Page 1 of 4 123 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 20 of 72

Thread: The #1 reason why it's taking longer than we want in basketball...

  1. #1
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Location
    Gold, Mississippi
    Posts
    26,385
    vCash
    1094082

    The #1 reason why it's taking longer than we want in basketball...

    is 5* Malik Newman, 4* Mario Kegler and 4* Schnider Herard all ditching on Howland. All three of those guys should either be starting or contributing major minutes if they were the players we thought we signed. They are three major misses and it's killing us. He hasn't had enough time to replace them with equal or better talent. Howland's signing classes aren't nearly as impressive after losing those three guys. We need Howland to step it up in recruiting to make up for those losses. He does have a nice class coming in but he needs to get some transfers/euros that can play next year and he needs to trim the fat on a couple guys potentially.

  2. #2
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2015
    Posts
    5,432
    vCash
    3828
    X bout to trim himself if he don?t quit what ever stupid shitake he?s doing

  3. #3
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2013
    Posts
    16,529
    vCash
    2510
    Quote Originally Posted by Dawg61 View Post
    is 5* Malik Newman, 4* Mario Kegler and 4* Schnider Herard all ditching on Howland. All three of those guys should either be starting or contributing major minutes if they were the players we thought we signed. They are three major misses and it's killing us. He hasn't had enough time to replace them with equal or better talent. Howland's signing classes aren't nearly as impressive after losing those three guys. We need Howland to step it up in recruiting to make up for those losses. He does have a nice class coming in but he needs to get some transfers/euros that can play next year and he needs to trim the fat on a couple guys potentially.
    step it up? LOL. He signed a McDonald's All-American and the 2 best players in the state. Probably going to add another Ado type player as well.

    Agree on the transfers as this has been stated many times by me and Ari and others so it's not exactly an original thought.

  4. #4
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Location
    Gold, Mississippi
    Posts
    26,385
    vCash
    1094082
    Quote Originally Posted by HoopsDawg View Post
    step it up? LOL. He signed a McDonald's All-American and the 2 best players in the state. Probably going to add another Ado type player as well.

    Agree on the transfers as this has been stated many times by me and Ari and others so it's not exactly an original thought.
    I'll give you Perry is the replacement for Kegler but the other two aren't replacements for the losses of Newman and Herard. Those two spots haven't been filled/replaced yet. Nick Spoon was always coming here so he's not a replacement for Newman either.

  5. #5
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2013
    Posts
    12,201
    vCash
    1003200
    Quote Originally Posted by Dawg61 View Post
    is 5* Malik Newman, 4* Mario Kegler and 4* Schnider Herard all ditching on Howland. All three of those guys should either be starting or contributing major minutes if they were the players we thought we signed. They are three major misses and it's killing us. He hasn't had enough time to replace them with equal or better talent. Howland's signing classes aren't nearly as impressive after losing those three guys. We need Howland to step it up in recruiting to make up for those losses. He does have a nice class coming in but he needs to get some transfers/euros that can play next year and he needs to trim the fat on a couple guys potentially.
    Interesting. IS this where people ready for Howland to go say "It's his fault" .

    I think I have heard that argument before..... a lot in fact.
    Whistleblower exposes: (FISA), Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts, 156 other judges, members of Congress, and Donald J. Trump were targeted by the HAMMER.

  6. #6
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Location
    Gold, Mississippi
    Posts
    26,385
    vCash
    1094082
    Quote Originally Posted by Coach View Post
    Interesting. IS this where people ready for Howland to go say "It's his fault" .

    I think I have heard that argument before..... a lot in fact.
    I'm not saying it's Howland's fault they transferred but I am saying if this was football we basically lost our starting QB, WR and RB and haven't replaced them yet and are wondering why we suck.

  7. #7
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2014
    Posts
    19,812
    vCash
    3100
    No better argument exists for NOT star watching when it comes to recruiting.

  8. #8
    Paysite Policeman Dawg-gone-dawgs's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2015
    Posts
    5,205
    vCash
    3100
    Quote Originally Posted by Dawg61 View Post
    is 5* Malik Newman, 4* Mario Kegler and 4* Schnider Herard all ditching on Howland. All three of those guys should either be starting or contributing major minutes if they were the players we thought we signed. They are three major misses and it's killing us. He hasn't had enough time to replace them with equal or better talent. Howland's signing classes aren't nearly as impressive after losing those three guys. We need Howland to step it up in recruiting to make up for those losses. He does have a nice class coming in but he needs to get some transfers/euros that can play next year and he needs to trim the fat on a couple guys potentially.
    Herard didn?t ditch on Howland. We saw the writing on the wall
    No Signature

  9. #9
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2016
    Posts
    4,295
    vCash
    3100
    Brooks not making it to Starkville didn't help matters either....

  10. #10
    Senior Member msstate7's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Posts
    73,023
    vCash
    10439
    Speaking of turnover, is it time for howland to shuffle this staff some?

  11. #11
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Location
    Gold, Mississippi
    Posts
    26,385
    vCash
    1094082
    Quote Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg View Post
    No better argument exists for NOT star watching when it comes to recruiting.
    You can't have misses on center piece guys in basketball. It killed Stansbury too. He missed on some 35+ guys after winning the SEC. It kills your program. Howland has three gigantic misses right now. Newman, Kegler and Herard.

