Brian Hadad is in a heated Twitter debate....

[NCDawg]

Averaging 8 wins/year over a 5-10 year stretch would put you in the top half of the league with the 13th largest budget, smallest populated town, poorest state in the conference. I love the school. I bleed Maroon, but these are just the facts. Check the waiting list on club seats/boxes for Bama games. The sheer number of sidewalk Bama fans could fill our stadium every Saturday. They have almost a hundred years of winning, championship football. The best we can achieve is what we are currently achieving. Win 8/year and when the opportunity presents itself, we have to strike. We almost did it in 2014 and look well positioned to give it another run in 2018. If winning 10 games once every 4 years while hanging around 8/year average doesn't satisfy you, then you're following the wrong school.

With all due respect to your defeatist opinion, I totally disagree. I realize, however, that we have a lot of fans, probably most of our fans, that think like you do.

[Pipedream]

With all due respect to your defeatist opinion, I totally disagree. I realize, however, that we have a lot of fans, probably most of our fans, that think like you do.

Label it what you will, but it's realistic and factual. A&M and Florida have budgets almost twice our size with two of the best recruiting bases in the entire country and even they haven't averaged 9 wins/ year the last 5-10 years. No amount of bootstrap pulling on State fans parts is going to change the natural landscape nor demographics of the region.

[Todd4State]

Label it what you will, but it's realistic and factual. A&M and Florida have budgets almost twice our size with two of the best recruiting bases in the entire country and even they haven't averaged 9 wins/ year the last 5-10 years. No amount of bootstrap pulling on State fans parts is going to change the natural landscape nor demographics of the region.

Just because Florida has more resources and then mismanaged their football program the past 5-10 years...or Tennessee...or Auburn or whoever else that doesn't define OUR floor and ceiling and it doesn't mean that we can't get to 8-10 wins a year if we manage OUR situation well. All it means is that those schools mismanaged themselves even though their overall ceilings are higher than ours.

[Jarius]

With all due respect to your defeatist opinion, I totally disagree. I realize, however, that we have a lot of fans, probably most of our fans, that think like you do.

What do you think we need to do in order to do more than that? We are in year 9 of Mullen and it is clear that this is what he is. What should be done differently?

[NCDawg]

What do you think we need to do in order to do more than that? We are in year 9 of Mullen and it is clear that this is what he is. What should be done differently?

Um, I think we discussed this in previous discussions in this thread. At least to my opinion. But probably nothing. It is apparently the consensus opinion that we can't do any better than what we're doing.

[Jarius]

Um, I think we discussed this in previous discussions in this thread. At least to my opinion. But probably nothing. It is apparently the consensus opinion that we can't do any better than what we're doing.

The only thing I've seen you do in This thread is make condescending comments and offer up very few if any solutions to what you view to be the problem. If you're going to bitch, at least have a solution for us all to hear. You think Dan is a lazy recruiter and has lazy recruiters on his staff. I don't agree that he is in any way lazy, but let's say he is. What would you do about it if you were Mullen's boss?

[NCDawg]

The only thing I've seen you do in This thread is make condescending comments and offer up very few if any solutions to what you view to be the problem. If you're going to bitch, at least have a solution for us all to hear. You think Dan is a lazy recruiter and has lazy recruiters on his staff. I don't agree that he is in any way lazy, but let's say he is. What would you do about it if you were Mullen's boss?

Somebody said Mullen had a "come to Jesus " talk with Hevesy about his not very good recruiting of offensive linemen. I doubt this happened, but if it did, that's a good start. I don't suppose it's too much Cohen can do about Mullen's recruiting. He can mention to him that we don't think we're getting in a whole lot of talent on the OL,W/R, or D/B's, but Mullen is locked into his contract and he is judged primarily on is his W/L record, as are all coaches. Anyway, most State fans appear to be reconciled that we are not going to win the SEC anytime soon, so I guess it's ok. If you consider this a condescending remark, so be it.

[Todd4State]

Somebody said Mullen had a "come to Jesus " talk with Hevesy about his not very good recruiting of offensive linemen. I doubt this happened, but if it did, that's a good start. I don't suppose it's too much Cohen can do about Mullen's recruiting. He can mention to him that we don't think we're getting in a whole lot of talent on the OL,W/R, or D/B's, but Mullen is locked into his contract and he is judged primarily on is his W/L record, as are all coaches. Anyway, most State fans appear to be reconciled that we are not going to win the SEC anytime soon, so I guess it's ok. If you consider this a condescending remark, so be it.

I think Cohen is the opposite- and he loves football just like Keenum loves it. I don't think they are going to let any coach slack around. Obviously I think we all agree that firing Dan for not recruiting o-linemen would be extreme. I do think what they would do if they were unhappy about enough things they would just not give him an extension like after 2015. And if he fixes those things I think they would go ahead and give it to him- like after 2016.

