ho. Lee. Shit. I've never thought of that angle. We all assume that Jon was an only child and Lyanna forced Ned to raise Jon as his own, because she knew Robert would kill any child of Rhaegar's, even if it was her child as well. But who the hell would a twin be? Certainly not Dany. It's very much established she's Rhaegar's sister. And there's no one floating around with any of the classic Stark physical features that seems to be important. You also would have to assume Howland Reed took the other kid and dropped it off with a different noble family. But there's no hint of an unexplained adoption or bastard for the important houses, other than Jon. We need Bear to weigh in on this theory. It's making my mind hurt.

The popular twin theory is that it is Meera. Ned takes one kid and Howland Reed the other.

If this is true, then Meera was raised as Howland Reed's daughter. I don't think he dropped the twin off anywhere else. Like Leia she remains "completely anonymous." In ADWD, Melissandre has a vision in which Jon's sister is riding a horse to the wall. Was it Meera? At the end of ADWD, I believe of course that Jojen, aka Howland Reed is about to die and spills the truth to Meera about her true parentage and her brother Jon. Could be why Meera was absent at the end of ADWD along with Jojen?

Remember, I'm going off the books and the assumption that the show is not necessarily to be believed as far as storyline goes. Like others have said maybe just the endgame. It would be like somebody telling you after Vicksburg and Gettysburg that the North would win the Civil War and that Lee would surrender at Appomattox but telling you nothing else. Then asking you to fill in the gap with your own storyline. So, "the show is dead to me!" Screw you GRRM.