  12. #12
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Location
    Gold, Mississippi
    Posts
    26,385
    vCash
    1094082
    Quote Originally Posted by Dawg-gone-dawgs View Post
    Herard didn?t ditch on Howland. We saw the writing on the wall
    However you want to label it he is still a gigantic miss by Howland and it hurts us bad. Not only do you totally miss out on any production you were counting on but you also didn't add any of the other guys in the class you could/would have signed had Herard never came here. Same for Newman same for Kegler. You can not miss on guys you expect to be starters or major contributors especially if you aren't Kentucky/Duke and already have a system in place to bring up the next stud.

  13. #13
    Senior Member Ari Gold's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2016
    Location
    West coast
    Posts
    4,734
    vCash
    3100
    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    Speaking of turnover, is it time for howland to shuffle this staff some?
    One of your better posts..

  14. #14
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2014
    Posts
    19,812
    vCash
    3100
    Quote Originally Posted by Dawg61 View Post
    You can't have misses on center piece guys in basketball. It killed Stansbury too. He missed on some 35+ guys after winning the SEC. It kills your program. Howland has three gigantic misses right now. Newman, Kegler and Herard.
    Yep, star watching gets you nowhere. It did in Stans. It's getting really close to doing in Ben.

  15. #15
    Senior Member maroonmania's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Posts
    19,606
    vCash
    3700
    Quote Originally Posted by Dawg61 View Post
    I'll give you Perry is the replacement for Kegler but the other two aren't replacements for the losses of Newman and Herard. Those two spots haven't been filled/replaced yet. Nick Spoon was always coming here so he's not a replacement for Newman either.
    Please don't put Herard in that he loss category other than what we THOUGHT he would be when we signed him. Dude is raw as a corn cob and will likely be a Senior somewhere before he has any decent contribution to his team. Those that evaluated him in HS, including Howland, just missed royally. For us, it was best to free up his scholarship.

  16. #16
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Location
    Gold, Mississippi
    Posts
    26,385
    vCash
    1094082
    Quote Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg View Post
    Yep, star watching gets you nowhere. It did in Stans. It's getting really close to doing in Ben.
    We want 4-5* basketball players we just don't want the ones that transfer/quit/get kicked off/or suck. Seems like it's a 50/50 or worse gamble on each one. This is another reason I want transfers and foreigners. They seem to be safer bets. Misses kill your program. Find a way to eliminate misses and you'll find a tourney team as long as you aren't signing SWAC players just so they don't transfer.

  17. #17
    Senior Member maroonmania's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Posts
    19,606
    vCash
    3700
    Quote Originally Posted by Leeshouldveflanked View Post
    Brooks not making it to Starkville didn't help matters either....
    Yep, the Brooks situation was the worst possible. We would have been much better off if he had just signed somewhere else initially when we could have replaced him with another quality player. By doing things like he did we ended up with nobody else to go after. Kind of believe Brooks' Mother did it that way on purpose to pour salt in the wound.

  18. #18
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Location
    Gold, Mississippi
    Posts
    26,385
    vCash
    1094082
    Quote Originally Posted by maroonmania View Post
    Please don't put Herard in that he loss category other than what we THOUGHT he would be when we signed him. Dude is raw as a corn cob and will likely be a Senior somewhere before he has any decent contribution to his team. Those that evaluated him in HS, including Howland, just missed royally. For us, it was best to free up his scholarship.
    That is literally the definition of a miss and you can't have any in basketball when they are supposed to be starters/major players. You can miss on the last guy on your bench not on starters/major contributors. Just because Herard ended up being the last guy on the bench doesn't change that he is a major miss. Had we missed on Datcher and Herard was actually as good as advertised we wouldn't feel the effects of Datcher sucking at all. There's the difference.

    Eli Wright is treading the line of being a miss too. Brooks is another miss. Howland is racking up the misses right now and not nailing enough makes.

  19. #19
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2013
    Posts
    12,201
    vCash
    1003200
    What I am saying is that argument is one used against Stans.
    Whistleblower exposes: (FISA), Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts, 156 other judges, members of Congress, and Donald J. Trump were targeted by the HAMMER.

  20. #20
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2014
    Posts
    19,812
    vCash
    3100
    The bottom line is we suck right now, close, which we are, only works in horseshoes and hand grenades.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
Disclaimer: Elitedawgs is a privately owned and operated forum that is managed by alumni of Mississippi State University. This website is in no way affiliated with the Mississippi State University, The Southeastern Conference (SEC) or the National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA). The views and opinions expressed herein are strictly those of the post author and may not reflect the views of other members of this forum or elitedawgs.com. The interactive nature of the elitedawgs.com forums makes it impossible for elitedawgs.com to assume responsibility for any of the content posted at this site. Ideas, thoughts, suggestion, comments, opinions, advice and observations made by participants at elitedawgs.com are not endorsed by elitedawgs.com
Elitedawgs: A Mississippi State Fan Forum, Mississippi State Football, Mississippi State Basketball, Mississippi State Baseball, Mississippi State Athletics. Mississippi State message board.