I have heard from several....

[bulldawg28]

The question is will Dan's "fine" be good enough at Florida? They just fired a coach who went to the SEC Championship Game twice the past three years.

The reality is Florida wants a Saban/Harbaugh/Meyer type of hire and that to me is why all of this started in the first place. They fired a competent coach to try to hire Chip Kelly. When that didn't work they went after Scott Frost.....and then Mike Gundy....and finally Dan. And that being the reality I'm sure Florida is hoping long term that Dan can leave them in "good shape" until they can try to hire their next splash hire to replace him in three years. I remember saying that there was no way that they would run off McElwain without having someone in place first or it would be incredibly botched. Well, they botched it.

He can sell getting three star talent at MSU because most of realize that we live in a small state population wise and we also realize that many of the recruiting services underrate Mississippi talent. That's not the case in Florida. A three star in Mississippi may be a Johntan Banks type of talent. A three star in Florida is more often than not a Brandon Holloway type of talent.

They fired him because of his lies. You're still talking about recruiting rankings. Florida will be a top #10 recruiting class there. He will not have to sign Holloway type of players. A 3* player in Mississippi will be a 4* in Florida. You should also know by now Mullen doesn't care about recruiting rankings he trusts his style of recruiting players

[Todd4State]

They fired him because of his lies. You're still talking about recruiting rankings. Florida will be a top #10 recruiting class there. He will not have to sign Holloway type of players. A 3* player in Mississippi will be a 4* in Florida. You should also know by now Mullen doesn't care about recruiting rankings he trusts his style of recruiting players

And that's very petty for a school like Florida to do to a coach who was winning. Of course like I said the whole plan all along was to hire Chip Kelly and they just used McElwain's lies as a convenient excuse to try to justify it.

The whole problem is while Dan doesn't care about recruiting rankings- the fans at Florida most certainly do. And they most certainly will care if Florida State, Miami, and Georgia are beating them on and off of the field- which is what I think will happen. I'm sure the Florida money people will demand that Hevesy and Gonzalez are replaced at a minimum in a couple of years. I don't expect Dan to react very well when that happens.

[bulldawg28]

And that's very petty for a school like Florida to do to a coach who was winning. Of course like I said the whole plan all along was to hire Chip Kelly and they just used McElwain's lies as a convenient excuse to try to justify it.

The whole problem is while Dan doesn't care about recruiting rankings- the fans at Florida most certainly do. And they most certainly will care if Florida State, Miami, and Georgia are beating them on and off of the field- which is what I think will happen. I'm sure the Florida money people will demand that Hevesy and Gonzalez are replaced at a minimum in a couple of years. I don't expect Dan to react very well when that happens.

You're acting like Hev and Gonzo weren't at Florida before recruiting and coaching the same positions. They did well then, they'll do well now. Let's be honest. If Mullen won at State he's damn sure gonna win at Florida. That's just the reality.

[Todd4State]

You're acting like Hev and Gonzo weren't at Florida before recruiting and coaching the same positions. They did well then, they'll do well now. Let's be honest. If Mullen won at State he's damn sure gonna win at Florida. That's just the reality.

Hevesy was demoted from OL coach to TE coach while he was at Florida under Urban Meyer. And Meyer didn't take Billy with him to Ohio State. That may have been in part because Byrne had hired Hud to be our WR coach before he hired Dan. Which may be one reason why Dan resents Hud.

[bulldawg28]

Hevesy was demoted from OL coach to TE coach while he was at Florida under Urban Meyer. And Meyer didn't take Billy with him to Ohio State. That may have been in part because Byrne had hired Hud to be our WR coach before he hired Dan. Which may be one reason why Dan resents Hud.

I don't understand that move of hiring someone's else staff. That would make most uncomfortable. I hear and see both sides of the argument. The dude seems rejuvenated and ready to coach again. He didn't win the championship he said he would here but he established us. He'll have a easier schedule than before and the talent to get it done. I expect him to succeed and beat upper echelon teams. Mullen had no problem believing he could beat Bama our players didn't until this year. When i played and we beat Bama, Auburn, Florida etc it was because the players believed. Jackie Wayne was the same the good years and bad. I hate things happened the way they did but the guy can coach.

