Freeze is actually compared to the Apostle Paul (Link)

[Beaver]

He's a fraud. End of discussion. I judge a man on his actions not his words. If those two things conflict then that person is (at best) a liar but most often a complete fraud. If the things being said about Freeze prove to be true then his actions are on the opposite end of the spectrum compared to what he "preaches". This equals a fraud.

Well, all us Christians are frauds. We all do stuff that conflict with the words we say. Freeze's mistakes just happen to be magnified because of his position. A few years ago, our preacher admitted to having an affair with the children's minister (who was also married w/kids). Turns out, it had been going on for 7 years, during which he had convinced our elders to fire nearly everybody else in the church office since they were getting suspicious. Talk about systematic cheating... After he resigned, he stayed with his wife (amazingly), did counseling, and rediscovered himself over a few years. He now preachers at another church in the area.

I'm with Shotgun. I think Freeze deep down is a good man who is very conflicted with how to win and please OM boosters while maintaining a strong faith. As a MSU fan, I hope he gets buried, and OM's program gets buried. And when that happens, I hope he'll spend time reflecting on what went wrong and rediscover himself like my former preacher. Additionally, I hope he realizes that God's Will has nothing to do with winning football games and NCAA investigations are not real 'trials and tribulations'...

[Jack Lambert]

Well, all us Christians are frauds. We all do stuff that conflict with the words we say. Freeze's mistakes just happen to be magnified because of his position. A few years ago, our preacher admitted to having an affair with the children's minister (who was also married w/kids). Turns out, it had been going on for 7 years, during which he had convinced our elders to fire nearly everybody else in the church office since they were getting suspicious. Talk about systematic cheating... After he resigned, he stayed with his wife (amazingly), did counseling, and rediscovered himself over a few years. He now preachers at another church in the area.

I'm with Shotgun. I think Freeze deep down is a good man who is very conflicted with how to win and please OM boosters while maintaining a strong faith. As a MSU fan, I hope he gets buried, and OM's program gets buried. And when that happens, I hope he'll spend time reflecting on what went wrong and rediscover himself like my former preacher. Additionally, I hope he realizes that God's Will has nothing to do with winning football games and NCAA investigations are not real 'trials and tribulations'...

All Christians sin but not all christian are frauds.

[Dawgology]

Well, all us Christians are frauds. We all do stuff that conflict with the words we say. Freeze's mistakes just happen to be magnified because of his position. A few years ago, our preacher admitted to having an affair with the children's minister (who was also married w/kids). Turns out, it had been going on for 7 years, during which he had convinced our elders to fire nearly everybody else in the church office since they were getting suspicious. Talk about systematic cheating... After he resigned, he stayed with his wife (amazingly), did counseling, and rediscovered himself over a few years. He now preachers at another church in the area.

I'm with Shotgun. I think Freeze deep down is a good man who is very conflicted with how to win and please OM boosters while maintaining a strong faith. As a MSU fan, I hope he gets buried, and OM's program gets buried. And when that happens, I hope he'll spend time reflecting on what went wrong and rediscover himself like my former preacher. Additionally, I hope he realizes that God's Will has nothing to do with winning football games and NCAA investigations are not real 'trials and tribulations'...

I'm not going to get into a theological debate but I know a lot of people who claim to be Christians that DON'T do that kind of thing. I call a spade where I see a spade. If you want to call yourself a Christian (or Muslim, or Scientologist, or Jedi) that's fine....act like one. Or don't claim it.

[TrapGame]

Well, all us Christians are frauds. We all do stuff that conflict with the words we say. Freeze's mistakes just happen to be magnified because of his position. A few years ago, our preacher admitted to having an affair with the children's minister (who was also married w/kids). Turns out, it had been going on for 7 years, during which he had convinced our elders to fire nearly everybody else in the church office since they were getting suspicious. Talk about systematic cheating... After he resigned, he stayed with his wife (amazingly), did counseling, and rediscovered himself over a few years. He now preachers at another church in the area.

I'm with Shotgun. I think Freeze deep down is a good man who is very conflicted with how to win and please OM boosters while maintaining a strong faith. As a MSU fan, I hope he gets buried, and OM's program gets buried. And when that happens, I hope he'll spend time reflecting on what went wrong and rediscover himself like my former preacher. Additionally, I hope he realizes that God's Will has nothing to do with winning football games and NCAA investigations are not real 'trials and tribulations'...

Freeze is the preacher screwing the children's minister at every church he preaches at. It's not a one time thing. There are plenty of stories about him when he was at Briarcrest. He's using the good ole boy, aw shucks country preacher act to create someone that he is truly not.

Is Freeze a good man? HELL NO!

[LockeDawg]

Well, all us Christians are frauds. We all do stuff that conflict with the words we say. Freeze's mistakes just happen to be magnified because of his position. A few years ago, our preacher admitted to having an affair with the children's minister (who was also married w/kids). Turns out, it had been going on for 7 years, during which he had convinced our elders to fire nearly everybody else in the church office since they were getting suspicious. Talk about systematic cheating... After he resigned, he stayed with his wife (amazingly), did counseling, and rediscovered himself over a few years. He now preachers at another church in the area.

I'm with Shotgun. I think Freeze deep down is a good man who is very conflicted with how to win and please OM boosters while maintaining a strong faith. As a MSU fan, I hope he gets buried, and OM's program gets buried. And when that happens, I hope he'll spend time reflecting on what went wrong and rediscover himself like my former preacher. Additionally, I hope he realizes that God's Will has nothing to do with winning football games and NCAA investigations are not real 'trials and tribulations'...

I'm shocked your former philandering preacher had the tenacity to stay in the ministry and another church agreed to have him lead their flock. After 7 (SEVEN) years of adultery in addition to bamboozling the "elders" of the church to terminate everyone else in the church so that his adultery could continue unimpeded for years on end, I wonder how another congregation was willing accept him?

A man can ask for forgiveness, seek and accept counseling and rediscover themselves and at the same time find a profession where they aren't tasked with preaching, teaching and mentoring others down the path of the straight and narrow.

[Jack Lambert]

I'm shocked your former philandering preacher had the tenacity to stay in the ministry and another church agreed to have him lead their flock. After 7 (SEVEN) years of adultery in addition to bamboozling the "elders" of the church to terminate everyone else in the church so that his adultery could continue unimpeded for years on end, I wonder how another congregation was willing accept him?

A man can ask for forgiveness, seek and accept counseling and rediscover themselves and at the same time find a profession where they aren't tasked with preaching, teaching and mentoring others down the path of the straight and narrow.

And go rub one off.

[Beaver]

A man can ask for forgiveness, seek and accept counseling and rediscover themselves and at the same time find a profession where they aren't tasked with preaching, teaching and mentoring others down the path of the straight and narrow.

Wait, which Bible verse is that?

David had a man killed so he could sleep with a pretty naked woman he saw bathing on the rooftops. Did God remove him from his position? Look it took along time for me and my family to forgive the preacher. He hurt us and a lot of other people. But there is nowhere in the New Testament that says to give up ministering to others. Paul killed tons of Christians for years, and God decided to use him...