The one that got away (basketball)

[Dawg61]

There's always going to be some misses in college basketball. Stansbury had something like 35 misses between 2004-2012. That was players that he signed that quit/got kicked off/transfered/or flat out sucked and had no business playing SEC basketball. If we counted the ones Stansbury didn't even sign and passed up on it'd be 3x that amount. Howland is doing very well on limiting the misses so far imo.

[Liverpooldawg]

There's always going to be some misses in college basketball. Stansbury had something like 35 misses between 2004-2012. That was players that he signed that quit/got kicked off/transfered/or flat out sucked and had no business playing SEC basketball. If we counted the ones Stansbury didn't even sign and passed up on it'd be 3x that amount. Howland is doing very well on limiting the misses so far imo.

But not so well on winning, not yet anyway.

[Dawg61]

But not so well on winning, not yet anyway.

Stansbury fired himself when he refused to fire any of his assistants. Stricklin didn't go into the meeting with intentions of firing Stansbury. Rick left him no choice when he gave Stricklin an ultimatum. Rick Stansbury got 14 seasons as a head coach at MSU. He made over $25 mill dollars while at MSU. He is now set for life because of MSU. He did not make it to one single sweet sixteen in that timeframe. Fourteen seasons is enough for a guy that let his team do whatever the **** they wanted and refused to take direction from his athletic director in terms of replacing an assistant coach. Wouldn't do it. So we let him go and it was ABSOLUTELY the right call. You need to put it to bed. Let it go. Stansbury doesn't deserve to be our coach forever. Fourteen seasons is enough. Do not bitch about Stansbury being fired anymore he fired himself.

[MCsMGs]

Stansbury fired himself when he refused to fire any of his assistants. Stricklin didn't go into the meeting with intentions of firing Stansbury. Rick left him no choice when he gave Stricklin an ultimatum. Rick Stansbury got 14 seasons as a head coach at MSU. He made over $25 mill dollars while at MSU. He is now set for life because of MSU. He did not make it to one single sweet sixteen in that timeframe. Fourteen seasons is enough for a guy that let his team do whatever the **** they wanted and refused to take direction from his athletic director in terms of replacing an assistant coach. Wouldn't do it. So we let him go and it was ABSOLUTELY the right call. You need to put it to bed. Let it go. Stansbury doesn't deserve to be our coach forever. Fourteen seasons is enough. Do not bitch about Stansbury being fired anymore he fired himself.

Dang! This makes two times in a row I gotta give 61 an "amen"!

[Liverpooldawg]

Stansbury fired himself when he refused to fire any of his assistants. Stricklin didn't go into the meeting with intentions of firing Stansbury. Rick left him no choice when he gave Stricklin an ultimatum. Rick Stansbury got 14 seasons as a head coach at MSU. He made over $25 mill dollars while at MSU. He is now set for life because of MSU. He did not make it to one single sweet sixteen in that timeframe. Fourteen seasons is enough for a guy that let his team do whatever the **** they wanted and refused to take direction from his athletic director in terms of replacing an assistant coach. Wouldn't do it. So we let him go and it was ABSOLUTELY the right call. You need to put it to bed. Let it go. Stansbury doesn't deserve to be our coach forever. Fourteen seasons is enough. Do not bitch about Stansbury being fired anymore he fired himself.

Fact remains we still haven't equaled his last season in what is it, 7 years now? I won't argue that Stans was headed out, but we did it one year too quick. Water under the bridge now. I'd just like to get back where we were. Maybe this is the year. If Howland can't get us there, we really are in trouble.

By the way, how many Sweet 16s has MSU appeared in? I think the number is TWO, back to back years under Richard Williams. Now if the Babe had been allowed to go to the tourney every year, we might have had 1-3 more. It's not like we are a basketball powerhouse.

[Dawg61]

Fact remains we still haven't equaled his last season in what is it, 7 years now? I won't argue that Stans was headed out, but we did it one year too quick. Water under the bridge now. I'd just like to get back where we were. Maybe this is the year. If Howland can't get us there, we really are in trouble.

By the way, how many Sweet 16s has MSU appeared in? I think the number is TWO, back to back years under Richard Williams. Now if the Babe had been allowed to go to the tourney every year, we might have had 1-3 more. It's not like we are a basketball powerhouse.

I'll repeat it cause you still aren't accepting it. Rick Stansbury fired himself when he gave Stricklin the double birds by refusing to replace any of his assistants. There was no "one more year" once Rick made a line in the sand. There was nothing Stricklin could do except to fire him at that point. Had Stricklin not fired him he would have then been firing himself instead. There's only a very small fringe of you that still don't understand this which is confusing as you love to spout off about how much you know about business. Well this is the most basic of all business. When your boss demands you to do something and you refuse to do it you are firing yourself. This is the number one most basic rule of any business anywhere.

[Liverpooldawg]

I'll repeat it cause you still aren't accepting it. Rick Stansbury fired himself when he gave Stricklin the double birds by refusing to replace any of his assistants. There was no "one more year" once Rick made a line in the sand. There was nothing Stricklin could do except to fire him at that point. Had Stricklin not fired him he would have then been firing himself instead. There's only a very small fringe of you that still don't understand this which is confusing as you love to spout off about how much you know about business. Well this is the most basic of all business. When your boss demands you to do something and you refuse to do it you are firing yourself. This is the number one most basic rule of any business anywhere.

Whatever 61, you obviously know everything about everything. Had we waited another year, things would have been better. I know how MSU people felt. I also know how it was perceived by those outside the MSU family. Strick should have waited one more year before he forced the issue. His replacement options would have been better if we had fired Rick after a bad season. WE were the only ones that thought Rick's last one was a bad one for us. My non-MSU friends thought we we had gone nuts. I DO think we would have sucked the next year under Stans. I said so at the time. We would have had more options had we waited. Cue up 34 and others to deny this, but I have a DAMN good source on basketball. He has never been wrong, and was spot on on everything that happened, before it happened.

