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05-24-2017, 12:59 PM
#121
Originally Posted by
archdog
Water isn't wet. Water makes you wet.
Exactly! Just like whiskey isn't drunk it just gets you drunk.boobs aren't horny... eh you can take it the rest of the way.
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05-24-2017, 12:59 PM
#122
Originally Posted by
MarketingBully
Now let's beat the Pigs and take their hosting spot. Would be awesome.
I think we need to win at least three more and for the Pigs to go two and bar-b-cue.
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05-24-2017, 12:59 PM
#123
Originally Posted by
Todd4State
Most people consider the SEC to be around AA level.
Based on pro performance, though, it definitely isn't. And guys drafted out of the SEC aren't immediately put into AA, much less AAA.
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05-24-2017, 01:04 PM
#124
Originally Posted by
smootness
Based on pro performance, though, it definitely isn't. And guys drafted out of the SEC aren't immediately put into AA, much less AAA.
That's because rookie ball is sort of like orientation for work. It gets you in the system. Then a lot of teams will limit college guys if they have played a lot in year one- especially pitchers. On top of that most organizations aren't going to wholesale cut their AA guys for the new guys.
Troll on.
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05-24-2017, 01:08 PM
#125
Originally Posted by
louisvilledawg
I tried to look up some stats to refute your claim that Alexander puts it in play most of the time. He K's about 30% of his AB's. Went and looked at Poole's stats... He K's about 35% of his ABs. We are a well-oiled strikeout machine.
In stats that don't matter because i doubt he gets another AB this season, Brant Blaylock has 83 ABs on the season. He has 40 (FORTY) strikeouts. Amazing.
Poole's stats are skewed since he struck out about 80% of the time the last series or so. It seems like Alexander either hits it square at someone or strikes out on a dirt pitch or fastball around the eyeballs.
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05-24-2017, 01:09 PM
#126
Originally Posted by
Coldsleeve Jr.
Stay with me here, but Im beginning to think our pitching depth is an issue
Do you really need more than 6 pitchers on your roster? Seems like anything more is just wasting money on hotel rooms and food.****
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05-24-2017, 01:10 PM
#127
Originally Posted by
Todd4State
I think Rooker is going to be someone that scouts look back on and wonder why they didn't take him higher. I think the disconnect is a lot of scouts see him as an outfielder and really they should look at him as a first baseman.
Good post. Yeah, I see him as a future star in the MLB quite easily. If Holmes goes before Rooker like looks to be projected that just tells you how stupid the system is.
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05-24-2017, 01:11 PM
#128
Originally Posted by
Todd4State
That's because rookie ball is sort of like orientation for work. It gets you in the system. Then a lot of teams will limit college guys if they have played a lot in year one- especially pitchers. On top of that most organizations aren't going to wholesale cut their AA guys for the new guys.
Troll on.
Even elite guys like Swanson, bregman, and benintendi played both levels of A ball and AA. I don't think smoot is trolling at all. Renfroe ops'd at .738 his 2nd shot at AA
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05-24-2017, 01:13 PM
#129
Originally Posted by
RocketDawg
Why does Cannizaro never wear short sleeves?
Because looking directly at his guns causes blindness.
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05-24-2017, 01:21 PM
#130
Fwiw, boomer white was the sec player of year last season and he's ops'n at .552 in A ball with over 250 PAs
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05-24-2017, 01:38 PM
#131
Originally Posted by
Todd4State
That's because rookie ball is sort of like orientation for work. It gets you in the system. Then a lot of teams will limit college guys if they have played a lot in year one- especially pitchers. On top of that most organizations aren't going to wholesale cut their AA guys for the new guys.
Troll on.
It's not a troll. Look at the performance of guys starting out in pro ball from the SEC. Dansby Swanson was taken #1 overall after putting up a 1.046 OPS as a junior. He then OPS'd at .876 in short season A ball and .958 at A+ the next year. Then got promoted to AA and posted a .744 OPS.
There is no evidence that the SEC is equivalent to AA. Otherwise you would see some teams try draftees out in MLB immediately since success in AA usually means you could jump straight to the majors. If Rooker was OPS'ing 1.400 at a level at all equivalent to AA, he'd be an easy top-5 draft pick.
The difference between the SEC and rookie or A ball is that you do see some pitchers that are at a different level, guys like David Price, or Kyle Wright, or Alex Faedo, etc. You aren't going to see a guy that advanced in A ball. But overall, it's pretty equivalent.
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05-24-2017, 02:51 PM
#132
Originally Posted by
smootness
Based on pro performance, though, it definitely isn't. And guys drafted out of the SEC aren't immediately put into AA, much less AAA.
I think it’ more nuanced and case by case
Rooker vs Lange is a legit double AA match-up, maybe higher
Bortles vs Billingsley is rookie league
Kessinger vs Blaylock is MS Class 6A
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05-24-2017, 03:25 PM
#133
Originally Posted by
Todd4State
I think Rooker is going to be someone that scouts look back on and wonder why they didn't take him higher. I think the disconnect is a lot of scouts see him as an outfielder and really they should look at him as a first baseman.
I have a buddy that is a scout for one of the American League organizations and he thinks Rooker is a first rounder. He didn't say they were taking him in the first round but he didn't say the weren't either. Said the talent is there.
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05-24-2017, 03:32 PM
#134
Originally Posted by
The Federalist Engineer
I think it’ more nuanced and case by case
Rooker vs Lange is a legit double AA match-up, maybe higher
Bortles vs Billingsley is rookie league
Kessinger vs Blaylock is MS Class 6A
Yeah, I get that. As I've said, the difference is that the pitching is going to vary more.
But when judging a stat line, which is how the discussion began, past evidence shows that it absolutely is not AAA, definitely isn't AA, and is roughly similar to A-ball, though guys usually have a bit of a dip in stats when starting there as well.
You should expect Rooker to go into A-ball and OPS over 1.000, then move to A+/AA and put up something more like .950. That is still extremely good, so it's not an attempt to throw cold water on him. But it's not as though you can say he would be doing this in the upper levels of the minors.
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05-24-2017, 04:11 PM
#135
Originally Posted by
smootness
It's not a troll. Look at the performance of guys starting out in pro ball from the SEC. Dansby Swanson was taken #1 overall after putting up a 1.046 OPS as a junior. He then OPS'd at .876 in short season A ball and .958 at A+ the next year. Then got promoted to AA and posted a .744 OPS.
There is no evidence that the SEC is equivalent to AA. Otherwise you would see some teams try draftees out in MLB immediately since success in AA usually means you could jump straight to the majors. If Rooker was OPS'ing 1.400 at a level at all equivalent to AA, he'd be an easy top-5 draft pick.
The difference between the SEC and rookie or A ball is that you do see some pitchers that are at a different level, guys like David Price, or Kyle Wright, or Alex Faedo, etc. You aren't going to see a guy that advanced in A ball. But overall, it's pretty equivalent.
You do see that sometimes. See Jacob Lindgren. Is every single player in the SEC a AA player? No. But as far as the league as a whole it's comparable. MSU used to beat the Jackson Mets in exhibition games if you want evidence.
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05-24-2017, 04:12 PM
#136
Originally Posted by
Randolph Dupree
I have a buddy that is a scout for one of the American League organizations and he thinks Rooker is a first rounder. He didn't say they were taking him in the first round but he didn't say the weren't either. Said the talent is there.
I have a feeling he goes in the first round. He's too advanced as a hitter.
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