[Todd4State]

I don't understand that move of hiring someone's else staff. That would make most uncomfortable. I hear and see both sides of the argument. The dude seems rejuvenated and ready to coach again. He didn't win the championship he said he would here but he established us. He'll have a easier schedule than before and the talent to get it done. I expect him to succeed and beat upper echelon teams. Mullen had no problem believing he could beat Bama our players didn't until this year. When i played and we beat Bama, Auburn, Florida etc it was because the players believed. Jackie Wayne was the same the good years and bad. I hate things happened the way they did but the guy can coach.

I don't understand or know why Byrne hired Hud and Les Koenning before hiring a staff either. I'm not sure if alumni pressure caused it to happen or if Byrne thought Hud would be really good one day and just wasn't quite ready yet and wanted to keep him around in case our then new coach left. Les was on Felker's staff and of course Rockey was still around at that time. And of course Hud has always had a lot of MSU allies.

I'm not sure that I would say that Dan established us or not. I think Jackie established us at least as much as Dan did. Literally the only thing people wanted to do when Jackie took over was beat Ole Miss and maybe go to a Liberty Bowl every once few years. As you very well know Jackie came in and started beating people and taking us to bowls every other year his first ten in an era when it was more difficult to go to bowls. I think Jackie believed in our players and he actually even won the SEC West plus 1999 was by my measure the best season we have had the past 25 years. That's why I think Jackie was better than Dan despite how it ended.

The thing about Dan is I think when he first came here with Byrne it was kind of using us as a stepping stone and I think everyone was OK with that. Then Stricklin took over and then all of a sudden it was "we need continuity!" and we ended up overpaying for a coach that only intended to use us as a stepping stone. Doing that made it really hard for him to move on. Dan got caught up in his long range career goals- and it's fine to have those and everyone probably should have those- but the problem is Dan let it interfere with his job performance at Mississippi State. And while it's OK to have long range goals you shouldn't let them interfere with your current job.

While Dan may have believed that HE could beat Alabama I'm not sure that he believed in our players being able to beat them based on how he called those games. That and he puts his own personal football ideology ahead of everything else- like running Holloway up the middle. I think that's why he called so many QB runs- because he trusted Dak and Fitz more than any of the other players on the team even if it was 4th and 14.

It was starting to get to the point where Dan was holding us back more than he was moving us forward.

[Goldendawg]

I don't understand or know why Byrne hired Hud and Les Koenning before hiring a staff either. I'm not sure if alumni pressure caused it to happen or if Byrne thought Hud would be really good one day and just wasn't quite ready yet and wanted to keep him around in case our then new coach left. Les was on Felker's staff and of course Rockey was still around at that time. And of course Hud has always had a lot of MSU allies.

I'm not sure that I would say that Dan established us or not. I think Jackie established us at least as much as Dan did. Literally the only thing people wanted to do when Jackie took over was beat Ole Miss and maybe go to a Liberty Bowl every once few years. As you very well know Jackie came in and started beating people and taking us to bowls every other year his first ten in an era when it was more difficult to go to bowls. I think Jackie believed in our players and he actually even won the SEC West plus 1999 was by my measure the best season we have had the past 25 years. That's why I think Jackie was better than Dan despite how it ended.

The thing about Dan is I think when he first came here with Byrne it was kind of using us as a stepping stone and I think everyone was OK with that. Then Stricklin took over and then all of a sudden it was "we need continuity!" and we ended up overpaying for a coach that only intended to use us as a stepping stone. Doing that made it really hard for him to move on. Dan got caught up in his long range career goals- and it's fine to have those and everyone probably should have those- but the problem is Dan let it interfere with his job performance at Mississippi State. And while it's OK to have long range goals you shouldn't let them interfere with your current job.

While Dan may have believed that HE could beat Alabama I'm not sure that he believed in our players being able to beat them based on how he called those games. That and he puts his own personal football ideology ahead of everything else- like running Holloway up the middle. I think that's why he called so many QB runs- because he trusted Dak and Fitz more than any of the other players on the team even if it was 4th and 14.

It was starting to get to the point where Dan was holding us back more than he was moving us forward.

Jackie will always be the "Kang". I'll never forget being in Atlanta when Kevin Prentiss took the punt all the way back and we were ahead of Tennessee in the 4th for a SEC championship. I hate how his last few years ended but UNM and the NCAA made it hard for us to continue to recruit. He was and forever will be "True Maroon". Dan too selfish to be thought of in that regard.