PS.....WE were the only ones that thought the Sydney debacle was a debacle. Everybody else thought it was amusing and mildly embarrassing, if they even noticed. The only thing they noticed in all of it was the fight. I know the story there, we canned the right guy.

[Coach34]

Whatever 61, you obviously know everything about everything. Had we waited another year, things would have been better. I know how MSU people felt. I also know how it was perceived by those outside the MSU family. Strick should have waited one more year before he forced the issue. His replacement options would have been better if we had fired Rick after a bad season. WE were the only ones that thought Rick's last one was a bad one for us. My non-MSU friends thought we we had gone nuts. I DO think we would have sucked the next year under Stans. I said so at the time. We would have had more options had we waited. Cue up 34 and others to deny this, but I have a DAMN good source on basketball. He has never been wrong, and was spot on on everything that happened, before it happened.

PS.....WE were the only ones that thought the Sydney debacle was a debacle. Everybody else thought it was amusing and mildly embarrassing, if they even noticed. The only thing they noticed in all of it was the fight. I know the story there, we canned the right guy.

you are insane. People from all over wondered how he still had a job. You have lost touch with reality. It's not often Sporting News calls a program the "most dysfunctional team in America". We were a joke to most people. Just wow

[Dawg61]

Whatever 61, you obviously know everything about everything.

If I am wrong about something I have zero issues admitting it. I am wrong often. Being wrong is the best way to learn and eventually being right. Your issues is not with Stansbury being fired it's that Stricklin came to the end of the year meeting with Stansbury demanding he replace an assistant. This is were your anger lies. That's fine by me as Stricklin then went rogue on the search and hired Rick Ray himself. Something every single one of us disagreed with then and still disagrees with now. Stricklin no doubt fumbled the **** outta the situation. However he did accomplish hiring an AA coach for MSU which is something we desperately needed to do and he hired a coach that totally gutted the program, cleaned out all the drug problems and started anew which is also something we desperately needed to have happen. He then hired Ben Howland. An excellent hire that will result in being our greatest hire in basketball ever this I am still confident of but just like most things in life it takes longer than we want it to.

[Coach34]

Fact remains we still haven't equaled his last season in what is it, 7 years now? .

Stands has only been gone 5 years. 3 for Ray and 2 for Howland

[Liverpooldawg]

Stands has only been gone 5 years. 3 for Ray and 2 for Howland

Seems like 10. I hate sucking at basketball.

[Coach34]

I won't argue that Stans was headed out, but we did it one year too quick

In retrospect I'll buy this because the 2013 team under Stands would have been God-awful and it would have shown it was more than time. We should have let him bottom out like we usually do in the other sports- then guys like you wouldnt have anything to hang your hat on

[Liverpooldawg]

In retrospect I'll buy this because the 2013 team under Stands would have been God-awful and it would have shown it was more than time. We should have let him bottom out like we usually do in the other sports- then guys like you wouldnt have anything to hang your hat on

That was my point 34........at the time. We all knew where we were headed that next year, but nationally people didn't. We were perceived as firing a coach based on unrealistic expectations because had just had a 20 win NIT season. Outside the MSU family that was seen as a decent season for us. That kind of crap is kryptonite for a coaching search.

[BeardoMSU]

I won't argue that Stans was headed out, but we did it one year too quick.

While this part is probably true, what really screwed the pooch was the shittastic hire we replaced Stans with. Hiring RR is what set us back, not firing Stans a year early. Rick Ray was a colossal fu<k up on our part.

[Liverpooldawg]

While this part is probably true, what really screwed the pooch was the shittastic hire we replaced Stans with. Hiring RR is what set us back, not firing Stans a year early. Rick Ray was a colossal fu<k up on our part.

The fact that it was one year too soon is directly related to how bad the hire was.

[BeardoMSU]

The fact that it was one year too soon is directly related to how bad the hire was.

I'm not saying there were options out there that would've made a splash, but RR was a no-body before we hired him (shit, he still is...). There absolutely were more qualified people out there we could've hired or at least taken a flyer on.

[BiscuitEater]

Stansbury fired himself when he refused to fire any of his assistants. Stricklin didn't go into the meeting with intentions of firing Stansbury. Rick left him no choice when he gave Stricklin an ultimatum. ... Do not bitch about Stansbury being fired anymore he fired himself.

Total BS and 'revisionist history.' Show me one credible person, article or link that says Stans was fired over assistants. Stans was fired because he lost control of 'his' team. Assistants were George Brooks, Cunningham and Marcus Grant. 'Who' was the problem Strick wanted to leave?

Meanwhile, Strick had 'no clue' who to get to replace the 'winningest' BB coach and we got Rick Ray. Thanks Peaches.

[Dawg61]

Come on 61. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck it?s a duck. He was fired, forced out, asked to resign, etc. It was not voluntary.

Total BS and 'revisionist history.' Show me one credible person, article or link that says Stans was fired over assistants. Stans was fired because he lost control of 'his' team. Assistants were George Brooks, Cunningham and Marcus Grant. 'Who' was the problem Strick wanted to leave?

Meanwhile, Strick had 'no clue' who to get to replace the 'winningest' BB coach and we got Rick Ray. Thanks Peaches.

Stansbury "retired" and slept on HIS decision before moving forward with it

"Stansbury said he slept on the decision Wednesday night, and felt comfortable on Thursday morning.

"A lot of coaches can stay at one spot too long," Stansbury said. "I don't want to be one of those coaches."

Miss. St.'s Rick Stansbury retiring

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-bas...sbury-retiring