And I'll say this about Dan and I was wrong about this with him- he seems like he does and is willing to adjust. I don't think he is nearly as stubborn as many make him out to be. He has mostly given up coaching special teams and hired a good kicking coach, he demoted Sallach which a lot of people never thought would happen in order to get Looney who is a better recruiter and coach. Dan hired Grantham after we told him we would pay whatever we needed. So, I don't know if he had a come to Jesus talk with Hevesy or not- but it honestly wouldn't surprise me if he did. To me it looks like our o-line recruiting is starting to pick up for the first time since 2009 so whatever happened it appears to be working.

[NCDawg]

I think Cohen is the opposite- and he loves football just like Keenum loves it. I don't think they are going to let any coach slack around. Obviously I think we all agree that firing Dan for not recruiting o-linemen would be extreme. I do think what they would do if they were unhappy about enough things they would just not give him an extension like after 2015. And if he fixes those things I think they would go ahead and give it to him- like after 2016.

And I'll say this about Dan and I was wrong about this with him- he seems like he does and is willing to adjust. I don't think he is nearly as stubborn as many make him out to be. He has mostly given up coaching special teams and hired a good kicking coach, he demoted Sallach which a lot of people never thought would happen in order to get Looney who is a better recruiter and coach. Dan hired Grantham after we told him we would pay whatever we needed. So, I don't know if he had a come to Jesus talk with Hevesy or not- but it honestly wouldn't surprise me if he did. To me it looks like our o-line recruiting is starting to pick up for the first time since 2009 so whatever happened it appears to be working.

Good post and I really hope you are correct.

[Todd4State]

The only thing I've seen you do in This thread is make condescending comments and offer up very few if any solutions to what you view to be the problem. If you're going to bitch, at least have a solution for us all to hear. You think Dan is a lazy recruiter and has lazy recruiters on his staff. I don't agree that he is in any way lazy, but let's say he is. What would you do about it if you were Mullen's boss?

Regardless of whether I think Dan is lazy as a recruiter or not...

I think my honest response would be to ask him what we need to do to recruit better and listen to what he has to say. If it's needing more money in the recruiting budget I would focus on getting him that. If he wants to get different assistants that are better recruiters but he needs MSU to pay better salaries to attract those types of coaches I would do it. If he needs more recruiting assistants I would make that happen for him. Or whatever else he needs to recruit better.

If I, as his boss, were on some kind of NCAA committee and he thought a certain rule being passed would help MSU I would do everything in my power to get that rule passed.

As a boss, I would do everything in my power to try to give him everything he needed to succeed at in recruiting within NCAA rules.

And as far as the rules and recruiting- I think the early signing period and the hard 25 signee cap are both going to help us out immensely. At the very least I think Dan is a good evaluator of talent. The early signing period is going to help him know where we stand with certain recruits. And it will allow us to see where our needs are, it will allow us to not have to worry about someone like Alabama signing someone at the last minute as much, and it will allows us to place all of our attention on the guys that uncommitted. The 25 signee rule is going to eliminate counting back- meaning some coaches on our staff can't say "Oh, well let's just pool up those spots for next year and only sign one high school o-lineman." It makes the spots more valuable- and therefore not using one is almost wasting a spot.

[Jarius]

On that note, the biggest thing I believe he has wanted for years is an even playing field in this state. Well he has that now and more and you can see the results in recruiting. Now is the time for a jump if one is ever going to happen. We can own recruiting in this state for the next half decade and if we play our cards right we can elevate our program to where it is viewed differently nationally.

Regardless of whether I think Dan is lazy as a recruiter or not...

I think my honest response would be to ask him what we need to do to recruit better and listen to what he has to say. If it's needing more money in the recruiting budget I would focus on getting him that. If he wants to get different assistants that are better recruiters but he needs MSU to pay better salaries to attract those types of coaches I would do it. If he needs more recruiting assistants I would make that happen for him. Or whatever else he needs to recruit better.

If I, as his boss, were on some kind of NCAA committee and he thought a certain rule being passed would help MSU I would do everything in my power to get that rule passed.

As a boss, I would do everything in my power to try to give him everything he needed to succeed at in recruiting within NCAA rules.

And as far as the rules and recruiting- I think the early signing period and the hard 25 signee cap are both going to help us out immensely. At the very least I think Dan is a good evaluator of talent. The early signing period is going to help him know where we stand with certain recruits. And it will allow us to see where our needs are, it will allow us to not have to worry about someone like Alabama signing someone at the last minute as much, and it will allows us to place all of our attention on the guys that uncommitted. The 25 signee rule is going to eliminate counting back- meaning some coaches on our staff can't say "Oh, well let's just pool up those spots for next year and only sign one high school o-lineman." It makes the spots more valuable- and therefore not using one is almost wasting a spot.