[bulldawg28]

I don't understand or know why Byrne hired Hud and Les Koenning before hiring a staff either. I'm not sure if alumni pressure caused it to happen or if Byrne thought Hud would be really good one day and just wasn't quite ready yet and wanted to keep him around in case our then new coach left. Les was on Felker's staff and of course Rockey was still around at that time. And of course Hud has always had a lot of MSU allies.

I'm not sure that I would say that Dan established us or not. I think Jackie established us at least as much as Dan did. Literally the only thing people wanted to do when Jackie took over was beat Ole Miss and maybe go to a Liberty Bowl every once few years. As you very well know Jackie came in and started beating people and taking us to bowls every other year his first ten in an era when it was more difficult to go to bowls. I think Jackie believed in our players and he actually even won the SEC West plus 1999 was by my measure the best season we have had the past 25 years. That's why I think Jackie was better than Dan despite how it ended.

The thing about Dan is I think when he first came here with Byrne it was kind of using us as a stepping stone and I think everyone was OK with that. Then Stricklin took over and then all of a sudden it was "we need continuity!" and we ended up overpaying for a coach that only intended to use us as a stepping stone. Doing that made it really hard for him to move on. Dan got caught up in his long range career goals- and it's fine to have those and everyone probably should have those- but the problem is Dan let it interfere with his job performance at Mississippi State. And while it's OK to have long range goals you shouldn't let them interfere with your current job.

While Dan may have believed that HE could beat Alabama I'm not sure that he believed in our players being able to beat them based on how he called those games. That and he puts his own personal football ideology ahead of everything else- like running Holloway up the middle. I think that's why he called so many QB runs- because he trusted Dak and Fitz more than any of the other players on the team even if it was 4th and 14.

It was starting to get to the point where Dan was holding us back more than he was moving us forward.

There's no doubt Jackie Wayne is the man. I agree with 99% of this post. My one disagreement is that Jackie did more. Jackie won one more important game than Dan (West Championship) but every record Jackie did Mullen broke. I love Jackie he coached me, but Dan did more. The winning record, team records, and bowl records, don't lie.

[msbulldog]

I don't understand or know why Byrne hired Hud and Les Koenning before hiring a staff either. I'm not sure if alumni pressure caused it to happen or if Byrne thought Hud would be really good one day and just wasn't quite ready yet and wanted to keep him around in case our then new coach left. Les was on Felker's staff and of course Rockey was still around at that time. And of course Hud has always had a lot of MSU allies.

I'm not sure that I would say that Dan established us or not. I think Jackie established us at least as much as Dan did. Literally the only thing people wanted to do when Jackie took over was beat Ole Miss and maybe go to a Liberty Bowl every once few years. As you very well know Jackie came in and started beating people and taking us to bowls every other year his first ten in an era when it was more difficult to go to bowls. I think Jackie believed in our players and he actually even won the SEC West plus 1999 was by my measure the best season we have had the past 25 years. That's why I think Jackie was better than Dan despite how it ended.

The thing about Dan is I think when he first came here with Byrne it was kind of using us as a stepping stone and I think everyone was OK with that. Then Stricklin took over and then all of a sudden it was "we need continuity!" and we ended up overpaying for a coach that only intended to use us as a stepping stone. Doing that made it really hard for him to move on. Dan got caught up in his long range career goals- and it's fine to have those and everyone probably should have those- but the problem is Dan let it interfere with his job performance at Mississippi State. And while it's OK to have long range goals you shouldn't let them interfere with your current job.

While Dan may have believed that HE could beat Alabama I'm not sure that he believed in our players being able to beat them based on how he called those games. That and he puts his own personal football ideology ahead of everything else- like running Holloway up the middle. I think that's why he called so many QB runs- because he trusted Dak and Fitz more than any of the other players on the team even if it was 4th and 14.

It was starting to get to the point where Dan was holding us back more than he was moving us forward.

Last line 'rings true'!

[I seen it dawg]

You're acting like Hev and Gonzo weren't at Florida before recruiting and coaching the same positions. They did well then, they'll do well now. Let's be honest. If Mullen won at State he's damn sure gonna win at Florida. That's just the reality.

He ain?t winning any more at Florida than he did here.