Why didnt we hire Orgeron???

[Todd4State]

This^... any raise Bammer gives Kiffen reduces the amount USC pays to him...

Potentially one of the most questionable hires (I can recall) may turn out ok after all...

When you think about his price tag, he's actually pretty low risk. Saban was never going to let him act like a spoiled brat. And I know people think he is an asshole for obvious reasons, but Kiffin is a good play caller and can develop QB's pretty well.

Essentially, this is a low risk audition for Kiffin with Saban. I wouldn't be surprised if Kiffin lands another HC job somewhere once his contract with USC expires though.

[FISHDAWG]

I prefer Manny - that's why we didn't hire the Ogre **

[maroonmania]

I think it boiled down to the fact that at the DC position the positives for O were that he has a higher profile name and is a grade A recruiter. For Manny the positives were a better tactician as a DC (certainly as lot more experience in the role) and Mullen felt like he could get a real 3 year minimum commitment out of Diaz this time. I believe Mullen was getting as tired of our DC revolving door as anyone and decided to go with someone he felt comfortable with that wouldn't jump to leave at the first opportunity.

[5 Star]

I'm sure he wanted the DC job, and we weren't willing. LSU has the ability (and location) to get him to come there for a lesser opportunity. I doubt Mullen was going to pay that much for a recruiter, but I agree with you that we would have benefited from his talents, just like we did with Brewster.

[Dawg496]

I think given probably any other year in Mullen's tenure, we might consider O more heavily. But considering that this is our most talented offense ever with a QB like Dak, we need the defense to just not lose the games for us. So it makes sense we went the coaching route vs. recruiting.

I still voted for hiring both, however we could make it happen. We need to pony up and get recruiters like Brewster and O on staff and keep them here for multiple years.

[TUSK]

When you think about his price tag, he's actually pretty low risk. Saban was never going to let him act like a spoiled brat. And I know people think he is an asshole for obvious reasons, but Kiffin is a good play caller and can develop QB's pretty well.

Essentially, this is a low risk audition for Kiffin with Saban. I wouldn't be surprised if Kiffin lands another HC job somewhere once his contract with USC expires though.

Good points, Todd... $700K/yr is pretty cheap when the ROI is taken in to consideration...

[War Machine Dawg]

Sorry. Mulenz ability to work with him.

Is it really so damn hard to add an apostrophe? That was what was called for in your sentence. Mullenz = plural.

[sandwolf]

I know Brewster was known as a good recruiter, but did we actually sign anyone of note because of him? Seems like I remember him initially getting some credit for signing Fred Ross, and then later it came out that Les Koennig was more the reason for us signing him. Then I remember him getting a guy from Memphis (I think he was a slot receiver) to commit for the class of 2014, but we didn't wind up taking him. And it seems like he also may have been the one that led the charge with Robert Washington and a couple of his teammates committing really early, but none of those guys wound up signing.

I was just curious because the guy was on staff for less than a year and while I do remember him making a good bit of noise, I can't remember him actually accomplishing anything of note on the recruiting trail, yet I often see people talk about how much we benefited from his talents.

[sandwolf]

And I know people think he is an asshole for obvious reasons, but Kiffin is a good play caller and can develop QB's pretty well.

What he did with Blake Sims last year was nothing short of amazing.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

I know Brewster was known as a good recruiter, but did we actually sign anyone of note because of him? Seems like I remember him initially getting some credit for signing Fred Ross, and then later it came out that Les Koennig was more the reason for us signing him. Then I remember him getting a guy from Memphis (I think he was a slot receiver) to commit for the class of 2014, but we didn't wind up taking him. And it seems like he also may have been the one that led the charge with Robert Washington and a couple of his teammates committing really early, but none of those guys wound up signing.

I was just curious because the guy was on staff for less than a year and while I do remember him making a good bit of noise, I can't remember him actually accomplishing anything of note on the recruiting trail, yet I often see people talk about how much we benefited from his talents.

Brewster's greatness was more myth than facts.

[TUSK]

What he did with Blake Sims last year was nothing short of amazing.

yup, if Kiffen can rewrite record books with a RB throwing, I feel pretty confident he can do (at least/almost) as well with a QB throwing it... even without #9....

[maroonmania]

I know Brewster was known as a good recruiter, but did we actually sign anyone of note because of him? Seems like I remember him initially getting some credit for signing Fred Ross, and then later it came out that Les Koennig was more the reason for us signing him. Then I remember him getting a guy from Memphis (I think he was a slot receiver) to commit for the class of 2014, but we didn't wind up taking him. And it seems like he also may have been the one that led the charge with Robert Washington and a couple of his teammates committing really early, but none of those guys wound up signing.

I was just curious because the guy was on staff for less than a year and while I do remember him making a good bit of noise, I can't remember him actually accomplishing anything of note on the recruiting trail, yet I often see people talk about how much we benefited from his talents.

I do think, regardless of how many guys he personally signed, that he taught our staff a lot of the tricks of the trade in modern day recruiting. He certainly taught us to identify and get on kids a lot earlier than we were doing before he came on staff.

[EAVdog]

I anticipate the LSU situation to be utter chaos this year. I don't see how Ogeron can fit into the mix without getting either his feelings hurt or the big head and the other Defensive staff having their feelings hurt. Way too many cooks in the kitchen. Ogeron ins't going to take any blame for Kevin Steele's mess. Assuming there will be on, which having seen Steele's last tenure at DC is a pretty safe bet.

[Behrdawg]

It's easy to recruit when you aggressively "play the game".

[sandwolf]

Brewster's greatness was more myth than facts.

That's kind of what I thought.

[1bigdawg]

I still voted for hiring both, however we could make it happen. We need to pony up and get recruiters like Brewster and O on staff and keep them here for multiple years.

This is the key and may be why we did not try to get Orgeron in the DL/AHC/RC post; we were not confident he would stay long enough to make a difference.

[1bigdawg]

One thing to like about Orgeron: I believe he will negative recruit against TSUN.